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T-Mobile To Begin HTC G2 Preorders

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the but-who-wants-hspa dept.

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cgriffin21 writes "T-Mobile Thursday finally confirmed what it's been hinting at for a while: The HTC G2, T-Mobile's HSPA+ successor to the HTC G1, is on the way. It'll be an Android 2.2 phone and run on T-Mobile's HSPA+ data network, which while not a 4G network offers what T-Mobile is calling 4G-like speeds up to 21 Mbps. T-Mobile hasn't confirmed pricing or exact availability but said it would open the G2 to presales for existing customers at the end of September."

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IDK (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525170)

800Mhz.... or i can wait 2-3 months and get one with 2x1Ghz.....

Re:IDK (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525228)

Or you can wait 6 months at get one with 2x1GHz on a smaller process. You have to give up on waiting and get something eventually.

Re:IDK (1, Insightful)

owlstead (636356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525266)

A smaller process? Unless there are inherent advantages (price, power usage), I don't see how that would influence a buying decision. It's nice for HTC and possibly the manufacturer, but that does not concern me.

Re:IDK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525302)

It's nice for HTC and possibly the manufacturer, but that does not concern me.

Yep. They do it just for themselves. Because they like to work with the tiniest little cutest looking chips. Nothing for the consumer.

When will the hurting stop?

Re:IDK (1)

Osso (840513) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525472)

While we care about the power usage going down, from a customer point of view we don't care if the chip is smaller

Re:IDK (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526478)

chips getting smaller is a benefit for both the manufacturer and the consumer.

that stuff should be basically cheered on, as it's not like in a normal scenario the manufacturer would pass on the benefit as opposed to pocketing it.

still no solution for the magic "$500" price for any unlocked phone.

Re:IDK (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525384)

A smaller process is inherently cheaper and uses less power for the same number of transistors.

Re:IDK (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525412)

It should concern you. A smaller process almost always equates to lower power usage, and in the case of a mobile device, longer battery life. Also, more megahertz doesn't always mean more speed. Early leaked benchmarks show the g2 blowing the nexus one out of the water, even though its clocked at 1ghz.

Re:IDK (3, Insightful)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525676)

Someone commented recently on a different /. article about how the processors aren't necessarily the battery hogs; the displays are the culprits. Judging by the battery usage on my Android handset, I'd agree with that.

Re:IDK (1)

RManning (544016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526470)

It depends a lot on the display. I have a Nexus One which has an OMLED screen and the display uses around 10% of the power for my normal usage. Of course I use it more for phone, texting, and email than display-heavy stuff like games.

Re:IDK (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526626)

I'm waiting till they have a smart-phone with something like the Pixel-Qi or another high efficiency display personally.

Re:IDK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526666)

How do you find an HTC Incredible in airplane mode in a dark room?

Wait for it to restart.

Seriously though, I've owned the Motorola Droid and the HTC Incredible. The screen was always the #1 power consumer on the Droid, it's usually like #4 on the Incredible. OLED is amazing that way.

Re:IDK (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33528680)

The displays aren't the only culprits...the radios also use a ton of juice. The first Android phone I used would go three times as long between charges with 3G turned off. My iPhone lasts significantly longer with WiFi turned off. These effects are magnified further when you're in a contentious environment or an area with particularly low signal since the phone will respond by increasing power to make/keep the connection.

Re:IDK (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525720)

It should concern you. A smaller process almost always equates to lower power usage, and in the case of a mobile device, longer battery life. Also, more megahertz doesn't always mean more speed. Early leaked benchmarks show the g2 blowing the nexus one out of the water, even though its clocked at 1ghz.

is it faster then the new Galaxy? I'm considering Getting this, but if It's can't beat the The galaxy I may as well switch carrier's and get an Epic. Both are 4G-ish, Both have a KB. both are about the pricing plan. only difference to me is the speed.

Re:IDK (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526242)

Early leaked benchmarks show the g2 blowing the nexus one out of the water, even though its clocked at 1ghz.

Link to these benchmarks? Were they testing the g2 with 2.2 against the N1 in it's shipping state (2.1)? Not enough information has been provided to make a good comparison.

Re:IDK (1)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525488)

just in case you don't realize, as you are implying, a smaller process most certainly means lower price and lower power usage...

Re:IDK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525752)

A smaller process implies lower power consumption. Especially if its at the same clock frequency.

G What? Re:IDK (0, Redundant)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526150)

>>> The HTC G2, T-Mobile's HSPA+ successor to the HTC G1,

Is it just me, or other people confused by these G1, G2 numbers? I thought we had already reached the level of G4 networks.
.

>>>Or you can wait 6 months at get one with 2x1GHz on a smaller process.
>>>You have to give up on waiting and get something eventually.

You jest but that's exactly what I'm doing. I need a cellphone with web capability, but I don't need it until 2011 and I know new models of cellphones (with 3 or even 4 inch screens) will be released between now and then, so I'm waiting until the last minute rather than buy a 2 inch phone that will be obsoleted.

Re:G What? Re:IDK (1)

gripped (830310) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526812)

What ?

Re:G What? Re:IDK (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527424)

G1 and G2 are models of HTC phones. 3G and 4G are wireless networks. A G4 is a Mac. What is the confusion exactly?

Re:IDK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526156)

Wow, way to miss the point!

Re:IDK (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527596)

A smaller process? Unless there are inherent advantages (price, power usage)

A smaller process almost always means faster CPU or same speed CPU with lower power requirements and less waste heat.

Re:IDK (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525402)

Or you can wait 6 months at get one with 2x1GHz on a smaller process. You have to give up on waiting and get something eventually.

You mean I can't use my 528 MHz dream forever?

Re:IDK (1)

colinnwn (677715) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525788)

Dreams are less vivid with age.

Re:IDK (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526202)

Even if he gave up on waiting he can get Android handsets now with 1Ghz. I would think if Tmobile wants the G2 to be their flagship phone they would have gone at least on par with the N1.

Re:IDK (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526714)

Pentium 4s had a much faster clock than processors that are generally sold now. Why have we gone backwards in CPU speed on the desktop?

Re:IDK (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528912)

Because those were the days of a super fast and beefy single core CPU. Now that dual and quad cores are common, you don't need to have super fast, super hot running chips anymore. Or, in other words, do the math. Which is better - a single CPU running at 3.5 GHz, or 4 CPUs running at 2 GHz each?

Re:IDK (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528946)

The Pentium 4 ("Netburst" family) was designed to excel at exactly one thing: provide cheap gigahertz, performance be damned. A 1.2GHz Pentium III Xeon could dance circles around a 3GHz Pentium 4, then blow a final fart at it before sprinting away. It's an example of the kind of disaster you end up with when you allow marketing to dictate engineering (a.k.a. "Marketecture").

The original Pentium M? In a very real sense, it's basically a die-shrink Pentium III Xeon with added power-management features.

The reason why Intel and AMD largely quit focusing on raw clock rate in favor of multi-core chips is because bus speeds higher than ~3GHz (slowly inching higher, but slowly... very, very slowly...) aren't just pointless, they're counterproductive because nothing else in the system can run that fast, so it ends up spending most of its time waiting for the outside world to catch up with it.

Re:IDK (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 3 years ago | (#33529086)

> Even if he gave up on waiting he can get Android handsets now with 1Ghz. I would think if Tmobile wants the G2 to be
> their flagship phone they would have gone at least on par with the N1.

Based on my own experience with HTC phones, a rooted G2 will run at 1GHz without breaking a sweat... it just won't get acceptable life from a stock battery. Frankly, 90% of the things people bitch about with the current crop of Android phones are due to inadequately-sized stock batteries. If you own a recent-vintage Android phone, do yourself a favor... buy a nice, beefy 3400+mAH battery (roughly double the life of most stock batteries), root it, disable cpu-scaling, and watch your performance problems fade away one by one. Graffiti on a 528MHz Hero (scales down to 200MHz or below) is almost unusable... jack it up to 710MHz and disable speed-scaling, and it magically becomes almost error-free. The culprit wasn't even the 528MHz... it was the fact that HTC programmed the phones to slow down to almost nothing when an input editor is open, on the theory that they're "only" displaying a picture of a keyboard and waiting for a keypress. Violate those assumptions with something trying to do Graffiti, and the whole thing makes a mess. Prevent it from slowing down, and it becomes smooth as glass. Remember, if the power-management takes 100ms to decide you're doing something and speed up the phone, that's 100ms (really, 350-800ms since you can't just jack the speed directly up to max... you have to step it up) it's going to lag when you casually pick up the phone and swipe across the screen.

To repeat: a big battery is the greatest gift you can possibly give yourself and your rooted Android phone. Well, ok... a non-Sandisk class-6 or class-10 microSDHC card for the swapfile is the second (Sandisk is rarely the absolute fastest, because their target market is video professionals and photographers who value stability and shelf-life over balls to the wall random-access small-file performance; the fastest flash comes from companies that overclock the controllers and drive it harder to boost the benchmarks, even if it means the chip will start failing in 3 years instead of 20.)

G spot (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525212)

G2, 4G, fuck'em all!

We're going 5G. With aloe.

Re:G spot (4, Informative)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525764)

I guess someone has never read that article from the Onion:

Fuck everything: we're doing five blades [theonion.com]

Re:G spot (2, Funny)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526136)

I guess someone can not spot someone who obviously HAS read the article.

Re:G spot (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526286)

The GP was commenting to the person who had modded the GGP's post as troll.

Re:G spot (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526378)

It's not the first time I have looked like an idiot.

For those without time to read the summary... (5, Funny)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525310)

HTC G2 (~4G HSPA+, OS v2.2) > HTC G1

THANK YOU! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525442)

HTC G2 (~4G HSPA+, OS v2.2) > HTC G1

Thank god, someone put it into Big O notation. It was borderline Facebook gibberish before that!

Re:For those without time to read the summary... (2, Interesting)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525822)

While there are a lot of more expensive Android phones I've found the G1 to be the best. It has redundancy for all it's interface options, a lush keyboard and a nice small form factor. The only big hurdle is the battery life, which can be fixed with one of the expanded batteries available online.

I'm running a company selling them with Android 2.1 and a juicy voip deal and I've noticed that their prices are actually rising on Ebay. People are buying more and more of them.

Their processor is a bit slow which sucks for voip as there's a 50ms delay, but the fix with ram and apps moved to the SD card is pretty sexy.

Android definitely needs some better applications though.

Re:For those without time to read the summary... (3, Interesting)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526216)

I have a first-gen G1 and am still using it. (Thank you Cyanogen for Android 2.2!) I will probably upgrade to the G2 when my cycle comes around if only because the newer apps show how long in the tooth the G1 is getting. Oddly enough with the custom ROMs in some areas it still outperforms my friend's Droid.

Re:For those without time to read the summary... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33529526)

Why is his Droid not running CM6?
I bet my D1, smokes your G1. At 1.3Ghz it seems like it would have to.

Re:For those without time to read the summary... (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527538)

I'm interested in what you've mentioned. My g/f has a G1 and she has hit the point where she does not have enough room on the phone to load the apps that she wants to use. Can you post a link to the devices that you are selling?

medicore (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525338)

i was hoping for this to be a "next-gen" android device, but it doesn't even meet modern specifications. 800mhz processor is a downgrade, and everything else is equivalent to what i could buy 4 months ago. the only folks this appeals to are those that are locked in to t-mobile for some reason.

unless the faster network speeds mean something to you. personally, 3g is fast enough for 99% of the things i do i would not sacrifice on other specs to have HSPA+. no information about the HSPA+ coverage yet either.

Re:medicore (4, Informative)

leighklotz (192300) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525398)

There's a distinct lack of usable keyboards. The G2 doesn't have the 5-rows of the G1, which is a disappointment.
What good is it having ssh on your mobile device if you can't use it?

Re:medicore (3, Interesting)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525730)

Ah, but it comes with Swype! There's no need for a physical keyboard.

I'm being somewhat serious. I love the physical keyboard on a blackberry, but haven't found any others that even come close. I was reluctant to switch to an all-glass handset, but after getting used to swype it's not bad at all! The only issue is that for some reason they don't support the DEL key in any of the terminal emulators I've used.

Re:medicore (3, Interesting)

Adm.Wiggin (759767) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525936)

Bullshit. No on-screen keyboard can replace a good physical keyboard (Swype or not -- it's cool, but definitely not something I want to be using all day), and the G1 is about as good as they come for Androids.

Re:medicore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526842)

Bullshit. No on-screen keyboard can replace a good physical keyboard (Swype or not -- it's cool, but definitely not something I want to be using all day), and the G1 is about as good as they come for Androids.

As a hardcore (5+ yr) blackberry user that recently switched to the Evo 4G + Swype, I can tell you that I can type like a mofo with swype. Faster than BB (but not by much). Now for symbols, swype does require a button press to get to the symbols board (sym) and then another to get back to letters. However, many symbols are available simply by grabbing the key and swyping down to space. As fast or faster than blackberry's alt+key. Without swype however, I agree with you. The standard android/iphone keyboards are complete shat.

Re:medicore (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527360)

I'm in the same boat. Hardcore BB user, switched to EVO + Swype. At first it didn't seem like I was typing fast, but then I realized it is faster than typing manually on the blackberry (though not always as precise).

Re:medicore (1)

Sark666 (756464) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528520)

I don't have a device that supports swype but is there a flash demo or something I can try on my pc using my mouse?

Re:medicore (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 3 years ago | (#33529164)

Just *try* editing Perl on a server with Connectbot using Swype (or any other soft keyboard). Or SQL. It'll have you in tears, rage, or both. I personally use Graffiti for almost everything, but my next phone is going to be an Epic 4G for one reason: there IS NO soft keyboard that doesn't utterly and completely SUCK with terminal emulation or when typing things that deviate from the content of "normal" text messages. When evil programmers die, they go to hell and spend eternity using Android Scripting Engine to edit Perl using HTC's stock SenseUI soft keyboard (Swype in discrete mode is much better, but it's like comparing "utterly and completely unusable" to "sucks ass" when it comes to typing stuff like that).

Re:medicore (1)

leighklotz (192300) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526848)

Ah, but it comes with Swype! There's no need for a physical keyboard.

I'm being somewhat serious. I love the physical keyboard on a blackberry, but haven't found any others that even come close. I was reluctant to switch to an all-glass handset, but after getting used to swype it's not bad at all! The only issue is that for some reason they don't support the DEL key in any of the terminal emulators I've used.

Or control. Or meta. Just try using emacs over ssh with a glass keyboard. Or vi. Or a curses interface.

Re:medicore (1)

Alakaboo (171129) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527928)

I've been having trouble with delete/backspace in ConnectBot. I'm trying out Full Keyboard now (it has dedicated dpad and control character modes). Delete works, at least, although flipping through all the modes gets old very quickly.

Re:medicore (1)

bartle (447377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526370)

I'm glad you pointed this out, I hadn't even noticed. One thing I love about my G1 is the keyboard, with Connectbot I have a surprisingly usable remote terminal in the palm of my hand.

It's a shame that keyboards are viewed only in the context of sending text messages.

Re:medicore (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526894)

God, if we had it your way we'd still be using chisels. Adjust to the damn virtual keyboards -- evolution demands it! I know this because I've seen Star Trek: The Next Generation's episode "The Game". No keyboards.

Re:medicore (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525460)

It will only be appealing if they are locked into T-Mobile *AND* require a physical keyboard. T-Mobile has the Vibrant, which is a Galaxy S variant. The Galaxy S is one of, if not the, fastest phone available - certainly has the best GPU of any phone.

G2 seems pointless. Even if you require a hardware keyboard, the Droid 2 has the G2 beat.

Re:medicore (3, Insightful)

jonescb (1888008) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525618)

I don't know what this fascination with GPUs in phones is about. Android doesn't even have a large 3d games selection, and by the time it does the current selection of phones are going to be ancient. I'd be more concerned with CPU and IO speed as well as general responsiveness. As long as it can draw 2d images and primitive 3d animation on the screen, I'm more than happy. The people ranting and raving about graphics capabilities in phones come off as being those overclocking "hackers" who wet their pants over an increase of 1fps.

Re:medicore (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525740)

The CPU and IO speed will be faster if they don't have to worry about any graphics and leave that to the GPU. How much faster depends on many things, but regardless it's more cycles the CPU can spend on real work even if you're not doing intensive 3D and video.

Re:medicore (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525786)

GPUs might also be useful in decoding of video and drawing 2d images, or at least making that process a little smoother.

Re:medicore (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525982)

Agreed, you want a shiny phone. You don't need new and powerful doesn't seem to be an issue.

People haven't really gotten into the whole "smartphone" revolution, it's pretty much like Pcs since the core processors even one a few years old is good enough.

Plus it's making it hard for me to keep up trying to get users VOIP service on their phones.

I like the G1 it's the Android Dev phone after all and the keyboard is awesome.

Phaistoscommunications.com is my little company.

Re:medicore (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526180)

The D2 has a locked bootloader, meaning buying one is a stupid short sighted move.

Re:medicore (3, Informative)

JorDan Clock (664877) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525590)

That 800MHz processor will be running a vanilla Android ROM, without any vendor-specific GUIs to completely ruin the performance. I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that it runs a lot smoother than any 1GHz smartphone with Touchwiz or MotoBlur.

Re:medicore (1)

space_jake (687452) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526238)

Android 3.0/Gingerbread is rumored to have minimum requirements of a 1 GHz processor, however if you're rooted you can probably install it anyway, but it is definitely on my mind for a smartphone upgrade.

Re:medicore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525670)

It's only 800mhz, but it does have separate 2D/3D GPU and audio. Offsetting the graphic and sound with different chips allows it to perform as well as or faster than the Vibrant. Also comes with stock android, none of that SenseUI crud.
T-mobile has a HSPA+ city list on their coverage site as well.
Personally I look forward to default 3D app menu with OpenGL and 5.1 sound output, but that may just be me.

Re:medicore (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525852)

It's only 800mhz, but it does have separate 2D/3D GPU and audio. Offsetting the graphic and sound with different chips allows it to perform as well as or faster than the Vibrant. Also comes with stock android, none of that SenseUI crud. T-mobile has a HSPA+ city list on their coverage site as well. Personally I look forward to default 3D app menu with OpenGL and 5.1 sound output, but that may just be me.

Wait there are people on slashdot who don't use cyanogenmod?

Re:medicore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526766)

Cyanogen with 5.1 audio out?
Where is that? I want it!

Re:medicore (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527636)

Perhaps you can enlighten me. What does cyanogenmod on the D1 offer me that stock 2.2 with root/overclock doesn't?

Re:medicore (2, Informative)

acedotcom (998378) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526224)

actually its a multi-processor phone. and the main processor is clocked down from 1.2GHZ. it has a GPU and application coprocessor that should take some of the heat off the CPU. i am excited about this phone, i just wish it had a row of number keys on the keyboard.

Re:medicore (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526472)

he only folks this appeals to are those that are locked in to t-mobile for some reason.

If you want a GSM carrier so that you can use your phone outside the US you've got a choice between T-Mobile and AT&T and I don't know why anyone would deal with AT&T unless there was really no other option.

Re:medicore (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527544)

i didn't mean to knock t-mo, i'm quite happy with them. decent customer service, unlimited data, free tethering, and -$10 / month for a no-contract plan.

in general they have significantly less coverage than AT&T, but 99% of the time it doesn't affect me.

Re:medicore (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526732)

unless the faster network speeds mean something to you. personally, 3g is fast enough for 99% of the things i do You obviously do not enjoy watching porn videos while driving... download speed is VERY important for that!

HSPA+ Is NOT 4G (3, Interesting)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525366)

The claimed speeds are pure BS.

While a high bit rate might be achievable, the frame structure underlying the 3G protocols prevents fast round trip times, which slows web browsing and interactive sessions to a crawl.

Compare it back to back with 802.16 (aka WiMAX, aka 4G), which is based on 802 data network protocols instead of voice bearer protocols and there is no comparison. WiMAX, even with similar bit rates, is smoother and faster.

Re:HSPA+ Is NOT 4G (3, Informative)

acid06 (917409) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525860)

I've seen 3G networks with latencies of 90-100ms to the outside world. While it's not as good as regular broadband, I was even able to decently play some online shooters with that latency with acceptable performance. That's probably the case where latency is most important.

But then, I used to play Quake on a dialup connection back in 1997, so maybe I can just cope with higher latencies better than the average gamer.

Re:HSPA+ Is NOT 4G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33528994)

With HSDPA, I can get pings as low as 90 ms to nearby servers. Add HSUPA and you're hovering around 50-60 ms.

Mobile broadband is not nearly as bad these days as it was when GPRS was all the rage.

Re:HSPA+ Is NOT 4G (3, Informative)

fangorious (1024903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528898)

Sprint's WiMAX isn't 4G either. Sprint is using 802.16e whereas the 4G proposal (because it hasn't actually be accepted and made an official ITU-R standard yet) is 802.16m. The 802.16e spec is capable of about 1/10th of what the IMT-Advanced (the real name of 4G) requirements specify. Now I know you didn't actually say anything that is contradicted by what I'm saying, but some people will read your post and think Sprint's Evo 4G == way better data than T-Mobile G2, which is not true. T-Mobile's HSPA+ network is proving [cellphonesignal.com] to be faster than Sprint's WiMax network. They're both pre-4G, T-Mobile's is just better.

Re:HSPA+ Is NOT 4G (1)

boreddotter (1836042) | more than 3 years ago | (#33529222)

yeah in my 3rd world country 21Mbps is labeled as 3.5G, the gov regulators stopped one carrier from advertising those speeds because they are not widely available in all areas, but 7Mbps is still advertised.

True 4G is just starting to be tested and was shown off in some expos last year, but won't wide see deployment till 2H11.

I think carriers in North America should get some sort of government regulation, it's not good for the consumer to buy a phone and travel across the continent and find that their device is not compatible with the carrier in that area, which is something I experienced when I traveled there last summer and I only travelled to two neighbouring states.

sorry for going off topic.

Only 14.4 Mbps... (2, Informative)

Chris Snook (872473) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525458)

While T-Mobile's towers may be capable of 21 Mbps HSPA+, the G2 itself can only do 14.4 Mbps, according to the fine print on T-Mobile's teaser site. Of course, you'll get nowhere near this in real life, but if you have a 7.2 Mbps HSPA device, and you're expecting it to be 3x as fast as whatever you get in real life on that, you'll be disappointed to only get 2x that, at best.

http://g2.t-mobile.com/ [t-mobile.com]

20% of nothing means nothing... (3, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525484)

"...which while not a 4G network offers what T-Mobile is calling 4G-like speeds up to 21 Mbps."

From the ITU, on 4G mobile speed per the working group: "A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s"

Yes, HSPA+ is 4G-like indeed. It is nice that they are being a bit more honest and not just calling it "blazing fast 4G" or some similar hyperbole. However, I do long for the day when we can do away with terms like "up to" when referring to mobile data rates. It's pointless to say how fast it "could" go IF tower proximity is x and interference is y and in-band traffic is z...

They might as well just advertise with "We hope it's faster than the other guys!" and wait for the PC Mag test to get published.

Re:20% of nothing means nothing... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526102)

However, I do long for the day when we can do away with terms like "up to" when referring to mobile data rates.

So when those terms are done away with, does that mean I can sue the provider for false advertising when I try to visit a Slashdotted website and only get 2 k/sec?

Sorry, but everything will always be "up to" whatever the connection speed is between you and whatever is on the other end at the provider. Mobile or not. If my ISP advertises 5 Mbps, whether it really is or isn't is mostly irrelevant because you're always limited to the slowest link to what you're hitting and sharing someone's bandwidth at some point.

Of course, something like bittorrent should be able to max out whatever speed the provider is claiming, and in cases like that, I definitely agree with you.

HSPA+ is 4G speed, but not 4G latency. (3, Interesting)

BlueKitties (1541613) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525560)

As with Satellite Internet promising "broadband speeds," HSPA+ is promising "4G speeds." The drawback to both is latency. The most impressive part of 4G networks is the extremely low latency, which could enable versatile online gaming. For those of you not familiar with latency, it's the amount of time it takes for a device to send a request and receive a response. If that request is telling someone you just shot them in the face with your double barrel shotgun, then latency is a huge issue.

iPhone FTW (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525646)

Nice try android, but yet another crappy phone with no apps, terrible usability, etc, means NO LUCK. So sad, too bad.

Think Different. Think Better. THINK APPLE!

Re:iPhone FTW (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33526158)

And a great side benefit of the iPhone is that due to the huge group of gays working at Apple is that it doubles as a great anal dildo for using on yourself or your boyfriend while you both are jacking off.

21Mbps? Who cares! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525696)

These speeds don't make much sense in presence of 3-5GB/month caps on contracts.

The longer we accept the bullshit that capped (err, UNLIMITED*) internet access is, the more we let the telcos hold us in contempt.

I was trying to get a SIM-only contract in the UK to hook up as a backup link to my home router. When I heard that the caps are in the region of 3GB/month and every additional kB (that's 1024 characters!!!) is charged at about 3p I had to ask the sales droid to repeat the figures to me before I left the store.

That and the completely imaginary numbers charged for roamed data access are worth a revolution alone.

Marketability? (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | more than 3 years ago | (#33525738)


Notable for the HTC G2 is that it has a modified hinge that opens up to a slide-out QWERTY keyboard. The phone also includes Swype text entry software for its touch screen, an 800MHz Snapdragon processor, support for a 32-GB microSD card, and Wi-Fi, GPS and Bluetooth capability. It also has a 3.7-inch display, a 5-megapixel camera with LED flash and autofocus, and can shoot video in 720p HD resolution.

So...the features are all less than what the newest smartphones are already capable of. I believe the newest line (EVO, Galaxy, Droid, iPhone 4) all have at least 1Ghz processors and some have much better than 5 Megapixel cameras.

Re:Marketability? (4, Informative)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526354)

High megapixel cameras on cell phones are pure marketing. I wouldn't dock the G2 for "only" having a 5MP camera. It's all the same crap in the end.

Re:Marketability? (2, Insightful)

slyrat (1143997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526558)

Notable for the HTC G2 is that it has a modified hinge that opens up to a slide-out QWERTY keyboard . The phone also includes Swype text entry software for its touch screen, an 800MHz Snapdragon processor, support for a 32-GB microSD card, and Wi-Fi, GPS and Bluetooth capability. It also has a 3.7-inch display, a 5-megapixel camera with LED flash and autofocus, and can shoot video in 720p HD resolution.

So...the features are all less than what the newest smartphones are already capable of. I believe the newest line (EVO, Galaxy, Droid, iPhone 4) all have at least 1Ghz processors and some have much better than 5 Megapixel cameras.

The keyboard is what it is all about. There are certain individuals (like myself) who only like smart phones when they have a physical keyboard. There really aren't many options in this arena and this certainly is better than the rest when you only compare android phones with keyboards.

Re:Marketability? (1)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527506)

Too bad it doesn't share the same keyboard as the G1 which, in my opinion, is the best keyboard out there on any smart phone. (Five rows baby!)

Re:Marketability? (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527700)

True. In all fairness, the Galaxy S line has a 5 row keyboard, and some of the Verizon Droid line has physical keyboards as well. I guess I am just failing to see anything new and exciting in this phone when all the features it touts already exist in other smartphones that have been out for some time.

Re:Marketability? (1)

fangorious (1024903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528970)

Only the Sprint version of the Galaxy S line (Epic 4G) has a physical keyboard. The T-Mobile (Vibrant), AT&T (Captivate), and VZW (Fascinate) versions are all screen-only. Not sure about a keyboard version in other countries.

Re:Marketability? (1)

bieber (998013) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527578)

I like how you picked two of the worst metrics to compare based on raw numbers, and then compared them based on the raw numbers. A 20% difference in CPU clock speed doesn't mean a slower processor, it depends on the architecture in use. I don't know the specifics here, but you can't fairly compare two completely different machines based solely on their clock speed. Same for megapixels. When you're taking a photograph with an image sensor the size of a finger nail, just how many grainy pixels it can crank out really isn't an issue...

Re:Marketability? (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527752)

I am still not sure why those chose the 800 Mhz processor. You're right, clock speed may not matter. But the Droid Incredible, EVO 4G, and Nexus One all use the 1Ghz Snapdragon. We will have to wait and see for the full hardware specs, but their press release does not sure anything compelling about this phone when compared to all the options out there. However, it is fair to say the other phones I pointed out are not on TMobile. This may be the best phone TMobile will have as I am not familiar with their handsets for sale.

Re:Marketability? (1)

fangorious (1024903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33529038)

The G2 uses the Scorpion core, which is capable of 1.2 GHz but clocked down to 800 MHz (probably for battery life). It's superior, even at 800 MHz, to the 1 GHz snapdragon. The GPU performance is much on par [androidspin.com] with the Galaxy S, so they don't need the CPU running at a high clock speed like on the pre-GPU phones you compare it to (except the Galaxy S, which this performs comparably too).

You Fail It (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33525972)

play partiEs the exemplif1ed by and personal incompatibilities

T-Mobile released the G2 Touch last year. (1)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526530)

I wish they wouldn't re-use the names. T-Mobile released the HTC Hero as the 'G2 Touch' in the UK over a year ago.

Still no UMA (3, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526692)

All current BlackBerry handsets on T-Mobile's network can make calls, text, etc, over WiFi using a technology called UMA. This means, for example, if you have a server room in the basement that gets zero cell reception, as long as you have a WiFi hotspot available you can still make calls. And yes, this is included with your regular plan at no cost.

But not Android phones. And apparently not this one, either. I really wish T-Mobile would get on this.

Re:Still no UMA (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33526794)

Does the Google Voice app on Android allow the use of WiFi for voice, or does it route all calls over the 3G network?

Re:Still no UMA (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527508)

The calls via Google Voice are all routed via the voice network of your mobile phone, no Wifi, no 3G.

Re:Still no UMA (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528012)

That sucks. Of course, I just got a Blackberry and found out you can't use the Browser over WiFi unless you are paying T-Mobile for a data plan... WTF?

Re:Still no UMA (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528380)

I know. I used to have a Blackberry Curve with T-Mobile. I used the UMA functionality in Japan to make free calls back to the US. It was awesome. I'm on a Nexus One now, and while VoIP isn't quite there yet (Sipdroid is ok, but not great), it's getting better all the time. LTE is going to fix a lot of this though (if/when it gets here).

Re:Still no UMA (1)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527518)

I just saw this feature today while looking for G2 info. Man, I wish the Android phones had it because it would solve my one gripe with T-Mobile: no coverage in a few rural areas I occasionally find myself in. However, I always have wi-fi out there.

Download caps...?! (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527112)

...offers what T-Mobile is calling 4G-like speeds up to 21 Mbps.

Sweet! One step closer towards my eventual goal: to reach my monthly download cap in an infinitely brief span of time!

About the 4G-ish claim (1)

jonfr (888673) | more than 3 years ago | (#33527676)

This is not a 4G network, it is not even a 4G-ish network. This is just 3G with high data speed turned on. As the fact or matter is that most 3G network are not using maximum speed that can be utilized on them.

There is a lot of 3.9G (4G-ish) out there at the moment. But no true 4G mobile system appears to exist at the moment that I know of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G [wikipedia.org]

all five towers upgraded? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#33528008)

has T-Mobile upgraded all five of their towers to HSPA+?

if not i'm not interested since when i do get a signal via ionosphere bounce i would like to be sure i will have a chance to try out this "4G-like speed"
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