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First Reviews of Civilization V

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the get-your-lust-on dept.

Classic Games (Games) 380

An anonymous reader submitted linkage to a story explaining why Hemos has been twitching for a week in anticipation: "Defying the urge to phone-in an unambitious sequel and coast on past successes, Sid Meier's Civilization V is anything but a lazy rehash. It feels almost as if someone described the concept of the renowned 19-year-old turn-based strategy series to a talented designer who'd never played it, and let him come up with his own version. It's similar enough to be familiar to veterans, different enough to be fresh, and its polish and accessibility make it a great place for new players to pick up one hell of a Civ addiction."

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Just...one...more...turn... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653558)

Just... another... one...

My Review... (3, Informative)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653572)

Been playing it all morning.

Be back later.

Re:My Review... (2, Interesting)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654072)

I try not to read reviews as these days they're little more than advertising funded press releases.

A few questions...

Is it actually any good? The video I saw of some gameplay made it look like a console game designed
for the lowest common denominator. I understand them wanting to improve graphics and change it to appeal
to non-civ fans but I'd be happy with a Civ4 that didnt run constantly out of memory.

Can you still zoom out to see more than 4 blocks away?

most important...

Does Spock still beep...beep...beep?

Re:Just...one...more...turn... (4, Insightful)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653696)

Ok, it's midnight. One more turn.

One more.

Five more.

Oh crap, sunrise! I gotta go to work!

One more.

Re:Just...one...more...turn... (2, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654350)

Ok, it's midnight. One more turn. One more. Five more. Oh crap, sunrise! I gotta go to work! One more.

Me and my roommates used to have a joke that we were calling in "civ" to work or taking a "civ" day if we stayed up too late the night before playing.

Re:Just...one...more...turn... (4, Funny)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653786)

I don't think I'm going to get Civilization V. The last time I played Civilization, I sat down at 9 AM and got up again at about 6 AM of the next day, having completely forgotten to eat or sleep.

Oh, who am I kidding? I'll be the first one at the counter.

Re:Just...one...more...turn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654210)

I'd buy it if it was available here but for some stupid reason they impose country specific limits on downloaded versions.
They had their chance to get full price from me but blew it.
I'll torrent it and buy it once the price drops below £10

Civilization 'V' (2, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653570)

What does the 'V' stand for? "Victory"? "Vendetta"? "Venereal Disease"?

I was lost for Civilization II - Why the two 'I's? Confused me with World War II - "eye eye".....

Re:Civilization 'V' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653624)

WTH ? is this a joke ? I don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals

Re:Civilization 'V' (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653674)

V stands for "Vwooosh!"

Re:Civilization 'V' (3, Funny)

The Car (1846356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653626)

You, sir, are obviously not familiar with the metric system.

Re:Civilization 'V' (3, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653666)

V stands for vacation. You're going to have to request one if you're not going to get fired.

Re:Civilization 'V' (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653720)

Vernacular. As in, why aren't you good at yours? trolololol

Re:Civilization 'V' (3, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653764)

It refers to Rocky V, which was the fifth movie. It stood for Very.

Re:Civilization 'V' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654220)

@AnonymousClown V = #vagina. its the closest most #slashdorks will get.

Wine? (2, Interesting)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653578)

What is the wine status? I want to know whether to get it right away or wait for wine to gain proper support for it..

Re:Wine? (5, Funny)

a whoabot (706122) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653700)

You'll probably have to research Monarchy, and also have a source of grapes.

Re:Wine? (2, Interesting)

Robotron23 (832528) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653782)

Raises an interesting point; in Civilization IV do you need to have researched a technology required to gather a luxury resource like wine to be able to receive it in a trade?

It's plain to see you can't get strategical goods like iron in trade without Iron Working and so on, but as a casual Civ player I'm uncertain about less vital things like luxury resources...

If you do need the tech, then it's certain you'll need Monarchy for wine; probability won't enter the equation.

Re:Wine? (1, Funny)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653828)

If he is waiting for it on Linux he'll have sour grapes. IT'S A JOKE ALRIGHT!! :)

Re:Wine? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653818)

Get a Windows machine, you god damn dirt neckbeard Linux dweeb hippie.

Re:Wine? (2, Insightful)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653898)

Why? My current operating system runs everything I need fine, including StarCraft II. I'm not a big gamer, I have other things to do with my life, but StarCraft and Civilization are the exceptions to the rule.
And I'll have you know that my neckbeard is quite clean. ;)

Re:Wine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654414)

This is the equivalent of an elegant riposte from a brute force swipe. Bravo!

Re:Wine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654206)

Need to reset my desktop's wine prefix. Installed fine on my laptop but can barely run it at minimum settings.

Farewell Starcraft II (1)

dunsel (559042) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653580)

Farewell Starcraft II, we had a good run but my heart now lies with Civilization V.

Re:Farewell Starcraft II (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653900)

They're both very different games.

Re:Farewell Starcraft II (2, Interesting)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653948)

Yep, but you can only really play one of the two at a time.

I'm in much the same boat as that poster -- Starcraft 2's nice enough for what it is (although it still pales to SC1 in most respects for me) but Civ 5 will probably be getting my gaming time for a while.

Reading along... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653592)

Reading tfa... Most interesting so far:
Hexagons instead of squares. And this:
"Civ I through IV are like Risk, where you can stack all your armies on one space and march around the world conquering everything in your path. Civ V scraps that system in favor of something more like global-scale chess, where each space can only be occupied by one combat unit at a time, and some, like archers and artillery, can attack over a distance."

That's all for now.

Re:Reading along... (1)

happy_place (632005) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653724)

I wonder if they ripped _Age_of_Wonders'_ Adjacent Hex rule... Every unit immediately adjacent the hex where the attack could occur were also pulled into that hex for combat. This added a new level of strategy, in that you moved your stacks in groups of three. Modified to include extra range (two hexes adjacent, for example), could be a cool mod to that rule.

Re:Reading along... (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654314)

I wonder if they ripped _Age_of_Wonders'_ Adjacent Hex rule... Every unit immediately adjacent the hex where the attack could occur were also pulled into that hex for combat.

Diplomacy had this first, at least some variation of it.

CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653614)

I spent lord knows how many hours with the Civilization series. Countless memories of LAN parties and late night solo games. I'm hoping Civilization V will provide more of the same kind of memories.

Everything I've read about the way things have been streamlined seems to be like a good direction to go. Not sure I'm keen on them dropping religion from the game, but nearly everything else I've heard about seems like a shift in the right direction.

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (5, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653916)

Religion was horribly overpowered or over-abused in Civ4 - Most of my multiplayer game lobbies were a scramble to see who could get the civilizations with the Mystical starting research, so they could jump right into Buddhism and Hinduism. I mean, once the races were picked, then people would all research polytheism and meditation, then it was a cointoss on who got it first.

Eventually, as the games would progress on, whoever got the religions first would end up winning. It put you so far ahead of everyone else, there was no real way to catch up. The only way you got to Mega cities of 17 Population or more was mostly to do with keeping people happy, not so much about keeping them fed, and since Religion gave you an early burst in happiness, you had a more productive city than everyone else, so you generated more research, and were able to get a great person sooner (usually a priest! no doubt). Then they get to Monarchy sooner so they can just do that "military keeps people happy" civic and then they've got an a mega city that works because its so well defended. So then whoever gets the first priest ends up using the priest to get another religion. And Bam, before you know it, One person has founded 4 or 5 of the religions, and has an amazing economy because of it, has good culture to spread better than you can, and has the happiness available to use slavery to catch up on the infrastructure. If you attacked him early on you cripple yourself for everyone else to take you out, if you leave him be he wins automagically. You dare not attack him later because he's further in the tech tree than you (at least defensively) - so you ride it out. By late game, He still has 100% dedicated to research and is raking in over 100 gold per turn, and then when he feels like finishing it, he switches to universal suffrage, nationalism, and Theocracy, and pumps out an instant army and steams rolls each civilization 1 by 1.

I am glad they dropped religion, it ruined Civ4 multiplayer for me.

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654002)

Hmm...interesting. I guess I have a different view of it, since every multiplayer game of Civ IV I played was either at a LAN or when a couple of friends stayed over for the weekend...never did any online multiplayer.

Speaking of friends coming over for the weekend, here's a fun Civ IV drinking game: Every time Nimoy says something, you do a shot of beer. Every time you take over a city (not build one, just take over), you do a shot of whiskey. Every time a player (computer or actual person) gets knocked out, everyone guzzles a beer.

Things get interesting REAL fast.

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654096)

Well - yes - when playing with people I know, it becomes a very person very exciting experience, as no one is really in that "I NEED to win" attitude, its more of a "Let's have some fun and see what happens" kind of mood.

We never really did a drinking game - but we did drink while playing it. And yes - those games become quite hilarious. (Why do your archers spell out LOL in the landscape?)

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654260)

Well - yes - when playing with people I know, it becomes a very person very exciting experience, as no one is really in that "I NEED to win" attitude, its more of a "Let's have some fun and see what happens" kind of mood.

This was my favorite part of playing it at a LAN. Very laid back. One of my fave Civ IV memories:

Super long weekend...me, my then-fiance (now wife), her uncle, and three friends all took a Thursday and Friday off. We all congregated at my wife's uncle's house on Thursday morning, and got everything set up. Early Thursday afternoon, we started playing a 6-player game. My wife's uncle and one of our friends were competing with each other, while the rest of us were focusing on culture, technology, or religion. Because there were so many people in the game, sometimes turns took 10-20 minutes to complete. While waiting for turns to finish, I played through the entirety of Mirror's Edge.

Such an amazing weekend.

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654056)

Maybe someone will mod religion back in. Sure, it just amounted to a diplomacy bonus, but it added a lot of character to the game. There's something glorious about the moment when your missionaries have converted almost everyone (including Saladin) to Christianity, and your safety as you push on to a culture victory is all but guaranteed.

Re:CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT (1, Flamebait)

nigelo (30096) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654318)

Not sure I'm keen on them dropping religion from the game, but nearly everything else I've heard about seems like a shift in the right direction.

Now if we could just get civilization to drop it from RL...

Can we have a Linux version... Please... (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653636)

I paid for both Loki releases and I would have loved to be able to waste time again and again and again with Civ old and new :) A linux version of a new Civ would be most welcome and I will be glad to pay for it.
However, that does not seem to be on the menu so until then it looks like the "commuter train game" will still be Nethack again and again.

DRM? (3, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653644)

I didn't see anything in the review related to DRM. That's an essential subject for any game review these days.

Re:DRM? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653690)

The DRM is steam based. So it's either amazingly good, or it will consume your first, second, and third born in order to let you play.

Re:DRM? (4, Informative)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653710)

I didn't see anything in the review related to DRM. That's an essential subject for any game review these days.

It uses Steam, the opinions on which are divided. You might like it, or you might not.

Multiplayer is done over Steam.

The demo also requires Steam.

Even if you purchase an actual retail box with the game, you still have to create a Steam account. The only thing the box gives you is less time spent downloading the initial game. But you'll get your patches through Steam, not separate downloads.

That's pretty much it.

Re:DRM? (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653884)

I kind of hate Steam (disclaimer, it works great for lots of my friends who love it, etc.) because out of the half dozen or so games I've bought through it so far, 0% have worked without extra Steam-related problems. I assume it's something about my machine but I'm in the "this shit should just work" camp and avoid Steam whenever I can now.

I hate Steam, but I don't hate it enough to skip Civ 5. Woe is me.

And for those who don't use Steam (5, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653914)

An explanation of how their DRM works:

The executables for the game are built to need to launch Steam (it can be cracked, of course). When you run the game, Steam must be running on the system. If it is not currently, it will be spawned. Steam will then need to log in with a user and password that has purchased that game. By default, it will log in online which gives access to things like achievements, online chat, multi-player and so on. Also any game the person has purchase is available. If it is not installed on the system, it can be downloaded. There is no restriction on the number of downloads, you can download to new systems or reinstall as often as you like.

However if an Internet connection is not available, or if requested by the user, it will log in offline mode. You will have access to any games that account has purchased that are currently installed on the system. Obviously you can't download any new ones if you aren't online.

As you might guess you do require an Internet connection the first time a game is installed. You either need to be online to download it, or if purchased retail, online to activate it and add it to your account.

However no matter what, Steam has to be running and has to be logged in with a legit account, be it online or offline.

Also because of the activation, the game may not be resold. It becomes tied to your Steam account. I suppose you could make an account just for that one game and then sell the account with the game, but as a practical matter Steamworks games cannot be transferred or resold.

So it is not the least invasive DRM, but it isn't horrible. It does come with some bonuses too, like the download capability. Buy a game retail, it is associated with your account. Losing the DVD is no problem, just redownload it. The Steam interface provides nice perks too. However it does mean no resale and you have to run Steam to play.

I consider it an acceptable DRM, but some do not.

Re:And for those who don't use Steam (1)

kungfugleek (1314949) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654310)

Also because of the activation, the game may not be resold.

I thought that you could "gift" games away after you bought them. Am I wrong about that?

You are incorrect (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654352)

You can only gift new games. So if I wanted to buy you a game, I could do that. I'd purchase it, say it was a gift, and then specify who for. However existing games can't be gifted:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?p_faqid=549 [steampowered.com]

Re:And for those who don't use Steam (1)

viper34j (1401493) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654394)

You are wrong about that.

Re:DRM? (1)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654010)

LAN play works in Steam offline mode according to the FAQ [2kgames.com] . You still have to install the Steam client and get spammed with their ads even if you buy a boxed edition, but you can still play on a LAN (unlike certain other LAN gaming franchises we could name - which have been cracked anyway).

I'm curious whether they did this more for "zomg the pirates" or because they want to force people who play it at home with their family to buy multiple copies. Personally, I'd be more inclined to worry about hampering migration from Civ 5. Say someone plays it at home with their wife and two kids...okay, that's four copies of Civ 5 now versus continuing to play Civ 4 this weekend. And next. And so forth. Raising the barrier to entry can be problematic when you're self-competing.

Re:DRM? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653712)

It uses steamworks [gamepolitics.com] . YMMV, as far as that being a good or a bad thing is concerned. (Good thing, in my opinion.)

Re:DRM? (4, Insightful)

emkyooess (1551693) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653910)

My review: It forces Steam on your machine. Therefore, it's a "don't purchase" title.

Re:DRM? (2, Informative)

Tassach (137772) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654272)

I agree. I refuse to purchase anything contaminated by Steam.

Sorry, Sid. I've bought every Civ game that's ever come out, but you've lost me as a customer.

Re:DRM? (1)

splatter (39844) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654378)

yup seconded. I stopped FPS with Half Life and now that Civ has gone with steam I will have plenty of time to go do other things, like go out.

Re:DRM? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654382)

So why not buy a copy of the retail game, then download a cracked torrent? The devs get their money, you get another Civ game minus the DRM, and everyone's happy.

DRM is generally a publisher's decision anyway. Don't take it out on the developer.

No more religion? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653736)

I can't force everyone to convert to Confucianism anymore?

Re:No more religion? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653770)

One of our many memorable Civilization IV LAN games involved one of my friends starting to take over the world with Christianity. Then, my friend playing as the Arabs came in and wiped him out...then, myself, trying to spread Judaism, shifted gears and started churning out units (I was on an island). I went on to murderate everyone and won a domination victory.

Classic stuff.

Re:No more religion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654054)

You could stay here and try and convert everyone to Linux

Re:No more religion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654312)

They probably took out religion so Sid Meier wouldn't have to go into hiding because of Muslim death threats because you could wipe out Islam in the game.

Re:No more religion? (1)

SengirV (203400) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654496)

True. I'm sure some prior versions had a depiction of Muhammad as well. That's at least worth a couple death threats right there. And he most help the gov't will give is what the FBI just did - advise you to start running.

A veteran Civilization fan... (0, Redundant)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653744)

...and I, for one, won't play Civ V in the foreseeable future. Why? Because none of my computers reaches the minimum hardware specs required by the game. I could spend some money to get up to speed with the newest PC gadgetry (plus some money for the game itself), but as a grad student supporting a family of three, I cannot easily afford that, just to play a game. I bought all the Civilization games, from the good-old DOS-based first Civ to Civ IV, and all expansion packs. But for the first time Civilization's HW specs overstepped my current setups.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653814)

Sucks to be you.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (0, Offtopic)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653886)

Sucks to be you

I'm living the best days of my life, currently. No strategy game comes close to the wonder of holding your own baby in your arms.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (3, Funny)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654026)

So what you're saying is that you've built your own great wonder?

May your +100% happiness not expire with the discovery of toddlerhood, or worse yet, teenagery.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (2, Interesting)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654062)

I'm living the best days of my life, currently. No strategy game comes close to the wonder of holding your own baby in your arms.

When my last child was still an infant, sometimes I would sit with her in my arms... while I played Civ IV. Beat that.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654080)

pfffffff

Any schmuck can make a baby, but it costs $50 to get Civ 5. Now who's laughing poor boy?

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654442)

But it DID cost him $50 to make the baby!

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653826)

No offense, but are you surprised? People seem to forget how ludicrous Civ IV's specs were at release...

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653844)

Why not just download the demo and see if it'll work on your machine anyhow? Lots of games run just fine with specs below the manufacturer's recommendation.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (4, Insightful)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653858)

# Processor: Dual Core CPU # Memory: 2GB RAM # Hard Disk Space: 8 GB Free # DVD-ROM Drive: Required for disc-based installation # Video: 256 MB ATI HD2600 XT or better, 256 MB nVidia 7900 GS or better, or Core i3 or better integrated graphics

Seriously? That's too much for you? I'm sorry that you haven't bought (or upgraded) a computer in 4 years, but I don't see why developers should have to cater to you by making their products worse for the rest of us. A system meeting these requirements wouldn't cost more than MAYBE $200 used.

They need better hardware to make the AI smarter, not just for better graphics.

No kidding (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654032)

The only thing on there that is even remotely "heavy hitting" is requiring a discrete graphics card. However if you are a computer gamer, well then you should be well aware that games need a discrete graphics card, and they aren't expensive (A 5750 runs it great and costs $110-130 or so and is current technology).

A dual core with 2GB I consider to be the minimum sort of system you should have these days for desktop usage. It is not expensive, and well worth it. A dual core CPU really makes things much smoother and more responsive, even if you are just doing basic office productivity stuff. The ability for the processor to actually do two things at once is a big gain in terms of responsiveness. RAM is also big performance wise, and really cheap. I recommend 4GB, even for desktop usage, but 2GB minimum. Less than that and you are swapping when you don't need to.

Those are NOT onerous system requirements, particularly for a game. They aren't demanding the highest end system. Hell even their recommend requirements are tame: 1.8GHz quad, 4GB of ram and a 4800/9800 series GPU.

Personally, I'd say if you can't afford a dual core system and a mid range graphics card from a few generations ago, you probably can't afford a new $50 game either. In that case, stick with Civ 4 or Civ 3 (or 2 or 1). They haven't stopped working. You can still play them. Hell if I end up not liking Civ 5's gameplay and can't mod it to my likes, I'll go back to Civ 4 since I do like it.

I do not find it very legit to whine about not having the rather reasonable system requirements, while still saying that $50 is a fine price to spend. Save that $50 for a better computer, something that will do better for EVERYTHING you do, rather than spending it on a new game.

Re:No kidding (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654506)

In that case, stick with Civ 4 or Civ 3 (or 2 or 1). They haven't stopped working. You can still play them.

Don't forget Freeciv, if you are a newbie to the Civilization universe and just want to try it out. It seems to be pretty light on resource requirements, and it's free.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654112)

crap 200$ new

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (3, Interesting)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654222)

Actually it's the graphic card requirements that break it for me. They're above 99% of laptops, and certainly above mine which does have a separate graphic card with dedicated memory but it's an ATI 3200, way below their specs. Plays many games well, but I won't even try to get anywhere near civ5 knowing what their minimum specs are - or else it'd be wasted money. Also, my laptop is my only computer right now.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653986)

and I, for one, won't play Civ V in the foreseeable future. Why?
Because I still haven't beaten Civ III at Deity, and have not even started on Civ IV.
On a more serious note, I think the graphics on Civ IV and now V are actually detrimental to the game. It's like going to war with the wrong kind of map. As an old board- and war-gamer I prefer my maps and graphics simple. Top-down, no (fake)3D, animated, colourful shrubberies or flocks of birds please. It's nice and all, but I'm trying to annihilate the free people of Earth and I can't find my Panzerdivisionen and Stealth-bombers. Somebody execute that game designer!

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (5, Insightful)

InkDancer (101386) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654058)

You are in grad school and have three kids. When were you planning on playing video games?

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654150)

There's a reason grad school takes 5 years to finish.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

electron sponge (1758814) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654280)

...and I, for one, won't play Civ V in the foreseeable future. Why? Because none of my computers reaches the minimum hardware specs required by the game. I could spend some money to get up to speed with the newest PC gadgetry (plus some money for the game itself), but as a grad student supporting a family of three, I cannot easily afford that, just to play a game. I bought all the Civilization games, from the good-old DOS-based first Civ to Civ IV, and all expansion packs. But for the first time Civilization's HW specs overstepped my current setups.

You need to get your priorities straight, man.

Re:A veteran Civilization fan... (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654446)

Jeez if it consumes more resources than Civ IV I won't play it, and I have a pretty good setup. That was a bear.

Interesting but short article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653806)

The article tantalizes, but leaves more questions than answers. One question I'd have is why the CPU requirements keep getting jacked up. Shouldn't a turn based strategy game be a bit easier on the CPUs than that?

My other question is not about the actual story, but the slashdot blurb. What on earth is a "Hemos"???

Re:Interesting but short article (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653866)

One question I'd have is why the CPU requirements keep getting jacked up. Shouldn't a turn based strategy game be a bit easier on the CPUs than that?

There is an insane amount of behind the scenes tracking and calculations going on in a Civilization game. Frankly, I find it impressive that the game only requires a dual-core.

Re:Interesting but short article (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654476)

There is an insane amount of behind the scenes tracking and calculations going on in a Civilization game.

Oh come on. I played Alpha Centauri on a computer from 2002 and it was blazing fast. Compare a Civ game to a real-time game like StarCraft 2 for "insane" amounts of computations.

Re:Interesting but short article (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654550)

I think you think Starcraft II is more complicated than it really is. Think about it, honestly...what is there to keep track of behind the scenes, second by second? Hit points, unit locations, resources, and build queues. That's about it. Now look at a Civ game, and all of the things that simultaneously happen each time one turn ends and another begins.

You honestly think there is less to compute in a Civ game than in Starcraft II, just because Civ is turn based?

In the day of digital distribution... (1, Interesting)

Xelios (822510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653812)

What reason is there to release the game 3 days later in Europe?

Re:In the day of digital distribution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33653938)

Because like every publisher, they likely have deals with various distributors/brick and mortar shops promising that they won't release they game through other channels earlier. For whatever reason, North America releases games/music/movies on tuesdays, and Europe does it on Fridays.

Re:In the day of digital distribution... (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654022)

So we Americans can go "Neener neener!"

Retailers probably (2, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654114)

Like it or no, most games sales still happen in the retail market. Don't believe the online surveys, they suffer heavily from selection bias and are not properly conducted. Go ask a developer/publisher (Stardock has talked about this, as they do both). Retail still outsells online by a large margin. That means you have to keep retailers happy and part of that means not selling online before they can sell it retail.

As to why it is taking longer to get to retail there, that's the real question. Did they fuck up the shipping? Were the EU retailers pushing for a later date? Was there some EU reg they and to deal with?

That's the reason though. They don't want to sell it online early and anger the retailers. Retailers have limited shelf space and if you piss them off, they might not give it to you.

Re:Retailers probably (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654408)

it's simply the EU bricks and morter like large weekend sales and quiet week days so they only have to pay cheap students not adults

Re:In the day of digital distribution... (1)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654440)

To keep the Germans from taking over France. Duh. :)

Re:In the day of digital distribution... (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654468)

Play.com appears to be shipping it but it'll probably still take 3 days to arrive.

Haven't played it yet... (2, Interesting)

Rhys (96510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33653890)

But I did do the steam unlock on my laptop and copied over the music directory to play while I'm at work today. The 15 hours and 58 minutes of oggs (and, I think, one wav) I copied over have -- at least so far -- been top notch. Not that I've listened to anything near the 15 hours of them, only about 2-3, but still.

Nice background music too; mostly instrumental, not too quiet nor too loud.

Re:Haven't played it yet... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654064)

REALLY happy to hear that. I've been looking forward to trying to pair different albums with the game [livingwithanerd.com] , but I'm still really glad to hear that the included soundtrack is good.

How "worldly" is it? As in, does the music cover different genres from different parts of the world, or is it all similar?

Re:Haven't played it yet... (1)

Rhys (96510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654430)

The musical styles are substantially different and at least from what I can tell, culturally(/period?) appropriate. In particular there is one really neat Japanese-style (at least I assume from the track name) drum piece that is pretty long and very nicely done. Similarly, a couple of the Chinese pieces are accurate of what I've heard from student/foreign parent "culture shows/celebrations" from the university's laboratory high school.

But I'm not exactly an expert in world music. I don't think it will disappoint, however, from what I've heard so far.

Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654046)

I love Civ IV on the Mac, but I'm not going to bother Bootcamping or VMing into Windows just for this. I'll wait until the Mac version comes out. I'm also not going to screw with creating a "Steam" account just to play a game.

How in the hell can that possibly be praise? (3, Insightful)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654098)

"It feels almost as if someone described the concept of the renowned 19-year-old turn-based strategy series to a talented designer who'd never played it, and let him come up with his own version."

I don't want three blind men describing an elephant incorrectly. I want Civ.

Re:How in the hell can that possibly be praise? (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654436)

I don't want three blind men describing an elephant incorrectly. I want Civ.

So... why not play it? It's not like giant Civilization V robots have stomped all over the world and destroyed every copy of the original game with their overpowered death-lasers. If you still want to play the old Civilization, just load it up and play.

Color Blindness Support? (3, Interesting)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654118)

Can someone comment on the support for red/green color blindness? I often had problems being able to read certain map features and recognizing some units in Civ III and Civ IV because of it.

Warfare "Enhancements" vs City Simplification (1)

religious freak (1005821) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654120)

So from TFA, it sounds as though they've simplified the city side of things while making the warfare more complex with a need to micro-manage the positioning of units and strategize about precise unit positioning needed to take a city over.

Maybe it's just me, but I HATE micromanaging battles, or micro-managing anything for that matter. I'm the Emperor / President / King so I like deciding the blend of units to produce, general city enhancements to pursue, when and where to build new cities, diplomacy, etc. Managing the tactical battle plans sound like a pain in the ass.

I don't play the amount of strategy games I used to but Alpha-Centauri is still far and away the best game I've ever played that allowed this "macro" level control over things.

Re:Warfare "Enhancements" vs City Simplification (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654486)

I suggest that you try Hearts of Iron III

Pinky? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654170)

we're going to take over the world, Pinky.

Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654254)

It will never be a true nerd game until there is a Linux version!

Goddammit stop being so happy you guys (4, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654342)

We still don't have Alpha Centauri 2
That's all I ever want.
Nothing else.
Just that.
:(

PCGamer review: braindead AI (3, Insightful)

doug141 (863552) | more than 3 years ago | (#33654360)

For single player, wait for an expansion to fix the AI. The review in PCGamer said the AI does really stupid things with its combat units, like send them headlong into battle without regard to unit type, so its ranged units go right up to your melee units, and its melee units get trapped behind its own ranged units. The game balance is preserved simply by giving computer players more units. Given that this is the most tactical Civ yet (due to elimination of unit stacking), it's clear from the review it suffers even more from AI limitations than Civ IV did (before the Civ IV expansions).

Runs under linux (wine) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33654544)

And yes, it does run under linux :)

(Using Wine or Crossover Games (Wine))

Starcraft 2 and Civ V running under linux .. good times. (Too bad its not native, but we take what we get)

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