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Boxee Box Pre-Orders Start At $229

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the a-little-late-i-think dept.

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Engadget is reporting that Boxee is taking pre-orders at $229 for their set-top box that is utterly guaranteed to not fit into any stereo component rack you might have. They also have switched chipsets from the Tegra 2 to the CE4100. I'm not sure about this thing, but I'd sure like to play with one as I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen.

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Troll! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562088)

You is trolling! 3

Re:Troll! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562402)

I like Boxee, and here's why. I'm not post pubescent (over 25), I have a girlfriend, and I don't fantasize about her. I like her because she is the antidote, the antithesis, the hemlock in the cup to Internet Tough Guyism.

I was surprised to see that, for all its posturing, slashdot really does hold one thing sacred: its "bad muthafucka" image of itself. slashdot really believes that it's frightening, that it's tougher than a Ford Chevy, that it's badass masculinity personified, in a sense. And, before, there were very few ways to disrupt this image, to give it a good hard kick in the shins.

And then Boxee came along. Boxee love is everything slashdot hates - passive, gentle, adorable, sweet. It gives without asking, it loves without asking in return. Instead of being aggressively faux-adult, it's happily faux-childlike. That's why Boxee became a meme - because she DIDN'T want the attention; because she provided no pics (as the slashtards will attest). As a result, Boxee turned into the most successful way to troll the slashtards ever devised. It actually makes the gore and violence and sexism and racism fantards squeal, because it hits them where it hurts - in their image of themselves. How can they be tough, scary guys when their favorite hangout is one long love poem to Boxee love? So that's why I love Boxee - the sound of slashdot's humiliation is sweet music to my ears.

Re:Troll! (1)

Hylandr (813770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562696)

You lost me at Passive, gentle , adorable,

Am I feeding the paid boxee marketing troll ?

- Dan

Re:Troll! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562884)

hey, give him credit for trying his hand at an original troll. At least it isn't ancient GNAA copypasta.

Re:Troll! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562924)

boxee is a well known (alleged) girl on the internet.

Re:Troll! (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562826)

The medication isn't working like it used to.

Cocaine... (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562968)

is a hell of a drug.

It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom box (5, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562092)

Why oh why would they make it so fiendishly hard to place one of these things? Is it really aesthetically pleasing to have to dedicate the whole cabinet under your TV (if you even have one) to this awkward device?

I for one want to see more devices that stay 100% out-of-the-fucking-way. Let me hide it in a low profile cabinet. Let me mount it BEHIND my TV if I want. I bought the TV to look at the TV... I bought your device, TO KEEP LOOKING AT THE TV. Sigh.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (4, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562160)

One of the advantages of the PS3's otherwise ridiculous use of Bluetooth for the DVD remote is that the whole console can be out of site. Mine sits vertically behind the TV which gives it lots of room to breath and since it does triple duty as media server, Blu-Ray player, and gaming console it means that I really don't have much cluttering up my entertainment center; just a cable box and a stereo receiver.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562190)

TVersity [tversity.com] + PS3 (or Xbox 360) = unlimited entertainment.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562974)

I prefer the open source PS3 Media Server [google.com] myself.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2, Informative)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562990)

I've got an HTPC setup myself... I use boxee mainly with an MCE remote, and a wireless keyboard (when needed). I've been considering switching out to a general device, and if it weren't for my utter despising of Sony, would probably go the PS3 + TVersity route. The 360 works too, but the PS3 adds BluRay. I've done 360 + TVersity, and it works pretty well. I do prefer Boxee over about everything else at this point, but do wish that some of the apps were a bit better consolidated, and the feeds worked a bit faster in some of them... The Revision 3 app is about the best one available... I've never gotten much use out of the "friends" portion of Boxee though, and don't really care to broadcast everything I watch (I disable this). Just adding some worthless commentary to the fray. One thing I do want to do as soon as it's available is order the separate remote.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562354)

Mine sits vertically behind the TV

Doesn't that make it a pain in the ass to change discs?

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2, Funny)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562690)

the whole console can be out of site.

Where in a rackmount in a datacenter? Ooooh, you mean "out of sight".

That said, I'd like to have a bluetooth remote for my (future) HTPC... Can you get anything like it, I searched a bit but didn't find anything. Most seems to be infra-red and using a cellphone isn't ideal.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562796)

Yeah, I noticed my homophone slip up the instant I hit submit but by then it was too late.

As for the remote, would something like this [amazon.com] work? I realize it's branded for Vista but I would think the drivers for a PC remote would be standardized by now. It's not Bluetooth but it is RF so you shouldn't need line of sight, I imagine there are similar solutions using RF out there, that's just the first one I found.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562894)

All IR devices can be hidden. IR repeaters have been available for 30 years

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563052)

A bit of cunningly placed aluminium foil is an effective and far cheaper alternative.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2, Insightful)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562172)

Why oh why would they make it so fiendishly hard to place one of these things?

how about ventilation issues with idiot consumers not heeding warnings about stacking devices, and then filing warranty claims when they break?

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562254)

Perfect solution! If they don't purchase the device because it won't fit anywhere, it can't overheat!

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (0, Flamebait)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562418)

"anywhere"??? really? did you even look at the dimensions? it's not that big, it's just shaped to avoid stacking like the PS3... i see plenty of places it could fit on my tv stand.

i would never buy one of these because it doesn't do anything that the devices i already own can't do...

you're an idiot.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2, Funny)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562468)

Tell that to the mainframe guys.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (4, Informative)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562452)

So you make a device that's stackable, and you know that a good number of customers prefer to put their equipment in a cabinet, and yet you blame the customers when they do so, the device creates enough heat to cook it, and it fails?

Problem 1: not enough fans or vents / device designed for too low of a temperature envelope
Problem 2: No hardware fail-safe / device can go into thermal run-away and not shut down before permanent damage is done

I say that lack of very easy fixes for these two problems are *definitely* the manufacturer's fault.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (0, Flamebait)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562572)

so if the other manufacturer adds the fans you are suggesting, and those fans blow directly into the air intake of another device, that is somehow the fault of the 2nd manufacturer?

you're an idiot.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563030)

Considering most home A/V devices take in air from the sides (or sometimes top) that would be awfully difficult to do.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (0, Troll)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563074)

you couldn't possibly be any dumber...

so a device takes in air from the top you say? and another expels hot air out of it's bottom... and you're saying it would be awfully difficult to line those up by stacking them?

i bet you're great in bed... "sorry hun, that'd be awfully difficult to do"

if you can't make it small (3, Funny)

mevets (322601) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562248)

make it very big. medium size impresses no one. Think how important you will feel if you have to replace your TV stand just to accommodate this.....

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562496)

Maybe it's me but does anyone else think that the design might be off-putting to consumers. It looks like it's missing pieces. Remember consumers judge by first impressions more than technical specs. I remember one lady was flabbergasted that the original iMac wasn't just the monitor. She couldn't believe that it was the whole computer and thought it was magic even though many companies including Apple have been selling all-in-one desktops before.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562780)

Yes. It looks dorky and self-obsolescing.

The solution: throw it behind the media center and run an IR-extender cable to it.

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562522)

They just allow others to make money by selling a missing piece of the cube which will allow to align this shiny new piece with the rest of rectangular feng-shui of one's basement

Re:It's not a settop box and it's not a setbottom (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562576)

Oops, I take my comment back. It has 3rd USB port sticking out at the "bottom" of the cube, so you cannot put it flat on it.

The Anti-Slashvertisement? (2, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562106)

We're used to seeing plenty of blatant advertising in article summaries, but this surprised me a bit to see on the front page:

their set top box that is utterly guaranteed to not fit into any stereo component rack you might have

Did someone from Boxee get in a fight with slashdot's corporate overlords?

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (0, Troll)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562204)

it's not for sale on thinkgeek... i'm also enraged at taco's lie that networked media devices don't exist to play any media. they do.

slashdot = stagnated.

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (1, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562264)

it's not for sale on thinkgeek...

Plenty of Sony crap that never gets sold on thinkgeek gets seemingly infinite amounts of praise on the slashdot front page (even when it is not unique).

slashdot = stagnated.

Is that news for you some how? Slashdot has been running on autopilot for some time now... When was the last time someone who worked for slashdot actually participated in a discussion here on slashdot that pertained to slashdot?

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (-1, Troll)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562360)

Plenty of Sony crap that never gets sold on thinkgeek gets seemingly infinite amounts of praise on the slashdot front page

plenty of crap that does get sold on thinkgeek gets a large amount of praise on the slashdot front page.

people who say "seemingly infinite" are seemingly infinitely retarded.

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (5, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562584)

Taco has this thing about emerging media player technology where he establishes a nearly impossible set of requirements and then denegrates each new hardware release because it does not meet each and every one of them.

For whatever reason it appears he builds a media catalog consisting of as many disparate file formats, sizes, bitrates, pixel depths, containers, and codecs as he possibly can then salts them out across spinning hard drives, thumb drives, burned CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays, 3.5" floppies, SSDs, and Firewire interface Zip drives, all attached to a network, some segments of which are token ring, via a smattering of obscure operating systems. He complains when no one builds a device that caters to his specific blend of geekery. This thing won't upsample a full duplex ogg vorbis DVD rip in NTSC to 1080p and simultaneously serve it to my laptop and video ipod running rockbox? Think I'll wait to buy.

You'd think he would have learned his lesson with audio, but he did not.

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (1)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562720)

my media pc can do everything you've described including burned DVDs, burned blu-rays, Jazz drives... no one is going to sell a "do all" box like that because there isn't a big enough market, and it works to stagnate the market it does have.

Re:The Anti-Slashvertisement? (2, Insightful)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562210)

Did you look at the picture?

Bad Moderator, BAD! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33563072)

How the fuck is discussing the summary offtopic?

'All in one media player' exists already... (4, Informative)

Lukano (50323) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562110)

Seriously, the 'all in one' solution you dream of exists - in XBMC. A cheap Atom/ION nettop for ~$200, install XBMC (live, ubuntu, win7, doesn't matter) and go to town.

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Showered (1443719) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562304)

Not trolling, but how's 1080p x264 playback with that setup? I have a Popcorn Hour A100 (old-school) that does it all except DTS audio... :\

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (4, Informative)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562472)

Not trolling, but how's 1080p x264 playback with that setup? I have a Popcorn Hour A100 (old-school) that does it all except DTS audio... :\

Fantastic.

The important bit to note is the ION. If you have a NVidia GPU, you can use the Live or Linux (And at this point, I think the Windows version supports GPU acceleration) versions, and if you enable VDPAU (Or the Windows equivalent), and it will happily accelerate the video. I get full 1080p playback with no dropped frames or stuttering on a Asus AspireRevo that is almost completely silent.

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (2, Insightful)

Radish03 (248960) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562722)

You are correct about the windows version, however currently only the new beta (and previous nightly builds) support GPU acceleration. The beta seems pretty solid and has yet to give me any problems. I'm presently running it with win7 on an acer revo 3610, and it's working very well.

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562934)

100%. Perfect. Ion. Chipsets. Rock

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562984)

Popcorn Hour A100 (old-school) that does it all except DTS audio... :\

The A-100 will pass the DTS signal via optical or HDMI for your receiver to decode which is generally what you'd do with a DTS signal. It doesn't have a license to decode it internally and send it to its analog audio (L+R) outputs.

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (1)

rasjani (97395) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562412)

Well, boxee software is a fork of xbmc .. Aaand, it's just more "couch-friendly" compared to plain xbmc.

And software is freely available so there's no real reason to get their hardware unless you actually want it..

MythTV ? (1)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563096)

Wasn't MythTV headed down this path for many years? The "all in one" solution...

Is that project dead now, replaced by all these other alternatives? I've used MythTV successfully for about 4 or 5 years, but I was thinking it's time to reinvest in my setup. Just not sure what's the best solution.

I don't think I'm looking to do anything too unconventional: DVR functionality, Music Jukebox, etc. Ideally it would be HD capable (mine isn't currently HD), and I like the idea of pulling stuff from the internet (besides just schedule information) - why not integrate with torrent downloading for the ultimate music and video library?

My question - do I even screw with MythTV anymore, or move onto something new?

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563112)

Seriously, the 'all in one' solution you dream of exists - in XBMC

Unless of course your "all" list includes an intelligently-designed UI

Re:'All in one media player' exists already... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563134)

Bingo. The solution already exists. Win7 is nice because the MediaCenter has a remote friendly Netflix client. I just have my remote set to be able to load XBMC, Hulu or MC based on what I want to watch. I put a cheap quite Gateway in the living room, but the Acer Revo that I have in my office works great. Both have HDMI out, so there is no fidgety problems with hooking up to the TV either.

My god. (2, Funny)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562114)

Design Fail! They need to fire whoever green lit that design...

Re:My god. (5, Funny)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562388)

I'm sure "they" asked for 3 designs. So the designer did just that.
1st) Designer pretentious wank, (The one he loved).
2nd) Standard Corporate Beige (the one they'll pick).
3rd) An awful one (they'll never want this one).

Management/"they" didn't like the pretentious one; but didn't want to be seen playing safe with the 2nd one. So what could they pick? The 3rd mental design.
Never design a "they'll never want this one" - They always want that one..

Re:My god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562650)

Agreed. This is a classic "Attention Whore" design.
Electronics are built to standard sizes and shapes for a reason. One of those reasons is so you can place them on top of one another. The Boxee is an overt fuck-up in the design world, and I don't give a shit how "cutting edge" and "cool" anyone thinks it is. The oddball design serves functional purpose whatsoever and only makes it harder to place the *#&#%! thing anywhere useful.

"not fit into any stereo component rack..." (3, Interesting)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562120)

And for that reason alone I won't get it. I love the idea but more than sick of "edgy" for its own sake. Mebbe I can come up with a new business that creates a case it will slide into allowing it to fit on everyone's furniture.

Price point (2, Interesting)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562122)

I've love to see the Boxee Box succeed, but its price point is pretty high compared to its competitors. The WD TV Live set-top is half the price, and the Roku HD player is even less. A netflix/youtube enabled BluRay player is comparable in price, but includes the BluRay functionalities. Ditto for a PS3. I realize that the Boxee may have other functionalities that set it apart from the others, but I'm not sure if the average user will realize that.

Re:Price point (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562228)

You can easily get a TiVo HD (maybe refurbished) for that much. Dual HD tuners, supports Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, and more. You get the DVR function which is big.

A used PS3 would cost less than that, you'd get the BluRay/Netflix/Playstation Store/games.

I think the Roku was, at $100, a great price point. If I hadn't had my TiVo (which could do NetFlix) I would have happily bought one to watch NetFlix on my TV. Since they've dropped the price, it's even better now. The Apple TV is $100 now too. And even though both aren't the normal component shape, they're both small and can stack on top of things, making them easy to fit somewhere.

You already can (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562128)

I'd sure like to play with one as I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen

HTPC = every piece of media you have can be played from a single device.

With the advent of how powerful (and inexpensively) you can build miniITX systems now, plus being able to buy 2TB hard drives for around the $100-$110 mark, building an HTPC has never been cheaper, easier, or smaller.

Re:You already can (2, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562340)

this.

I was an early adopter for the older popcorn hour boxes. they were what you needed about 2 or 3 yrs ago. but now, things are truly fanless (mini-itx asus ION gfx chipset ftw) and can play anything. the popcorn box has a hardware solution but its software, well, still sucks after 3 yrs and they refuse to truly fix annoying bugs in their software (or, they simply cannot; they are not very good programmers and refuse to open their platform and get proper help).

set top boxes are 'get me by' boxes until pc's are all fanless and living-room silent. itx boxes are (or can be) but its still not as common as silent STB's.

still, stb's are on their way out for serious htpc guys. now that pc's can be silent AND also have video accel that keeps a+v in sync (sigh, finally) and does not drop frames, there is less of a reason for hardware closed-source stb's.

there will continue to be a split in userbase. like today, those that want turnkey solutions will buy cable boxes or rent them, etc. the rest of us will roll our own and use a silent pc for that.

Re:You already can (2, Informative)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562996)

Not even close for 99.99% of the population. Hell, I'm a tinkerer and have been for 30 years and I can't get a box to play everything that is also stable enough for my wife and daughter to use for more than a month or two without having to update or reset something.

Setup linux without ever having used the OS? Good fucking luck - you'll end up buying $200 extra in compatible components because you're almost guaranteed to get a device that isn't compiled into the standard kernel on the first try out. Especially if you want to use an old or wireless network card. Played many encrypted bluray discs recently (i.e. stick in your 6 year old's new BR from WalMart and have it play seamlessly?)

WMC can't play shit out of the box. Mkv? nope. FLAC? nope. Anything apple? nope. Sure, you can go get codec packs, but most cause as many problems as they solve. Shark mostly "just works," but you'd better strip out all the subtitles and extra audio streams from them, 'cause WMC can't choose either on the fly.

Apple? Right - you'd better just start recoding now.

Re:You already can (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563070)

Heck if you already have a decent PC and it's in the same room you can have a setup that plays everything for the price of a 25ft HDMI cable... (Studio apartments do have their advantages)

media box plug (2, Interesting)

Kludge (13653) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562132)

I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen.

This one works for me.
http://www.captiveworks.com/cw4000hd.php [captiveworks.com]

Re:media box plug (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562206)

Doesn't do Netflix Instant Streaming =(

Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

siliconbits (943161) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562232)

I find it supremely surprising that a 1.2GHz 45nm Atom processor with an integrated PowerVR SGX535 GPU can decode TWO 1080p full HD streams, something that a normal Atom CPU cannot achieve.... Anybody can shed some light here?

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562286)

You can find more info from either Intel [intel.com] or Ubergizmo [ubergizmo.com] .

In before the "google it" stampede.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (0, Troll)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562288)

"anyone can shed some light here?"

PFM.... Pure F*cking magic.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

BoberFett (127537) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562390)

No, you're thinking of magnets.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562758)

No, magnets work on miracles. Geez.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (4, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562326)

Hardware acceleration. The CE4100 is an integrated CPU + GPU package from what I can tell - the Atom core itself is kind of weak, but the integrated GPU on that particular part is what handles all of the heavy lifting for VC-1, MPEG-2, and H.264.

A normal Atom CPU can achieve the same thing when paired with a capable video chipset - however it usually doesn't have a capable video chipset paired to it.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

siliconbits (943161) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562436)

Even if that GPU is a PowerVR SGX535???? the same that's on the GMA500?

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33562380)

Block Diagram here. [hothardware.com]

That "Multi Format HW Decoder" block is probably Imagination Technologies' VXD core.

Re:Intel CE4100... Where Can I find more about it? (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562514)

Anandtech discusses this briefly in their article [anandtech.com] . Basically, it look like the CE4100 SoC includes a dedicated decoder in addition to the Atom and SGX535 cores, which is what allows it to decode two 1080P H.264 streams.

SGX doesn't decode 1080p (2, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562540)

SGX is a 3D accelerator only. I'm sure there is something in that system that is doing video acceleration, but the SGX isn't it.

Finally (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562298)

I've been waiting for this little guy since his first announcement.

I once tried compiling Boxee to run along side my mythbox, but eventually I gave up. It's fairly hopeless to compile outside of a debian system it would seem. However, at the time I really just wanted the application for desktop hulu support. Eventually, Hulu released the desktop app and I simply integrated this into my myth setup.

Now, the little unit is still somewhat appealing, but there are some fairly large flaws.

Even though I have the real estate to handle it's rather odd platform I would just rather not give up that space. Seriously, at some point didn't someone say you need to be a LITTLE conventional in the design. I'm also a little displeased with the remote because at this point it is clear to do anything meaningful I will need to use a keyboard. Those are some fairly obvious flaws in a set top design, but at least it isn't my money they are wasting.

I wonder if I can put mythtv on the hardware.....

Re:Finally (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562314)

To reply to myself...

I just noticed the remote is a keyboard.

Now, just need to make it look less like a modern art piece and more like a vanilla piece of av hardware.

Cutsie design (5, Interesting)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562318)

The case is a box, with one corner lopped so it sits at an angle (hence the part in the summary about how it won't fit in a rack.). As if this weren't enough to make it call attention to itself, the default color scheme is carbon and acid green.
        The design is meant to sell to people who want to show off how they have one, and create consumer envy as a way of moving more units. The problem is, some customers will be turned off by that - for example, they want a device that blends with the others in their viewing room. The color scheme makes this effect worse - after a certain point, the Boxee Box is already distinctive, and has caught the attention of that market share that values gadgets standing out from the crowd - so more distinction will only cost them customers. Acid green is a color that came into style briefly a few years ago, and is now dated to the people who have strong interior decorator modes and really care about such trends - using it this late in the trend cycle comes off a little like making the device in the customer's choice of Almond, Harvest Gold or Avocado.
        If they had kept the price under 200$, all that might have flown, with sales to the college dorm crowd and the general youth market, but with the new price point, the design is aimed at a slightly older demographic, one that will actually care about this sort of thing.
        As final proof that the Boxee Box isn't going to sell well, I'd buy one, even at the new price. It triggers geeklust in me. The very last tech-thing I bought was a Doctor Who Sonic Screwdriver replica (Matt Smith version). Does that sound like a real market exists?

Le Sigh (2, Funny)

Conception (212279) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562344)

*glances at my popbox*

*sighs*

Details from the article (3, Informative)

slapout (93640) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562350)

"Update: We just learned that Amazon will be selling it for $199, though the MSRP will remain $229.

At a rendezvous in San Francisco, Avner Ronen told us the decision to abandon Tegra 2 was about performance and nothing more: "The major problem we had with the Tegra 2 was support for high-profile HD playback," he said. "You can do high-profile VC-1 with Tegra 2, but not H.264." It was a problem of bitrate, he told us, and while NVIDIA's dual-core Tegra T20 was apparently not up to the task, the team had internally tested Intel's CE4100 decoding streams at up to 90 megabits per second. The newly revamped Boxee Box is now capable of 1080p H.264 playback at 60fps, and... well, that's actually about it."

Which media can't you play... (1)

djsmiley (752149) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562430)

Which media can't my HTPC linux system play again? Oh yeah wait there isn't any.

Transcode anything it doesn't understand. Simples really. Stupid post ftw.

Re:Which media can't you play... (1)

Stray7Xi (698337) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562878)

Which media can't my HTPC linux system play again? Oh yeah wait there isn't any.

Netflix

No analog outs? (0)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562442)

What if you have an older set that doesn't support HDMI, or doesn't support the HDMI handshake? This is something my parents would actually use, but their TV (HD ready Panasonic CRT) doesn't have any HDMI/DVI inputs..

Every piece of media played from a single device (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562460)

I guess connecting a PC to your TV is simply too complicated? Those HDMI cables can be a real pain, can't they?!

I'll know what someone will say, the mouse and keyboard is too clunky for the living room.

First, you don't need a keyboard for day-to-day use.

Second, a mouse is infinitely better in your living room than a remote.

I have my media mapped as drives. So I can access hundreds of movies or shows with only a few mouse clicks. Using Media Player Classic's scroll-bar I can instantly jump to any portion of the video I want. I can control the volume by simply scrolling the up wheel or down.

By the time you picked up your remote, looked at the remote to find the right buttons to click (you never have to look at a mouse), scrolled and clicked through various menus to finally find what you wanted, I'd have already been watching.

And because I'm using a PC, I can play any format the world gives me and not have to pray and wait for some firmware update.

And one last thing, my computer is whisper quiet, much quieter than my 360 or PS3.

Re:Every piece of media played from a single devic (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562604)

Second, a mouse is infinitely better in your living room than a remote.

I think many people would disagree with "better". A mouse is better at a computer interface than a remote but most people don't want a computer interface when dealing with a media center. If you're watching a show and you decide to fast forward, how do you do that with a mouse? Program alternate buttons? Also with a mouse you need some sort of surface. Some people don't have coffee tables or end tables and that's how they like it. Most consumers use remotes because it's rather simplified. A mouse while workable isn't what they want.

Re:Every piece of media played from a single devic (1, Informative)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562724)

"A mouse is better at a computer interface than a remote but most people don't want a computer interface when dealing with a media center"

But a computer in your living room necessarily is a computer interface. So what's the problem. And I don't care what "most people" think or want. Most people are idiots.

"If you're watching a show and you decide to fast forward, how do you do that with a mouse?"

God, can't you read?! I specifically addressed that. You use the scroll bar feature on the bottom of Media Player Classic.

"Also with a mouse you need some sort of surface."

The arm of the chair. Next to me on the couch. My leg. On the floor. We keep two blu-tooth mice around like remotes.

"Most consumers use remotes because it's rather simplified."

I've already explained how using a mouse is more simple. I can double click an icon on my "desktop" it opens and I have access to hundreds of movies. I then use the scroll wheel to find the one I want, double click it, and I'm watching. I can quickly skip through using the scroll bar on the button and not have to waste time fast forwarding or rewinding.

So I can access hundreds of movies or shows in under ten seconds. How fast could you do that with a remote?

"A mouse while workable isn't what they want."

Once again, I don't care what they want, but at least you agree that it's "workable."

Re:Every piece of media played from a single devic (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562952)

I'm marked "troll" because I succinctly defended my opinions? Is this what Slashdot has been reduced to?! God, I miss the old days before Digg.

Re:Every piece of media played from a single devic (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563042)

But a computer in your living room necessarily is a computer interface. So what's the problem. And I don't care what "most people" think or want. Most people are idiots.

A consumer device needs to cater to consumers, not you specifically. Remember most people can't tell the difference between xfs and X Windows. And they don't care. Technically the best efficient computer UI for me is a command line for me. But I don't think that is the best for everyone.

God, can't you read?! I specifically addressed that. You use the scroll bar feature on the bottom of Media Player Classic.

I didn't see that but can you see how most people don't want to do that?

I've already explained how using a mouse is more simple. I can double click an icon on my "desktop" it opens and I have access to hundreds of movies. I then use the scroll wheel to find the one I want, double click it, and I'm watching. I can quickly skip through using the scroll bar on the button and not have to waste time fast forwarding or rewinding.

Many people abhor computers. Putting a desktop on their TV is only going to turn them away from it. It might be less efficient that using a desktop to search hundreds of movies but what would be more efficient would be a command line. I however think a command line would really turn off consumers.

Once again, I don't care what they want, but at least you agree that it's "workable."

Again, you fall back to the same disregard of people. This is supposed to be a consumer device.

Here's a novel idea (5, Insightful)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562462)

It's a box right? You don't want it sitting slanted to one side?? Turn it on its side. NOW it'll fit into your AV Cabinet.

What do you mean "every piece of media"? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562480)

If you mean digital media, I suggest you look at the one I got -- HV335T. Got mine from New Egg. Awesome device. If I were to complain about it, though, it would be the really plain and really slow user interface. It doesn't play music back randomly. (Seriously, who doesn't turn on the shuffle/random when playing back MP3s?) I get the feeling this thing has a rather weak processor and low amounts of RAM... but it explains the sub $100 price tag (without hard drive). (I still hold out hope that some Linux hacker will build a new menu system and/or create a web interface for it.) Still, it plays everything including bluray images and other high-def content.

But if you mean vinyl records and VHS tapes? Yeesh.... yeah, never.

Re:What do you mean "every piece of media"? (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562822)

(Seriously, who doesn't turn on the shuffle/random when playing back MP3s?)

I don't... but then I tend to listen to music by choosing albums. If I want to hear a particular song I'll just start the album at that song. I have tried doing the random thing before; I just like to have more control over what I listen to I guess. Sometimes I create playlists that would seem random to others, but I choose songs based on certain criteria to group together (kind of like a good album but with multiple artists).

That said, I'm being a little facetious because I know most people like random, and it's useful to just set it and go if you want background music (which I don't normally like to do). That's something useful for parties, though, so it does seem odd to leave that out in the device you have, designed to be used in the part of the house where parties are held.

Interactive vs. noninteractive media (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562482)

I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen.

Especially because device makers insist on treating interactive media as fundamentally different from books, music, and video.

There is an "All in one Device" (1)

Jetrel (514839) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562528)

It's called SageTV. Runs on Linux, Windows, MacOS. It will play pratically any format you throw at it and keep chugging. Need to expand to another room well just buy an extender and run it wired or wireless. It is infinitively expandable with plugins and has a strong community of developers and hobbyist to help you along the way. Not to mention the form factor of it's extenders are to work and not be seen.
 

Re:There is an "All in one Device" (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563120)

The form factor is nice, but presuambly I'd need a different box to put my drives in? And it doesn't seem to do Netflix instant streaming?

cmdrtaco is a LIAR. (0, Offtopic)

Kristopeit, M. D. (1892582) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562554)

from cmdrtaco:

I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen.

from thinkgeek: [thinkgeek.com]

But what makes the Ultio so special you say? Simply put, it's got everything you want in a digital media player.

so which one is a lie, LIAR?

slashdot = stagnated.

Design fail (1)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562564)

This device's technical specs or price or whether it would fit in your cabinet are all completely irrelevant when it's so damn ugly. Who would look at one and say "I want to put one of those in my living room"?

Looks like it came out of Goatse's butt (1)

mandark1967 (630856) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562590)

I'm not really sure what people see in the boxee box...

The boxee box looks like ass, won't fit anywhere, and it expensive to boot.

Gimme a decently configured Atom Motherboard/CPU combo from the egg and a power supply, and I can throw that into the case of a dead DVD/VCR player to get the same capability in an aesthetically pleasing look. Probably at a cheaper price-point too.

Seedbox? NAS? (1)

lou2ser (458778) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562644)

Does anyone know if I can use the Boxee Box as a torrent seedbox? It'd be nice to have it download torrents and let me powerdown my laptop overnight. I'd also like to use it as a NAS so I can plug in a couple of 1TB drives and access the media from my laptop and maybe even an Apple Airplay device.

Plex or XBMC? (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562738)

I'd really like to see Plex [plexapp.com] hacked onto this device myself. Not all that keen on the boxee interface,but the Plex and XBMC interfaces are much nicer, esp with the skins available. Of course, with plex's recent announcement [plexapp.com] of a partnership with LG, maybe we'll see a dedicated box from LG too? david

Lust for the day? (2, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 3 years ago | (#33562978)

I lust for the day when every piece of media I have can be played from a single device. I suspect it'll never happen.

Um, I bought a Mac Mini in 2006 that does exactly that.

Disappointment runs rampant here (1)

Jstlook (1193309) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563012)

I for one initially thought it was some weird marketing idea from Boxxy [youtube.com] .
I was hopeful until I was enlightened.

The CE4100 makes this less interesting... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563022)

So, if my memory serves me, the CE4100 is basically a single core atom, fairly low clocked, paired with a GMA500-ish IGP for high definition video acceleration. Intel's driver support for the GMA500 absolutely sucks a mountain of ass through capillary tubing, since they didn't actually design the thing or get the rights to make an OSS driver for it on any reasonable timescale. The GMA950 and later are minimally capable; but at least X works.

At $229, The Boxee Box is starting to compare dangerously poorly with an EEE Top, or any of the other basic Atom Nettops, paired with a broadcom "crystalHD" video accelerator. Or, for just a bit more, you can get one of the dual core atom/CULV units, with a decent slab of RAM and have web browsing and modest multitasking actually work properly.

If they had stayed with the power-sipping ARM concept, they would have had something modestly interesting. The CE4100, though, makes them just another atom design, and there are already plenty of good ones out there.

still buggy? (2, Interesting)

Triv (181010) | more than 3 years ago | (#33563038)

I tried to use Boxee on the Mini attached to my TV for a good month before giving up in frustration - it was buggy as hell, crashed daily, refused to recognize any of my media without them being named in a maddeningly specific way and without them being organized in a manner that IMDB would be able to parse without any manual override. Practically every fix required a keyboard and mouse to implement which completely defeats my assumption of how a media center is supposed to work.

I'm assuming they've fixed these problems? Because as it stands, you'd be flat-out nuts to lay down 200 bucks for something like that.

WD Live TV Media Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33563048)

Is an awesome device. It can play just about any format you throw at it -- avi/mp4/mkv m2ts etc. It has a remote control. It connects to external usb hard drives. It networks. It can stream youtube. It's only about $140. It outputs HDMI. Seriously, when a 20GB "unofficial" blu-ray rip of Avatar looks flawless on this thing, you know you've got a good thing going.

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