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HTC Launches HD Phones and Updated Sense UI

samzenpus posted about 4 years ago | from the power-up dept.

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cgriffin21 writes "HTC on Wednesday confirmed two new Android smartphones, the HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z, that include what the vendor is calling an "enhanced version" of its HTC Sense user interface that includes everything from video editing software to a mapping tool. The HTC Sense's new features include the ability to record HD videos and edit images with various camera effects. HTC Locations, another new feature, provides on-demand mapping, and there's also an integrated e-reader and an e-book store powered by Kobo."

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fristage postage lol (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592056)

lol

Re:fristage postage lol (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592286)

lol

you're such a nigger I can't believe it

E-Readers in a phone (4, Interesting)

iONiUM (530420) | about 4 years ago | (#33592074)

This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (4, Insightful)

jgagnon (1663075) | about 4 years ago | (#33592186)

Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly. Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592306)

I wouldn't really be opposed to black and white on a phone for eInk. It would have to be at least 4 inches, though.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#33592394)

It would have to be at least 4 inches, though.

That's what she said!

Re:E-Readers in a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592610)

She must have pretty low standards.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 4 years ago | (#33592886)

I think she's selling herself short.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592974)

That's he said!

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#33593100)

Oh, come on now... if it was 7 inches, how would she fit it in her pocket?

Dual mode screens (2, Informative)

gilesjuk (604902) | about 4 years ago | (#33592700)

If someone can do an LCD with high contrast e-paper style screen and normal LCD functionality then they will solve that problem. Perhaps have the LCD flip out of the way to expose the e-paper screen underneath?

As for the Desire HD, 4.3" screen makes the device too big for me, I did some estimates on paper of its size. Any bigger than 4.3" and you'll have a phone approaching the footprint of a 3.5" hard disk.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#33592538)

you mean like the Pixel-Qi? It isn't quite as efficient as E-Ink (it doesn't have a no power mode), but it does color, is readable in sunlight and is fast enough even video,

http://www.pixelqi.com/

Yep, I am looking forwards to that on a smart-phone myself.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

jgagnon (1663075) | about 4 years ago | (#33592692)

Yeah, that would be a step in the right direction, but I'd have to test it out to know for sure. I just know that the screen on the Kindle is nearly perfect for long term reading (my longest stretch so far has been about 3 hours with zero eye strain, or at least no more than reading a newspaper or book).

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 4 years ago | (#33592794)

Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly.

Having read several full novels, and keeping a library of other reference books (both ePub and PDF) on my iPhone, and having worked with similar texts on netbook, laptop, and large-screen desktop LCD monitors, I have to say that the biggest issues with smartphone monitors are readability in direct sunlight and text size. The comfort issues with LCD screens in general aren't a big deal with phone-sized screens IME, while they are quite noticeable with netbook-size screens, and even more problematic with larger screens. I suspect that the problem is directly related to how much of your visual field is occupied by the bright background, which, even accounting for typical reading distance with each device, is much smaller with a phone than with a netbook, which is smaller than with a larger laptop or big desktop monitor.

(Which is, incidentally, why I'm not at all interested in an iPad as an eReader even though I'm happy enough with an iPhone in that role, even though the iPhone's screen size isn't great for some content. With a bigger screen, I definitely want e-Ink or something similar, not an emissive LCD.)

Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

Color e-Ink (or other reflective technology, like Qualcomm's "Mirasol") screens ought to be available this year or early next year (I know LG has announced plans to begin mass production on a 9.7" one this year, and I think there are others planned to hit the market next year.) But whether those screens will be in consumer targetted products or be used mostly for signage installations and other applications seems a bit less clear right now; the e-Reader price war seems to have cooled a lot of manufacturers interest in large format e-Readers aimed at the consumer marketplace, and I suspect that the same thing might apply to color e-Readers. (Though if Mirasol takes off for full-color displays, as I understand it, it probably means the end of the truly dedicated e-Reader market, since its not as slow as e-Ink and so there's no reason not to make "readers" using it more broadly functional; instead, you'll just get a tablet that's a good eReader, rather than just a tolerable one.)

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 4 years ago | (#33592814)

It appears you are in luck then...they have made color e-ink [businesswire.com] displays.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33593500)

Are those also so slow I have to remember to turn the page when I have read half of it?

Proper LCD use nicer than eInk for reading (0, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 years ago | (#33593140)

Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently)

I like the kindle but dislike the display. The contrast is too low for me to read with comfort.

LCD's are fine for reading ebooks - I have read a number of long eBooks. The most preferable is the iPhone 4 screen, because it is so crisp... the next is the iPad, because of the size.

The key to all LCD reading is that you need to pay as much attention to ambient light as you would with any kind of ink based reading. You wouldn't read a book in pitch black darkness, nor should you try with an LCD even though you can. If you have even a little illumination around you you can read an LCD indefinitely without strain.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Interesting)

knarf (34928) | about 4 years ago | (#33593560)

I've read thousands and thousands of pages on very normal LCD screens. I started using a Nokia N-Gage [wikipedia.org] which served me very well until its screen met an untimely end. It was replaced by a HTC Prophet [wikipedia.org] which I'm using to the current day. Both phones fit in my hand, making it possible to read anywhere and anytime. At night I use grey characters on a black background - backlight does have its advantages here - while during the day this scheme is reversed. As both phones have transflective screens it is possible to use them in full daylight, you just have to find the right angle to read the screen.

LCD might not be as *cool* as electronic paper but to dismiss it as unusable for electronic readers is silly. It works for me after all...

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Informative)

StikyPad (445176) | about 4 years ago | (#33593648)

Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

They prefer to be called "Polychromatic Microcapsule Displays" you insensitive clod.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 4 years ago | (#33592188)

I don't see this happening - at least not for power users (very casual users it's already happening to a degree). No phone can hold a candle to the storage space available on a home PC right now. You yourself already mentioned keyboards, mice, and monitors as things that you'd want to connect externally (because honestly, it's just more comfortable to use that way).

With that in mind, if you're going to be connecting a mouse, a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and storage externally to the phone . . . then why the heck are you hobbling yourself to a mobile processor with no real benefit? There's little cost incentive here - PC processors are cheap as dirt. I can only really see a novelty factor as any motivation for this.

Instead, I see a much bigger future for services like Dropbox and having them further integrate into our devices. I already use Dropbox on the 50GB plan to great extent. Most of my smaller files like my Documents and Photos folders are symlinked into my Dropbox folder. I can access and edit them from any of my devices without care.

In short, I see software solutions that make your choice of device a non-issue as being far more likely than going to a single device for everything.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592858)

Personally I think this is a great idea. Drop your mobile in the slot to work with a monitor, keyboard and mouse, plug it into something kindle-like to work as an e-reader. Plug it into a mount in your car for GPS guidance, and the whole time it's still a phone/camera/music player/etc. A keyboard and mouse are easier to use but if they aren't around you can still use the phone interface to surf the web or whatever. Prioritization would be key, so that in each situation the correct functionality trumps others; i.e. when used as a GPS the phone function takes over when making or receiving a call, and it would use power from whatever it is connected to to run and recharge. SSD type memory is growing fast and there is always the option to use online storage. The idea of always having my work and files and resources with me is cool, except for the possibility of losing or dropping it. Remember to backup!

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | about 4 years ago | (#33592208)

How long until they encroach on home PCs?

Well that depends on how you define a home PC. Would a cell phone that was plugged into a base station which provided a keyboard/interface and a large monitor-sized display be considered a PC or a cell phone? Would a PC that becomes so small that you can stick a monitor and wireless data receiver on it for voip be considered a phone?

In essence, if you are asking: Will significant numbers of people ever give up a monitor/keyboard/mouse or the equivalent in favor of using a 4.3" screen exclusively? The answer to that is no. Will we see some major advances in HIDs? Most likely, but you won't ever see the primary interface become a cell phone until the following are packaged into the phone:

1. A micro projector (spreadsheets, documents, and the like require a much larger display than a cell phone)
2. A projection keyboard. (8 finger + thumb typing would be necessary to even get close to the interface speed of a home PC)
3. A projection trackpad. (Tracks your finger motions over a flat surface as if it were a standard trackpad)

Essentially, you have to figure out a way to decouple the display and the interface. You then have to expand them so that they are of a size which is comparable to a standard PC/laptop. Without that, you will not see any real encroachment since the current limitations of a cell phone make it highly insufficient as a replacement.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | about 4 years ago | (#33592430)

To quote Gin Rummy (As voiced by Samuel L. Jackson), "just because you put a two-way pager in the middle of your desk don't mean its a computer. its a two-way pager." A "smart phone" in a similar configuration is still the same deal. Nothing anyone has typed with their thumbs has ever been important.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33592658)

You had better be the one to tell my boss those ssh sessions fixing servers were not important.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

True Vox (841523) | about 4 years ago | (#33593710)

First, let me say that I fully agree with you, IndustrialComplex. I have good news for you, in fact.

1. A micro projector (spreadsheets, documents, and the like require a much larger display than a cell phone) [bitrebels.com]
2. A projection keyboard. (8 finger + thumb typing would be necessary to even get close to the interface speed of a home PC) [thinkgeek.com]
3. A projection trackpad. (Tracks your finger motions over a flat surface as if it were a standard trackpad) [youtube.com]

Now, granted, 3 isn't a projection trackpad, but it should work just about as well, I'd think. Heck, no reason solution 2 couldn't be used for 3 as well. [wikipedia.org] We're not there yet, but we're DAMN CLOSE! Just a bit more refining & miniaturization 'till it's all in the same device! Future ho!

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 4 years ago | (#33592222)

For myself, no emissive display cell phone will ever take place of a reflective display e-reader (or a physical book for that matter). I spend far too much time staring at a computer screen throughout the day, when I lay down in bed to read for an hour the last thing I want is an emissive screen shining straight into my eyes. First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already).

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | about 4 years ago | (#33592360)

I agree, my backlit LCD phone display is completely unreadable in direct sunlight, but what about a display that does both [geek.com] emmisive and reflective well?

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Interesting)

NiteShaed (315799) | about 4 years ago | (#33592420)

I'll take the opposing position :)

I like reading in the dark. Maybe sitting out on my deck before I call it a day, maybe lying in bed before I go to sleep, but I just don't want to turn on a separate light, therefore, a backlit screen is an absolute must-have. I also tend to read whenever I have a spare second, making my phone the ideal gizmo since it's always with me. Up until now, my phone just was never up to the task (battery life/small screen), so I went through a variety of devices to deliver my precious ebooks (Casio Casiopia, Compaq iPaq, HP iPaq, iPod). Now I have an HTC Evo, which is the biggest screen I've had for an ereader, and I love it.

First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already)

I'm lucky when it comes to the eyestrain thing, it just doesn't seem to bother me much. Wouldn't a bedside lamp, or booklight or whatever you're using cause the same problems with circadian rhythms? If not, what makes it different? (Again, that's not something I've ever really thought of, I'm lucky enough to sleep like a log whenever I close my eyes).

Anyway, I'm certainly not arguing about your choice, different solutions for different people. I imagine if I had the same requirements as you, I'd probably really like the Kindle or Nook.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (2, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 4 years ago | (#33592582)

White light coming off a screen is a cooler light, with more of the blues that fire off your body's "it's daytime" responses. An incandescent bulb (and even a 'warm light' CFL) have more reds and yellows which have less effect on your body. For a lot (probably the vast majority) of people it probably doesn't matter much but I have trouble falling asleep before 3AM as it is, even being careful about all the things that people who have sleep issues should be careful about. I imagine that it would be possible to create a utility to make your phone's screen warmer at night and cooler during the day, I have similar software installed on my computers at home, but I haven't seen anything for phones that does so.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

NiteShaed (315799) | about 4 years ago | (#33592834)

if you weren't replying to me, I'd mod that interesting :)

Would the background color on a reader be enough to make a difference, or is this more specifically related to how the backlight is done (eg: LED vs fluorescent)

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 4 years ago | (#33592984)

Changing the background color helps but light still gets through, put your monitor to an all black screen and turn out the lights and it's still bright even in most cases to see by (unless you've got one of those fancy ones that automatically turn off part or all of the back light... but I digress). I would think if you switched the e-reader app to be white text on black background (which is IMO easier to read anyway) it wouldn't be so bad. The Android Kindle app allows that but like I said, I have some major sleep issues and if I'm falling asleep by 3AM I'm not going to do anything to risk that.

So Delicate You Are! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592488)

For myself, no emissive display cell phone will ever take place of a reflective display e-reader (or a physical book for that matter). I spend far too much time staring at a computer screen throughout the day, when I lay down in bed to read for an hour the last thing I want is an emissive screen shining straight into my eyes. First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already).

are you always this much of a pussy? quick, somebody call Toby (a gay name to begin with) a whaaaambulance!

YOU ARE AN IDIOT !! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592422)

If you can do "all you want" on a phone, imagine what WE CAN DO on a real computing device !! You go play with your Yugo-inspired phone and I'll do anything and everything I want on my REAL machine !!

There be bozos up in here !!

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

guru42101 (851700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592468)

I already use my EVO as an e-reader. I use Aldiko and with it I can read books from feedbooks. Lots of public domain classics that I never got around to reading. Now I've finished off a huge chunk of Kipling, Wells, Emerson, and several other authors. It is quite nice when I have time to burn and nothing else to do.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 4 years ago | (#33592484)

Um, you do know that certain smartphones have had e-readers (such as Stanza) available for, well, quite a long while now, right? This isn't remotely new so I do hope you're just talking about it in a larger, philosophical sense of "wow, smartphones really are becoming a lot more than just a phone"...

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 4 years ago | (#33592522)

This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers.

Ereader software on phones is not new. B&N and Amazon have had e-reader software tied to their bookstores (and capable of importing outside content) for iOS and Android for quite some time, and e-Reader software from other vendors (e.g., Lexcycle Stanza) has also been available. Plus, lots of ebooks are available for sale as apps in Apple's App Store (I don't know if the same is true for Android.)

Re:E-Readers in a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592644)

Well lets see actually there have been ereader apps for cellphones long predating the origin of dedicated ereaders.... If anything the ereaders are encroaching on the phones... ha

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 4 years ago | (#33592920)

It's not new. Amazon has had Kindle software for a while now, for iPhones, Blackberries, Android phones, and even desktop machines.

To me, this has been one of the things that Amazon has done right with the Kindle-- they made it so if you buy a book, you can access it almost anywhere. Of course, there's still the question of whether you want to read a book on a 3" LCD screen...

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

t0qer (230538) | about 4 years ago | (#33592942)

It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

I'm sold on my phone. It has VNC, SSH, and a slide out keyboard. I have a choice between sitting inside at work at a PC browsing the web, or sitting outside on my phone. Guess which one I pick every night?

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 4 years ago | (#33592996)

I started reading ebooks on a Palm 128 years ago, I'm now up to an HTC HD2. There's several good apps to do that, including Opera, which lets you use custom colors and styles (white text on a black background works best for me, and it's classy, too).

I like the smallish form factor, the always-with-me utility, the fact I can unobtrusively read one-handed in the subway, while waiting at the supermarket... and having to carry around only ONE device for phone + mp3 player + radio + ereader + emergency web stuff + PIM.

I'd love a bigger, better screen, but 4.3" LCD, once tweaked ot my tastes, is good enough. A separate device would be too much of a bother. I'd love a 5" Dell Streak, though, except it seems the sound output is extremely bad.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | about 4 years ago | (#33593256)

I started reading ebooks on a Palm 128 years ago

I didn't think they had PDAs that long ago. Also, what's your secret to long life?

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

itsdapead (734413) | about 4 years ago | (#33593356)

This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

I think they started to encroach on home PCs as soon as they could read email, browse the web and play games.

Dedicated e-readers only exist because current e-ink screens are brilliant for prolonged reading but utterly useless for anything that moves (games, movies, multitouch UIs...) meaning that they're no good for phones and tablets. Once display technology comes up with something that combines the clarity of e-ink with LCD response times, bye-bye e-readers.

I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

The problem with that is that you're carrying all your data around on your phone - so (a) if you lose your phone you're really screwed and (b) so far, 3.5" hard drives are still offering the best bytes-per-buck.

The other issue is that software designed for a shirt pocket sized phone may not be the ideal software for your 30" home PC screen and keyboard, nor does your phone need a graphics processor that can play <latest game> at 1080p. So if you're not running the same software, and have to keep backing up your phone anyway, why try to combine the two in one?

More sensible would be to have all your data on your "home server" or out in the cloud, shared between your PC, phone and tablet via the series of tubes - maybe with some intelligent caching on the phone to smooth over those reception black spots.

Re:E-Readers in a phone (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33593530)

The problem with that is that you're carrying all your data around on your phone - so (a) if you lose your phone you're really screwed .

This is an argument for backups not larger storage devices.

the other issue is that software designed for a shirt pocket sized phone may not be the ideal software for your 30" home PC screen and keyboard, nor does your phone need a graphics processor that can play at 1080p. So if you're not running the same software, and have to keep backing up your phone anyway, why try to combine the two in one?

A terminal looks the same on both, and you should be backing up every computing device. Rsync can do that automagically.

Not available in US until next year? (2, Informative)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 4 years ago | (#33592102)

According to the article, both versions will be available in Europe and Asia in October. Only the "Z" version will hit the US this year though. Gotta say that's disappointing. My next upgrade becomes available December 15th, and the "Desire HD" looks to best every other Android handset out right now. I really, really hope that some version of that phone hits Verizon before or really soon after that date.

Re:Not available in US until next year? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592492)

Desire HD is basically an Evo 4G. A bit better (more RAM), with HSPA instead of WiMax, but very similar.
Desire Z is the T-Mobile G2.
So you are not missing anything in the US. We can't say the same in Canada. We have no Droid X/2, no Evo 4G, and we won't get any of these European/Asian phone this year since we use different frequencies. At least we got the Galaxy S no too much after everybody else. On average we are about 6 months late.

Re:Not available in US until next year? (1)

ThermalRunaway (1766412) | about 4 years ago | (#33593092)

The Fascinate (Samsung) looks pretty good on VZ as well. Ya, there is that stupid Bing problem right now, but there are several ways around it. If you use a custom launcher (like LauncherPro) you can get the Google widget.

Also, rooting is very simple, and you can remove all the Bing crap, plus load custom mods, etc. The screen is quite nice as well, and its super thin. I found the EVO a bit too bit, so the Facinate's slightly smaller screen is a perfect compromise.

That said, rumors keep popping up about VZ's LTE network coming online towards the end of the year. I get my upgrade in Nov, but might hold off and see if any 4G handsets start showing up...

Re:Not available in US until next year? (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 4 years ago | (#33593106)

The "Z" is basically the T-Mobile G2, and the "Desire HD" is basically the EVO 4G, already available in the US.

HTC and MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592116)

Support MS patents, buy HTC!

Re:HTC and MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592192)

Explain. Not trolling, just curious.

Re:HTC and MS (3, Interesting)

alvinrod (889928) | about 4 years ago | (#33592388)

Microsoft sued HTC over the use of MS patents in HTC's mobile phones that were running Android, much the same way that Apple has an ongoing suit against HTC. HTC decided to license the patents from Microsoft so it's likely that Microsoft gets paid for every Android phone that HTC sells. Here is the press release. [microsoft.com] It's reminiscent of how PC vendors paid Microsoft for every box sold, regardless of whether or not it had Windows installed. Different arrangements, but similar end results.

Some have speculated that depending on the agreements, it could be just as expensive for HTC to ship a phone with Android as it would be for them to ship one with Windows Phone 7. If Android doesn't have a price advantage it may put the two operating systems on more even ground, at least from HTC's perspective.

Re:HTC and MS (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592612)

Except Android sucks a lot less... I don't use either, but I've played with both, I'd pretty happily exchange my iPhone for an Android or vice-versa as carrier needs or whatever changed. I'd hate to have to use Win-Mob phone.

Re:HTC and MS (1)

Monchanger (637670) | about 4 years ago | (#33592464)

What AC was trying to convey with his usual 2nd grade vocabulary level was that HTC upsets the no-patent crowd by paying the ransom Microsoft demands [cnet.com] of Linux users for alleged patent infringement, thus creating a precedent and helping bid bad Redmond scare others.

Re:HTC and MS (3, Informative)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592654)

Out of court settlements don't create precedent. I'm no lawyer, but I'm certain of that. It's the functional equivalent of giving the bully your lunch money instead of fighting with him.

Re:HTC and MS (1)

Monchanger (637670) | about 4 years ago | (#33593086)

Oh, certainly! I like your analogy to explain my actual meaning as well.

PS- I didn't mean the legal definition of 'precedent' you correctly pointed out is irrelevant given the out-of-court settlement. Rather, I was using the English word, thefreedictionary.com defines as "1. a. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances". That the law uses the word to specify a similar but extended meaning provided for this clash of terms. If I were discussing the legal aspect of the ransom, rather than the moral one being objected to, I'd be wrong to use a legal term in such a context or one spanning the two without clarifying my meaning.

Re:HTC and MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33593178)

Very true, otherwise we could simply sue our friend for copyright infringement, settle out of court that the work will move into the public domain and claim that this precedent means that all copyright infringement cases should end with the work moving to the public domain.

HTC all the way (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33592134)

Especially when it comes to Android phones.

Re:HTC all the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592392)

and remember they were gold Microsoft partners not long ago!

Questions - Verizon's Droid X (1)

joe2tiger (1883232) | about 4 years ago | (#33592154)

I ordered Verizon's Droid X a few weeks ago, it should arrive next week. But I heard that Droid 2 has a discreet graphics component whereas the Droid X doesn't. Is this true? People who have the Droid X, are you happy with the phone?

Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592326)

As I understand it, the Droid 2 is basically the Droid X's guts placed into the original Droid. The Droid X does not feature a slide-out keyboard, instead going the soft keyboard route like the iPhone and the HTC Evo. Droid 2 brings back the original Droid form factor with some minor updates to the keyboard.

I'm pretty happy with the Droid X. I was lucky enough to get it in the first few weeks of its release. You'll get a lot of people griping about the bloatware, MotoBLUR stuff, and supposedly locked-down boot-loader. I don't really care about that; I can put whatever widgets I want on my 7 home screens, I ignore the features I don't want just like I've done with every other phone I've had, and I don't even care about rooting my phone... though that may change if they don't get Froyo pushed soon. Seriously, it's been "any day now" since launch.

Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33592710)

If you don't care about the locked down bootloader that is only because you have not seen the glory that is CyanogenMod 6.

Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 4 years ago | (#33593160)

The "Any day now" that lasts for months is typical of Verizon. They progress at a speed that makes the Government look speedy. One possible exception is their LTE deployment, but AFAIK that is also lagging behind their initial promises.

Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X (1)

imgod2u (812837) | about 4 years ago | (#33593090)

Both have the exact same chip inside. There's no such thing as a "discrete graphics processor" in mobile phones. It's all one chip.

Battery life? (3, Insightful)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 4 years ago | (#33592164)

So I see HTC and all the vendors are pushing hidef video and more features. However, I see the battery life is suffering on these phones. At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life? Unless your phone does nothing but make a few calls and the occasional email sync, it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

Re:Battery life? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592246)

Aftermarket batteries offer signifcant improvements.

However, performance is going to vary with different types of use.

Currently, I get around 3 to 4 days with my tp2

Re:Battery life? (5, Interesting)

drougie (36782) | about 4 years ago | (#33592298)

you sure about that? [batteryboss.org]

Re:Battery life? (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 4 years ago | (#33592828)

Mod him up. This is good stuff.

Re:Battery life? (2, Interesting)

chemicaldave (1776600) | about 4 years ago | (#33592472)

At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

Phone manufacturers have to weight the options between releasing better features that tax the battery or investing heavily in battery technology that very well may benefit competitors. Improvements to battery life based on engineering behind the battery itself need to come from the industry as a whole and not one manufacturer.

Re:Battery life? (2, Informative)

Threni (635302) | about 4 years ago | (#33592526)

> it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

It's easy - just use it as a phone. On stanby these things go for days. Because, you know, on standby all the flash, hi-def etc etc isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, because it's not being used.

Re:Battery life? (1)

alen (225700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592584)

you want battery and thin you get an iphone. you want power you get everything else. just like PC vs mac and everything else

Re:Battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592628)

The Droid X manages quite well. Much better then the EVO.

Re:Battery life? (4, Informative)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 4 years ago | (#33592750)

I get 3-4 days of medium/heavy use out of my Moto Droid as of the Froyo update, before that 4 days would have really been pushing it. It depends a lot on where you are and what kind of reception you are getting. I get my best battery life over the weekends when I spend a lot of time at home, slightly less during the week when I'm at work where the coverage inside is spotty, and abysmal (less than 1 day) if I'm somewhere with little to no coverage.

Re:Battery life? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33593146)

Wow, you must have a different def of heavy/moderate use than me. I get one day absolute tops (Moto Droid with Froyo), and that's on wifi 90%+ of the time and almost no talking, just some web browsing and email (and I don't get much of that, maybe send 10 per day, and receive maybe 20 at most). I don't even play any games on it anymore. I think I might get 3 or 4 days without charging if I just left it alone and didn't read any email or browse a single website. That being said, I'd still not want to live without it, and charging it up from dead to 100% doesn't take that long (I don't even notice it as a problem).

Re:Battery life? (2, Interesting)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 4 years ago | (#33593180)

Do you often go that long without charging, or are you saying you can go that long without charging? If you do, who don't you charge it at night?

(I'm not asking to set up an argument. I was just curious if there was a reason like "it's better for the battery" or something.)

Re:Battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592924)

If they would just drop the stupid ass java crap you would likely get another 25% battery life out of it. Just another reason the Iphone has superior battery life, it runs native code.

Re:Battery life? (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 4 years ago | (#33593206)

At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

When new technologies such as lithium-air batteries or useful fuel cells are developed. Battery tech is lagging so far behind the miniaturization of computer technology for Cell Phones that they just can't do anything about it, so they try and distract you with cool new time-wasting apps. I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.

HTC Sense vs Stock Android (2, Interesting)

rufus t firefly (35399) | about 4 years ago | (#33592206)

I have found that stock Android is pretty nice. HTC Sense is a good *looking* UI, but it suffers in some places. The stock mail client for stock 2.1 is much nicer than the sense variant, for example, and there are a number of other places where it looks like HTC tried to "reinvent the wheel" (with shiny chrome) for what appears to be little or no reason. Perhaps they're trying a little too hard to offer a differentiator on the software side...

I've been much happier with the stock android versions of 2.1 and 2.2 (thanks to CyanogenMod) on my HTC CDMA Hero, since switching from the stock firmware. (Doesn't exactly help that HTC orphaned OS support for that model before 2.2...)

Re:HTC Sense vs Stock Android (1)

MogNuts (97512) | about 4 years ago | (#33592608)

I'm with you. I love stock Android. Love the color scheme, the motif, everything. I can't stand Sense UI.

As for mail clients though, I found myself using the e-mail directly through the web browser. Love GMail's mobile version used through a web browser. Check it out. Now I never have to worry about anything ever being in sync.

Suffer in a BIG place - HTC Sense UI - (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33593458)

Pocket Answer+hangups.

AARRGGHH!!!!

HTC, Why oh why do you not put a fucking screen unlocker on one of the real hardware buttons of the phone instead of the touchscreen only?

I like to keep my HTC Desire in my shirt pocket. Whenever I get an incoming call, just simply reaching into the pocket to slide out the phone often touches the screen enough to answer and then hang up the call as I try to slide it out of my pocket.

The touchscreen unlock security pattern thingy also is PURE FAIL because of the "Emergency Call" hotbutton on the screen below the pattern. Sliding a ringing phone out of your shirt pocket with the touchscreen pattern soft-lock enabled will about half the time trigger the emergency call button instead and dial 911. Fuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

T-Mobile (1)

TopSpin (753) | about 4 years ago | (#33592288)

The HTC Desire Z is about to be released as the T-Mobile G2 later this month ($200ish with a plan.) The T-Mobile G2 will have the stock Android UI as did the G1 years ago.

http://g2.t-mobile.com/ [t-mobile.com]
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-announces-desire-z-qwerty-slider [androidcentral.com]

Re:T-Mobile (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33593254)

If my contract with verizon was over I would be buying that the day it shipped. I will be switching to t-mobile since it sure looks like verizon is done with the unlocked bootloader phones.

I want one! (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 4 years ago | (#33592374)

Wait, it costs how much?!

Damn, never mind *sob*

Re:I want one! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33593434)

If the phone price puts you off, no way can you afford the service.

I'm officially not a power user (2, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 4 years ago | (#33592404)

For the past 6 years or so, I would buy the latest greatest phone after my contract ran out. I was close to getting a Droid, then it occurred to me "do I really give a frak about HDMI ports and video on my phone?" I settled with an LG Ally I got for free and got to keep that extra $200 with ZERO regrets. I guess I'll have to stop posting here and watching more Antique's Roadshow now?

Re:I'm officially not a power user (1)

Paranatural (661514) | about 4 years ago | (#33593048)

I have Antiques Roadshow episodes on my brand-new EVO, the first smartphone I've ever gotten.

Re:I'm officially not a power user (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33593582)

If you like Antiques Roadshow, Pawnstars is pretty good. Sure too much reality TV going on, but the stuff they have come into the shop is really neat. I think it is on History Channel, but I don't have cable and watch it on netflix.

A confusing market (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 4 years ago | (#33592486)

It looks like we're starting to see (to a greater degree) new phones coming out too quickly to match the market.

I've no idea about statistics, but I imagine that most people get a discount on their phone by signing up for two years. If new and better phones are coming out every six months, this is going to cause a problem under the current plans. It wasn't as bad with PCs and laptops, simply because people aren't locked into using them for the duration of a contract. I think it's great that my snazzy new phone is going to be less than that only a few months after I bought it, but I'm not even going to consider any kind of upgrade until my contract allows me to.

Updates for existing HTC phones? (1)

BcNexus (826974) | about 4 years ago | (#33592500)

I'd pay for an officially supported updated HTC Sense for an existing phone.

Can I? No? iPhone users can upgrade iOS on existing devices. Why can't I do the same with HTC Sense?

Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592718)

I don't know that upgrading is such a good thing. I put iOS4 on my iPhone 3G and its a dog. Slower response, worse battery life, and every app crashes.

Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? (5, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592760)

Because Apple in investing in the platform, HTC is making a phone. It's not a better or worse model per se, but Apple is trying to build an ecosystem: get a Mac, and iPhone, an Apple TV, maybe an iPod Shuffle for when the phone is more than you need... replace them all every 3-4 years, and we'll provide pretty good support and updates for around that time frame. Brand loyalty keeps you buying into the ecosystem. HTC is trying to sell you a phone. Right now. Now another one. Now another one. They always want to have the biggest and best numbers they can, because they know that if they don't you'll buy a Motorola instead.

It's two different business models.

Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? (1)

BcNexus (826974) | about 4 years ago | (#33593378)

I'll be damned then. I want to buy into Apple's "We're selling a platform" model but without their walled-garden application eco-system and without being tied to the AT&T network.

To anyone who would ask, the answer is "No, I don't want to jailbreak. I won't jailbreak." Because if I buy an i-device while Apple is still enforcing their walled-graden, it looks like to them that I support it. But I don't. And I won't.

In short, I want great apps and upgrades available for HTC devices like what are available for iOS devices. Unfortunately that's not in the cards for me, because, like you said, HTC doesn't roll that way.

Powerful (1)

Wowsers (1151731) | about 4 years ago | (#33592510)

Would be more descriptive to say that they launched some new features that drain the phones battery even faster.

Now, I have a Android HTC to replace a ancient dumb phone. Excuse my ignorance, but it's my first smart phone... and it took me by the second day of ownership that switching off the Bluetooth, GPS, Wi-Fi and other enabled stuff saved a tonne of battery power. They may be smart phones, but they really do need more battery power packed in to the phone.

I am waiting for Verizon 4G - Dec 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592546)

No interest in anything new until Verizon 4G comes out later this year with 4G SIM enabled phones. All of these phones will be useless when 4G comes out - on Verizon. (As for Sprint users on 4G, great. BTW, AT&T won't be ready till 2011-2012.)

why haven't these guys figured out branding (1)

alen (225700) | about 4 years ago | (#33592572)

car companies went to stable brand names years ago where each car has a name and a year to show when it was made. Apple is close with the iPhone. Verizon is learning with the Droid.

why can't Samsung and HTC figure this out and stop the constant stream of new phone names every month? cell phones are as much fashion accessories/penis extenders as tools and having the cool phone is important. if you release new phones constantly then the old one is forgotten and kids and others who are your biggest customers will buy the competition.

Is it possible to get a Sense GUI based SDK? (1)

Picass0 (147474) | about 4 years ago | (#33592648)

TSIA

frowst 4ist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592778)

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Y OU FAIL IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33592844)

am prot%3sting

pay as you go (2, Interesting)

Lord Ender (156273) | about 4 years ago | (#33593094)

Where are Android phones that work with the pay-as-you-go, or at least low-cost plans? Virgin Mobile has LG smartphones with $25/month plans, but if you want Android, nobody offers anything at less than $60/month.

Re:pay as you go (1)

cos(0) (455098) | about 4 years ago | (#33593262)

Boost Mobile offers at least one: Motorola i1 [boostmobilestore.com] . It even supports push-to-talk.

Re:pay as you go (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | about 4 years ago | (#33593310)

That's still $50 per month. It's way too much money for infrequent users.

Re:pay as you go (1)

cos(0) (455098) | about 4 years ago | (#33593678)

$50/mo is for unlimited talk and SMS. Infrequent users can opt to pay a nickel per minute and per SMS message.

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