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Geocentrists Convene To Discuss How Galileo Was Wrong

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the when-did-britain-pull-ahead dept.

Earth 1027

rollcall writes "'Galileo Was Wrong' is an inaugural conference to discuss the 'detailed and comprehensive treatment of the scientific evidence supporting Geocentrism, the academic belief that the Earth is immobile in the center of the universe.' The geocentrists argue that 'Scientific evidence available to us within the last 100 years that was not available during Galileo's confrontation shows that the [Catholic] Church's position on the immobility of the Earth is not only scientifically supportable, but it is the most stable model of the universe and the one which best answers all the evidence we see in the cosmos.' I, like many of you, am scratching my head wondering how people still think this way. Unfortunately, there is still a significant minority of Western people who believe that the Earth is the center of the universe: 18% of Americans, 16% of Germans, and 19% of Britons." I hope there is live blogging from the conference.

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Next up on slashdot: (5, Funny)

Deathnerd (1734374) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554272)

Committee meets to discuss how light is actually extreme dark.

Re:Next up on slashdot: (2, Informative)

Kvasio (127200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554514)

especially that Galileo only defended heliocentrism, as was described by Copernicus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism [wikipedia.org] )

Re:Next up on slashdot: (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554598)

I especially love the fake testimonials at the bottom of the page. Dr. Wilstonshire Oglethorpe XVIII, who has a degree in Super-Advanced Mega Astronomy says: "OMG You were totally right. Bad on us"

First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554274)

First post!

Ha Ha! You gonna get BONED! Ha Ha! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554278)

Suck massive epeen [slashdot.org] bitches!

ME! (4, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554282)

My mom says I'm the center of the universe.... or is that just the basement?

Re:ME! (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554398)

Is there a difference?

Re:ME! (5, Funny)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554412)

It's not so much that you're the center, as much as that you've expanded to fill all the available space, so it doesn't make sense to talk about your position in the basement. You are the basement.

Spurious survey results? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554288)

I wouldn't take those numbers seriously. If someone asked me if I thought the Earth was the centre of the universe in their survey, I'd say 'yes' just because the question itself is ridiculous.

In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554290)

...even they know the earth goes round the sun.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (2, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554306)

That's because the Communists purged all the morons^Wreligious nuts.

In "believe anything written down" land (3, Informative)

Romancer (19668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554400)

A compendium of bible quotes loosly supporting this:

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml [hypertextbook.com]

Re:In "believe anything written down" land (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554550)

The bible, Talmud, and Quran are vile, savage, worthless, self-contradictory rags best suited for use as toilet paper or as lining for a hamster cage.

And the people who believe what's in 'em should be rounded up and euthanized. It never ceases to amaze me how the followers are arrogant enough to believe that they are better than the other animals, even as all of thier laws revolve around breeding.

Haha you got me (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554292)

This is some kind of prank... right? Please?

Re:Haha you got me (4, Insightful)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554460)

At the risk of starting a shitstorm, see the people who believe the Holocaust never happened. If an idea exists, it's likely some entity believes in it and will find/shape evidence to support it.

Re:Haha you got me (1)

jpate (1356395) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554520)

how right you are [alternet.org]

Re:Haha you got me (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554594)

Well ... instead of proving them wrong - people are forbidden by law in Europe, and by peer pressure in USA to question the holocaust
it's not very "scientific" thing to forbid questioning the matter ...
And it's very very hard to bend the reality that much to even thinking of compare the Holocoust existence with position of the Earth in universe. And it's totally offtopic.
I am gessing you are a jew :)

E. Michael Jones (1)

Potor (658520) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554490)

I thought so to, but since I see E. Michael Jones's name on the poster, I am sure it's not.

This is precisely his kind of topic.

INtellectual devils advocate like INTPs (1)

spineboy (22918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554576)

I think that this is more of a study in being a Devils Advocate, re-affirming the scientific process, and a study of the history of science.
I will, as an INTP personality type, argue against my position sometimes, to hear out any weaknesses in my position.

I have read on the flat earth boards before, and it seems to me to be a misture of real flat earth believers, devils advocates, and others who like to creatively argue an absurd point, so as to intellectually have an interesting battle of the wits.

Doesn't really matter... (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554302)

Unfortunately, there is still a significant minority of Western people who believe that the Earth is the center of the universe: 18% of Americans, 16% of Germans, and 19% of Britons."

...And assuming that they aren't working in astronomy, there really is no loss.

If your mechanic thinks that "The Little Mermaid" was a Shakespearean drama, that really doesn't affect his ability to fix your car. Same with this.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (5, Insightful)

catbutt (469582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554346)

As long as he doesn't have the right to vote.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554392)

...Which is one of the flaws in democracy rather than true self-government and is why democracies need to transition to self-government with a tiny government to protect people from force and fraud.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554644)

...Which is one of the flaws in democracy rather than true self-government and is why democracies need to transition to self-government with a tiny government to protect people from force and fraud.

You're right! Galileo is attempting to subject us all to the gravitational force, and as an American I am against that. My feet stay on the ground because I am bound to this country by patriotism, not because some namby-pamby Eurotrash fraud is trying to force me to. Don't tread on me!

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1, Troll)

e9th (652576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554456)

Sorry. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 [justice.gov] pretty much did away with literacy tests for voters. Sigh.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (4, Informative)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554602)

Sorry. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 pretty much did away with literacy tests for voters. Sigh.

Maybe because the literacy tests had nothing to do with knowledge and everything about (white) cultural familiarity? The examiners even got to select who took the test and who didn't. What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Doesn't really matter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554486)

That's a lot of schizophrenics to have in one Hilton. Wait! It's a trap!

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554424)

Yes, no one need ever bother knowing something not directly related to their job, what would be the point of that?

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554510)

Well, obviously they -should- but the point being is that with a sane government it doesn't matter for you and me and everyone else what the hell they believe because their only real interaction that matters in our lives are the interaction through their job.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554444)

If your mechanic thinks that "The Little Mermaid" was a Shakespearean drama, that really doesn't affect his ability to fix your car. Same with this.

And if you think it's a Disney story, you'd be just as wrong [wikipedia.org]

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554474)

And if you read the original story, its totally different than Disney's version too.

Re:Doesn't really matter... (3, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554544)

And if you read the original story, its totally different than Disney's version too.

So in that version does the Little Mermaid not have crabs?

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

Gerald (9696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554522)

What if my mechanic is in the Texas state board of education?

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554578)

Evil Planetarium guys will sell you a computer program called Earth Centered Universe and it works on all forms of Windows!

Re:Doesn't really matter... (1)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554626)

A child raised by geocentrist parents either will have issues with their parents or learn to hate science (as science class will repeatedly be saying the kid's parents are wrong). Chances are, that mechanic would defer to you pretty quickly if you corrected him (he's simply mistaken); geocentrists tend to believe as they do in spite of the evidence they've been confronted with. The problem isn't that they are wrong, but that they actively resist science.

18% (5, Funny)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554312)

there is still a significant minority of Western people who believe that the Earth is the center of the universe: 18% of Americans

In other news, 17% of Americans were found to exhibit a sense of humor when called by pollsters while most of the rest just get upset.

Re:18% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554506)

Of course the rest get upset, just think about it, they used to burn people at the stake for saying that Earth is not the centre of teh universe.

Doesn't the Bible say so? (2, Insightful)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554314)

Now if you take the Bible as the literal truth, as so many do, this is to be expected.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554380)

Now if you take the Bible as the literal truth, as so many do, this is to be expected.

Or you could assume that using a stationary Earth as a frame of reference works just as well in Einsteinian physics as a non-stationary Earth. Just remember, you get the same results by assuming that YOU are the stationary center of the Universe as the reverse....

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (4, Insightful)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554442)

No you don't, because the earth is a non-inertial frame.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (2, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554542)

No you don't, because the earth is a non-inertial frame.

Not looked at General Relativity much, I see...

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (4, Informative)

Goldsmith (561202) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554524)

Except that we can measure the acceleration of the earth (rotation around the sun is obviously not a strait line, and easily measurable). So... yeah, you don't actually get the same results when you do the math for a point decoupled to the solar system and earth. No one outside of physics learns relativity, despite it being 100 year old science. Some may learn "pigeon" relativity, but that's not really helpful.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (0, Troll)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554584)

Except that we can measure the acceleration of the earth (rotation around the sun is obviously not a strait line, and easily measurable). So... yeah, you don't actually get the same results when you do the math for a point decoupled to the solar system and earth. No one outside of physics learns relativity, despite it being 100 year old science.

Try looking at General Relativity a bit more closely. Results are the same either way.

Some may learn "pigeon" relativity, but that's not really helpful.

Try learning the difference between "pigeon" and "pidgin", which is what you really meant above (I hope). It'll make people take you more seriously when discussing Relativistic physics.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (2, Informative)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554382)

Nope. The Bible doesn't says so.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (2, Informative)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554436)

Really? Because I'm rather familiar with the bible and no where does it say the earth is the center of the universe. Just created first.

Re:Doesn't the Bible say so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554582)

No, the bible says the earth has 4 corners.

The biblical view has a flat earth, a heaven and a hell.

Relativity Says It can be. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554320)

In the rest frame of the Earth the entire universe revolves around it.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554366)

But earth is not in a rest frame, since it is both spinning around the sun and spinning around its axis. The Coriolis effect is proof that we don't live in an inertial frame.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554608)

But earth is not in a rest frame, since it is both spinning around the sun and spinning around its axis. The Coriolis effect is proof that we don't live in an inertial frame.

You can define a rest frame however you want. That doesn't mean that the lays of Physics are invariant in them.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (5, Insightful)

danielrendall (521737) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554416)

No it doesn't. The Earth is rotating and this may be demonstrated by experiment, ergo it cannot be said to be at rest. You can argue that one inertial frame of reference is as good as any other, but the Earth is not an inertial frame.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554466)

No it doesn't. The Earth is rotating and this may be demonstrated by experiment, ergo it cannot be said to be at rest. You can argue that one inertial frame of reference is as good as any other, but the Earth is not an inertial frame.

Sure can treat Earth as a rest frame it just makes the math harder.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554418)

In the rest frame of the Earth the entire universe revolves around it.

You can revolve a circle around any point in it or even outside it, but its center is the point such that any line drawn through that point divides the circle into two equal halves.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (1)

smoothnorman (1670542) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554452)

"revolves around it"? "it" what exactly? the axial center of the earth? or its center of mass without considering the moon? or is it the center of the observer? and if so, what part of the observer's brain? (or is it.. lindsay lohan after her next brush with the law?) these questions must be discussed until all the stale cookies are eaten! ("ok assume an infinite Riemann surface lacking any starbucks franchises...")

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554556)

Even trying to mold the universe to this scheme, the Sun must be the center. By simply calculating the wobble of the universe against or perspective then your would have to at least acknowledge that the Sun must be the center. It is highly improbable that the universe and everything in it oscillates at precisely double the distance from the Earth to the Sun at precisely the same rate as our orbit. It would also be an interesting calculation as to why closer objects oscillate more and further ones less when I should be the reverse effect which would make the night sky look redonkulous (yes I know, inappropriate word, but real words simply dont apply when the premise of the argument is lunacy)

Sun centered? maybe on a technicality of relativity, and still only a very liberal view and including 'relative to Sol', but earth centered? no loopholes here.

Re:Relativity Says It can be. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554572)

Actually, apart from (as has been noted) Earth's reference frame is seriously non-inertial, you can prove Earth rotates by noting that the stars would be circling Earth faster than light. Since this is exactly contrary to relativity, your point is exactly wrong.

Website Design for Crazy People (5, Insightful)

Arcady13 (656165) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554322)

Why do the websites of lunatics always seem to be based on the same template from some horribly awful site made for Mosaic in 1995? Does crazy dictate design? Or does each wackjob just copy the code from the previous wackjob? Or maybe these sites are all made by the same escapee from the insane asylum? Maybe they are still in the asylum, and the computer in there is running Windows 3 on a dialup modem?

Re:Website Design for Crazy People (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554432)

That style is meant to EMPHASIZE everything i m p o r t a n t!

The paper version of that template is text where ever other word is highlighted with text marker.

Probably because any decent web designer ... (1)

mr_death (106532) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554488)

... would laugh hysterically when presented with the copy for the web site. So, they had to go with someone who had heard of "FrontPage" sometime during the last decade.

percentages (1)

retech (1228598) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554324)

"...18% of Americans, 16% of Germans, and 19% of Britons." 100% mouth breathing idiots.

That explains a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554326)

Let's see... 18% of Americans believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? For real?

No shit.

I now understand a little more about the stalwarts that supported Bush no matter what.

Re:That explains a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554408)

"Let's see... 18% of Americans believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? For real?"

That just shows the poll to be ill formed. Where the question if USA is the center of the universe 100% of them would have answered "why, obviously yes!"

Re:That explains a lot (2, Funny)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554454)

Let's see... 18% of Americans believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? For real?

No shit.

I now understand a little more about the stalwarts that support Obama no matter what.

Works just as well this way, too. :p

Scientific evidence.... (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554330)

There is more scientific evidence supporting the existence of ghosts and Bigfoot than there is of a geocentric universe.

Re:Scientific evidence.... (5, Funny)

mickwd (196449) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554344)

I thought Galileo Darwin had conclusively proved that the Earth evolves around the sun?

Re:Scientific evidence.... (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554470)

Just like you shouldn't mix your metaphors you shouldn't mix your scientists.

Re:Scientific evidence.... (1)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554498)

Strange, I thought it was Charles Galilei...

They are right, but they missed a tiny detail (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554350)

Deep in our hearts, we all know that the geocentrists are correct. The earth is the center of the universe. It's also of a disc-like shape. That's the only logical explanation all the dinosaurs that populated the earth when it was created some 7000 years ago, are gone now. They must have fallen off the surface of the earth when they were trying to visit australia for a holiday, missed the continent and wandered just a teeny weeny little bit to far past it.

Re:They are right, but they missed a tiny detail (2, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554606)

the good news is that the dinosaurs are fine, and not extinct; they now inhabit the shell of the topmost Turtle.

So I'm wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554354)

If 18% of American's think that Earth is stationary, do the other 82% think the Earth revolves around themselves?

Re:So I'm wondering... (1)

Michael_gr (1066324) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554568)

Actually, 137% of Americans believe the total percentage of Americans in America is 300%, not 100%.

Some of these guys are Catholics (1)

shadowofwind (1209890) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554364)

Their error, as I understand it, is they imagine the universe entirely in terms of geometry, without trying to understand dynamics. How do they account for the path a satellite in a polar orbit takes over the earth?

Re:Some of these guys are Catholics (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554570)

Look, these guys know what they're talking about. They have a book published by Catholic Apologetics International Publishing, a non-profit corporation. Since it's a non-profit you know they're not out to make a quick buck.

And the authors both have a Ph.D. The primary author, Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D. holds advanced degrees in Theology and Religious Studies. He has authored ten books including a five volume compendium on the bible. How can you argue with that? If this man says the Earth is the center of the universe, I for one will take him seriously!

In his book Galileo Was Wrong The Church Was Right he authored the entire book except chapter 10. Chapter 10 was written by Robert J. Bennet, Ph.D. Dr. Bennet has a doctorate in General Relativity from Stevens Institute of Technology. He provides a detailed, technical and mathematical explanation of the various arguments for Geocentrism.

With these credentials I am shocked you could so boldly proclaim they have made an error.

At first glance (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554374)

I read the last line in the summary as:

"I hope there is live flogging from the conference."

Which would fit.

Evidence (4, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554388)

90% of the world believes in God(s), and there's nothing but imaginary evidence for that, too.

But by all means mock the fringe dimwits who don't actually negatively impact society.

Oxymoronic geocentrist is oxymoronic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554394)

If we look out into deep space, our instruments allows us to see equally far in every direction. Therefore, trivially, we /are/ at the centre of the observable universe. What's the problem?

does this remind anyone else of an Onion News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554404)

does this remind anyone else of an Onion News Article?

To each her or his own. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554426)

It's all relative.

No fixed center of the universe (0)

Danathar (267989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554440)

Exactly how does one propose to fix the "center" of the universe when space and time are relative to the position of the observer? Technically you could say that everywhere and nowhere is the center of the universe.

Re:No fixed center of the universe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554596)

Exactly. It isn't clear to me how to answer the question of whether the "earth is the center of the universe". It might have as much a claim to that as some random star 1000 light years from here, depending on the topology of the universe: you could say "no point is the center" or "all points are the center". Having 18% people believe Earth is the center is presented as something horrible, but so as I don't know the answer myself without more research, and see a plausible way to answer "yes", I have a hard time seeing it so badly.

Re:No fixed center of the universe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554618)

The primary argument is roughly as follows:
God is the true observer of the universe. Therefore, time and space are relative to God, not you or any other "observer". Additionally, God lives on or near Earth, so Earth must logically be at the center of the universe. It is immovable because it is the point relative to which everything else is measured, and it obviously can't move relative to itself.

If that doesn't convince you then there are also the arguments "Fuck You" and "Burn the Witch".

(Seriously, though, are we sure this isn't a joke?)

Re:No fixed center of the universe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554634)

Somebody mod this guy up. We have no way of determining an edge of the universe, modern astrological theories claim that there may not even be an edge to the universe. How can you define a center given these facts and more importantly how would you criticize someone else for assuming their current position is the center. From a theological perspective it makes a lot of sense to claim that earth is the center. Hell even humanist/atheists folks who believe that evolution is the origin of species might have reason to think that Earth is somehow special in order to create life unlike any other discovered planet.

Arbitrary Mapping (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554448)

I believe that the planet earth is the outside of the universe. The surface of the planet facing inwards. As you get closer to the center of the universe everything gets smaller and smaller. That is not to say that anything actually shrinks, that would be ridiculous. What happens is that one unit of distance is comparatively smaller compared to here on the outer edge known as earth. If you think of it this way the big bang would have occurred near the centre on the universe, and stars swirl around on the inside, sort of like a snow globe in space. If we really want to learn about the nature of the universe we should be working towards the outer edge, that is to say the earth's 'core' as the uninformed scientists of the world like to call it.

There is another theory that the universe works much like a video game and simply wraps around when you make it to an edge (one of the edges cuts through Camden I hear). But do remember that this 'theory' is total bullshit. Arbitrarily making Camden the wrap around point makes no sense.

Where is it then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554450)

To this day, Earth is more or less the center of observable universe.

But let me ask you: where would you place The Center, if not Here?

19%, Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554458)

I blame immigrants and chavs.

Holy moly, they even sell coffee mugs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554464)

Found it on the linked site -- another link that leads to a merchandising store with shirts, mugs and stuff.
Man, I soooo need one of those mugs. It will look so good right in between to the caffeine molecule cup and the spaghetti monster mug.

Geocentric models and angular diameter? (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554476)

From a mathmatical standpoint geocentric models are quite interesting, however have any sufficiently complex models been developed to accurately account for varying lunar and planetary angular diameter?

Gravity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554484)

The poll from article gives question "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" and according the article "correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun".

As far as understand how the gravity works, this is not actually the correct answer? At the same time as the Sun's mass affect to Earth, the Earth's mass affects the Sun. So even it seems like that we only revolve around the sun, actually the Sun is also revolving around the Earth at the same time.

A compromise (3, Funny)

pariah99 (1899388) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554494)

Pick a lagrange point between the sun and the earth as the center of the universe so that neither one moves.

April Already ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554496)

Is it April 1 already ? I appear to have missed Winter. What next, folks who don't believe in evolution ?

Double header with Flat Earthers. (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554512)

Maybe they should have a double conference with the Flat Earthers, of course that level of concentrated of willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming proof in one location might have unforeseen side effects.

It's really a moot question (5, Insightful)

Fished (574624) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554528)

There's no preferred point of reference, so you could just as well say that the Sun revolves around the Earth as vice versa. It's not like the Sun is a fixed immovable point around which everything revolves either, at least once you get beyond the solar system. Nor is there any other single fixed immovable point. You can pick any fixed immovable point you like and construct a model to match it. (The big problem with a geocentric model is retrograde motion--that is, the planets appear to go backwards from time to time.) The thing is that it's a lot simpler to look at it from the point of view that that the Earth goes around the Sun--both conceptually and mathematically, which is why astronomers do so when they are looking at the solar system. But it is possible to construct a description of the universe in which the opposite is true that is consistent, just damned inconvenient and not very useful.

So, in that limited since, Aristotle was as right as Galileo. Galileo just happens to be more useful.

Re:It's really a moot question (1)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554638)

Nor is there any other single fixed immovable point.

You obviously missed out on the liberal/conservative diatribes in the US lately.

Conference awarded "best troll ever" ... (1)

mr_death (106532) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554552)

... by The Onion. They might also win an Ig Nobel.

The earth could be the center of the universe ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554560)

Surely these people are making the philosophical argument that while the Earth is not the center of the solar system, nor is it the center of our galaxy, it could be the center of the universe. :-)

Nice scam (1)

Doke (23992) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554586)

1. Say something that excites morons.
2. Put up a web store.
3. Profit

it's an intentional joke site (1)

Cratylus_DS (1318681) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554600)

Isn't it?

They're KINDA right (5, Funny)

silverpig (814884) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554604)

The Earth is pretty much at the center of the observable universe...

Technically speaking.... (1)

adbge (1693228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554616)

If we accept that the universe is infinite, any point can be accurately called the center. Imagine the number line -- where is the center? Some people might say 0, but they would be just as correct as someone who said 1 or -1376! Any point in an infinite space is surrounded by equal (infinite) distance.

The earth is the center of the universe!

Not too crazy, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33554628)

Modern cosmology says that there is no center. Since any coordinate system needs an origin, we might as well choose a convenient one.

The same goes for motion. Relativity tells us that there's no preferred reference frame, so we may as well choose a convenient one.

cosmology confirms that (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554632)

the earth is in the exact center of the Visible Universe.

Reference point (1)

leromarinvit (1462031) | more than 3 years ago | (#33554642)

I guess somebody told them that it all depends on where you define your inertial reference point.

Of course, the movements of other celestial bodies get pretty complicated then. But it's not like it couldn't at least be numerically solved...

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