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Samsung's Galaxy Tab Android Tablet Now Official

timothy posted about 4 years ago | from the looks-delicious dept.

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itwbennett writes "Samsung held a media event Thursday introducing the Galaxy Tab, and making official what we've already known for weeks, says blogger Peter Smith. 'We still don't have a price or a concrete ship date (though definitely this fall; Samsung says it'll be available for the holiday season),' says Smith. 'It'll ship with Android 2.2 (Froyo), runs Flash, has a 1Ghz Hummingbird CPU, 16GB of memory, a 7" LCD (1204 x 600 ) screen and weighs about 13 ounces. They're claiming a 7-hour battery life. Two cameras: a front-facing 1.3 megapixel, and a back-facing 3 megapixel. It has an HDMI port and will also share media to DLNA devices on the same network.'" Engadget adds some video footage.

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Price (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609430)

Crucial missing information in the summary:
Amazon UK is reporting an MSRP of 799.99, and Amazon US has a listing for $835.18. Unless is bad info, this thing is DOA.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

GordonBX (1059078) | about 4 years ago | (#33609478)

Agreed. The one thing that gets forgotten in the hullabaloo about the iPad is that when it was announced, the prices were significantly cheaper than many people had been expecting, and that this caught a lot of the 'me-too' manufacturers off guard. If the Galaxy is more expensive than an equivalent spec iPad, then not only does it lose out to the 'buy the cheapest' crowd, it also gives Apple ammunition to say: "see: we aren't expensive". TBH though, because of the app-store lock-in, Apple ought to be able to virtually give-away iPads and still make lots of money, so I can see this battle going on for a good while yet.

Re:Price (3, Interesting)

h4rm0ny (722443) | about 4 years ago | (#33609872)

TBH though, because of the app-store lock-in, Apple ought to be able to virtually give-away iPads and still make lots of money, so I can see this battle going on for a good while yet.

Yeah, the specs are interesting, but we need the price to judge whether we might want one or not. That said, I quoted the part of your post I did because buried in the article is a more interesting little nugget: Samsung are throwing in an iTunes competitor through which you can buy and watch TV shows, movies, etc. Now taking on iTunes is a lot more interesting to some of us than taking on the iPad. If the sodding thing has a decent catalogue, decent quality and will let you buffer the movie unlike that bloody LoveFilm site, then it might have got my interest.

Re:Price (5, Informative)

jkoke (1112287) | about 4 years ago | (#33609972)

No buffering, according to this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100917/tc_pcworld/samsunggalaxytabfaq [yahoo.com]

"All content from the Media Hub is offered as downloads over Wi-Fi. There will be no online streaming through the Samsung Media Hub."

Re:Price (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | about 4 years ago | (#33610098)

I hope you get a nice +6 Informative for that post. The article you linked to is far more useful than the one in TFS. I particularly liked this bit:

All content from the Media Hub is offered as downloads over Wi-Fi. There will be no online streaming through the Samsung Media Hub.

You will be able to share rented or purchased Media Hub content between five Samsung devices under one account. At launch, Samsung Media Hub will work on select Samsung smartphones and the Galaxy Tab. There are future plans to make Media Hub available on Samsung PCs as well.

Samsung would not comment on whether Media Hub would be coming to its Internet-connect HDTVs.

Though the article also mentions the 1080P capability. Am I being daft or is 1080P pointless on a 1024x600 pixel screen? Or does it mean you can hook it up to a HD television set / monitor and play 1080P content that way?

Re:Price (4, Informative)

jcupitt65 (68879) | about 4 years ago | (#33609512)

Do you mean this?

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-7-Inch-UMPC-with-Touchscreen/dp/B001TZVW8E [amazon.com] 1 new from $835.18

That's not the same product, that's a winxp thing with a hard drive.

Re:Price (1)

dk90406 (797452) | about 4 years ago | (#33609744)

All price indications I have seen show that it is going to be very expensive without a contract. In the Euro 800+ range. That is twice as much as I am willing to pay for a device that may be fun or cool, but I don't basically need.

Re:Price (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 4 years ago | (#33609916)

This is the type of tablet that existed for a few years now and never took off because a finger/stylus is not a mouse?

Now, I am expecting a lot from Android, but it is just about ready for smartphones. Do anyone really thinks it is going to play well with a 7" tablet? I mean, it is going to be much better than Windows, for sure, but it is going to be anywhere as useable as an iPad?

In my view, a bigger screen means different usage. And different usage mean different UI.

Re:Price (2, Interesting)

TechOgre (587151) | about 4 years ago | (#33609824)

With a much smaller screen (7" vs 9.7") it had better be much cheaper, like half the price of the ipad.

Re:Price (1, Funny)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 4 years ago | (#33610168)

Ah, but it's a cell phone, so you'll be able to get it for cheap. With a multi-thousand dollar cell phone contract and locked down, of course.

Awesome (1, Funny)

cappp (1822388) | about 4 years ago | (#33609446)

So now I can honestly tell the ladies I regularly have 7'' in hand

Re:Awesome (2, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 4 years ago | (#33609554)

So now I can honestly tell the ladies I regularly have 7'' in hand

Hang out at the YMCA and you can make this true without buying a tablet

Re:Awesome (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 4 years ago | (#33609560)

So now I can honestly tell the ladies I regularly have 7'' in hand

7" is below average range's top.

The joke size starts officially at 22cm (8"?). It's all in the copy of "BE A MAN!" manual that was given to you upon reaching puberty.

Re:Awesome (1)

cappp (1822388) | about 4 years ago | (#33609598)

Ahh but thats part of the meta-joke isn't it - thinking you're making a hilarious funny based on using this outlandishly huge size...which really isn't.

This is exactly why I sucked as class clown.

Re:Awesome (0, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | about 4 years ago | (#33609798)

also the fact that you think pointing out that you regularly play with yourself is going to be attractive to the ladies.

Re:Awesome (0, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33609886)

also the fact that you think pointing out that you regularly play with yourself is going to be attractive to the ladies.

If it hasn't been attractive to any of the ladies for you, then you've been talking to the wrong ladies.

Re:Awesome (-1, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | about 4 years ago | (#33609982)

I have to say that I don't regularly discuss this matter with .. anyone? Also, I'm not a big fan of sluts.

Re:Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33610024)

Ooh, Mr. High and Mighty!

Re:Awesome (0, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | about 4 years ago | (#33610138)

Better than Mr So Desperate I'll Take Anything :p

Re:Awesome (0, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33610104)

A girl that likes to help (or watch) isn't automatically a slut. Remember folks, it's only kinky the first time!

Re:Awesome (0, Offtopic)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 4 years ago | (#33610038)

I think your finger slid over when you tried to type "a" above.

bah (0)

ohiovr (1859814) | about 4 years ago | (#33609454)

no wifi

Re:bah (2, Informative)

quantumplacet (1195335) | about 4 years ago | (#33609472)

Umm, there's definitely WiFi, no one in their right mind would release a tablet without it. There's however no WiFi only version, they all have a 3G antenna.

Re:bah (2, Informative)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 4 years ago | (#33609504)

I think it has to have 3G in order to qualify for the Android Marketplace.

On the other hand, iOS App Store doesn't need 3G (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33609582)

I think it has to have 3G in order to qualify for the Android Marketplace.

Here's a citation for this claim [dailywireless.org] . It just goes to boost GordonBX's claim [slashdot.org] that Android makes Apple look cheap.

Re:On the other hand, iOS App Store doesn't need 3 (2, Interesting)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 4 years ago | (#33609788)

Apple did have a huge advantage on price, they could order as many processors and as much RAM as they liked for the iPad knowing that if it didn't sell, they could just use them in the iPhone 4. No-one else has that kind of leverage on component prices, and no-one else has an established cash cow like the App Store. Android is playing catch-up on this, but I expect that Google will sort out the tablet issues soon and the Market will open up to WiFi tablets. It's mainly a matter of them realising that no-one wants to make or buy a tablet running ChromeOS.

Re:On the other hand, iOS App Store doesn't need 3 (5, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 4 years ago | (#33610026)

I dunno, if it's true (and it seems to be) that you have to have a phone data plan to access the Android App Store, that's going to be a huge impact on the tablet/PDA market. The sales numbers on iPod Touch indicate that while tablet and phones are both more popular, there's a pretty big market for unconnected phone sized devices (PDAs essentially). That's two markets Android is essentially cutting itself out of by making people pay an unnecessary monthly fee. Google needs to change that pronto if they want to get into this market.

Galaxy Tab, Galaxy S, and Android vs. ChromeOS (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33610178)

they could order as many processors and as much RAM as they liked for the iPad knowing that if it didn't sell, they could just use them in the iPhone 4.

And Samsung can use spare Galaxy Tab chips in its Galaxy S phones.

It's mainly a matter of them realising that no-one wants to make or buy a tablet running ChromeOS.

To help Google realize that an "Android pod touch" could be profitable, someone might have to make the same app in Java for Android and in JavaScript for ChromeOS and show that the ChromeOS version is more unwieldy than the Android version.

Re:bah (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 4 years ago | (#33609840)

Doesn't it have to be a PHONE (as in voice) in order to qualify? In other words, the Galaxy Tab US version either won't have access to the Market, or it will create precedent for all other tablet manufacturers to get Market access as well...

Re:bah (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 4 years ago | (#33609870)

I think it has to have 3G in order to qualify for the Android Marketplace.

Unless you download the hacked app and connect by wifi.

Re:bah (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 4 years ago | (#33609906)

I wish Google would do the smart thing and make jailbreaking really easy. Then, whoever wants to live within the safe walled garden of approved and audited apps can do so, but smart folks can just enter some codes and get a fully-functioning, hackable, crackable, exploitable computer.

Re:bah (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33610054)

Google makes it easy... Manufacturers make it hard.

Re:bah (1)

Etiko (1391455) | about 4 years ago | (#33609538)

I played around with a dev model of this and it definitely has Wifi.

Re:bah (1)

Xest (935314) | about 4 years ago | (#33609694)

The summary doesn't contain the full set of specs, it definitely has wifi in the full specs.

Unlike The IPad... (2, Insightful)

MogNuts (97512) | about 4 years ago | (#33609466)

Hey, unlike the IPad, a tablet that is actually useful!

I'm looking forward to using that Android app that puts anything on screen (everything, not just video) and pipes it out the HDMI to another device, like an HDTV. I could see this being a truly useful device.

Re:Unlike The IPad... (2, Informative)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 4 years ago | (#33609584)

I'm looking forward to using that Android app that puts anything on screen (everything, not just video) and pipes it out the HDMI to another device, like an HDTV. I could see this being a truly useful device.

Doesn't the Archos 5IT do that by default? Plug the charger thingie, plug the video cable to tv and... I think that's all.

(disclaimer: It might be a false memory for having watched movies with it. I can't test now.)

Re:Unlike The IPad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609914)

16 GB though, what is this, 2002?

Re:Unlike The IPad... (2, Interesting)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | about 4 years ago | (#33609934)

methinks you suffer from an acute lack of imagination and inspiration if you can't do something useful with your iPad. That said, I have a Galaxy S (which shares a lot with the Galaxy Tab) and it's a nice little piece of hardware with a few flaws:

  • Not as responsive as the specs indicate - I eventually rooted my Galaxy S in order to reduce the lagging to a tolerable level.
  • GPS falls out after some uptime. This is supposedly fixed in the Froyo update.

That said, the Android platform is coming along nicely and I much prefer the Android openness to Apple's strategically founded App Store policies. I just wish you had more imagination. :)

Eh (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33609470)

I mean, it looks awesome, but the screen resolution is a bit disappointing. Then again it is a 7 incher, so...

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609590)

It's close to 200ppi, lot more than the ipad has.

Re:Eh (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33609912)

I'm not talking about image quality, I'm talking about how much you can see at once.

Browsing the internet at 1024x600 can leave a lot to be desired, depending on which websites you visit.

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33610036)

130 for the ipad more or less

Re:Eh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609892)

I mean, it looks awesome, but the screen resolution is a bit disappointing. Then again it is a 7 incher, so...

It's still massive compared to your 1.5" dick.

Les and less... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609482)

Does anybody really care about this shit anymore?

Very much so (2, Interesting)

Vladinator (29743) | about 4 years ago | (#33609628)

Something like this is perfect for huge searchable PDF's. I help run a huge LARP, and there are well over 200+ source books for material for this game system. Something like this would be awesome, as I wouldn't have to drag several pounds of dead tree around to every game, which has the added benefit of not beating up my physical copies of the books. Not to mention that when there is a rules question, I can open the right PDF, search for the rule, and answer the question then and there instead of having to freeze the game while I look things up. I am certain there are other similar real world problems that are easily solved by a device like this.

I'm not paying more than $400 or so for one however. I'll wait until the price comes down quite a bit before I pick one up. I only paid $450 for my last laptop, which currently (mostly) provides the same functionality, though it is much heavies than a pad like this.

No price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609498)

Seriously, no price announced?
Unimpressive battery life...
What does it have for document creation and media playback?

Re:No price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609566)

open office for linux, for starter.

Re:No price? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#33609814)

Google docs?

Re:No price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609832)

I bet there will be no flat data plan for this tablet

Re:No price? (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#33610088)

Really? Because the last time I looked, the Linux version of OpenOffice.org used X11 and android didn't. You'd be able to run it on MeeGo, but not Android.

Android? (2, Interesting)

anerki (169995) | about 4 years ago | (#33609500)

I wonder what this will do to the development of Chrome OS, as now Android is also a tablet operating system, what will the market be for Chrome OS? I hope they're not shooting for desktop applications ...

Also, no WiFi as of yet (and as far as I can tell no release date set either). I wonder what this will do to battery life, and well, everything else. Surfing on 3G is acceptable on my phone when I'm stuck in traffic, at home I tend never to use my phone because of the slow connection.

Re:Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609542)

That's unfortunate that your 3G connection is slow. Where I live, we have "HSPA+", and speed tests on my phone show it to be even faster than my cable modem at home.

Where do you live? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33609610)

Anonymous Coward wrote:

Where I live, we have "HSPA+", and speed tests on my phone show it to be even faster than my cable modem at home.

I live in the midwestern United States. Where do you live, how much does "HSPA+" cost per month in addition to what you're already paying for your cable modem, and how much does it cost to immigrate?

Re:Where do you live? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609992)

I live in Canada, and we have $30 data plans that include 6 GB of data, so it kind of sucks in that way, even if it's fast. Though I'm not a heavy downloader, so the 6 GB is fine for my phone and the times I tether, and that package also gives me unlimited SMS, voice mail, caller ID, etc. etc. included. I wish it was all unlimited, but it could be worse.

When bundled with what voice plan? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 years ago | (#33610134)

I live in Canada, and we have $30 data plans that include 6 GB of data

In the United States, a comparable data plan is $60/mo alone (for a USB 3G modem) or $30/mo when bundled with a $40/mo voice plan (for a phone). Because I don't use my cell phone as a land-line replacement, I don't use even one-tenth of the 450 voice minutes per month that come with the $40/mo voice plan. So I'm on a $20 per three months plan with Virgin Mobile USA, a Sprint company.

Re:When bundled with what voice plan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33610180)

My voice plan on top of the $30 data plan is $20, gives me around 250 daytime minutes and unlimited evenings and weekends.

So that's $50, plus the taxes and crap, my bill comes out to right about $70 CAD each month, and I do use it as a land-line replacement (I actually transferred my former land-line number to the cell), so I'm ok with the price. Though I still long for the plans and rates and packages available outside of North America...

Re:Android? (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | about 4 years ago | (#33609636)

It won't do anything because Android isn't a tablet OS; it was always meant for the phone. Chrome OS is what Google will be pushing for netbooks and tablets, though we haven't heard much about what's going on there...

Re:Android? (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | about 4 years ago | (#33609820)

i think GP meant, if enough people buy/make android tablets, will there still be a point to launching chromeOS?

if this thing is succesfull, and other manufacturers pick up on it, ChromeOS might be DOA (hell, google might even kill it off themselves before launch if they think the in-fighting between android and chromeOS isnt worth it)

Re:Android? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 4 years ago | (#33610050)

> It won't do anything because Android isn't a tablet OS;

It's an OS on tablets - what's the difference?

> it was always meant for the phone.

That's not a difference!

Google should just give up on Chromium - it's no longer needed.

Re:Android? (1)

bjwest (14070) | about 4 years ago | (#33609684)

IMHO, Chrome OS is a joke. I don't want an "appliance" that can't do anything without a net connection. Not to mention the security and privacy issues of all my data and apps being in the "cloud".

Re:Android? (2, Interesting)

I'm Not There (1956) (1823304) | about 4 years ago | (#33609690)

Do you still remember the term "netbook"? That's a good use for Chrome OS. Though it will be nice if we could see Android and Chrome OS for different tablet devices. After all, "tablet" is going to be meaning something like "computer," and having different OSes for different tablets isn't that bad.

Also, Google itself have admitted that Android currently isn't the OS for tablets [businessinsider.com] . They say version 3.0 will be their "tablet-friendly" Android. Maybe that's why Motorola says it won't enter tablet market until 2010 [wsj.com] . They say they want to deliver a device thats "competitive in the marketplace." I guess that means they can't compete with iPad with Android 2.2.

Re:Android? (2, Informative)

yelvington (8169) | about 4 years ago | (#33609720)

The 3G model includes wifi. It was demonstrated last night at the rollout with a live video call using Qik.

The wifi-ONLY model is said to be coming, but the date is not revealed, nor is the price. What I wonder about is how it will relate to the 3G model, as advance speculation has been that the carriers will subsidize its price heavily. The wifi-only version could wind up with a list cost significantly higher than the 3G+wifi version.

Re:Android? (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 4 years ago | (#33609962)

I think Google should just kill Chrome OS. Port the web application framework into Android and junk the rest. Chrome OS is never going to fly and it's just sending mixed messages to developers and consumers about Google's intentions. This dithering is already affecting Android - many forthcoming tablet devices won't be able to meet the CTS / CDD compliance tests and therefore won't be able to ship the standard marketplace app. I certainly wouldn't want to buy a tablet unless it did. Maybe Android 3.0 will resolve these issues, but I certainly wouldn't want to buy a 2.2 device unless I knew for certain an update was forthcoming later.

ARG (1)

iONiUM (530420) | about 4 years ago | (#33609536)

So I've been following this tablet for a while and I wish they'd post more information. First it was "they're bringing it", and now it's "official", and yet they still don't have any information I want. Exact specs, what the hardware is, price, where are they releasing it (which countries), where will I be able to buy it (is it just from carriers?).

It's annoying that companies do this. I can see pictures of it, but that doesn't really help me.

Collected specifications (4, Informative)

yelvington (8169) | about 4 years ago | (#33610078)

Exact specs, what the hardware is, price, where are they releasing it (which countries), where will I be able to buy it (is it just from carriers?).

You can't even find a Galaxy Tab page on Samsung's website -- they link to one, but it's 404.

However, specs collected from the announcement, press releases and coverage:
Android 2.2 (Froyo)
Flash 10.1 (Web video looked good and smooth)
1Ghz Hummingbird CPU (Samsung, ARM Cortex A8)
PowerVR SGX 540 video
512 MB RAM
Internal storage unclear; some reports say 16 GB or 32GB
microSD card slot, supporting 32GB additional storage
7" TFT LCD screen, 1024 x 600 resolution
Capacitive touchscreen
Quad-band GSM/EDGE, triple-band HSUPA/HSDPA, voice and data connectivity
Dual SIM cards (not sure why?)
802.11 b/g/n wifi
Bluetooth 3.0
13 ounces
7 hour battery life under continuous movie playback
Front facing 1.3 megapixel camera for video calling
Back facing 3 megapixel autofocusing camera for HD video and still photography with flash
HDMI video output port
USB (will trickle charge, but not rapid charge)
Proprietary 30-pin connector for charging and connectivity to dock
3.5 audio jack; internal stereo speakers
Accelerometer, magnetometer, proximity sensor
Full external keyboard, optional
Automotive dash mount for GPS functionality with Google Maps enhanced for the 7-inch display; presumably this suggests it has a GPS chip, although I have not found anything that says so
Will share media to DLNA devices on the same network; should interop with MythTV and XMBC
Will be offered by AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile; pricing and dates to be announced by the carriers
E-reader software (Kindle, PressDisplay, Zinio, etc.)
Thinkfree Office software
Media Hub (cloud-based purchase and rental of video and audio programming) with sharing across your compatible Samsung devices

Interestingly, "legacy" Android apps designed for smaller screens are shown at a correct size, framed rather than stretched. A bunch of apps optimized for the 7-inch display were shown.

USB host or OTG? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609546)

Anyone got any idea if it can supply "full" USB power, from memory its 500ma?

Re:USB host or OTG? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 4 years ago | (#33609760)

A webcam for this would be dreamy. Flash streaming in the garden

Re:USB host or OTG? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#33609802)

A webcam for this would be dreamy. Flash streaming in the garden

Yeah sounds like fun ;)

Re:USB host or OTG? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#33609880)

it has 2 webcams built in?

Galaxy |= LCARS (1)

skogs (628589) | about 4 years ago | (#33609548)

Now I just need somebody to create an LCARS looking interface for it and I can control my imaginary Galaxy class starship.

Re:Galaxy |= LCARS (2, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 4 years ago | (#33609890)

Now I just need somebody to create an LCARS looking interface for it and I can control my imaginary Galaxy class starship.

Uh... I hope you know that all Galaxy class starships are "imaginary", right?

Look, I know this is harsh, but they're just not real. Not like the Constitution Class from the Documentary Series.

unofficial inf. indicates we're in deep doo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609586)

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"I think the bottom line is, what kind of a world do you want to leave for your children," Andrew Smith, a professor in the Arizona State University School of Life Sciences, said in a telephone interview. "How impoverished we would be if we lost 25 percent of the world's mammals," said Smith, one of more than 100 co-authors of the report. "Within our lifetime hundreds of species could be lost as a result of our own actions, a frightening sign of what is happening to the ecosystems where they live," added Julia Marton-Lefevre, IUCN director general. "We must now set clear targets for the future to reverse this trend to ensure that our enduring legacy is not to wipe out many of our closest relatives."--

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Soundly Trounces EEE 701 (1)

Vegemeister (1259976) | about 4 years ago | (#33609588)

This tablet soundly trounces the EEE 701. In hardware specs, anyway. My EEE runs a full desktop OS (Xubuntu linux), but the screen resolution is quite crippling, as is the requirement to reinstall the OS every now and then to prevent running out of disk space. This tablet appears to solve those issues, but does it have USB? Can I install an operating system of my choosing? Does it run nmap and aircrack-ng? Can I conveniently SSH into an 8 core SMP server with Maple and MATLAB when I need a little extra oomph? How usable is the onscreen keyboard?

Re:Soundly Trounces EEE 701 (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#33609646)

701 has a keyboard. I can't see myself coding on a tablet. Also the laptop gives you root access.

Re:Soundly Trounces EEE 701 (2, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | about 4 years ago | (#33609714)

"but does it have USB?"

Through a dongle, apparently - and annoyingly.

"Can I install an operating system of my choosing?"

It has been rooted already, so in principle yes. Somebody would need to actually port the OS to the device of course.

"Does it run nmap and aircrack-ng? "

You can build and run console apps on a normal Android device - it's linux after all.

"Can I conveniently SSH into an 8 core SMP server with Maple and MATLAB when I need a little extra oomph?"

Just download an ssh client and off you go. No X forwarding though, as it doesn't run X.

"How usable is the onscreen keyboard?"

Tim Bray has been using one for a few days: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/09/10/Galaxy-Tab-in-my-Pocket [tbray.org]

He really likes the keyboard. He also seems to find the battery life to be rather better than those quoted seven hours would imply.

Re:Soundly Trounces EEE 701 (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609818)

Battery life is much more than 7 hours. I've been playing with one for several days now and the 7 hours is playing video/multimedia.

Re:Soundly Trounces EEE 701 (2, Informative)

Vectormatic (1759674) | about 4 years ago | (#33609866)

running any OS of your choosing might be difficult, seeing how this thing doesnt have an x86 cpu, like your eee

SSH shouldnt be an issue though, even my $99 android phone can ssh into whatever i can run SSHD on, there are plenty of apps for any platform (i actually used my ipod to shut down the fileserver at home before unplugging in a thunderstorm)

LOL @ Bush tax cuts for the "rich" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609630)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42283.html [politico.com]

Ah, what a change a year and a half can make. Where they were once crucifying Bush for cutting taxes on the rich, Dems are now openly talking about extending the tax cuts because so far their experiment to spend our way out of recession has failed. They now need "rich" people to start spending again and to hire us poor slobs to build their mansions and private jets. LOL, just LOL. Anyone care to try to make the case that there's any practical difference between Democrats and Neoconservatives, besides the tone of their populist rhetoric?

It always amuses me when I hear people of extreme wealth and privilege co-opting the language of populism. As if they had any idea or even gave a shit about my problems. They can all go fuck themselves. Come November when the House is loaded up with Tea Party members, you're about to find out where all that populist bullshit got you.

Dimensions (1)

Fizzl (209397) | about 4 years ago | (#33609632)

I have been poking around with android for a bit now...
I've been wondering how the UI will scale to different resolutions. The desktop itself looks fine. I have tried "big screen" and "small screen" phones and have it installed on my netbook. All look nice.

However, scaling an application to different sizes will be odd. You can't just say "I want my window to be 640x480". Well, technically you can (using scrolling layout and absolute positioning) , but it would look even shittier than badly designed normal window.

Anyone got good books to suggest? Namely, how to think about scalable UI's in this context. Is there a shortcut to design an application to look good automagically in different devices, or do I really have to design and test the UI N-times -- N-being the amount of different display geometrics in the market currently?

What are its dimensions? (4, Funny)

nmoog (701216) | about 4 years ago | (#33609640)

7" LCD is convenient - but I'd have to know how many sheets-of-glass thick it is before I'd consider buying one.

Re:What are its dimensions? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | about 4 years ago | (#33609794)

I'm more interested in its weight in Micro-Elephants myself

Re:What are its dimensions? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 4 years ago | (#33609836)

7" LCD is convenient - but I'd have to know how many sheets-of-glass thick it is before I'd consider buying one.

"Based on our nuclear test bunker estimate, it's under half a sheet of glass thick" - Samsung CEO.

Price (2, Insightful)

Andy Smith (55346) | about 4 years ago | (#33609666)

UK retailers are already pricing this thing at £600+ which gives Apple a nice big helping hand to maintain market dominance. No way people are going to pay nearly double the price of an iPad for a tablet that isn't as good. And I say that as an Android fanboi who can't stand Apple.

Re:Price (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | about 4 years ago | (#33609860)

It's not nearly double - the cheapest UK price [apple.com] for an iPad is 429 for the wi-fi only and 529 for the 3G version. Since Samsung are releasing their 3G version first, the price difference is really about 70 pounds as far as I can tell.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33610000)

Except the display size (matter of opinion), everything else is as good or better (RAM, Camera, etc.). Plus at least it will be able to multitask, a bare minimum for a tablet to be usable.

memory: ram or storage? (3, Insightful)

Vectormatic (1759674) | about 4 years ago | (#33609708)

minor off topic nitpick, but it pisses me off when people use "memory" ambigously meaning either storage or RAM

in this case i can sort of deduce that this thing has 16gb of storage, but how much working RAM does it have? not entirely unimportant for a computing device, especially when you get into tablet territory (the ipad/iphone already suck at multitasking, or hell, even multi-tab browsing because of low memory)

Re:memory: ram or storage? (1)

athlon02 (201713) | about 4 years ago | (#33609804)

I know this is not official, but... since the specs and naming scheme seem similar to the Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) smartphone, my guess is at least 512MB, if not 1GB.

Hmmm 16GB of memory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609722)

16GB of memory?
Presumably they mean storage, disk space, that sort of thing.
Not RAM.

Re:Hmmm 16GB of memory... (1)

dwinks616 (1536791) | about 4 years ago | (#33609960)

Yeah, it really bothers me when supposed "tech" journalists refer to storage as memory. My extremely powerful workstation at home has 16GB of memory...

Memory and storage are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things, and ARE NOT interchangeable, EVER.

Size matters, size matters, size matters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609738)

I need to see at least 10" before I am willing to buy one.

it's in the dpi stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609770)

After seeing a damn iphone 4G retina display, all I can say is gimme well beyond 200dpi or I am not buying....

Samsung Galaxy S (3, Interesting)

chrb (1083577) | about 4 years ago | (#33609812)

So what's going on with the Galaxy S? Reports on the web are that the actual GPS hardware does not work, and the "fix" is to use wifi/celltower geolocation. How could this issue have made it past testing and 1 million unit sales before it was noticed?

On the plus side, the Galaxy S appears to be completely open source. The source code release from Samsung appears to include drivers for all hardware, including the PowerVR GPU.

Such an Odd Product (2, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 4 years ago | (#33609834)

Too small to compete with an iPad, too big to compete with the iPhone. And, let's be honest - they're trying to compete with Apple's offerings here. I just don't get their vision of this product. Seriously. It's too big to casually put in your pocket and carry around easily and it's too small to be a "put in your bag" computing device when there are other options with bigger screens available. It might do well - time will tell - but I suspect the screen size puts it in an awkward position that very few customers want.

Re:Such an Odd Product (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33609952)

Pundits said the exact same thing about the iPad. 'Glorified iPod touch.' 'Too big to put in your pocket, more difficult to use than a laptop'.

So the point is that Sammy is filling a gap in Apple's product offerings. How is that a bad thing?

Re:Such an Odd Product (2, Interesting)

Superken7 (893292) | about 4 years ago | (#33610064)

Why? The iPad fails precisely at size and weight. I think a 7'' or 8'' tablet could be much more usable.

If you have ever used an ipad you'll know what I mean: Its impossible to type with both hands while holding it in a natural position, as you would with a phone. You'll have to either put it on a flat surface (which doesn't make much sense because a laptop would be a far better option) or you can hold it in one hand/arm and type with your other hand. And unless you are holding it in your arm or on your legs, its too heavy to hold in one hand for an extended period of time.

Enter the medium-sized tablets like the galaxy tab. Suddenly you can type comfortably while holding it in a natural position only with your hands (no holding in your arms/legs ) while the screen is much bigger than on a phone. Keep in mind it weighs less than half of the ipad.

Sure, the bigger ipad screen will be better for browsing, etc.. but the ipad is somewhat uncomfortable for many users in those cases I just highlighted, making these smaller kind of tablets very attractive.

So I'm guessing that's their vision... I think its pretty good except for the price. big fail there.

Telephony (3, Informative)

zoward (188110) | about 4 years ago | (#33610146)

According to Engadget they removed the telephony app from the US version of this (it's still in the European version):

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/samsung-galaxy-tab-loses-voice-capabilities-in-the-us/ [engadget.com]

That's pretty much a dealkiller for me, and gives Samsung an uphill climb if they expect to compete with the iPad, which has a good low end price, an OS designed for a tablet, and an established ecosystem.

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