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Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mageia

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the onward-and-upward dept.

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Anssi55 writes "As most of the Mandriva employees working on the Linux distribution were laid off due to the liquidation of Edge-IT (a subsidiary of Mandriva SA) and trust in the company has diminished, the development community (including the core developers) has decided to fork the project. The new Linux distribution, named Mageia, will be managed by a not-for-profit organization that will be set up in the coming days. There are already many people that have decided to follow the fork, but the people behind it are still welcoming any help offered in the various tasks related to establishing the new distribution."

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fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620272)

fuck

that's gonna rock

Re:fuck (3, Funny)

Buzzo (678060) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620306)

What the fork?

This could be the year of desktop linux! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620488)

If they can get that thing to work with a printer and download pictures from a camera, people might consider using it.

Name (3, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620314)

Why do OS developers and other free software creators always pick user unfriendly names. When ever someone who knows nothing about free software/linuix asks me what free alternatives they could use I get a weird look from them when I tell them about Thunderbird, Firefox, Ubuntu, Amarok, Gimp and etc...

Re:Name (2, Interesting)

valros (1741778) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620330)

I think here user unfriendly means different, the reason so many other names are "friendlier" is because they've been used so many times before.

Re:Name (4, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620352)

Yes because Excel, Powerpoint, Quicken, Maya, and Twitter are so much better . . .

Re:Name (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620704)

Actually, they are for the most part.

Powerpoint says something about what you do with it and conveys positive imagery - it's powerful, it's something you point at (a presentation). Excel - it doesn't really say what it is, but it conveys the idea of speed and success, which are important in business. Likewise with Quicken - they verbed an adjective (quick) that means something, and while potentially having some strange linguistic associations (quicken/quickening is the moment in pregnancy when a fetus' movement is first felt), that is not exactly an everyday word in the English language so the associations aren't very strong.

Maya has two common associations - it refers to the concept of the illusory nature of the world in the Hindu religious tradition, and it refers to an early central American civilization renowned for their relative scientific advancement - the former one, while not incredibly well known, is a pretty cool name for a 3D rendering package, and the name sounds good, not awkward on the tongue.

Twitter is an incredibly annoying sounding name in the English language. Not something I'd name a product I wanted anybody serious to ever use. But it is somewhat descriptive of what the annoying people do using this product - post small blurbs of inane content, like a bunch of giggling schoolgirls. So yeah, I don't love that name, but I see where it came from.

Now we come to Mageia. While it has a cool association if you are familiar with ancient Greek (magic arts, sorcery), I wouldn't have known that without looking it up, and I consider myself rather well educated and linguistically saavy. It won't trigger that association immediately, even in most geeky users, to be honest. But beyond that, the word formation is very awkward to pronounce in English. Worse even than "Linux", which suffered for many years from "I don't know how to pronounce it so it's awkward to discuss in a business context" syndrome, and is apparently still pronounced differently in the US vs. Europe (according to Wikipedia). Nevertheless, Linux is much less awkward to read or to say than "Mageia". But put together, "Mageia Linux", and it's pretty terrible sounding.

Furthermore, as some have pointed out, the name sounds out similarly to "my-gay-a" or "ma-gay-a" in American English. The word "gay" meaning homosexual but also now being a generic insult used by preteens to mean something that is stupid or just plain sucks - well, I can't see that being an association people want to make, particularly if you just heard this name pronounced rather than reading it and seeing it spelled out.

So I think it's fair to say that "Mageia Linux" is a pretty bad name indeed.

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620836)

Mod parent up 1+ funny.

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620984)

Thank your for that.

It was complete and utter bollocks.

Re:Name (1, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620712)

Excel and Powerpoint aren't great, but their main brand was Microsoft Office until they got brand recognition on their own. So:

Microsoft Office vs OpenOffice: 1/2-1/2
MSIE vs Firefox: Internet Explorer, hello? 1-0
Outlook vs Thunderbird: As a hint to the calendaring functionality. 1-0
Windows vs Ubuntu: Not great but what makes windows pop up on your machine. 1-0
Windows Media Player vs Amarok: Media player? 1-0
Photoshop vs Gimp? P-h-o-t-o-shop! 1-0
Quicken vs GnuCash - Agreed, 0-1 to free software here

Total score: 5.5-1.5

Maya is more what I'd consider a professional application at $3500 MSRP, names matter little and doesn't really belong.
Twitter is not so much software as it is a service, not sure exactly what open source to compare against either. What's the OSS variety of Twitter?

Re:Name (5, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621066)

Excel and Powerpoint aren't great, but their main brand was Microsoft Office until they got brand recognition on their own.

Incorrect and backwards.

Excel and PowerPoint had both been successful stand-alone products for several years before "Microsoft Office" was conceived, as a bundle (with Word) of three popular, name-brand products at a lower total price. At the time, Excel had just overtaken 1-2-3 as the best-selling spreadsheet program, and this was an effort at coattails-style marketing synergy, as avid Word users would become Excel and PowerPoint users, Excel fans would switch to Word and Powerpoint, etc. What Microsoft would lose in revenue they'd gain in market share, a tactic that contributed to the decline of WordPerfect, Borland, and Lotus, and Microsoft's near-monopoly on commercial office suites.

This was around the same time that Microsoft started making "Microsoft" part of the official names of the applications, amalgamating its line of popular individual software products into a monolithic brand: not just "Microsoft's spreadsheet program, Excel" but "the spreadsheet program Microsoft Excel". This went further as "Microsoft Excel" became "Microsoft Office Excel". (And if not for the anti-vertical-integration court cases, I suspect it would be bundled as "Microsoft Office Windows Excel" by now.)

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620738)

What's wrong with Maya ?

Re:Name (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621208)

Just because you can list some popular software packages that have stupid names doesn't change the point any.

Eventually people know what those names mean, however until you develop critical mass the name hurts.

Re:Name (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621286)

How do you get modded up for that crap? Aside from Maya, all of those are fantastic names for products. Ubuntu, on the other hand...

Re:Name (1)

Xemu (50595) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620362)

Well, Thunderbird and Firefox are a lot more userfriendly than your average car brand name or medication, yet the cars are bought. F-150, Escape Hybrid, E-series... not very userfriendly. Yet popular.
zafirlukast, rabeprazole, fexofenadine - even less userfriendly. Yet very popular

The gimp name is a marketing nightmare and probably has caused the software to be banned from more corporations than the developers realize.

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620440)

The gimp name is a marketing nightmare and probably has caused the software to be banned from more corporations than the developers realize.

What's so bad about a decoration, something well-formed, or a dressmaker's tool that it needs to be banned? (Also, please name three of these corporations.)

Oh, I see, you don't know what the word "gimp" means, and only associate it with the once-sarcastic use as a nickname for crippled people, a usage which originates in an age when the tall guy was "Shorty" and the fat guy was "Tiny."

( Whoa, freaky - my captcha for this was "inverses." )

Re:Name (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620624)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gimp [reference.com]

Definition 3 also happens to be the one most people are familiar with. GIMP is a *horrible* name for that reason, and I can tell you that, while not banned, I had a manager look at me and say, "No, we'll just buy Photoshop," one time when I suggested "Why not just grab a copy of Gimp from the web to get the intern working on some of these images you want?"

It does happen.

Re:Name (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620678)

It probably doesn't have to do with its name. Many corporations ban open source because they developed software licensing policies that reflected the need to avoid piracy of closed-source software, intentional or otherwise. Unfortunately, the policies usually say that they won't use a software program unless they have paid a license fee to someone. Such rules also sometimes preclude the use of "bundled"[1] applications as well.

[1] An example of what I mean by "bundled" in this case would be like a scanner that comes bundled with a photo editing tool.

Re:Name (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621006)

Funny, my company uses Apache, Tomcat, Perl, Python, PHP, Linux, GCC, Java, Eclipse, and a host of other FOSS software & tools. This has nothing to do with licensing or purchasing policies.

This was me, suggesting something to my manager, after which he looked at me like I had suggested we engage in a little light tickling - just for fun! - and then said, "No, let's just use Photoshop." The name gets an immediate response, and it's sometimes not a positive one.

If you choose a bad name for your software, this is going to happen. You won't be banned outright, managers will simply say, "No, let's just wait and get something professional." If Linux had named itself "DILDOS" (Dynamic Interactive Logical Display Operating System!), it probably wouldn't have gained much traction either, simply due to the snicker factor.

Re:Name (1)

grumling (94709) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620732)

"Why not just grab a copy of The GNU Image Processor from the web to get the intern working on some of these images you want?"

That may have gone over better.

Re:Name (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621018)

Yeah, I'll get right on wasting my time worrying about the branding of some software that I don't care a thing about. If you don't want people calling it "GIMP", don't name it "GIMP."

If you're saying that "GNU Image Processor" would be a "friendlier" name, then you're also implying that the term 'GIMP' will, at the very least raise a few eyebrows or cause a few snickers. And if that's the reaction you want for your software, that's fine. But if you want it to be seen as a viable alternative to a well-known proprietary package, then you don't hobble it with a terrible "hurr hurr you said dick" type of name.

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620884)

That dictionary kinda sucks. They have no mention of its use for a decoration, as in the saddle decorations called "gimps" by horsemen around here in the Western US since at least 1950.

  But then, appeal to internet dictionary is a lousy way to win an argument anyway.

  I also notice you couldn't name even one such company.

Re:Name (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621070)

"appeal to internet dictionary"? Dude, it's called a citation - it's not just a slang reference that somebody picked up from Pulp Fiction, 'gimp' is a legitimate word, referring to a limp. That's all that was intended to demonstrate - I'm not saying those other definitions aren't also legitimate, but let's be honest: ask somebody to define a "gimp", and see what the overwhelming response is - hint: most people aren't horsemen, or tailors.

As far as naming a company, why should I be bothered? I never claimed that 'many companies are refusing to use it,' I simply provided a single anecdote where at least my boss opted not to, for apparently no other reason than that he thought the name sounded unprofessional. You can refuse to believe it if you want, but you can't say the phenomenon doesn't exist: terrible branding gives a bad first impression.

Re:Name (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620652)

No, these names are English. That is not userfriendly but culturally biased.

Don't forget that Mandriva was in negotiations to get Russian state contracts. To me it looks like the Russians will simply sack Mandriva. The new distribution on a community/non-profit base is a perfect counter-weight.

Magea is magic.

Re:Name (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621276)

"Don't forget that Mandriva was in negotiations to get Russian state contracts. To me it looks like the Russians will simply sack Mandriva."

Uhm. For Russian speakers the word "Mandriva" sounds threateningly close to a slang word for "vagina".

Re:Name (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620920)

"The gimp name is a marketing nightmare and probably has caused the software to be banned from more corporations than the developers realize."

They realize by now, so it is obvious they don't care.

Re:Name (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620382)

Why do OS developers and other free software creators always pick user unfriendly names. When ever someone who knows nothing about free software/linuix asks me what free alternatives they could use I get a weird look from them when I tell them about Thunderbird, Firefox, Ubuntu, Amarok, Gimp and etc...

Why do car companies and other automobile manufactueres always pick user unfriendly names. When ever someone who knows nothing about motor vehicles asks me what their local car dealers have for sale I get a weird look from them when I tell them about Thunderbirds, Sophias, Imprezas, Miatas, Ram 350s and etc...

Re:Name (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620426)

One Word: Trademark.

its really hard these days to come up with useful names these days without infringing on another companies trademark. ESPECIALLY if you want to go international.

Re:Name (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620618)

One Word: Trademark.

its really hard these days to come up with useful names these days without infringing on another companies trademark. ESPECIALLY if you want to go international.

You mean like "Mandrake"? Hearst sued them [webmasterworld.com], but honestly, Mandriva? That's as bad as Mandrivel. Not like anyone cares any more.

Re:Name (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620802)

And I think you can extend that to names that don't actually infringe trademarks, but is sufficiently close that someone would make a trademark lawsuit. Very few open source projects have the resources to fight over a name, even if they would eventually get the case dismissed.

trademarks and domain names and brands, oh my! (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621198)

The trademark minefield and the growing exhaustion of the domain namespace are both culprits. It's increasingly true that "all of the good ones are taken".

But still.... "Mageia"?

Auto makers have the same problem, and yet they still (usually) manage to invent brand names that consumers will find easy to remember and easy to pronounce. "Mageia" is not. (I just had to look up to confirm the spelling, not a good sign.) A combination of three vowels in a row is confusing: do you pronounce each one? blend them? which ones together? It isn't even clear what language it's derived from, which would at least give someone who knows languages a fair chance of guessing correctly.... I can sound out French or Portuguese or German or any of a few others, but this is going to be different depending on which one I try.

Re:Name (1)

smoothnorman (1670542) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620468)

yeah! If a name can cause a project to be ill-fated we're looking at one here. At least choose a name that suggests a dominant pronunciation to your target audience. Even "manbearpig" would've been a better choice.

Re:Name (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620596)

Even "manbearpig" would've been a better choice.

That would have been an excellent choice for Microsoft Exchange... :-|

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620892)

At least choose a name that suggests a dominant pronunciation to your target audience.

Perhaps the target market is just more literate that you are. Lots of people have no trouble parsing more than two consecutive vowels.

Re:Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620470)

Oh god. Not this tired troll again. Can we just agree that 'Redundant' is a valid mod for this: Practically the same comment is posted on every story of a new open source project. I'm sure the replies will be the same again.

Re:Name (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620546)

I would agree. The fascination with recursive acronyms and "cute" names for mainstream products is not helping acceptance. Gimp is a good example, as it actually a good program that runs fine on Windows, but when people who want a photo editing program ask me for a free "photoshop" and I tell them "Gimp", they look at me like I just farted at the dinner table: Shocked and somewhat disgusted.

Hey, if you code the program, you can call it what you want, but if your goal is to get as many people using your software (which, in the absence of profit, would be the obvious indicated of success), then authors and groups might consider changing some names. Yes, part of the hacker culture is to have obscure names, but most people won't "get it", nor try the product if they think the name is too weird.

Most people wouldn't try "Burp Cola", even if a particular demographic thought the name was funny either.

Re:Name (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621220)

Gimp is a good example, as it actually a good program that runs fine on Windows

Apart from having to reset the "extended input devices" every now and then for my Wacom Bamboo tablet to be recogniced, yes.

This is not acceptable for production environment or, really, any environment. And the fact tha Gimp for Windows is unsupported doesn't really help anything.

Fork of a fork (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620338)

Rememer that Mandiva was forked from Red Hat when it was Mandrake, and had bits of Connectiva too.

Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620350)

Ahh open source... divide and conquer.

I recall Mandrake/Mandriva as one of the most user friendly distros when I used it... (IIRC around version 7 or 8).

In my opinion it would be really great if instead of doing another fork the Mageia developers tried to merge all the good features of Mandriva into Ubuntu.

I understand that Mandriva uses RPM and has several differences compared to Ubuntu, however merging both software would really benefit Ubuntu or better yet, Kubuntu (the chance to make it not suck).

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620486)

I would recommend helping openSUSE instead. Many technologies are similar and openSUSE is, in my opinion, one of the most nicely rounded distributions - it's just not the popular one.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620578)

openSUSE is as bloated as Windows XP, but I love that lizard logo. Best linux logo ever.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620614)

I'm afraid that a standard openSUSE install is just as small or bloated as a standard Ubuntu install, both increase significantly in size if you want all your favorite applications installed. However, you can create really slim distributions using SUSE Studio, - which is very nice for replacing default OSes on netbooks.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (3, Interesting)

bigtomrodney (993427) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620582)

I think it's loss in popularity has less to do with Ubuntu being what it is and more to do with how badly openSUSE fell apart in the 10.x releases. It went from being one of the most solid and user-friendly distros to failing its own dependency checks and making codecs more difficult to install. That was quite sad as it pioneered in taking the approach of providing codecs in the repos where they couldn't ship on the disc.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (3, Informative)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620604)

I would recommend helping openSUSE instead. Many technologies are similar and openSUSE is, in my opinion, one of the most nicely rounded distributions - it's just not the popular one.

Yeah, I wonder why.

Maybe because they don't come with repositories configured like ALL OTHER DISTRIBUTIONS out there, for NO REASON. And it's a PAIN to find the addresses, a PAIN to use Yast to pull from them (proxies, non intuitive dialogs, etc, etc)

That, and Suse smoked the data from my HD once.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620846)

Oh, my, YaST. Yes, it's awful: it was designed to be a "do everything here" tool, and is instead a "do everything wrong here" tool. From merging non-RPM software installation, with always out of date components, into an RPM based system and refusing to resolve the issues, to its insistance that installing a new kernel means deleting all your old ones, it's not a good tool.

SuSE's default usage of ReiserFS was typical of EU software development: use the tool from the nice German boy, then find out he treats your files like he treated his Russian mail order bride. Thrash her the way she asks for until she demands more than you can provide, then secretly delete her, pretend it wasn't you, then get caught trying to hide the evidence. (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-07/ff_hansreiser?currentPage=all)

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1)

lbbros (900904) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621020)

You can easily select "community repositories" from YaST. No need to know addresses and everything. And zypper, the package management tool (command-line), is also quite powerful nowadays. Plus, you have the openSUSE Build Service to make your own packages (and with kde-obs-generator you can make ones without knowing too much about packaging as well), openSUSE and other distros alike.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621250)

You can easily select "community repositories" from YaST.

Which version!?

You also cannot do 'network install' by picking from a list, last time I tried.

The main problem is doing work with past versions (which is 90% of the time I used Suse)

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (2, Funny)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620496)

Hell, I'm still using Mandrake. It's my firewall but still, I haven't had any problems.

[John]

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (3, Informative)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620512)

Traditionally, a proprietary fork has always been a bad thing. However, there's not so much evidence for that in open source. Most of the time the two forks take ideas from each other, both advancing faster till the stage where one of them stagnates and hands over it's features to the other.

From the user point of view this is great; you don't get data lock in because the source code always lets you see how the formats work; you do get much faster advancing software and it doesn't even really matter which fork you pick (though going with the community rather than the company has always been a good pick; just beware that often the community is with the company).

Just because forks are bad in proprietary software doesn't mean the same here.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620872)

It's not that forks are bad... they can be really good (e.g. X.org, gcc/egcs). However, in the case of "desktop linux", people complain again and again on the lack of "standards" (e.g., each distribution has its own GUI for network config, control panel, etc ).

Regarding code reuse/sharing, that is something I have always wondered about desktop distros. We have YaST, mandriva control center and ubuntu control center (or however they are named); back when I used Mandrake, I always wondered why didn't the other distros just copied the code of the Mandrake config tools (as they were the most user friendly) and adapted them to the other distros...

It seems to me there is a lot of reinventing the wheel between desktop distributions.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621184)

Sometimes, sometimes it looks like they just duplicated effort moving at much slower speed like the radeon/radeonhd drivers. Branching is a quite necessary tool in OSS, diverging forks not so much. That usually just means there's too different goals or too much ego on one and the same project. That doesn't include the forks where pretty much all the development switches to a fork, like say xorg fork where the xfree project was essentially dead. Or some other not development-related stuff happening like MySQL getting bought out.

Re:Don't do it... join forces to Ubuntu. (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620986)

No, they should merge all the good features of Ubuntu into Mandriva. That way you would not only have a good distro, but it would be one that wouldn't bail out during the install and would actually work with damn near any hardware you throw at it (i.e. Dell BCM43 chips - last time I tried to get one of those on Ubuntu it took _days_. On Mandriva it just worked.)

Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (3, Interesting)

GodWasAnAlien (206300) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620414)

Given the roots of Mandriva/Mandrake, perhaps merging with Fedora should be considered.

Or perhaps Ubuntu may be interested.

I don't think there is a need for this thing to live independently.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620446)

Wasn't Mandriva a KDE distro? Given that, they should join the ranks of Kubuntu - given the quality of recent releases, those guys must be terribly understaffed.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (2, Insightful)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620912)

A common misconception. Mandriva has always supported both KDE and Gnome. And it's always been better than every other distro at providing choice, ease of use, and development packages.

Hopefully if this Mageia thing takes off I can easily switch RPM repositories. Otherwise I suppose my installation is in jeopardy if Mandriva doesn't spring back up to its former glory.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (1)

anshulajain (1359933) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621166)

Mandriva has (surprisingly) a very very polished GNOME distro...considering that they really do not have (had) enough manpower for GNOME packages as they do for KDE.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (2, Interesting)

koterica (981373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620688)

There is always the question: Diversify or focus? However, we do not need redundant diversity. Basically, in order to decide if it is worth keeping a separate distro, we should determine if Mandriva had any goals that were unique. If not, by all means merge. However, if there is something unique about Mandriva (I haven't used it, I have no idea), than some effort should be made to preserve those unique goals. I am guessing that the people who are forking the project feel that it is worth keeping Mandriva alive as a separate project.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (4, Insightful)

Urza9814 (883915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621008)

As a former Mandriva user (now on Arch) - there is very much a need for Mandriva to continue. It's the distro I always recommend to newbies, and as far as I know it's the only distro that is both extremely user-friendly and has excellent hardware support. I've seen far too many people give up on Linux because Ubuntu didn't like some piece of hardware. For a newbie's first Linux distro, you need to have at least basic support for _all_ hardware straight from the install. I've never seen Mandriva fail at that...and I've also never seen Ubuntu succeed.

Re:Why not just merge with Fedora or Ubuntu (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33621116)

Why the fuck would they want to merge with Fedora? Is it their mission to find the latest half-finished new crap that no-one except its developer wants, and shove it down their users' throats?

Sure. More the merrier (3, Funny)

abhishekupadhya (1228010) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620460)

The world could use one more distro.

Re:Sure. More the merrier (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620744)

* make Linux and free software straightforward to use for everyone;
  * provide integrated system configuration tools;
  * keep a high-level of integration between the base system, the desktop (KDE/GNOME) and applications; especially improve third-parties (be it free of proprietary software) integration;
  * target new architectures and form-factors;
  * improve our understanding of computers and electronics devices users.

How is this different from lots of other distros we already have? PCLinuxOS, Mint Linux, Kubuntu/Ubuntu...? They should call it YADL (Yet Another Desktop Linux). Shouldn't they be trying to do something different? How about a user friendly version of a fast/lite Linux. Something like Arch Linux or Gentoo with a GUI installer maybe? Or a mandriva fast and lite distro? The Mandriva-like equivalent of something like Lubuntu. If someone wants bloated, slow, but easy to use they can just install Windows 7, or Windows XP for that matter. I really don't get the point of all these Linux distros that want to install every Linux app ever written. That's the Microsoft Way. IMO, lite/fast or custom installs are the way. As Windows continues to grow exponentially larger and slower (Win7 requires a 40 GB partition), people may eventually throw up their hands and install a more sensible alternative that does what an operating system is supposed to do: run other programs, and that's all. And if they really, really want to go for Windows market share they could start by writing a GUI that is indistinguishable from Windows XP. IOW, something people are already used to. Then the only difference would be what applications they can (or can't) run and how much faster and more secure it is.

Re:Sure. More the merrier (2, Interesting)

anshulajain (1359933) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621014)

Mandriva as a distro is pretty much dead. Mageia lives on as the "new Mandriva". It will end up being a replacement and is not "just another distro"

Why not Vulva? Why not Vagina? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620462)

Why not these or other body parts?

Re:Why not Vulva? Why not Vagina? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620702)

Because those are proper names: vagina is and Vulnavia is close enough. And I don't mean Alota Vagaine.

Mandriva (1)

dontgetshocked (1073678) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620484)

I hope something comes of this,Mandriva is an excellent distro.It is not my primary but nonetheless it rocks.

Re:Mandriva (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620562)

I am really saddened by the news. I have used Mandriva as my primary distro for several years, and every time I've tried any other distro I've always come back to Mandriva. There just is something so wrong in every distro that none of them can compare to it. Sure, it has its own niggles but overall it has less sharp corners than the competition and the corners aren't as lethal either. Now with all the core devs gone Mandriva is going to die and I don't know what distro to migrate to... :'(

Re:Mandriva (1)

ianalis (833346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620670)

Me to. I don't like *Ubuntu and I'm too spoiled to use Fedora (KDE is no longer its primary DE too).

And, the names get worse (0, Redundant)

haruchai (17472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620494)

I used to be a big Mandrake fan, even though most of my Linux buddies spurned it - not hardcore enough for them. Interestingly, most of those now either run Mac OS X on their personal machines or Ubuntu - go figure. Fork all you want, but the NAMES? Gah, "Man Driver" was bad enough but now we have "My Gayer". Yah, even if I decide to try this one out, I guarantee it'll be running in a VM on a server hidden away "in a closet".

Re:And, the names get worse (4, Funny)

haruchai (17472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620538)

Also, that other Mandrake fork, PCLinuxOS is just as a bad a name - why didn't Bill Reynolds call it Texstar Linux? Calling a distro PCLinuxOS is like naming your dog BarkingMammal.

Re:And, the names get worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620690)

Calling a distro PCLinuxOS is like naming your dog BarkingMammal.

I want to see this as the quote at the bottom of Slashdot.

Re:And, the names get worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33621238)

PC Licks Ass?

Go Mageia! (3, Insightful)

12357bd (686909) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620532)

Mandrake/Mandriva has been by far, the best KDE oriented linux distro, amd one the most user friendly. I hope Mageia keeps the good things on! Go Mageia!

Re:Go Mageia! (2, Interesting)

Arker (91948) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620672)

Mandrake/Mandriva has been by far, the best KDE oriented linux distro, amd one the most user friendly. I hope Mageia keeps the good things on! Go Mageia!

A very subjective statement - users of Slackware and OpenSUSE and even Kubuntu might disagree.

I havent tried it in awhile but it always aimed at somewhat the same audience as Ubuntu, only based on RH infrastructure rather than Debian, and defaulting to KDE rather than Gnome. It's good to have choices, even if that makes the assessment of 'the best' more difficult and less emotionally satisfying. For some this is certainly the best choice, and I too hope the distribution continues well beyond its commercial origin.

Re:Go Mageia! (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620828)

So what was the difference between Kubuntu and Mandriva? I haven't tried either one.

They're almost completely different. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620876)

So what was the difference between Kubuntu and Mandriva?

They only have "n" in common. Pretty different distros.

Re:Go Mageia! (2, Interesting)

tronkel (1128393) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621112)

PCLinuxOS is a Mandriva variant which works beautifully on PCs and is indispensable to me for use on my netbook. Mandriva itself is also great on netbooks. A primary example, that illustrates that Mandriva makes an excellent base to build other distros on. Mandriva seemed to produce solutions that were a breath of fresh air in comparison to the straight-thinking Ubuntu. No criticism of Ubuntu intended here. It's also a big favourite of mine. Remains to be seen though if PCLinuxOs can still produce the goods independently of Mandriva. OK, Mandriva is one of many fine Linux distros out there - but it had a certain something when it came to thinking out of the box. I for one am sorry to hear this sad news. I hope the valued development traditions will somehow continue as a new incarnation of of the distro. If the developers are willing, this ought not to be a problem.

good (4, Funny)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620610)

Phew. I was beginning to think there might not be enough Linux distributions.

Re:good (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621218)

There are an infinite number of Linux distributions spread across an infinite number of universes.

The problem is just finding the right universe to start looking in.

eh (1)

buddyglass (925859) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620648)

Honestly I wish they'd just glom onto some other popular distro and make it even better. Between Fedora, SuSE, Mint and all the flavors of Ubuntu, do we really need Mandriva?

My eyes! (4, Funny)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620708)

Goddamn, I skimmed the headline in my RSS feed and saw "Developers Fork Mandriva Linux, Creating Mangina."
I really need to cut back on the caffeine. :\

Re:My eyes! (1)

PotatoFiend (1330299) | more than 3 years ago | (#33621236)

I usually find "Did anyone else read xxxxx?" posts contrived, unfunny whoring for Funny moderation, but this time I actually read the same thing as you. Since the advent of "Mandriva", "Mangina" certainly seems plausible.

MGG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620722)

How about: MagicGayGit?

I just looked it up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33620886)

Funny they don't want to add in how to pronounce it or what it means on their page...anyway, it is a greek word relating to magic or sorcery. mag-i'-ah

With that out of the way...stupid move. Give it up all you devs there. Please go join an existing project. We have WAY MORE than enough "distros", especially ones with weird incomprehensible names and a low user/developer base. Is it that hard to learn from history? This has fail written all over it in advance.

Not trying to be snarky or engaging in flambeau baiting, but really..if you ever wake up one day and want to build your own linux distro..DON'T. If you have skills, please try to pick one of the existing top three and make one of those better instead, or work just directly for gnome or KDE or something. Fragmentation is good for..grenades, and that is about it.

Just when I thought their distro name could not (-1, Redundant)

melted (227442) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620918)

Just when I thought their distro name could not sound any more gay (I mean, come on, admit it "Man driver" was pretty bad), they turn around and prove me dead wrong.

Which way to go? (1)

advid.net (595837) | more than 3 years ago | (#33620932)

As a big Mandriva fan, since Mandrake 5 - the begining - I 'm quite concerned with all the troubles of this company. I run Mandriva for all my Linux boxes : file server, gateway, laptop, ... (except the NAS with embeded vendor distro) . From time to time I try some other distribution, but I always go back to Mandriva, I feel quite at home with it.

This time I really wonder if this could make me switch to Mageia... I'd like to hear some other fans : we will all give a try to Mageia but will you switch if the real Mandriva is still alive, making new versions ?

About the name Mageia, I don't mind, but I'd like to build the original Mandrake theme, with the magician, even if it can't be release officially due to registered marks.

Mangina (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33621180)

For some reason I keep thinking the word "mangina".

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