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Why Twitter Should Stay Out of the App Business

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the hard-to-write-an-app-in-140-characters dept.

Communications 76

waderoush writes "Twitter has come out with some impressive new tools this month — the Twitter app for iPhone/iPad on September 1, and the overhauled Twitter website, or #NewTwitter, this week. But Twitter is late to its own party, Xconomy argues today. #NewTwitter still lacks basics like photo uploading and URL shortening, and apps built by third-party developers like TweetDeck and Flipboard continue to provide more compelling ways to explore the information in a Twitter stream. While Twitter may finally be 'getting focused' on ways to achieve mass market growth, as former Twitter platform manager Alex Payne wrote this week, the company will have a hard time competing with its own developer community — and might do better instead to acknowledge, and focus on, the service's growing role as a general Internet utility."

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76 comments

Hurt their own developers (1)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615430)

The article says it, but not in the way I want: by extending their own platform, they do hurt their third party developers. Presumably the idea they do it though is to be able to track that stuff for themselves, and presumably to try and "do it better" with better integration.

I don't really use twitter, so I can't comment, but I ask of you who do: is this the case? Is what twitter is starting to offer "in house" better than what's available from 3rd party, or can they even improve on it enough and faster?

Re:Hurt their own developers (5, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615456)

Twitter needs to focus on their core service. It frequently goes offline, like many social services did when their growth was faster than expected (Friendster, LiveJournal, etc.)

The lessons of other social networks should be a clue that focusing on infrastructure stability needs to be a priority. People will get used to a crappy interface -- just look at MySpace -- but will not put up with unstable service for long.

Re:Hurt their own developers (0, Troll)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615554)

People will get used to a crappy interface -- just look at MySpace -- but will not put up with unstable service for long.

How do explain Windows, then?

Re:Hurt their own developers (1, Insightful)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615634)

momentum and chutzpah.

Re:Hurt their own developers (2, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615724)

Time and effort = cost. Jumping free web services is low cost, jumping OS is high cost.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615786)

Time and effort = cost.

Really? There's a monk out back with a ladder.

Re:Hurt their own developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615824)

For $youraverageuser, windows is 'hard enough'. I suppose that's why apple is gaining with their macs: they market them as user-friendly devices (I haven't used them enough to judge, however). *we* know that there are linux distros out there who do the same. $youraverageuser does not. Also, not everything works out of the box. This is a real punch in the face for people that want to switch (eg. no wireless, in my case, when I was younger).

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618758)

Oh really, there is a Linux distribution that approaches the user experience Windows or the Apple devices offer?
Face it, even Ubuntu, supposedly the easiest to use Linux distribution, has a very active forum where people share commands and shellscripts for others to copy'n'paste. How often do you see $youraverageuser open up cmd.exe?

Re:Hurt their own developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615868)

have you ever lived in america. windows was popular (yes was) because they asked their tech guy what to use with about 350,000 times what os they needed on their computers so craptastic windows got shoved on them hoping they would break it so bad they couldn't ask for help anymore. and if that aint the truth then may lightning strike me down where i type.

Re:Hurt their own developers (2, Insightful)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616546)

Sir, I'm just hoping lightning strikes you down because you seem to be unable to form a coherent sentence.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616794)

Guess it's true. One man's funny is another man's troll. *sigh*

Re:Hurt their own developers (3, Interesting)

h3 (27424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616002)

> will not put up with unstable service for long.

Here's where you are very wrong. Twitters service failures are legendary and persist to this day. And they are still around, bigger than ever.

Just to give you a sense of how long people have put up with them: I "quit" Twitter in July of 2008 because of aggravation with their service failures which was already a running joke *THEN*. I thought for sure no way people would put up with that amount of downtime and unreliability.

Re:Hurt their own developers (0, Flamebait)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616088)

". Twitters service failures are legendary and persist to this day. "

But how can people survive if they don't know what Madonna, Paris Hilton, (other useless bitch) ate for breakfast?

Re:Hurt their own developers (2, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616264)

That was a mean feat. You managed to marry ignorance of twitter (Madonna & Hilton aren't even in the top 25 for followers) with truly offensive misogyny. I know, I know. You're too busy getting laid to care, right?

But how can people survive if they don't know what Madonna, Paris Hilton, (other useless bitch) ate for breakfast?

Re:Hurt their own developers (1, Informative)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617286)

I was curious so I decided I'd look up who the top watched were:

1) Lady Gaga (attention whore pop star
2) Britney Spears (Ditto ....
So really the top two are pointless pop icon women. And you acted as if he was so far off base. LoL.

3)Ashton Kutcher (male equivalent of above
4)Obama (Actual important person!
5) Justin Beiber (child version of #3


Saying that twitter is for dumb people mindlessly following pop trash seems to be an accurate depiction in this same. 4/5 of the top 5 are pop stars of some sort. And by pop trash I mean famous people who are more likely to be thought of for their toplessness than their achievements in life.

In the next 5 there are 2 daytime trash tv stars and 3 girls to oogle. The next 5 are twitter itself, 2 guy celebs to oogle, 1 girl and CNN!

Also, noting that you said: "Madonna & Hilton aren't even in the top 25 for followers"... I'm going to assume you noticed that Paris Hilton is the 26th most followed person on twitter? Madonna doesn't have an account so her ranking is hardly fair :P.

If anything, thank you for reaffirming by belief that twitter is a horrible waste of time where brain cells go to die.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617812)

So, no different than other forms of media with regards to the attraction to celebrities.
And celebs seem a lot like other people in some ways, including the fact that some suck and some don't.

The word *popular* exists for a reason, and anyway, there are all sorts of +1 interesting (or at least +1 funny) gems amongst smaller feeds.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33619916)

So what you are saying is that since most of the traffic online is porn, everyone is a porn dog, and everyone lookas at porn all the time? The internet can't possibly used by some for useful stuff, because the porn shows that it's all porn?

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33624936)

Nah. Its really the character limit that makes it useless.

It hasn't brought anything new to the table tech wise. The only leverage it has is user-base. And the top100 shows that the user-base isn't very desirable.

The only very very small niche where twitter has an advantage is real time groundswell news information. You get the 'pulse' of the people really fast for occurring events. With Geotagging it could be neat for a few projects. But that is only really valuable for cool animations. And bits of strange research. The general feel of a population isn't going to be discernible by the average non-scripting human being. Actually using twitter as intended is completely pointless.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33626428)

The character limit doesn't make it useless. It makes it different. And the good thing about this is that you have to make your summaries really brief, making it easier for other people to quickly browse through new stuff.

I don't really care about the top 100. I only care about what's interesting to me. Since I follow people I find to post interesting and useful stuff, Twitter is interesting and useful to me. I don't understand why you would point to the top 100 if you don't think they are interesting. It's your own fault if you follow anything and everything instead of just the stuff that interests you :)

You've heard of the Long Tail, right? (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33641628)

You're right. The top followed people on twitter are celebrities.

I was being glib about the top 25 thing, but it doesn't really who the top 25 are anyway. Does the fact that the NY Times Bestseller list is packed with trash mean that all book readers like John Grisham? Just as I could read books until the end of time without ever reading a bestseller, I could use twitter for as long as I lived without ever following a celebrity. I actually find twitter most useful for niche interests.

Saying that a medium open to anyone and everyone is "for dumb people mindlessly following pop trash" sounds deliberately provocative. I don't own a TV, but I don't think that everyone who uses one is an idiot. I doubt you actually believe that everyone who uses twitter is stupid, either. Your dislike of the medium seems to have blinded you to the notion that there are many ways to use it, just as there are many ways to use other media.

Re:You've heard of the Long Tail, right? (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33652462)

Books can be informative since they don't have an arbitrary restriction FROM being informative. 1 liners while cute and quotable are rarely informative.

If you can point me to a few valuable and informative twitter feeds that: do not simply feed human desires for pop knowledge which is in the end not useful (ie, knowing what the mars rover is doing is cool but not particularly educational) AND cannot be better served by being an RSS feed to a blog or newspaper. I will be impressed.

Sidenote: I'm aware of its value for real time opinion feeds... which some people might be able to use for research or similar.

Re:Hurt their own developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33616120)

Of course they will put up with it, as long as Twitter performs an essential service for them. The real question is, who else can provide them what Twitter does now? And don't answer Facebook... those two aren't even in the same category.

Re:Hurt their own developers (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617300)

Name what feature from twitter you want and you can probably be pointed to something that existed long looong before twitter that is more effective at it.

Re:Core (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617580)

Ubuntu needs to focus on its core experience. It frequently sinks into terrible desktop user experience, like many Linux distros did when their growth was faster than expected.

The lessons of other distros should be a clue that focusing on infrastructure stability needs to be a priority. People will get used to a crappy interface -- just look at Gentoo -- but will not put up with unstable service for long. ... Fixed that for you!

in other words... (1)

KingAlanI (1270538) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617736)

In other words, "enough with the fail whale!". Indeed.
Also, if you elect to have certain people's tweets sent through SMS to your phone, sometimes that doesn't work.

Re:Hurt their own developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615828)

The in house apps for Twitter are worlds ahead of the most popular third party apps in my experience (excluding power user focused apps).

Re:Hurt their own developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33616076)

"I don't really use twitter, ..."

Only people who seem to give a shit what other people do or think use it. (teens)

Yea Right (1)

immakiku (777365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615436)

General Internet utility makes general internet utility revenues. They will find a way to squeeze out the developers' efforts and take in the big bucks from the service oriented applications.

Waste of effort (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615464)

There are a number of great twitter clients out there for pretty much every platform that connects to the Internet. At this point, Twitter as a company would be better served spending their money in beefing up their infrastructure, staving off spambots, and various other back-end stuff. What's the point in them spending money and time to create an "official" client? How would that actually earn them any money, compared to improving the quality of their service?

Re:Waste of effort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615642)

Or they could focus on just doing less...

Spend less money so they will need to spend less time trying to figure out how to *make* money.

Web companies that need to make money almost always end up just showing you more adds, which hurts the user experience significantly more than any good that will come from their innovations.

Re:Waste of effort (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615712)

If you use a 3rd party client, they can't show you as many ads.

Thus, it's in their best interest if they can get you to use the site when you want to look at a quick update, or at least to try to prevent new users from moving onto other clients.

Re:Waste of effort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615896)

Basically disagree. The vast majority of third party apps do nothing but tarnish the brand of Twitter. They are full of bugs, slow and have terrible UIs. Twitter has a blog post discussing just this and it is definitely true. Furthermore, by creating official channels to the service they are gaining control of the information detailing user interaction with Twitter. It also let's them more strongly steer the direction Twitter as a platform moves in.

Re:Waste of effort (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617004)

An official client means they can follow in MS and Yahoo Messenger's footsteps: capitalize on rotating ad delivery. Ads are not enforced by alternative clients, simply because the IM delivery protocols weren't designed to deliver ads. Now, they want in on that, and perhaps later ban unofficial clients by breaking their backward compat if they're bold.

Re:Waste of effort (1)

Zizagoo (1848812) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617112)

You've got your techie blinders on. Twitter.com is by far the most popular client by a huge margin, take a look for yourself http://blog.twitter.com/2010/09/evolving-ecosystem.html [twitter.com] With those figures, streamlining the web interface is a great investment, as the UI shapes usage patterns and perception. The new twitter screams "platform" from every pore, and is far more efficient at driving users to use it this way. By catching up feature wise, has set a new baseline for clients/connected services.

why twitter should stay out of business (3, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615526)

Post subject represents what I would like to read.

Oh eternal September!

Re:why twitter should stay out of business (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617302)

Twitter is on a whole new level from eternal September :(

In The Ghetto, the Scott Lockwood Story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615560)

Reza gazed into the bathroom mirror. The sense of despair overwhelmed her. Vlad's nightly visits to Marticock the Gurgling Penis Socket had been torturing her for weeks. She hadn't slept at all and it was beginning to show. The bags under her eyes were dark and full. Her eyes were red from constant crying. She even thought she could see some wrinkles appearing in her puffy face. She had to do something. [slashdot.org]

She opened the mirror to reveal a series of shelves. She found Vlad's razor and took it with her shaking hand. She closed the mirror again and stared deeply into her own eyes. Did she really want to do this? Was this the only way out of this mess? She heard the front door slam, followed by a loud belch and fart. Those three sounds that used to bring her so much comfort. She decided she must end it now.

In the living room of the double-wide, Vlad threw his empty Budweiser can onto the floor. He plunged his hand down the back of his pants to fish desperately for a ball of crust caught in his anal hairs that had been plaguing him all day. He moaned deeply as he plucked the nugget from his anus, taking along a few assorted hairs with it.

"Hey, bitch, where's my dinner?" Vlad screamed.

He heard a crashing sound in the bathroom, followed by a thud and a large splash.

"Fucking cunt," he spluttered.

Vlad trudged into the kitchen and liberated another Budweiser from the bottom shelf. He opened the can and drank half the contents, signifying his approval with an enormous belch. Suddenly, he heard more splashing and riff-raff in the bathroom. He wallowed across the room and into the hallway and opened the bathroom door.

Vlad was shocked. Reza was laying in the tub, completely bald. Not only were her legs hairless for the first time in years, but so were her armpits! The hair on her upper lip had been completely removed, as well as the ratty hair that covered her scalp. Vlad's mind reeled. How could she have managed to reach her legs with all of that lard in the way?

"Look, Vlad! I am Marticock!" Reza said with a hint of hope in her voice, "you can molest me now!"

Vlad farted, "Marticock?"

Reza nodded, "Ummmm-hmmmm!"

Vlad shook his head. He noticed the comforting gurgling sound in the room down the hall, "Marticock..."

Vlad turned and stumbled down the hallway to Marticock's room. He opened the creaking, paper-thin door, "daddy's home, Marticock! Open wide!"

Reza cried so hard that she deficated in the tub.

Re:In The Ghetto, the Scott Lockwood Story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615620)

Oh God, what happens next? I must know, good sir!

Re:In The Ghetto, the Scott Lockwood Story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615710)

i just came

Re:In The Ghetto, the Scott Lockwood Story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615960)

@AnonymousCoward #wtf

Re:In The Ghetto, the Scott Lockwood Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33616804)

>Oh God, what happens next?

Vlad farted

they should host apps .. (1)

ifeelswine (1546221) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615564)

that are 160 characters or below. it would be cool: main(l ,a,n,d)char**a;{ for(d=atoi(a[1])/10*80- atoi(a[2])/5-596;n="@NKA\ CLCCGZAAQBEAADAFaISADJABBA^\ SNLGAQABDAXIMBAACTBATAHDBAN\ ZcEMMCCCCAAhEIJFAEAAABAfHJE\ TBdFLDAANEfDNBPHdBcBBBEA_AL\ H E L L O, W O R L D! " [l++-3];)for(;n-->64;) putchar(!d+++33^ l&1);}

Should be, "Why Twitter Shouldn't be a Business" (4, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615608)

I'm not just picking on Twitter here, honestly. In fact, *most* of what's on the Internet shouldn't be a business. Before the Internet was commercial, DNS was developed via the RFC process. If the Internet had been commercialized before DNS, how many commercial "IP namer" services would we have? Likewise, if SMS had been common before the Internet was commercialized, something like Twitter would likely have been developed via the RFC process. Tweets probably would have been archived via a distributed protocol. Remember USENET? There was a distributed posting and archiving system for messages of considerably longer length. It was all specified via the RFC process. What is Twitter, but USENET with a protocol that enforces a maximum message length, IDs users, and has a non-distributed posting and archiving mechanism?

Re:Should be, "Why Twitter Shouldn't be a Business (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615654)

Usenet is a protocol, but it has businesses behind it. Twitter is both at this point.

Are you saying they should let their protocol be open and just be a single provider of that protocol? Seems to me they'd definitely hurt in the short run. And that would force them to go even further into the app-making business to stay afloat.

Re:Should be, "Why Twitter Shouldn't be a Business (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615844)

No I'm not saying what Twitter should do. Twitter will do whatever it can to survive. That's its job.

I'm saying I could replace my Twitter with alt.tweet.i.s.t.a.r.t.e.d.i where the USENET protocol is enhanced to only permit 140 characters and to limit posts under the alt.tweet hierarchy.

If USENET can't handle that in its current form then of course the protocol would need some tweaks.

Also, USENET, AFAIK, came to be regarded as an administrative hassle by a lot of ISPs. Everything moved under HTTP, and got reinvented. From my PoV, Twitter is just restricted, centralized USENET under the HTTP protocol.

The business model for USENET died at a lot of ISPs. Either you pay admins for USENET servers, or you suffer ads on Twitter. TANSTAAFL.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I've been on the Internet too long (since 1992) and it has become my lawn, which most of you should get off of. :)

OK, a few more thoughts (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615984)

I finally read TFA (yeah, I know this is /., what was I thinking?)

The VCs have funded Twitter to the tune of $160 million. Ouch.

All is not lost. If Twitter is just USENET, and USENET died because the RFC process was slow to innovate and USENET servers were a PiTA to run, then the business model becomes apparent.

Twitter should sell enhanced services to ISPs. They could reinvent USENET totally, and not just a short message hierarchy. For starters, make the current services distributed. Then, colocate with the ISPs for a fee. ISPs advertise "we haven't had a fail whale in a month" and/or "your tweets snap up without delay", to their customers.

If you could go back in time and offer "outsourced USENET with innovative features", it might not have sold. Enhanced, QoS'd, ISP branded Twitter might sell though.

Reworking the Twitter business model wouldn't be easy, but that seems like a direction that would allow Twitter to survive as a business, and provide better service for users.

If it turns into an advertising cesspool, I don't see how it can survive. There are enough things like that already, and people will just flock someplace else.

Re:OK, a few more thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33617372)

USENET dead? What have I been using this week then?

You're so wrong on USENET being dead. If it's dying it's mostly because Google made a mess out of it. And now you want twitter on top of Usenet or what? Please no. Also even though Usenet might be dying it still has more users in my experience that is, compared to the 90's.

I don't see a problem to be honest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33615796)

if Twitter has it's own apps and gives them away for free then that's fine,
the user is getting a quality standard that 3rd parties have to beat for other people to give them money.

Twitter? (2, Insightful)

Capt_Morgan (579387) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615906)

Do people actually use Twitter? I just don't get it... seems like one of the most useless things ever

Re:Twitter? (3, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#33615996)

I consider it an improvement. Instead of not reading a 10 paragraph blog, I can now not read a 140-character snark.

But seriously, I think twitter has ruined the web. Not twitter itself, but other people's integration with twitter. Used to be, you had a blog or news story or something, people would comment on it. 99.99% of the time, I won't ever see the blog and won't give a a shit. But let's say I do and I do. Instead of some potentially interesting comments, I see "@zyx retweeted this". Or "xyz liked this". Or "zyz pingback".

And even in forums that support threading, you'll see this gay @shit, #suckmydick, etc. It's worse than posting bbcode on slashdot.

Re:Twitter? (3, Informative)

istartedi (132515) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616034)

I actually use it quite a bit. I follow a few, carefully chosen people. Of all the "Web 2.0" stuff, Twitter is the one that stuck. I like the simplicity of it. A short character limit is twisted genius. I don't tweet every day. I'm not following anybody who posts their location all the time or tweets about their grocery shopping.

That said, I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea. I feel the same way about FaceBook that some people feel about Twitter. I tried FB for a while, and it just seems to have a way of making everybody look like a drunken idiot.

It seems like it's possible to find quite a few people on Twitter who tweet appropriately, and tweet interesting things. It hasn't been infected with *ville applications yet.

Re:Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33616962)

I tried FB
for a while, and it just seems to have a way of making everybody look
like a drunken idiot.

I'm a drunken idiot, and I don't use Facebook, you insensitive clod!

Re:Twitter? (0, Troll)

PaulMeigh (1277544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616038)

I'm with you, but isn't a post that says 'I don't get it' the opposite of +1 insightful?

Re:Twitter? (3, Informative)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616292)

I consider twitter to be a helpful engine for serendipitous discovery. Sometimes I want to search for information, sometimes I want information to come to me from interesting people. The first time I tried twitter I didn't get it, but I had the nagging suspicion that I wasn't using it in a way that would make it useful. So when I came back to it a few months later, I thought of it as an information stream I could dip into when I felt like discovering something new.

Re:Twitter? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616608)

The first time I tried twitter I didn't get it, but I had the nagging suspicion that I wasn't using it in a way that would make it useful. So when I came back to it a few months later, I thought of it as an information stream I could dip into when I felt like discovering something new.

Ok, then maybe you can clue me in on the secret...? Because the first time I tried twitter, I didn't get it, but had a nagging suspicion that I wasn't using it in a way that would make it useful. The second time I tried, I had the same experience. I've tried a few more times, and each time I feel like I don't get it.

I get facebook, at least, in that it's relatively easy to find your real-life friends and keep in touch with them. Most of what people post is a bit inane, but I can find the phone number of an old highschool friend if I want to, even if he changed his number a week ago and I haven't talked to him in 3 years.

So I have a twitter account. What the hell am I supposed to do with it?

Re:Twitter? (0, Redundant)

Stele (9443) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616906)

So I have a twitter account. What the hell am I supposed to do with it?

Start reporting your bowel movements? Hell if I know either.

Re:Twitter? (2, Interesting)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33619594)

So I have a twitter account. What the hell am I supposed to do with it?

Follow people who have interesting things to say. Share interesting stuff you find.

Re:Twitter? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620606)

Are there people out there with interesting things to say?

Re:Twitter? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621776)

Do you mean on Twitter or in general?

Re:Twitter? (1)

abhi86 (1902192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617886)

I also thought that twitter should think about their services.They need to improve their technology by implementing new ideas & techniques.

Re:Twitter? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618064)

Just go to google, type in some random letters and hit I'm feeling lucky.

I'm fairly sure that even doing that once will result in at least 10 times the amount of useful information on the first results page than contained in every bit of data that twitter has.

Re:Twitter? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33619562)

Twitter is what you use it for. If you subscribe to people who have interesting things to say, you will receive interesting stuff. You seem to think that Twitter just randomly throws stuff at you. It doesn't. You control your own information flow, so if you are unable to get anything useful out of it, you are the one with a problem.

Re:Twitter? (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616412)

I once thought Twitter was useful, but I found Twitter is very useful for me. www.twitter.com/faithclubdotnet
As a Christian, I like to find like minded Christians and to tell non-Christians about the joy and exceeding highs God can give(also eternal life).
I've found a job through Twitter because my tweets got retweeted by a Sky Angel employee to an indie start up video game development company. I've been working with TangerinePop.com now for about a year, but my project started in March of this year. We're releasing a game that is a throw back to Gauntlet, and as far as I can tell, I hope it raises the bar on quality for Flash games. I'll submit a post about the game to Slashdot when it is finished. Alternatively you can check Tangerinepop.com every two weeks until it is published.

Now I just finished my first book this week. It is a compiled book of articles from FatherSpiritSon.com If you don't want to buy the book, all the articles can be read for free on the website. The main reason for doing a book was so I can witness to friends and family without the automatic rejection system people have in place for the Bible sometimes. I'm on such a high from this experience with God I can't put it in words. I could be the most elated person on the planet for the past 3 days. When we about finished publishing the book, I felt the need to pray for the book, yet I couldn't think up a long prayer so I prayed,"God, I hope everything is cool", in less than a second, without knowing my prayer, my coauthor IMed me,"Everything is cool". It is nice after doing a work about God when you worry you may have overstepped too much into theoretics that God approves of your book. My biggest task now is to not get a big head on me and to not have the "yeast of the Pharisees" to somehow think I know more about God than I do. It's really important to not say more than you know when it comes to God because it can lead people away from the faith of goodness and love.

Re:Twitter? (1)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616440)

Thats what I get for not using preview. The first sentence is supposed to read,"I once thought Twitter was not useful". The funny thing is I also thought TeamLiquid.Net was a useless site too, but that is where I met my coauthor Victor Nunez. We were both #1 in the world(at different times) for Warcraft3 and we explained how we evangelized to people in game. We were planning on doing it again in Starcraft2, but he has school, and I have that job I got through Twitter. Maybe later I'll get into SC2 seriously. Starcraft2 is a very good game at the highest level because of many reasons. I recommend it to all people who like competitive games and don't get upset with losing occassionally.

Re:Twitter? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618096)

For once someone on slashdot has a nickname that seems fitting.

I'm a religious person, raised catholic actually ...

With that in mind ... you do realize that you are so clearly over the top a religious nut job that no one anywhere will ever possibly take you seriously unless they too happen to be off their rockers ... right?

You seriously just posted that silly drivel on slashdot, a place with plenty of anti-religion nutjobs who wlll be happy to rip you a new one for talking silly ...

The only thing surprising about your post is that I'm the only one so far that has responded.

You need some perspective, and you need to learn how to integrate religion into your life, not make it your entire life, even priests know the difference. I'm probably just getting sucked into your troll but ... you really don't want to come off as such a complete and total religious nutjob if you want people to listen to what you have to say. The first part of that is not throwing religion into discussions that have nothing to do with it for no reason other than to promote your own agenda, that tends to piss people off, religious or non-religious.

The reason you get automatic rejection is because the common person has a bullshit detector built in, and when they see your level of bullshit flowing they tend to realize its probably just a mask you use to cover the fact that you'll be the first one to 'do evil' except it'll be 'gods will' or 'for the children'.

Seriously, tone it down. You just make it really hard on those of us who are religious yet not completely bat shit insane.

Re:Twitter? (1)

snakeplissken (559127) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618208)

I couldn't think up a long prayer so I prayed,"God, I hope everything is cool", in less than a second, without knowing my prayer, my coauthor IMed me,"Everything is cool".

so your coauthor is god?

i can see that coming in handy!

Re:Twitter? (0)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#33616772)

Twitter is just a tool for stalking celebs. You may think that's me dismissing it, but it's actually a really great tool for that purpose. Your first "lol xxx" from some 3rd rate Z lister is worth the price of entry, plus there's always the holy grail of concern-trolling the crap out of Wil Wheaton and watching him have a public noob-fit [typepad.com] . Happy days.

Re:Twitter? (1)

asylumx (881307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33617592)

Seriously, every time there's a story on /. about facebook or twitter someone just can't resist but point out that they don't use it or think it's worthless... Please can this retarded meme die now?

It reminds me of this article from The Onion... [theonion.com]

Re:Twitter? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618934)

It does appear to have its uses but what troubles me most is that some people feel the pressing need to use it to implement bad copies of existing technologies. I've seen Twitter as an IPC platform (after all, nobody ever said that tweets must be human-readable!) and, most annyoingly, as an RSS replacement. Because 140 characters of unformatted text are apparently superior to well-structured arbitrarily rich markup that has space for a description.

Of course there's the companion gripe of some developers using shortened URLs everywhere. These may be useful in the context of Twitter but they have absolutely no right to exist on a website not constrained in such a fashion. (This gripe does not apply to user-generated content. There are really websites where every single external link has been run through a shortener.)

Oh yes, I've heard the argument that Twitter as an RSS replacement effectively turns the Twitter network into a special-purpose CDN. But seriously now, if you can't afford to keep around an RSS feed but you can comfortably afford your site without one you have to be something wrong. If you're constantly near your limit without RSS then even moderate additional interest in your site would push you over anyway so an upgrade would be the wiser path.

Re:Twitter? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33619532)

I've seen Twitter as an IPC platform

It isn't. And Twitter isn't RSS either. It's something different, and has its uses.

Re:Twitter? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620540)

That's my point. Twitter is useful to some people. I personally don't use it but I know they do. However, some developers have this weird idée fixe that Twitter and its mannerisms supersede all other forms of online communication. Thus you see autotweeting devices and programs, programs that exchange data via Twitter and websites that assume that just because they can announce site updates through tweets they should do so.

It's not Twitter itself that annoys me, it's how some people abuse it.

Re:Twitter? (1)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621758)

Some people will abuse anything. You might as well be annoyed with the internet as a whole!

I don't actually notice anyone annoying me at Twitter. I only follow people I'm interested in reading stuff from. And I don't give a crap about everything else.

Re:Twitter? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33623786)

Again, it's not people doing annoying things on Twitter, it's people using Twitter as a poor substitute for other technologies. It doesn't happen very often and it's far from the most annoying thing on the net; it's more an example of how for any given technology someone will have a bad idea on how to use it. For the one site where I do miss an RSS feed I just wrote a scraper that builds one for me. Problem solved.

The pointless use of URL shorteners is a bit more annoying but it doesn't happen often enough to be a real issue.

Getting focused? (2, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33618052)

Seriously ... using the word focused in relation to a website/service that doesn't allow messages long enough to really even complete a thought in writing?

Twitter is entirely about serving people with absolutely no focus what so ever. Seems like 'focusing' would be exactly what they don't want to do.

Of course, I think twitter is about the dumbest service I've ever seen. It was a retard solution to the fact that phones had a no useful email client really because for some odd reason, no one has realized that a proper imap setup is all thats needed to get 'push' messaging. Twitter made sense before everyone that texted had phones that were more than capable of using a real alternative that actually allows to you complete at least one thought in a single message.

Re:Getting focused? (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#33619250)

It's easy to bash Twitter, but the message length isn't a very good attack vector. People have been using SMS for quite a while now, they're accustomed to expressing themselves in short messages. Also, nobody expects you to communicate complete thoughts through Twitter messages, it's for communicating bits of information to an audience - which may or may not make up a train of thought.
Comparing that to email is doesn't make sense either, as Twitter messages are intended for a larger audience than email is.

Bashing things works better with at least some clue about the subject..

Re:Getting focused? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621280)

Most sane people also think texting rather than just making a phone call is rather stupid.

Texting is almost as useless as twitter. Again, you don't need to text, any sane email server/client does push, AND its freaking reliable unlike text messages and twitter. Its fully distributed and theres no ties to any single company.

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