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Nokia Names Microsoft's Elop As New CEO

Soulskill posted about 4 years ago | from the embracing-and-extending dept.

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itwbennett writes "Nokia has tapped Stephen Elop, former president of Microsoft's business software group, to become its new CEO effective Sept. 21. Elop will replace Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, who loses his board seat immediately and will step down from the CEO position on Sept. 20. Microsoft said Elop will leave immediately, but the company doesn't seem to be rushing to fill the vacancy at the top of one of its largest divisions. 'I am writing to let you know that Stephen Elop has been offered and has accepted the job as CEO of Nokia and will be leaving Microsoft, effective immediately,' Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wrote in a letter to employees late Thursday."

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Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

rwa2 (4391) | about 4 years ago | (#33533450)

The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533484)

relevance?

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533684)

relevance?

Article is about Nokia >> N900 is a Nokia phone >> original poster probably wishes nokia went droid hardcore. Nokia makes great hardware. Some people find the software lacking.

But on the other hand, lots of people love the N900 software, given it's nix. So I guess his choice to not pick a n900 is a bit bizarre. I never knew that gps was such a killer app on a phone.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533748)

Relevance of all that?

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (2, Interesting)

odies (1869886) | about 4 years ago | (#33534048)

Because Nokia is still the largest player in the mobile industry - by a huge margin - since they make just normal phones too. But they also have a big catalog of different phones for different needs, like the N900 which technical persons and linux users must love. They might not be so relevant in the US, but they have huge marketshare in Europe and Asia. The latter one is where people don't usually have smartphones but just normal phones. However, Elop has said his main job now is to help Nokia target US markets better. That is why it also makes sense to hire an American CEO who has been long time in the technology industry.

Now, what Nokia actually needs is to get the usability and things like app store and such correct for their smartphone line. There haven't been any improvement on those things with Nokia phones for years and iPhone, Android and the upcoming Windows Mobile 7 have got it a lot more right. Even tho I've used Nokia phones since I was a kid, I wouldn't consider their smartphones now. That is what Nokia needs to work on.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

rwa2 (4391) | about 4 years ago | (#33534598)

Word up... I'd much rather Nokia improve their US market penetration by emulating Google (or possibly even Apple, ech) than Microsoft. Merging Maemo and Moblin probably was already a good start.

But really, for me, GMM was simply one of those killer apps that really changed my quality of life, and the only thing I missed from my old blackberry that I had for work years ago. Didn't look like Ovi maps would be able to match the functionality and the user community (pics & reviews for nearby restaurants and attractions, etc.).

Hopefully with Moblin they'll survive as a pocketable computer manufacturer even if they don't "make it" as a smartphone manufacturer. Android still has a ways to go before I even stop carrying around my Palm TX :P But at least it has a decent SSH and VNC client so I can use it to get to a real computer when I need to.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

DarenN (411219) | about 4 years ago | (#33534904)

With the N900 you've got OVI maps, which are just as good, or sometimes better, than google maps. It also has routefinding, and turn-by turn navigation, and works very well anytime I've had to use it.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33537184)

Umm, do you think he's going to try and make all Nokia phones run Vista? Because somewhere, if you reverse up this via dolorosa of non sequiturs posted by fucktards like you there was a wish about Nokia adopting Android.

He used to run a fast food company. Do you think he's going to start messing about with the menus in the canteen? If you're consistent in your stupidity the answer must be yes.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

toastar (573882) | about 4 years ago | (#33534606)

Relevance of all that?

Relevance of your inquiry?

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534658)

What's the relevance of inquiries?

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (4, Interesting)

Keruo (771880) | about 4 years ago | (#33533656)

The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900

NITDroid(Android 2.2) runs on N900 just fine, if you don't like the Nokia software, switch.
Thats why N900 is superior platform, it gives YOU the ability to choose the OS yourself instead telling what you can and can't do with the hardware.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534616)

Um, no. NITdroid does not let you make phone calls, and it does not support power management.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533660)

I bought a e52 because it had a bunch of things that I wanted and hey, symbian is open source now too, right?

Well, in a word, disappointment. Serial disappointment. It's not the surface of the interface, it's not qt or lack thereof, it's complete cluelessness in functionality. Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer -- both of which are far inferior to the very same thing in my 2001 vintage 6310. The only thing you might run the "open sourced" symbian on within the foreseeable future is beagle boards. Nothing wrong with beagle boards, but I wouldn't run symbian on them. I want to fix my damned phone, but that part isn't open.

It really is impressive just how much nokia failed to "get". It's like they're dead set on finding irrelevance from within heaps and heaps of potential.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 4 years ago | (#33533830)

Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer

And yet, no specifics. Y'know I'm disappointed there isn't a Santa Claus handing out presents in the office here, but y'know, reality sucks sometimes.

 

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534128)

It's a slashdot post, not an in-depth product review.

And unlike your post, it contained some information.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 4 years ago | (#33534176)

unspecific whining is not information.

hth.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534980)

Holier-than-thou declaring that the mere mention of "letdown" as the main user experience isn't enough for your taste is even less useful. hth.

Still and all, because you asked oh-so-nicely, some tidbits:

- 6310 has a "timer" feature. Not so the e52. Best you can do is set an alarm for a certain time in the future. After setting it'll "helpfully" remind you that it'll go off in N minutes. N being one less than expected based on simple time calculation. Look, that thing has enough cpu power to calculate that sort of thing for me, why can't I put in "now + N minutes" right away?

- 6310's calendar has a "call somebody" entry type. Not so the e52. It has lots of ways to specify the location, but no way to simply say "I want to call that person, that number, then, that time" All the extra fields that it does add loses me the most-used option. Not useful.

And as a bonus:

I used to store SMS messages on the SIM. The e52 simply doesn't let me do that. It won't even show the messages already on the SIM except for the first few characters. There's no way to show the entire message short of taking the SIM out and putting it back in the 6310. Maybe if I moved them off the SIM to the phone first, but that'd mean they get stuck on the e52 and can't be put back on the SIM. GIven that this is the fourth or fifth phone that's held this SIM, that's simply not acceptable.

There's many more where that came from, like how VoIP 3.0 breaks compatability with just about every SIP provider Out There, the GPS unit is near-deaf and doesn't even show what it's up to, the USB cable isn't usable to recharge the thing if it's too exhausted to pick up the USB before shutting itself off again but not too exhausted to show a nicely lighted start-up animation, and so on, but this should be illustration enough to satisfy your bitching.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33536418)

I bought a e52 because it had a bunch of things that I wanted and hey, symbian is open source now too, right?

Well, in a word, disappointment. Serial disappointment. It's not the surface of the interface, it's not qt or lack thereof, it's complete cluelessness in functionality. Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer -- both of which are far inferior to the very same thing in my 2001 vintage 6310. The only thing you might run the "open sourced" symbian on within the foreseeable future is beagle boards. Nothing wrong with beagle boards, but I wouldn't run symbian on them. I want to fix my damned phone, but that part isn't open.

It really is impressive just how much nokia failed to "get". It's like they're dead set on finding irrelevance from within heaps and heaps of potential.

How is this relevant? N900 doesn't run on Symbian.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533690)

you do know that there's a work around...

http://noknok.tv/2010/01/18/get-google-maps-on-your-nokia-n900/

"N900, yes, it runs linux"

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

neurally_hyperactive (1897420) | about 4 years ago | (#33534426)

The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...

Nokia have bought NAVTEQ about 2-3 years ago and offer OVI maps (their own version) for free to most of their smartphones. I have been using the OVI maps on my Nokia 5800 it has been pretty useful. as others have pointed out, N900 has a superior platform. however, Nokia is really lagging in their OS itself. they have just released a new Symbian 3 OS with N8 and Maemo OS with N900 and now they are working with Intel to develop another OS called MeeGo albeit, it is based on Maemo. I wish Nokia will get their act right and stick with one OS. there hardware has been always good if not great.

--
Information is bliss!

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 4 years ago | (#33535246)

Yeah:

Step-by-step guide for the people over at Nokia not getting it:
1) So you bought Symbian, too bad, take a loss and get rid of it.
2) So you bought Navteq, too bad, you don't need it longer.
3) Don't give people a fucking phone with a new OS and leave them alone!
4) Throw out phones with Android instead of keep on working on Symbian
5) Profit!

If they really want to risk it:
6) Develop and release Meego. Confuse everyone with the release. Try to beat Android.
7) ???

If they really need it for low-end phones:
8) Then maybe it's ok to develop Symbian, doubt it was worth buying though ...

Kinda late now. If it where Nokia who had Android phones instead of HTC they would not only have sold the most units.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 4 years ago | (#33536964)

If your choice was because of GPS navigation, you managed to fail in an epic fashion. Nokia has Ovi maps which are essentially navteq's maps. They're above and beyond google maps on application and actual maps level, both in usability and accuracy.

Not to even mention actual, real fully functional offline navigation.

All in all, your post shows the reality of nokia's problem in US. They have a great product, often superior to competition, and yet the marketing is so bad that most people don't know that, and end up buying worse choice for their requirements because of it.

Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33537296)

Well, I have N97 mini and the standalone GPS works once out of 100 attempts. The only reason for having it were offline Ovi Maps, now what?

N900 is the best phone I've ever had, running xterm and compiling with gcc on the phone was marvelous!
However, Ovi Maps is really bad there and the dance with Maemo/Meego was just plain stupid. Announcing that your flagship device is already obsolete as Maemo is canned while not having any comparable replacement is a sheer stupidity. UI would also use some improvements.

Bai bai nokia (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533502)

Hiring an american is, for this finnish company, a pretty large error. Making him a micros~1ee, read: largest innovation destructor in computing to date, is not going to bring back "innovation" to this ailing company. They basically have everything except management clue (but a clear excess of management), and you're not going to fix that by getting another manager from brass-heavy micros~1. So, last rites to nokia. G'bye.

Re:Bai bai nokia (1)

durrr (1316311) | about 4 years ago | (#33533926)

Considering the pathetic performance of OPK, the native finn, against the iphone of US-led apple fame i'm not overly sure it's a bad move. Either way nokia bloody well needs new blood.

Re:Bai bai nokia (2, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about 4 years ago | (#33533998)

This looks like a troll but it's not. Google "Microsoft master phone" for details. The curse of history is that those who don't learn it are doomed to repeat it.

Re:Bai bai nokia (1, Redundant)

odies (1869886) | about 4 years ago | (#33534168)

Elop has nothing to do with Microsoft's line of phones or phone software. You know people are individuals too and Microsoft is a huge company, so it would be stupid to think they're somehow interconnected.

nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535166)

that search reveals nothing. The possible explanations are that you're crazy, you've misspelled something, or it's a big cover up conspiracy.

Re:nothing (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535324)

Get Nokia [theregister.co.uk] . Marc Brown [theregister.co.uk] wasn't in phones either. Dominance of Nokia and Symbian would trump Android [computerworld.com] . Microsoft poaches two Symbian execs. [theregister.co.uk] Gates' retaliation plans. [theregister.co.uk]

Any other questions?

Re:nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535848)

Yes, one more question: what does this have to do with this topic?

Re:Bai bai nokia (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 4 years ago | (#33535314)

Since he came from the Microsoft business section I assume he may actually have some good ideas for how to make it a nice business phone.

Interesting turn of fate (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533514)

One of the key components of Nokia's current attempt to regain relevance is the (open source) Qt toolkit, powering KDE on Linux. It will be very interesting to see how Nokia under Elop will manage that asset and how Nokia's relation to the Open Source community will evolve.

I for one wish him, Nokia and all ex-Trolls well.

Re:Interesting turn of fate (3, Insightful)

hyartep (1694754) | about 4 years ago | (#33534228)

far more, nokia is embracing linux for it's next mass platform (meego) and open-sourcing it's current platforn (symbian).

i hope they will keep this attitude.

for now they are a little slow to deliver, but they are imho the most open mobiles company.

nokia owns the world (2, Interesting)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 4 years ago | (#33536802)

except for the usa . Their only real competition are apple and google... From the usa ... They have been making smartphones for a decade and are looking to get into the usa market with stuff like the n900 and n8. They haven't been able to break the us market so far and i'll bet this is elop's first task .

In other news (0, Redundant)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 4 years ago | (#33533540)

No chairs were thrown during the exit interview.

The hired from Microsoft because ... (2, Interesting)

Old97 (1341297) | about 4 years ago | (#33533550)

of their remarkable success with mobile devices, especially phones? I don't understand this one. How did Elop manage to distance himself from his former employers failures or did Nokia even notice? This does not bode well for Nokia.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (3, Informative)

PseudonymousBraveguy (1857734) | about 4 years ago | (#33533606)

Not to defend the decision, but Elop is from the Office division, so you can hardly blame him for Microsoft's failure in the mobile market.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (2, Insightful)

Old97 (1341297) | about 4 years ago | (#33533752)

That's a good point. On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant. I only use it because I have to at work. So in my mind his software experience doesn't fit well with the requirements for mobile device software which really must be lean and elegant in design. The UI for MS Office while it's fine for a full PC doesn't translate to mobile devices either, so that experience isn't germane. Microsoft's approach to software development has been the anti-thesis of agile and nimble for some years now. What went wrong with Vista's development was just an extreme example of more systemic problems at Microsoft. Yes, MS Office hasn't had any big obvious failures (except Clippy), but that's by comparison to Vista. What if it weren't a de facto monopoly? Would it remain competitive? It's installed base in the corporate world makes it almost untouchable. That's not true in the mobile world which is really just getting started and is very competitive and fast moving. That's nothing like the MS Office experience.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (4, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | about 4 years ago | (#33533802)

On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

I wonder which of those things would be more important to a corporation.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534478)

And I wonder what impact he made on that? Office is as close to a rent as one could dream of.

What I wonder also is what kind of guy Elop is. If you look at his LinkedIn profile, he stayed sufficient time at his first two companies (Boston Chicken, CIO, and Macromedia). Then it's job hoping: just over 1 year at Adobe, same for the stint at Juniper, and now 2.5 years at Microsoft. That doesn't mean the guy is bad, but for the Adobe and Juniper part he left before the consequence of his decisions could be really felt.

In other words, the guy raised fast, and moved too fast recently to see clearly his impact. I'm sure he has qualities to raise like this, but I saw some of those hoppers: very good at selling themselves and seducing, sometimes less at delivering.

But now, where he landed, it's certainly time to deliver. So we'll see what the guy is really worth in a few years now. Good luck to him.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | about 4 years ago | (#33534730)

I agree with pretty much all of that. It'll be interesting to see for sure.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (1, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | about 4 years ago | (#33535020)

On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

Due in no small part, to Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive activities. It's one thing to make vast amounts of money from a monopoly, but making money in a competitive situation (where Nokia is no longer the leader) make take a different skill set.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535104)

On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

You meant OpenOffice.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (2, Interesting)

Infonaut (96956) | about 4 years ago | (#33535506)

On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.

Office makes so much money due to monopoly rents. MS can charge an arm and a leg for software that has remained, in terms of core functionality, unchanged for at least the last two decades. If Nokia wanted someone who was good at leveraging an existing monopoly, Elop would be a great choice. My guess is they wanted someone who might help them create groundbreaking new products and catch up to the industry leaders who are rapidly leaving them in the dust. On paper Elop isn't that guy. Maybe there's more too him. Maybe deep inside there's a radical innovator waiting to come out, like a fierce little alien leaping from some space colonist's body. But I remain skeptical.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (2, Interesting)

arivanov (12034) | about 4 years ago | (#33534082)

On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.

So is Symbian.

And as someone else noted it enjoys ridiculous market share. Once again - so does Symbian.

So from a modern management perspective where managing Boston Chickin is more important than knowing the industry you manage the man is spot on for the job.

He can't cook either (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 4 years ago | (#33535846)

So in my mind his software experience doesn't fit well with the requirements for mobile device software which really must be lean and elegant in design.

Don't worry, CEO's just be do the low level programming to someone else's spec.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (5, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | about 4 years ago | (#33533744)

That was my first thought, but to be fair this guy is coming from one of Microsoft's most succesful divisons- the one that brings in one of the largest shares of Microsoft's profits, whilst Microsoft's attempts at entering the mobile market have not come from this division.

It's unlikely this fellow had much real involvement in Windows Mobile, but does have experience of running one of the most succesful divisions of the largest tech company in the world.

My biggest concern if anything would be that perhaps this background may leave him too business focussed, and with the current battle for mobile phones being more centred around fun and personal use he may end up just pushing dull handsets that only compete with the likes of the Blackberry and aren't interesting enough to challenge Android and iPhones in the hearts of consumers. Potentially though his skills are transferrable and working in a business focussed division doesn't mean he can't use his management skills on non-business focussed stuff too.

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (1)

Locutus (9039) | about 4 years ago | (#33536814)

only thing is, I've seen and talked to a few Microsoft shop techies about various software solutions and have constantly been shut down with the phrase, "we're a Microsoft shop" even though Microsoft didn't have a solution. When Microsoft finally did pull something together, they ate it up quickly. So given that, and the fact that it shows how Microsoft's market position is solely responsible for many server side sales, this guys track record does not apply outside of Microsoft. Nokia does not have that kind of lock-in and position in the mobile phone segment to win customers.

So he's really unproven in the market Nokia is in and with a company minus the market power and control Microsoft has and he had. We shall see how quickly Microsoft Windows 7 starts showing up on Nokia phones, how quickly Android and MeeGo get dropped and how quickly Nokia fades away, or not. He might show his colors quickly and I'll be keeping an eye on them that's for sure.

LoB

Re:They hired from Microsoft because ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535404)

Well if the guy's name is Elop it more or less follows that he will elope... (*)

Now, seriously, Nokia bought Trolltech, which makes Qt -- the foundation of KDE.

Are we sure he did really leave M$? 8-o

Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535722)

of their remarkable success with mobile devices, especially phones? I don't understand this one. How did Elop manage to distance himself from his former employers failures or did Nokia even notice? This does not bode well for Finland.

FTFY

Microsoft? (1, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 4 years ago | (#33533562)

Ok, I have no clue who the guy is but, if I were on the Nokia board and looking for a new CEO to help raise Nokia back to relevance in the face of the iPhone's success, I would look to a Google exec before one from Microsoft. Not to be a smartass, but why would you hire an exec from a company that hasn't yet figured out how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market when you need an exec who knows how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market? Google, at least, is giving Apple a run for its money and is making the smartphone market interesting. Microsoft has ... well, nothing in the smartphone market.

A very, very weird choice...

Re:Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

dk90406 (797452) | about 4 years ago | (#33533704)

Perhaps no exec from Google were willing to leave a successful company, in order to join a company that is struggling (and so far failing) to stay relevant in the High-end phone market?
I know Nokia still sells a lot of phones, but they are mostly in lower profit area of the market.

Re:Microsoft? (4, Insightful)

Zouden (232738) | about 4 years ago | (#33533742)

Not really. This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer. Elop probably has a proven track record in managing Microsoft's business-software division (which does better than most divisions at MS) so they want him to deliver the same success to Nokia.

Also, it's worth noting that Nokia's financial success is not dependent on competing with Apple in the smartphone market. They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.

Re:Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

thepike (1781582) | about 4 years ago | (#33533860)

This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer.

Thank you. Most people seem to have missed the point that he's going to be in charge of the business end, not product development.

Granted, the two are obviously intertwined, but he's going to be dealing with money and people, not the decisions about what software to pursue/cancel except on a big picture scale.

Feature phones are dying (2, Interesting)

Infonaut (96956) | about 4 years ago | (#33535612)

They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.

That's like saying Dell or HP can continue to make commodity PCs and dominate that segment. While it may be true, the statement misses the fact that as the mobile market matures, feature phones will become a smaller and smaller slice of the overall pie. Moore's Law is relentless; the feature phone is dying as smartphones become the standard. There is no way Nokia execs are sitting around a big table discussing how they can use feature phones to ensure market dominance. If Nokia doesn't find a way to take the battle to Apple and Android, they're in deep trouble.

Re:Microsoft? (3, Insightful)

GlassHeart (579618) | about 4 years ago | (#33535926)

This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer.

True, but I'm not sure there is such a thing as a functional chief engineer in the consumer space. If they were designing aircraft, I can see the suits deferring to the engineers except for general requirements, budgets, and such. It'll probably be harder to convince any CEO that he doesn't understand cell phones enough to have an opinion...

Re:Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

Locutus (9039) | about 4 years ago | (#33536640)

true but from what I've seen, the Microsoft koolaid infects quite successfully. He's also been able to leverage all the Microsoft shops who look for products from Microsoft instead of looking at what is already on the market so in many cases, it just means putting something which kinda works in front of them and they purchase it. Yes, I've seen this. So while he might have been head of part of Microsoft's server software division, have a monopoly and leveraging that monopoly for success is not even close to competing in the open market.

And just because he is the CEO and not the chief engineer, he runs the show and has the voice of the Board of Directors and management. And who's to say he's not going to start replacing many of the existing staff with his own? That is what often happens.

IMO, this guys is untested in a real market and given where he came from, he's a threat to the future of Nokia. Had he been outside of Microsoft for a couple of years more could be known of his ability to lead an independent company but that's now what we have here.

LoB

Staggeringly Delusional (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533746)

"Google, at least, is giving Apple a run for its money"

Just how delusional can you possibly be?

Google's Android dumped Apple into 3rd place in the cellphone market two quarters ago. And Google dumped RIM into 2nd place this last quarter.

Android was selling at a rate of 200,000 new phones a day/73 million a year a few months ago. And that rate has been increasing at a tremendous rate quarter after quarter for the past two years.

Perhaps you spend your day sitting around in Starbucks, but out in the real world Google is the leader of the cellphone market.

Re:Staggeringly Delusional (0, Offtopic)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 4 years ago | (#33534194)

Out in the real world, Apple makes more money than all the other smartphone manufacturers combined. (Well, almost - only 44%: http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/19/htc-how-they-compare/ [asymco.com] Scroll to the bottom to see earnings percentages)

You can keep your marketshare. Apple will take the money.

Aww, teh Liddle iFanboy! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33534470)

Good liddle iFanboy!

You spouted the standard iDamage control meme for Google's Android phones beating the shit out of Apple's overhyped and defective iPhone so well!

Re:Staggeringly Delusional (2, Insightful)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 4 years ago | (#33534596)

Depends on the metrics. I'm sure Apple makes oodles more money with the iPhone and related stuff (content, accessories) than Google is making with Android and related stuff.

I'm fairly sure RIM is, too.

Re:Staggeringly Delusional (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 4 years ago | (#33534886)

It's disingenuous to call it Google beating Apple. It's more like a group of manufacturers (HTC, Motorola, Samsung to name a few) all using the Android system that are beating Apple's iPhone.

Re:Staggeringly Delusional (2, Interesting)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33535716)

Someone had to coordinate, and stick their neck out... and put together a package that sells.

Re:Microsoft? (3, Insightful)

N1AK (864906) | about 4 years ago | (#33533760)

Not to be a smartass, but why would you hire an exec from a company that hasn't yet figured out how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market when you need an exec who knows how to combat Apple's success in the smartphone market?

Because you're experienced in hiring executives and know that executive != company. Which google exec [google.com] would you go for? How many executives at a company primarily focused on advertising would really be appropriate to run one of the largest manufacturing companies in the world? I have no idea. Are you just more willing to share your opinion on matters you don't have in depth knowledge of, or is hiring execs your day job?

Re:Microsoft? (1)

PrimordialSoup (1065284) | about 4 years ago | (#33534472)

Because somebody who works at google wouldnt leave it for nokia..:)

Consonant Envy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533570)

Just so that he fits in will he be taking the name Stephphen Ellop? I'd hate to see Nokia loose all those double-consonants.

MeeGo? (2, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | about 4 years ago | (#33533578)

I guess this doesn't sound like good news for MeeGo. But maybe I'm too harsh. If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.

Re:MeeGo? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 4 years ago | (#33533628)

If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.

WTF? Please define "smartphone".

 

Re:MeeGo? (1)

alexhs (877055) | about 4 years ago | (#33533876)

Well, I suppose he meant "the US smartphone market" (because, you know, the remaining of the "world" is irrelevant).

Re:MeeGo? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 4 years ago | (#33534258)

Yeahbut. Aren't the global market and the US market just the same thing?

Oh wait. No.

 

Re:MeeGo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533790)

If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market

Excuse me? Has Nokia been passed as the market leader in smartphones since I last looked a few weeks ago?

Re:MeeGo? (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | about 4 years ago | (#33533956)

Toast!

Nokia has removed all reference (except a few straggling pages) for the N900 from http://www.nokiausa.com/ [nokiausa.com] already. The N900 is no longer for sale from Nokia USA.

This is sad, and I am sure you will be seeing Windows Mobile on Nokia phones in the future. You don't just leave Microsoft any more than you leave the Mafia.

Truly a sad day.

Re:MeeGo? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about 4 years ago | (#33534254)

I wouldn't draw that conclusive. The N800 too disappeared from Nokia's publicity almost as completely, and it was still succeeded by an open device based on Free Software. Nokia has been upfront that the Maemo-era devices were just a minor part of its catalogue and only stepping stones to a more widely available, more seriously marketed future product.

Re:MeeGo? (2, Informative)

macson_g (1551397) | about 4 years ago | (#33534592)

N900 was a 'public prototype', not something that could be a really competitive product. But if you liked it, just wait few weeks for the premiere of they new - MeeGoo based - device. some inside sources that should remain unnamed are claiming that it is going to be a big thing.

Re:MeeGo? (2, Interesting)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 4 years ago | (#33534030)

Yeah, I'm a bit concerned about how a CEO from MS will effect the FOSS projects Nokia has. But maybe, just maybe, it will actually help build some bridges between MS and FOSS.

Re:MeeGo? (2, Interesting)

scorp1us (235526) | about 4 years ago | (#33534578)

Business manager types care not about the implementation. They care about vision.

Nokia is dead set on MeeGo, Qt, and all that open source Jazz. Expect this man's vision to be implemented that way.

Re:MeeGo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33536250)

Vision? I can imagine what kind of vision someone from Microsoft would have. Something like "One phone, One Computer, one OS" :/

Windows [mobile]/[phone] (2, Insightful)

iONiUM (530420) | about 4 years ago | (#33533580)

Uh, why Microsoft? I think they've proven they suck with anything "cool", especially in the mobile realm. Android is now starting to steamroll BB in stats, and has a cool tablet coming out. Why would a mobile company trying to 'come back' (of sorts) hire a MS person? I don't get it.

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (5, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | about 4 years ago | (#33533776)

Maybe Nokia's hoping to move in more of a business direction and eat up Blackberry's market?

Elop comes from Office, which is about as close to a license to print money as you can get in the Office world. Clearly he knows something about managing a product that the business world will want. Cue a handful of people who are convinced that any day now Google Docs or OO will finally make real headway against Office in much the same way that Cubs fans are convinced that this will be their year in the World Series, but seriously -- even if Office somehow went down in flames today, it's still enjoyed utter dominance of its market for, what, 15 years? I'm sure if Nokia ended up with only that kind of dominance over business smartphones out of this move (and I don't think they will, but for the sake of argument... ) they'd be happy with it.

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | about 4 years ago | (#33534762)

I think the Cubs have a better chance of making the World Series than Google Docs or OpenOffice have of making any threat against MSOffice. For any/many number of reasons, MSOffice is the gold standard, and probably has a 99.99% share in businesses, personal computers, schools, and elsewhere. The portion of people actually using GoogDocs or OOo as their primary and every-day office-suite is likely to be very, very small. And yes, the Slashdot crowd doesn't exactly model "the average user".

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (1)

robus (852325) | about 4 years ago | (#33534982)

Hmm - but I would argue that Office has been able to phone it in for the past 15 years - and so where has Elop learned to handle to difficulties of a real market place? And even though we know Microsoft is rife with infighting I doubt anyone messes much with the Office division - so he wouldn't have got many hard knocks there either.

Still seems like an odd choice.

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (1)

Stumbles (602007) | about 4 years ago | (#33534300)

Really, the only hardware Microsoft has done reasonably well is the mouse, even then they just borrowed other technology.

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (5, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 4 years ago | (#33534928)

This guy isn't Mr Microsoft. He simply worked for them. Have some damn perspective.

Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (1)

Locutus (9039) | about 4 years ago | (#33536480)

Probably because many in management in the tech sector are so far removed from reality they miss what's going on. They probably think that Microsoft has its market position in the desktop OS sector because they make really good software and do it better, faster, and cheaper than the competition. It says so in all the management rags so it must be true.

What they will learn is that without billions of dollars backing him up so he can spend hundreds of millions on marketing, , Stephen Elop has less than a 50% chance of growing Nokia and is more likely going to destroy it. Getting the guy directly from Microsoft doesn't even give them a chance to know how much of the MS koolaid he's been drinking and since Nokia does not use much Microsoft software on their devices, he could very well hand Microsoft a huge vendor and destroy Nokia at the same time. And hasn't Nokia been looking at getting into the tablet space also?

Bad move Nokia Board of Directors, bad move.

LoB

News for PHBs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533640)

Stuff that matters to stuffed suits in accounts receivable.

Kill Qt - go Mono ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533702)

Awesome. He should dead the lame S40 + Symbian + MeeGo plans and make plain a Windows 7 compatible (Linux plus Mono) play to beat Android. Nokia needs big new attack to stay relevant, and symbian and Qt no good at all ever.

No way (1)

h7 (1855514) | about 4 years ago | (#33533710)

No way my next phone will be a Nokia now. A president of business software group? WTF is that?

Kin? (1)

Exitar (809068) | about 4 years ago | (#33533740)

Why I'm not sure that hiring a person that worked for the producers of Kin (AND Zune) is the best way to save Nokia from decline?

Re:Kin? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33533910)

What decline? They've lost market share because the market has grown so much. They sold over 5 million more smartphones 2009 Q2 -> 2010 Q2 source: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013

Imagine now ... (3, Funny)

Going_Digital (1485615) | about 4 years ago | (#33533822)

Nokia phones now come in Home, small business, big business, magcorp, media and facebook editions.

Elop is a software guy (5, Informative)

Flambergius (55153) | about 4 years ago | (#33534190)

A lot of people are asking why a guy from Microsoft?

Basically, Nokia didn't hire a "Microsoft exec", but Stephen Elop of lately Microsoft, but previously of Juniper Networks, Adobe and Macromedia, a software guy with a reputation of excellent communication skills. That might be a very good move, Nokia can make mobile hardware as well as anyone, it's their software and services that have been the problem and not just lately, but at least since 2000.

One of article gives a good overview.
http://www.itworld.com/business/120236/nokia-names-microsofts-elop-new-ceo

The Guardian has very nice article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/sep/10/nokia-stephen-elop-smartphone

Only thing I can think to add, that I read in Finnish media, was that Elop handled Microsoft's relations with Nokia and is relatively well known inside Nokia's boardroom already.

Re:Elop is a software guy (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33535758)

I think Micrsoft is the new Scarlet Letter of resumes for some people. ;)

I admit though, the first thing I thought when I read the title was: "Great, now MS is going to farm off their execs to get people to build Windows Phone 7 devices."

unfortunate accident.. (4, Funny)

formfeed (703859) | about 4 years ago | (#33534312)

In what Microsoft spokesmen called an "unfortunate accident" Elop got hit by a flying chair while trying to leave the Redmond campus.

I HATE YOU NOKIA! (0, Troll)

ConaxConax (1886430) | about 4 years ago | (#33534328)

I wonder if Steve Ball is throwing office chairs around this time.

Re:I HATE YOU NOKIA! (1)

ConaxConax (1886430) | about 4 years ago | (#33534418)

mer. Steve Ballmer. Jesus Christ

Re:I HATE YOU NOKIA! (1)

RMS Eats Toejam (1693864) | about 4 years ago | (#33534950)

Your attempt at humor sucked sufficient dick to make the typo irrelevant.

just one question: (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | about 4 years ago | (#33535012)

Did Nokia and Stephen Elop?

And why am I the first one to think of it?

It won't last. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33535892)

This won't last long. Long assignments don't fit by the business profile of the character.

Worst: North American can never ever fit into the the Nordic work tradition and culture. He will feel pretty limited and lonely there.

Conclusion: this might lead to astonishing wins on short term (call it "reorganization") but after that he will leave to yet another challenge.

The battle will keep on between Google and Apple, with M$ as side player collecting reasonably good wins with relatively little innovation.

Whether Nokia communication devices will make it to the 1966 Corvette driven into a canyon by 13 year old James T. Kirk in 2246 remains unclear, as yet.

Now Nokia is really fucked (2, Interesting)

melted (227442) | about 4 years ago | (#33535930)

The guy is nothing but a bunch of hot air. He did almost nothing for Office, he came in after Raikes left in 2008, and it was Raikes who ran Office division so successfully. A monkey with half a brain could continue running this monopoly. They needed someone who knows what to do with the company. Elop certainly does not.

And the CIO is Microsoft Bob! (1)

Spencerian (465343) | about 4 years ago | (#33536430)

My eyes read that heading wrong. I saw:

Nokia Names Microsoft's Flop As New CEO

Now, I know that Nokia would have plenty of these to emulate, but, really, to make Windows Vista your CEO, wow.

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