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HOLY CRAP!! (2, Insightful)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510666)

I mean, really, WOW!

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (2, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510876)

I mean, really, WOW!

It's not as surprising as that. In fact, I would not call it much of a surprise at all.
Probably the same can be said for MySpace and any other "social" site - they appeal to some mix of the insecure (such as teenagers) and the narcissistic (a particular kind of sociopath, often an adult). I had a FaceBook account for a short while, then saw what other people were doing there (people I know), and decided not to be a part of the vacuous trumpeting that substitutes for interaction. My FaceBook account was zombified quite a while ago - all its content deleted.

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510956)

*woosh*

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (5, Interesting)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510902)

They're extrapolating too far outside the sample. The sample was 100 university students. They don't adequately represent the population that uses Facebook. Plus, we have no idea how they ranked the narcissism and self-esteem listed in TFA. If narcissism was determined by how much you tell other people about what you do, of course people using Facebook would rank highly on that scale.

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (3, Interesting)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511236)

Based on the number of friends I have, and the number of announcements of "hey join me at farm wars" Vs. "hai Im in ur survey you can haz cheezburger" Vs. "L@@K at me, L@@K what I did 11!111!!!" I'd say that the survey is fairly accurate. Taking that further to the couple people I *know* to have low self esteem and the one true narcissist I know, and how much time they spend on FB, yeah I think the survey is spot on.
-nB

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (4, Informative)

Yaztromo (655250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511474)

Plus, we have no idea how they ranked the narcissism and self-esteem listed in TFA.

You just need to find a better article [thestar.com]:

The more prolific the Facebook activity, the lower they rated on the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale and the higher in the Narcissism Personality Inventory.

Or from the published research itself [liebertonline.com]:

After agreeing to participate in this research study, Facebook owners were administered a brief four-part questionnaire. The first section required demographic information, including the participant's age and gender. The second section addressed Facebook activity; it required respondents to indicate the number of times they check their Facebook page per day and the time spent on Facebook per session. The remaining sections assessed two psychological constructs: self-esteem and narcissism.

The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale was used to measure participant self-esteem. This 10-item test measured self-esteem using a 4-point Likert scale, ranging from strongly disagree to strongly agree. Example items include “On the whole, I am satisfied with myself” and “I take a positive attitude toward myself.” The original reliability of this scale is 0.72. This measure has gained acceptable internal consistency and test–retest reliability, as well as convergent and discriminant validity.

Narcissism was assessed using the Narcissism Personality Inventory (NPI)-16. The NPI-16 is a shorter, unidimensional measure of the NPI-40. While the 40-item measure revealed an =0.84, the NPI-16 has an =0.72. Despite this discrepancy, the two measures are correlated at r=0.90 (p

And now you know.

Yaz.

Re:HOLY CRAP!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511308)

Anonymous Coward: likes this!

Work from home (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510668)

Or people that work from home and wouldn't otherwise see the light of day!

...what ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510694)

They needed a fucking study to see that ?

Re:...what ? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511004)

It's called the scientific method. Maybe you've heard of it. It requires you to not believe something just because everyone knows it.

Re:...what ? (2, Interesting)

Zeek40 (1017978) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511042)

In related news, a three year long Canadian study that recently concluded has revealed that snow is cold and water is wet.

Re:...what ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511374)

In meta-related news, a 28-year taxpayer funded study concluded that studies typically conclude things that are known prior to the study.

Re:...what ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511258)

Sure they do. The sort of people that do this type of study are also narcissists, and use bloody-fucking-obvious "research" to promote themselves, and make themselves seem important.

Re:...what ? (5, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511532)

They needed a fucking study to see that ?

If they said it without a study we'd have a bunch of "[citation please]" followed by sarcastic comments that a few anecdotes are meaningless, and how they happen know a bunch of humble self-assured people who use facebook a lot too.

So yes, they needed a fucking study. Its how we separate truth from truthiness. Science at work. Just because it confirms what most people might beleive is true doesn't make it unworthy of study. Sometimes looking into things that most people believe is true has surprising results.

Among others... (4, Insightful)

divisionbyzero (300681) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510696)

No doubt they do. And they are probably among millions of others who go there to keep connected with friends that they wouldn't otherwise be able to. Vain people look in mirrors a lot. Does that mean only people who are vain own mirrors? What a ridiculous study.

Re:Among others... (0, Troll)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510826)

the reply you're looking for is: "correlation does not imply causation", and fairly obvious.

not looking good today canadian theorists.

Re:Among others... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510846)

You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.

Re:Among others... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511196)

Canadian study shows that dumb asses use google to look up items they know nothing about.

Re:Among others... (1)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511516)

Baloney. I'm a narcissist, but I'm not a frequent user of Facebook. In fact, the only reason I use Facebook at all is that it prevents ISPs from automatically filtering as spam the frequent emails I used to send to each of my 2,351,672 female admirers with photographs of me engaged in my latest adventure, and the regular helpful advice I send to my 14,843,590 less fortunate male friends about how to improve their physique or... ahem... performance... to more closely resemble my own and benefit their flagging social lives.

Oh, and as it happens, I DO have one eye in the mirror as I watch myself go by.

Re:Among others... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510872)

RTFA. "The study doesn't go so far as to say that all heavy users of Facebook are narcissists or people with very low self-esteem"

Yeah, I know, this is slashdot and knee-jerk reactions deliver guaranteed karma.

Re:Among others... (4, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511130)

RTFA. "The study doesn't go so far as to say that all heavy users of Facebook are narcissists or people with very low self-esteem"

"In fact," the researchers added, "we have reason to suspect that as many as a dozen FaceBook users are well-adjusted, mentally healthy, members of society."

Re:Among others... (1)

bouldin (828821) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510900)

The article claims narcissists and people with low self-esteem are heavy users of facebook, it doesn't say they are the only users of facebook.

This drags down facebook, because narcissists are not very interesting.

You're kidding me... (2, Funny)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510702)

You mean these people who used to (I deactivated my facebook account long ago) annoy the arse out of me with their childrens every bowel movement and that their workout was great are narcissists? And just want attention? I sense a book on facebook addiction and overcoming it coming out soon.

Re:You're kidding me... (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510888)

...and here I was thinking they were all using Twitter for all that. Nothing makes you feel more important then tweeting to the world that you are driving to work, I mean everyone cares and takes the time about your mundane day to day tasks..... right? After all, Twitter is all about you, you, and you. For the insecure, nothing makes you feel more wanted then being able to follow celebrities... like Joy Behar.

Re:You're kidding me... (1)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511066)

Just wanted to add that while I was vacationing in Maui a few weeks ago (please see the pictures), I drank a coffee.. Yum. I'm going to quote some lyrics:

"The sun so bright it leaves no shadows, only scars, carved into stone on the face of the earth."

I like cameras and coffee and pens.

I joined the group, "Lost is retarded."

I just added Radiohead to my list of Likes.

Here's my new picture. It's me with the Dolphin cheerleaders. Yes, that's me.

Here's me at Hard Rock. I'm too cool for Hard Rock. I'm too cool for Hard Rock though, so I have an appropriately bored expression.

I like U2.

Time for the followup (3, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510704)

I can't wait to hear what they have to say about Slashdot.

Re:Time for the followup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510778)

We're wise-asses, know-it-alls, and the socially inept.

Re:Time for the followup (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510864)

Whom regularly engage in psuedo-intellectual dialogs.

Re:Time for the followup (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511192)

Whom regularly engage in psuedo-intellectual dialogs.

_Who_ regularly engage in psuedo-intellectual dialogs :-)

Re:Time for the followup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511094)

Anonymous, Insecure cowards flock to slashdot.

Re:Time for the followup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511234)

basement dwellers?

Crap... (2, Funny)

PmanAce (1679902) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510710)

I'm a narcissistic low self-esteemer then, but not at the New Jersey Guido level though, I do not glow orange yet...

Shameless promoters? (4, Interesting)

Haffner (1349071) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510712)

Most of my friends that are still active facebookers tend to use it for business means. One amusing direction for facebook would be a bunch of promoters saying "Hey, come to my club, you're cool just for coming!" and narcissists thinking, "Yeah, I should definitely go, it'll make me look cooler!" and in the end, facebook will be win-win-win, where the promoters, the narcissists, and the sane minority all get their way.

Re:Shameless promoters? (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511314)

Heh, one of my FB friends (old highscool classmate) does indeed kinda flog his music-producer business although he does have some non-business posts in the mix.
However, it's natural to expect people to talk about something they're enthusiastic about, financial or not

Re:Shameless promoters? (1)

veganboyjosh (896761) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511404)

in the end, facebook will be win-win-win, where the promoters, the narcissists, and the sane minority all get their way.

You forgot to mention Facebook itself, who sells ads to companies. Ads which don't link people to the company's external website, but to Facebook itself, driving up the cost of ads that it sells to companies...

Little Late (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510714)

This article was posted about a week ago by CNN, and then i'm sure some else already beat them as well.

Re:Little Late (1)

hargrand (1301911) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510998)

The narcissists and insecure people on ./ buried the story so as not to let the truth be known to those of us who only suspected something was amiss.

OTOH (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510716)

One could just as easily say the same about people who publish "studies."

Bullshit Trifecta (1, Insightful)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510718)

Bullshit study by a bullshit outfit ("Cyberpsychology, Behavior, and Social Networking") on a bullshit subject.

Re:Bullshit Trifecta (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510780)

But at least pointing at how pathetic Facebook users are apparently gave their own self esteem a little boost.

"We're into junk science, but at least we can make up statistics about another group so we can point and laugh at SOMEONE for being more pathetic than ourselves!"

Doesn't that describe... (2, Insightful)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510720)

everyone?

Re:Doesn't that describe... (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510820)

Nope, not me! I'm way better than all those silly narcissistic facebookers. Allow me to outline how, with a short, 100-item list...

Re:Doesn't that describe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510830)

Yes. In fact, they just found out that narcissism and low self esteem are qualities that exist (at times) in everybody.

Re:Doesn't that describe... (0, Troll)

M. Kristopeit (1890764) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510894)

i am posting to make you feel less important... thus proving you wrong.

moderators claiming the thelasko was "insightful" are also idiots.

Re:Doesn't that describe... (1)

Mouldy (1322581) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510908)

Not quite. It includes people who love themselves and people who hate themselves. Not people who are "average with themselves". That being said, the average person has 1 testicle and 1 boob, so maybe people who are average with themselves don't actually exist.

Re:Doesn't that describe... (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511306)

It includes people who love themselves and people who hate themselves. Not people who are "average with themselves".

Yes, in my experience, very few people are "averege with themselves".

Although on further examination, being a narcissist doesn't necessarily mean one loves oneself. One can have low self-esteem and be a narcissist as a means of coping.

Perhaps a better description would be self-centered with a low self-esteem.

Re:Doesn't that describe... (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511454)

From Wikipedia:

Level and quality of self-esteem, though correlated, remain distinct. Level-wise, one can exhibit high but fragile self-esteem (as in narcissism) or low but stable self-esteem (as in humility).

So only those with a high and stable self-esteem are not on Facebook.

Re:Doesn't that describe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511484)

I think what you meant to say was "like themselves as a friend"

Re:Doesn't that describe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511520)

Everyone needs a little narcissism, otherwise they'd be someone's doormat.

Right (1, Insightful)

blai (1380673) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510722)

Extroverts get facebook accounts to vent their feelings...
Introverts get facebook to promote self-esteem...

Just conclude that social networking is favoured by social organisms

Re:Right (1)

broeman (638571) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511246)

Exactly. When I saw the title, the first that hit me is that these two characteristics are states of mind, not a whole person. I could be narcissistic one day, and have low self esteem another day (although, wouldn't that also be characterized as a depression? ;). Most people on my FB page are just using it for games, or the occasional funny link they found. Not everybody takes it to the South Park level of commitment.

At Odds With the Study (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510730)

100 people surveyed? Students? Sounds like there might be some sampling concerns there. How many people out of 100 are narcissists? Also, anyone know the reputability of the journal it was published in [liebertpub.com]?

Mehdizadeh went on to say "that's why so many people get paranoid if their boss sees them on Facebook. They're worried that they don't project the same image there that they project in their workplace."

Yeah or you know the reason the rest of us get nervous is the fact that you're not doing work if you're on Facebook. Unless he means 'on Facebook' outside of work and then it's probably closer to the fact that you can't always control what goes on on Facebook unless you don't allow anything on your page. It's for socializing, not working so therein lies the paranoia regardless of whether or not you're a narcissist.

nah (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510732)

the real narcisists have their own vanity domains.

Re:nah (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510896)

I've had my own domain for over ten years and it has nothing to do with narcissism. I just didn't want to have to get a new email address every time I changed ISPs.

And no, I don't advertise here, because I get enough spam as it is, thank you very much.

Flawed study is flawed (4, Interesting)

helixcode123 (514493) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510748)

According to TFA the study sample involved college students. What about other demographic groups? For most of the more "mature" folks I know that use Facebook it's a means of keeping in touch with distant friends, or to maintain a bit of social connection in a life dominated by work and family obligations.

dont forget living in the past (5, Funny)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510760)

I found facebook as a great place to reconnect for the first time with girls that used to be pretty in high school, clinging to their pregnancy photos as though they were my own children, laughing with them.. printing them out and putting them on my fridge.. It's also a great place to have a decent, private conversation with your best friend's mom without him "getting all weird about this". A place for adults to communicate as they wish. A place for grownups.

Re:dont forget living in the past (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511266)

I smell a new study coming out: "Facebook the network of choice for internet stalkers!"

Bad summary (4, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510768)

"Heaviest users of Facebook are Narcissists, Insecure" is more appropriate title.

Re:Bad summary (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510852)

I read "Heaviest" as in, "weighing the most".

I too feel this is a more appropriate title.

Re:Bad summary (1)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511186)

Not only that, but the article never used the phrase "self promotion" as the Slashdot summary did. Self promotion has business purposes outside of narcissism. And, yes, I have gotten job offers from my Facebook profile (whereas with LinkedIn I get 10x as many but those are just leads).

There is a lot of negative sentiment on Slashdot regarding Facebook, but I find it to be a great way to keep in contact with friends from the past. It's cheaper and more fun than sending 125 Christmas cards as I used to.

Re:Bad summary (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511278)

That's pretty much redundant. Narcissists *are* insecure, requiring constant approval in order to maintain their self-esteem.

Theory? We don't need no stinkin' THEORY! (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510782)

The theory is that these people use the site as a means of self promotion

It's a fact. And look at all the businesses trying to do the same. And they're failing, for one simple reason - the facebook format is not conducive to conversations.

Maybe Ellison can buy them and kill them off.

Re:Theory? We don't need no stinkin' THEORY! (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511048)

Not all businesses who use Facebook for advertising are failing, simply because not all businesses need to communicate with their customers.

Facebook Use Case (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510808)

I'm still trying to figure out the use case for Facebook for me, a geek, with his own web site. I already don't update my own site enough and I really just don't care what people from high school are doing. I've moved on in life and don't have a great need for a popularity contest. The people I want to maintain contact with I still do. What's the use case? I still feel like facebook is a fad, in the same vein of AOL of the 90's and myspace from whenever that was popular.

Re:Facebook Use Case (0, Flamebait)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511068)

Many of us have more than a handful of friends, dozens of family members, and dozens more people that are not close friends from school but ARE people we still care about enough to derive happiness from sharing our lives with, even quite indirectly. Using a 'social' network of any sort -- be it Facebook, AIM, e-mail, IRC, MySpace, ICQ, GChat, Twitter -- is nothing more than an extension of direct communication, and implies that you actually care about being 'social.' If you don't care about being 'social,' instead maintain a personal website as a matter of pretense, and then declare every new communication paradigm that passes you by in life as a 'fad,' then you're in the sad minority of Luddite hermits.

And in other news.... (1, Insightful)

sykobabul (1835784) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510838)

... scientists have discovered that water is wet, air is usually breathable and the sun is hot. :P

Alas (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510842)

Nobody ever wants to see my beautiful face. It's always the same, no matter how wonderfully sculptured by god-like body becomes, everyone just ignores me. If they take my red stapler, I'm going to burn this place down.

Yes. And? (1)

geekzapoppin (829044) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510904)

Facebook is open to anyone and provides people with the easy ability to send out pictures, rants, and messages to a large number of other people at one time. Narcissists can spout diatribes and lists of all of the things in their lives that they think are better than the average person's. Folks with low self-esteem can post about their problems and get almost-immediate support and reassurance. Did it really take a study to figure that out? Now, let me get back to posting a hundred more pictures of my trip to Hawaii. I don't know, though. I think I look fat in them. I don't look fat, do I?

That explains why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510910)

... everyone is on Facebook.

Ironically, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33510942)

People who link this study on Facebook cannot contribute to its findings.

As opposed to... (0)

Srsen (413456) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510948)

the narcissists who have to tell everyone that they don't use Facebook, don't have an iPhone, don't have a TV, whatever. They just want people to think they are cool too.

If all you've got to survey is ... (1)

aGuyNamedJoe (317081) | more than 3 years ago | (#33510974)

If all you've got to survey are college students, everybody is a college student!

I wonder how many of those college students were grandparents, which seem to be a huge subset of my Frenz on FaceBook! (Of course there's probably an even larger group of users who are grandchildren.)

Re:If all you've got to survey is ... (3, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511364)

there's probably an even larger group of users who are grandchildren. Grandchildren who, when trolling for sex on facebook, should probably remember that they have friended their grandparents... (And yes, studies confirm that 100% of facebook users are grandchildren of someone.)

I use it for (1)

alfredo (18243) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511052)

Practicing drunk typing. It's family or friends reading it so they all recognize that uncle Alfredo is drunk again, and pay me no mind

Doesn't jibe with my observation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511132)

It seemed more like Facebook was full of "party people" and salesmen. Even if you didn't fit that category, it seemed to have a way of pulling you down to that level. That's why I tried it for a few months and then said "no way". I had a small enough number of updates to make manual deletion practical, as they were taking actions against the "Web 2.0 suicide machine" at the time, and probably still are.

Keyword "narcissist" a lot more in the news lately (3, Interesting)

cshay (79326) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511218)

In remember when I only heard the word "narcissist" and "narcissism" in the college classroom and in self help books. But in the last 2 years I think its usage has been climbing dramatically. Anyone with Lexus-Nexus access care to check? I think it was a lyric in a few pop songs so maybe that's the cause.....

Sample Size (4, Insightful)

Shin Dig (27213) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511324)

Note, this study had a sample size of 100 college students, possibly self selected (selection criteria wasn't readily presented). It's really dubious to make a generalization on that.

Quick indicators (1)

British (51765) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511430)

If you see people with 1000+ friends, they don't have 1000+ friends to converse & be friends with, that's just 1000+ people they can broadcast to.

If you see someone that adds you as a friend, but never comments on any of your wall posts, you're just another viewer to their wall posts. It may or may not have commercial promotions involved.

If you have someone that adds you as a friend, but doesn't talk to you if you saw them in person, well, that's a mystery to me. Maybe you were interesting to them at one point, but lost your shine & been replaced by other recent adds.

Facebook isn't a tool to meet new people, that's for sure.

So.. that would mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33511460)

All of Canada is on Facebook. Which is actually true. They think Americans are arrogant, self-absorbed, and stupid. Yet they do nothing but use our technology and serve no purpose for any Country other than themselves.

Kettle calls Pot black (3, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511462)

I find it humorous that so many Slashdotters bag on Facebook users, who are apparently self-absorbed. Tell me you don't give a rat's ass how your Slashdot comments are moderated. Tell me you've never looked to see how many people are interested in reading your comments. I know there will always be those who profess to be completely disinterested in their social standing in Slashdot, but methinks the number who actually don't give a damn is smaller than the number who make that claim.

Causality ? (1)

kjshark (312401) | more than 3 years ago | (#33511514)

This isn't just a "study out of Canada". It's a study of Canadian university students. So maybe it's being Canadian and not being on facebook that makes these subjects such mutants. I'll bet it's their national healthcare that does it. Freaky progressives is what they are.

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