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Dual-Core CPU Opens Door To 1080p On Smartphones

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the you'll-need-retina-display-mk2 dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Following Qualcomm, Samsung is also close to launching a new smartphone processor with two cores. Based on ARM architecture, the new Orion processor promises five times the graphics performance of current chips and to enable 1080p video recording and playback. Next year, it seems, dual-core smart phones will be all the rage. Apple, which is generally believed to have the most capable processor in the market today, may be under pressure to roll out a dual-core iPhone next year as well."

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Okay then (5, Interesting)

Jbcarpen (883850) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505768)

My parallel programming professor likes to harp on the fact that nearly all new computers in the future will be multicore. Apparently he's right.

Re:Okay then (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505854)

Isn't that future pretty much here already? If I look at the offerings from the local pc supply place, even the lowliest 50 buck cpu's come with 2 cores.

Re:Okay then (1)

Jbcarpen (883850) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505936)

It's not yet present in embedded devices, which he thinks it will be. And smartphones were one of the few places in normal computing where it used to still be single cores.

Re:Okay then (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506000)

"My parallel programming professor likes to harp on the fact that nearly all new computers in the future will be multicore."

The future is now then, that's not much of a prediction.

hm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505772)

Because that's really necessary what with that 3.5 inch screen and all....

Re:hm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505850)

It's not essential to see all the pixels, but when you have 1080p material and a phone, wouldn't it be good if the latter could play the former?

Likewise for recording: the resulting material can be viewed on other, larger screens.

Re:hm (1, Redundant)

hvm2hvm (1208954) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506016)

And maybe played by the phone itself? I know, it's a craaaazy idea but some people might actually want that...

Apple? (1, Troll)

exallon (1653007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505780)

Since when have iPhone been about following the trend? They are completely relying on their fanboys/girls running iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii when they release something. Don't expect an iPhone dual core the next 2-3 years.

Re:Apple? (2, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505932)

Who needs multiple cores when multi-tasking has been decreed irrelevant?

Or did I miss an update where multitasking was invented and gifted to the world by Apple?

Re:Apple? (1)

aiht (1017790) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505968)

Who needs multiple cores when multi-tasking has been decreed irrelevant?

Or did I miss an update where multitasking was invented and gifted to the world by Apple?

Yep, apparently [apple.com] (well, kind of [pcworld.com] ).

Re:Apple? (4, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506044)

"Since when have iPhone been about following the trend?"

True, seems like they've been setting the pace. Touchscreen phones were pretty much non-existent outside of the Palm and a few Windows Mobile 6 phones until the iPhone came out, and even those phones were highly dependent on a stylus, iPhone was the first touchscreen without a stylus. Ever since the original iPhone everyone's been playing catch-up, and while others offer faster cpus and more megapixels, no one offers the 200,000+ apps or the huge fan based and the chance to be a millionaire app developer. [techradar.com] In fact some of the largest Android game developers have boycott the Android Market. [androidandme.com] Do I care if the camera is 3mp or 5mp? No. Do I care if the phone offers the apps I want? Of course, these aren't just phones anymore, they're pocket PCs

Re:Apple? (4, Insightful)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506208)

So what you're saying is that you want to pay your hard earned money for a PC that the developers will actively seek to prevent you from gaining root access on, who's apps can only come from one place (if those android game devs were deveoping on apple's platform they'd be SOL. On android they're free to set up their own market, distribute without a marketplace app or use one of the other marketplaces that already exists). And I've certainly heard enough horror stories about the review process to turn me off from ever trying to sell anything on the iphone.

Enlighten me please (2, Insightful)

scsirob (246572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505790)

I have a hard time understanding how 1080p is such a great feature on screens 4" or smaller in diameter.
Most if not all have less pixels than 1920x1080, so how would this produce a better picture than 720p?

Re:Enlighten me please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505800)

It's called TV Out my friend.

Re:Enlighten me please (5, Informative)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505802)

It seems they are talking about recording 1080p, not viewing 1080p. You don't have to view your recorded videos on the phone.

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505862)

It seems they are talking about recording 1080p, not viewing 1080p. You don't have to view your recorded videos on the phone.

it would be nice to be able to play it back onto a hooked up TV straight after taking it... that still requires the device be able to playback 1080p, which is far easier than encoding it...

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

GNious (953874) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506070)

Don't most modern TVs have USB port(s) and h.264 decoders? Why would you need your phone to do the decoding?!?

Re:Enlighten me please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506190)

When TVs and Bluray players adopt on a universal streaming method over USB, then we can talk about that. That will never happen, so it's HDMI out. Using the phone as a dumb storage device isn't enough when the goal is to playback anything, from music to YouTube to games to personal video and to apps. The premise is to act as a miniature PC would.

Re:Enlighten me please (4, Insightful)

jrumney (197329) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505914)

A crap cellphone lens is still just as crappy at 1080p as at 720p, in fact the higher resolution is more likely to enhance the flaws than at a lower resolution. 1080p on a cellphone is nothing more than a sales gimmick, just as 20Mpx on a compact camera is (or 5Mpx on a cellphone camera).

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

readthemall (1531267) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505952)

Yes, and add to this the battery that would be needed to power the dual-core processor ... Such batteries exist and are used widely in video and photo cameras, they just are big and not suitable for the slim smartphones.

I wonder when will come the day when we wold discuss a super-giga-mega-powered phone and somebody will say "imagine a Beowulf cluster of these".

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506128)

Why? Current phones' sensors have a much higher resolution than 720p, so they can use the extra detail to achieve lossless digital zoom. For example, the Nokia N8 can zoom "up to 3x" without interpolating pixels with this technique.

What's wrong with using this pixel abundance to shoot 1080p instead? There would still be enough pixels to allow for noise reduction.

Re:Enlighten me please (2, Insightful)

SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506172)

How does lossless digital zoom compensate for lens quality? As for noise reduction, wouldn't a lower resolution sensor of the same physical size be better than an algorithm?

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506220)

1080p on a cellphone is nothing more than a sales gimmick

It's irritatingly commendable that cellphone makers must create a market at 5 inch resolutions that doesn't even exist at 4 to 7 times that size for living room enjoyment.

Where the hell is our overdue 1080p on sub-40-inch TVs? The industry is holding out at the low end: If it wasn't for this 3D LCD fad, we'd sooner be seeing 20 inch TV's finally get 1080p so they, and classroom slide projectors can finally catch up to 15-year old desktop resolutions.

Re:Enlighten me please (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506010)

1. Why can't my HD camcorder play games?
2. Streaming things from a phone is weird. Why, with full DRM, and online stores, wouldn't it make more sense for a token to be present in your account which enables streaming to multiple devices from the source and/or downloading for when on the go?

2a. Why would someone who keeps HD content on a phone and wishes to watch it on a TV have a problem with internet connectivity?
2b. The only really good use case I can think of is people using their phone a replacement for those DVD/BD binders. For all those times I just had to take my HD movie collection with me and jack into someone else's HD TV. So pretty much not most hotels, airplanes, bus, etc, and maybe the people I'm going to visit.

3?
I can completely understand the desire to stream stuff from a phone, just because you'll have something there eventually, and want to share it with others on a bigger screen, pics, movie, music, etc. BUT, HD content is going to waste so much space uselessly until you get to that HDTV. Your own will more than likely have better things to keep the media on in your own home, like a PC, PS3, XBox, the freaking disc, etc. So.. other people's HDTV. I don't get it.

Re:Enlighten me please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506200)

Not just this, but id be happy to have the ability to OUTPUT blueray ripps direct to a TV from my phone. Go over to watch a move with a friend and all you need is your phone.

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

niftydude (1745144) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505804)

The key word is *recording*. Shoot 1080p on your phone - stream it to the nearest hd projector or tv.

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506112)

While my Rolleiflex may have a $600 lens, cell phone cameras do not. They have a 30c piece of plastic and/or film over a very basic lens. As others have mentioned, there is no point in 1080p recording because the optics are terrible.

Re:Enlighten me please (2, Interesting)

dsanarco (1817934) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505806)

1080p on a smart phone screen is overkill, but it can output over hdmi to a screen capable of displaying 1080p

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

Wingman 5 (551897) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505812)

The advantage is your phone can have a HDMI out (there is even a mini spec to fit on a small device like a phone) to play at 1080p on your big screen.

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506102)

What good is a delicate tiny miniaturized HDMI connector with a great stiff heavy hulking cable attached to it?

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505816)

DNLA playback [wikipedia.org] is what is important, here. Now you can store - and play back (wirelessly, if the phone is so equipped) - HD video from your phone. That's what you need the resolution for. External display playback.

Re:Enlighten me please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506040)

DNLA playback is what is important, here. Now you can store - and play back (wirelessly, if the phone is so equipped) - HD video from your phone. That's what you need the resolution for. External display playback.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how will that content make it onto the phone? It's not like current mobile bandwidth plans allow for streaming (of any kind, forget about HD), nor do current phones have the ability to store 20GB movies. And remind me again, how many phones come equipped with 802.11n?

No, what this will most likely be used for is contentless Powerpoint presentations. For the "ooh, flashy!" crowd that, when you mention form over function, either ask "what function?" or just give you a blank stare.

Re:Enlighten me please (4, Informative)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505964)

I have a hard time understanding how 1080p is such a great feature on screens 4" or smaller in diameter.

The feature is important for 1080p output, combined with HDMI makes a phone compatible with most projectors, LCD/LED TV's and modern monitors. I can easily see myself walking in and displaying a video or presentation stored on my phone. Ideal for impromptu sales pitches or just bringing a movie over to a friends place.

Re:Enlighten me please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505970)

Maybe this is the first step to glasses that double as HUDs! Smaller chips = not having to become a gargoyle like in Snow Crash!

Re:Enlighten me please (4, Funny)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506032)

I have a hard time understanding how 1080p is such a great feature on screens 4" or smaller in diameter.

You raise an interesting question, that which will likely be the next big paradigm in smart phones. Circular screens.

Re:Enlighten me please (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506144)

it's not a terribly great feature if you've hooked to a regular sized phone screen, but it is after you hook it up to 1080 screen. it's a somewhat good indicator about available memory bandwiths and processor power as well. it is a worthy thing to have on your press release about a new soc if it can do it or not though.

and this new samsung soc design will most definetely find it it's way into systems like next gen apple tv, plenty of samsung tv's and cheapo stb's.

and even with a crappy lens it's still better to record in 1080p if it's possible. and transcoding sucks.

Screw smartphones, how about a new NSLU2 (1)

rubies (962985) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505810)

...with one of those bad boys in it. And an eSata interface. All your home server problems solved!

Re:Screw smartphones, how about a new NSLU2 (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505938)

"Plug computing" ((c) Marvell) is the successor of that direction. There's stuff like this [globalscal...logies.com] hitting the market, though still single-core for now.

Once these new Cortex A9s are more in the wild, I'd expect them to find a home in the wall wart machines as well.

Not dual core. More RAM! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505814)

Now I can watch amazing 1080p on a 4.5" screen. My cinema experience is now complete.

Smart phones don't need dual core. They need more RAM.

App designers are guaranteed certain resources when the application runs on a phone. This is why a single-tasking paradigm was popular, because it simply guaranteed these resources. Multitasking requires sharing of memory. Without swap space enabled, memory may run out quickly. Android has mechanisms for saving a program's state and killing off the least-recently-used application. Recalling the application reloads the saved state information within a fresh process. The iPhone just added multitasking, but not all apps can work with it.

Re:Not dual core. More RAM! (2, Interesting)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505996)

Yep, I have ~400MB available on my Desire (576MB in there total according to the spec sheets), and it's still not enough.

My old Milestone (256MB RAM) was constantly killing off applications in the background because it was running out of RAM, sometimes not even saving the app states properly, causing me to lose my place (doesn't sound too bad, but it gets annoying quickly)... my Desire fares better, but there's still the occasional low memory kill when I have a lot of browser tabs open.

What I want is a gigabyte or two of RAM and swap on SLC NAND... *drools*

Killer feature. (3, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505818)

And by killer, I mean battery killer.

I think smartphones need to go back to basics. I'd take a smartphone that lasted 4 days of normal use on a single charge anytime over a new one that does shit I don't really need anyway 10% (or even 30%) faster.

Once they've got battery life back under control, get back on performance.

Re:Killer feature. (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505874)

Fine. So you're a member of the 1% of all cellphone users that doesn't regularly connect their phone to their TV to watch HD movies.

Maybe you should try joining the rest of us in the 21st century, with chargers at home, at the office and in our cars!

Re:Killer feature. (1)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505956)

you're a member of the 1% of all cellphone users that doesn't regularly connect their phone to their TV to watch HD movies

Did you mistype, or are you really claiming that 99% of all cellphone users regularly connect their phone to their TV to watch TV?

Or is this a "whoooooosh" moment for me?

Re:Killer feature. (2, Interesting)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506114)

Certainly a woosh.

OTOH, when I bought my Evo, I read plenty about the poor battery performance. Not a big deal, I thought, as I didn't buy it because I make a lot of calls, and figured that I would have some buffer to work with because so.

Unfortunately, what I didn't necessarily predict, is that I would be using wifi tethering as much as I do. This eats up battery pretty quickly. I bring my netbook to all sorts of places so that I am not tied down with school, and can work on and turn in assignments even when on a fishing trip in Wyoming.

The consequence is that I now bring my USB cable damn near everywhere I go. It is pretty compact and fits in a thigh pocket without issue, but it does give me a sense of still being wired even though I'm not supposed to be. My brother, who also got an Evo after seeing mine (he's an early 20's iThing convert), opted for the macho aftermarket battery for $60 and I have to say, I think I'd like the same. What I'd really like to get, however, is a decent solar charging backup battery I can clip on my backpack so that I always have some extra juice when I need it. And after searching around for the right answer, I've concluded that everything is either a cheapo solution that won't last, or is still quite overpriced.

Ultimately, I always have my portable jump-start/air compressor/radio/roadside hazard light battery thingy that has a USB port to rely on.

Re:Killer feature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505974)

Fine. So you're a member of the 0.01% of all cellphone users that does regularly connect their phone to their TV to watch HD movies.

Re:Killer feature. (4, Interesting)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505880)

Not necessarily; some tests by ARM/Symbian/Nokia strongly suggest that a n-core chip of x frequency is a good way to get considerable energy savings over a singlecore chip of n*x frequency. Of course whether or not it would be used that way is another thing...

Re:Killer feature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505890)

I overclock my original Droid to 1100Mhz, but it lasts me about 2 days. Of course, I take a lot more control of every little feature and tune it to my specific needs, whereas most people aren't going to have that. But If we could get better batteries, this wouldn't be a problem. When are we going to get better batteries for our phones?

Re:Killer feature. (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505892)

p>I think smartphones need to go back to basics.

So you want a basic cellphone then? :P

Re:Killer feature. (4, Informative)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506024)

Battery life is fine if you keep the screen off. I get a standby power draw of roughly 5mA on average on my Desire. That works out to about 280h of standby time, and that's with a bunch of always-connected applications (Google Sync always active, an IM client, SIP client) in the background, and WiFi and Bluetooth on. Turn all that stuff off and I get values more around 3mA... 466h.

Obviously a screen that draws almost 100x as much (seriously, at full power the AMOLED screen draws close to 300mA!) is going to kill off the battery very quickly.

In comparison, the SoC uses very little power (full CPU load on the Desire's Snapdragon is 40mA higher than idle - tested with SetCPU's stress test) and scales very well with load. If you really want to increase use time, build more efficient screens... fuck the processor.

Re:Killer feature. (3, Interesting)

fnj (64210) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506124)

Wow, I want these new cellphone chips in notebooks and network attached devices! They are far ahead of the watt sucking crap from Intel and AMD.

Re:Killer feature. (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506214)

Well, they ARE already partially available in NAS type devices. As a matter of fact, the cheapo Buffalo LinkStation Lite I have sitting out in the hall runs on an ARM chip of some sort, IIRC...

Smartbooks and tablets are starting to run on ARM as well. Shouldn't be too long until your wishes are granted ;)

Re:Killer feature. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506140)

What he said, with the exception of "smart".

I want something like what Nokia 1100 was. Just a basic cell phone with two weeks battery life, not expensive, perfect for calling people. So easy that even my great-grandmother could use it. And if you lost it, you just bought new one for 25 euros.

Should really be called "half-battery-life" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505820)

There's no reason to be doing anything CPU intensive on a phone, this is just a waste of power.

Re:Should really be called "half-battery-life" (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505884)

There are reasons for doing cpu intensive things (even if not particulary 1080p video) in a portable device of the size of a phone that you carry as much as your phone. But you are right that battery is a problem. Something that should have hopely days of autonomy could have a few hours using a powerful cpu, apps that take advantage of it, and a big, bright and colorful touchscreen unless using a high capacity battery. Before adding even more power hungry capabilities to phones some optimization on the power part should be done

Re:Should really be called "half-battery-life" (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505896)

What is considered CPU-intensive? I'm sure people could say the same about netbooks, but I develop 10MP raw images on mine. Works just fine, but a little slow.

Not like qualcomm this has a proper gpu (1)

Dr Max (1696200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505826)

Dual core 1 ghz chip with 1080p graphics, I’m pretty sure they followed NVIDIA and the tegra 2. By followed I mean they took a tegra 2 told NVIDIA they were going to make tegra 2 Samsung phones, but instead dumped them a few months latter. Only now to come out with a very similar chip but coincidently fixed a few of the tegra problems (bigger memory cache).

Nokia also uses ARM 11 (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505860)

"Apple, which is generally believed to have the most capable processor in the market today"

Huh? I thought Apple used the same processor, ARM 11, as Nokia.

Re:Nokia also uses ARM 11 (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505894)

Huh? I thought Apple used the same processor, ARM 11, as Nokia.

Apple sticker hides second CPU core.

Re:Nokia also uses ARM 11 (3, Informative)

Slur (61510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505906)

iPhone 4, iPod Touch gen.4, iPad, and Apple TV gen.2 all use the Apple A4 processor, which is an ARM+GPU manufactured by Samsung.

Yes but the tech press loves Apple (2, Funny)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505910)

If you haven't noticed, everything Apple does is always "brilliant" and "innovative" according to the tech press. Doesn't matter if they are releasing something that is the same as everything else. For example the Apple TV gets praise lavished on it as an amazing on-demand streaming device, even though nearly every Blu-ray player with an ethernet port also does streaming and, of course, plays DVDs and Blu-rays on top of that.

For that matter, it might even be Apple PR copied verbatim. It is amazing how many press agencies will just reprint PR copy that the like. A PR firm will send out the "OMG t3h new stuffs!" memo, as PR firms do, and sites will pick it up and regurgitate a good bit of it verbatim.

Re:Yes but the tech press loves Apple (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505992)

For that matter, it might even be Apple PR copied verbatim. It is amazing how many press agencies will just reprint PR copy that the like. A PR firm will send out the "OMG t3h new stuffs!" memo, as PR firms do, and sites will pick it up and regurgitate a good bit of it verbatim.

After that Apple will write benchmark for Anandtech who will publish it without question.

I instantly know when I hear things like "Snappier", "User Experience", "Superior UI" and "responsive/ness" that the poster has absolutely no clue and is just regurgitating Apple marketing.

Re:Yes but the tech press loves Apple (1)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506142)

Totally OT, but I remember visiting Anandtech when the kid was still in high school and thinking, wow, what a bright young dude. The last time I was there, however, it seems as though it's nothing but a bunch of what you just mentioned.

Sorry, though, I don't even have a lawn.

Re:Yes but the tech press loves Apple (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506176)

Totally OT,

Probably a bit but I've never seen one of his tests replicated. Plus he tends to leave out a lot of factors (such as the starting and ending dBm for the "Death Grip" tests he did).

Sorry, though, I don't even have a lawn.

I used to, then the housemate killed it (lawns do use a lot of water and need a lot of maintenance). However if it makes you feel better you can get off my woodchips.

but iphone cant even run 2 apps at the same time (0, Troll)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505876)

Apple... [blah blah] dual-core iPhone

so what's the other core gonna doing...?

Re:but iphone cant even run 2 apps at the same tim (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505922)

Maintain the Reality Distortion Field.

The most capable mobile processor (4, Informative)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505886)

Apple, which is generally believed to have the most capable processor in the market today, may be under pressure to roll out a dual-core iPhone next year as well.

This is silly. Apple is using Samsung's processor, an OEM version of the Hummingbird (which is not exclusively sold to Apple by any means). So if anyone has "the most capable [mobile] processor in the market today" (and even that statement could be debated), it's Samsung (certainly not Apple).

Re:The most capable mobile processor (0)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505972)

Not really, according to 'kipedia [wikipedia.org] it seems that the actual core is the same BUT the A4 chip also contains an integrated GPU which seems to save a lot of power, again at least according to the article. While the core isn't exclusive, the "CPU" is.

Re:The most capable mobile processor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505984)

The same SGX GPU that's in Samsung's stock ARM SoCs...

Re:The most capable mobile processor (4, Informative)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506082)

A4 has a PowerVR SGX535 GPU, which can push 28 million triangles/sec whilst the Galaxy S has a PowerVR SGX540 GPU that pushes 90 million triangles/sec.

http://bit.ly/bM3JeK [bit.ly] note: the article lists iPhone 3gs at 7 million triangles/sec with 28m deleted, but IIRC it's actually the other way around. (7m rumoured, but it was actually 28m)

Re:The most capable mobile processor (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506170)

heheheh.

distortion field - the gpu isn't apples, neither are any part on the soc they call A4. it's just a marketing diversion. a more truthful way would be to say that it's apples codename for the chip they're currently buying. much like g4 was a marketing term attached to some cpu's apple bought from elsewhere earlier, it didn't make them apple designed cpu's.

there's other "but"'s that could be attached to it, but none of them really change the fact that anyone with cash could order chips pretty much exactly like apples batch of a4's, straight from sammy.

fabbing is the hard part anyways.

Samsung has a better processor than Apple (1)

Boycott BMG (1147385) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505948)

Apple, which is generally believed to have the most capable processor in the market today

The processor in the Galaxy S line of phones (Samsung Captivate, Vibrant, Epic 4G, whatever Verizon wants to call theirs) is basically a newer version of the one in the iPhone 4. It has the same CPU (1GHz ARM Cortex A8) and a better GPU (PowerVR SGX 535 vs 540).

OLD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33505954)

Dual cores have been used by Qualcomm based phones for at least 3 years now.

Tablet/Dock (1)

HRbnjR (12398) | more than 3 years ago | (#33505978)

I want one of these, with the ability to: 1) Connect it to a Mouse/Keyboard/Monitor to act as a desktop via HDMI/USB/Bluetooth/whatever. 2) Dock it into a 10" touchscreen to act as a tablet.

Where to get data from + Re:Tablet/Dock (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506130)

Well, a 10" touchscreen is not the point. The point is that you want to connect it to ANY 45" TV via a hdmi link. You got to have a little bit of imagination there. couple it to a blue tooth mouse and aBT keyboard and a power adapter and youhave a mobile work station.

However if you want to use it for media player, the market speaks forgets that not every 1080p is equal. The main problem is: how to get data INTO the phone. a HD blueray iamge is 40GB. With current SD card storage you can load one of such 1080p movie and the mobile device is full? A NAS is not the solution because streaming 1080p content over wireless is pushing all limits.

In other words: tell what bitrate 1080p content is supported. It is easy to get 24fps 1080p with black screens, but with fast moving action a lot of platforms are stretched.

Given the restrictions ... (1)

2Bits (167227) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506026)

...on the phone by the manufacturers and carriers, what's the whole point of having that much power? Recording and watching 1080p video? Pfft....the lack of imagination is pathetic. I have a tons of apps that I'd like to work on, if the phone platform is as open as the PC platform. Laptops just don't have the mobility and form/shape required for a ubiquitous interaction.

I just wish there are more manufacturers put out more high-end mobility devices for the MeeGo platform. Can't wait to get my hand on the N900's successor.

Misplaced Priorities (1)

jgdobak (119142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506054)

We're all worried about smartphone CPUs that can decode 1080p video when none of them have screens that can display it.

Stop and think about it for a minute.

Marketspeak has totally infiltrated discussion about display resolutions and I am branded as an idiot when I bring up that 720p involves a lot more than 720 vertical pixels, and that progressive scan doesn't mean shit on LCDs to begin with.

I would love to be proven wrong here, but I have no idea why progressive v. interlaced is even brought up anymore. It's an artifact of the CRT age of displays and needs to die. I had a look at the Wikipedia page on display resolutions the other day and it listed 230*200 and similar as "interlaced" and others as "progressive." It makes no sense anymore. Let it die.

Why? (0)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506060)

Apple, which is generally believed to have the most capable processor in the market today, may be under pressure to roll out a dual-core iPhone next year as well."

Apple has never been about tech specs lists, they're about the quality of their implementations.

They're using a 800 MHz processor in their latest and greatest phone, and they previous model ran fine with 256 MB RAM. I've never seen anybody lamenting the iPhone's performance (well, at least as long as it runs the same firmware version it shipped with).

They will not be "under pressure" to use a dual core CPU next year, it will just be a natural choice by then.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33506108)

SILENCE! A fanboy has spoken.

Re:Why? (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506236)

You mean a Apple fanboy? Funny, because I just meant to say that Apple's products don't do much, but what they do, they do it well. Which I think is a pretty balanced point of view. I think that the original submission is much more fanboyish.

Misleading Headline? (5, Informative)

GaneshAnandTech (1896204) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506090)

Unfortunately, the dual core CPU has got almost nothing to do with the 1080p encode or decode. These are handled by dedicated IPs (pre-designed blocks which are slotted into the chip) from companies like Imagination Technologies and Chips & Media. They would work as well with an single core Cortex-A8 as they do with the Cortex-A9.

It's also about maths (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506100)

1920x1080 pixels x24 bit depth x30 fps ~= 1.4Gbps [wikipedia.org] .
I wonder whether multiple cores are enough or you maybe need something like DMA [wikipedia.org] or a data crossbar [wikipedia.org] into the hw architecture as well as whether the current SD cards can cope at that pace ...

Re:It's also about maths (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506146)

There are "high speed SD cards" that some camcorders need

Re:It's also about maths (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506152)

Of course what I missed is your assumption that they are storing uncompressed 1080p on the card. Nobody does that, it would be compressed greatly by H.264 or a similar codec.

Re:It's also about maths (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506182)

Not storing ... transfering from the CCD to the compression engine.
Compression, I understand, is mandatory for storage because of external memory bandwidth constraints ...

Re:It's also about maths (1)

peppepz (1311345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506178)

Nobody but the camera module would see that stream *uncompressed*. Just handling it would probably kill a Core i7, let alone h264-compressing it on the fly.

The original Nintendo DS has a 2 core CPU (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506226)

The original Nintendo DS has a dual core ARM CPU. Why is it such a big deal in a smartphone that costs several times as much more than five years later?

HTC Tilt 2 ? (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | more than 3 years ago | (#33506232)

I'm not entirely certain, but I thought that the HTC Tilt 2 (AT&T and others) had two processors. Granted, one was for the phone subsystem, and the other for the OS, but still. Maybe someone can elaborate.

Either way, I've been thinking we need to add more processing power to phones for a long time. They are way too slow for the things we want to be able to do with them. But, the offset is the battery life. :(

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