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Today's Children Are Officially Potty Mouths

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the kids-say-the-#@^*est-things dept.

Education 449

tetrahedrassface writes "When the Sociolinguistics Symposium met earlier this month swearing scholar Timothy Jay revealed that an increase in child swearing is directly related to an increase in adult swearing. It seems that vulgarity is increasing as pop culture continues to popularize vulgarities. The blame lies with media, public figures, politicians, but mostly ourselves. From the article: 'Children as young as two are now dropping f-bombs, with researchers reporting that more kids are using profanity — and at earlier ages — than has been recorded in at least three decades.'"

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Oblig. (4, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662112)

So fucking what? /sarcasm

Re:Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662178)

Um-um-um-um-um!

Re:Oblig. (0, Flamebait)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662206)

Well you just confirmed that kids are dropping f-bombs. Oh wait, your slashdot id is 5 digits, you must be a teenager.

Re:Oblig. (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662490)

Just the opposite. 5 digits would indicate he's been here a long time and probably in his 30s (minimum)

DEFINE VULGARITY

Why is it vulgar to say "shit" but not "poo"? Or "fuck" but not "intercourse" or "sex"? Or "ass" but not "buttocks"? Or "I'm eating cow, pig, or deer" but not "I'm eating beef, pork, or venison"?

The answer, per usual, is the fault of the French. They were the ones who declared ~900 years ago that English words are vulgar and should be avoided, in favor of French substitutes.

Time to tell the French to sex off and shove their poo up their anuses. Let's go back to using the original English words.

Re:Oblig. (0, Redundant)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662584)

*whoosh*

Re:Oblig. (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662858)

I think poo going the wrong way up an anus would make a different sound.

Re:Oblig. (1)

blai (1380673) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662284)

No idea. My sugartit is always fucking with my kids behind my back when I'm at lameass work doing retarded shit like going on slashdot and modding trolls. She must be the balls in this case.

Re:Oblig. (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662304)

Why the sarcasm?

I find "So fucking what?" to be a perfectly reasonable answer.

What is the problem with kids anyone swearing? Is that person hurting anyone else in any way?

The closest to an explanation I've heard is "I don't want my kids to hear that language". Which is as stupid an argument as can be. Your kids, your fucking problem.

Re:Oblig. (1, Troll)

The Clockwork Troll (655321) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662968)

I appreciate when strangers act with social disregard and disrespect as it gives me an easy opportunity to point out to my kids what not to do if you want to function in society.

Thanks for providing the example. It saves me from embarrassing myself.

Re:Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662354)

Why the sarcasm tag?
What's the fucking problem here?
There is no inherently superior language and profanity is only considered bad because some backward conservatives say it is. You know, those guys that also say gay marriage and unmarried sex is bad.
Fuck them!

Re:Oblig. (2, Interesting)

BStroms (1875462) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662942)

You have to remember that curse words are only attractive because there are people who find them offensive. If nobody blinked an eye no matter what word you used or where it was used, curse words would lose their cathartic value.

Re:Oblig. (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662698)

oh noes! people are speaking freely! what a catastrophe!

sheesh.

It's only in the US that people care about this. Irony of freedom of speech, huh.

Re:Oblig. (1)

Codename Dutchess (1782238) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662908)

It might be sarcasm, but I fully agree. Everything changes, including morals. Words are just words, the old people will die off and nobody will care what 4 letter words you choose to use.

Re:Oblig. (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662970)

Oh Belgium, not this again.

They're words. As many bright people (including Frank Zappa and George Carlin) have pointed out, getting worked up over the words is silly. Getting worked up over the meanings, hatreds, etc behind the words is appropriate, but the words themselves are harmless.

A big myth related to children in general is that they're innocent creatures ignorant of all things biological. They aren't, and they never really have been.

well fuck (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662114)

what is this shit? i don't even....

Re:well fuck (1)

Dumnezeu (1673634) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663080)

I say we just declare that all existing swear-words are NO LONGER swears. And we just invent new ones.

At a certain point it's commonplace enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662120)

That it's not profanity anymore. Is damn considered profanity any longer. At one point that was as harsh as Fuck is today.

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662176)

According to my mom from the south, yes, Damn is a swear word. According to anyone I grew up with in new york city 30 years ago, no.

According to my mom crap, "that sucks", "That blows" are all swear words too.

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662224)

Yeah, I remember when saying "Raspberries" was a swear war because my parents "knew" i was just substituting one bad word for another... the thought of having something to replace one dirty word was just as dirty...

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662440)

"According to my mom from the south, yes, Damn is a swear word"

And I thought it was a technical term in theology.

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

lxs (131946) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662816)

Well roger me with a wire brush and call me Brenda!

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662842)

Sucks and blows were originally euphemisms for oral sex, specifically homosexual acts. Saying "he sucks" was pretty insulting back in the day.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=suck [etymonline.com]

Re:At a certain point it's commonplace enough (1)

cc1984_ (1096355) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662398)

That it's not profanity anymore. Is damn considered profanity any longer. At one point that was as harsh as Fuck is today.

Bullshit

But (3, Insightful)

nizo (81281) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662124)

If curse words become a part of normally accepted speech, what the hell will we use for curse words then???

Re:But (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662302)

Rape, murder, genocide, etc.

Re:But (4, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662392)

iPod, iPhone, iPad etc

Re:But (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662446)

Oh don't worry, we humans have infinite capacity to come up with new insults, so we'll just ratchet up. so instead of calling someone an asshole you'll call them a cum guzzling fucktwit, that's all.

Re:But (1)

Tigersmind (1549183) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662510)

Oh don't worry, we humans have infinite capacity to come up with new insults, so we'll just ratchet up. so instead of calling someone an asshole you'll call them a cum guzzling fucktwit, that's all.

Mod this fuckhead up.

Re:But (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662544)

Why do we need curse words?

Surely there are languages in the world that don't have such a ridiculous idea as "forbidden words". How do they get on?

Re:But (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663044)

Surely there are languages in the world that don't have such a ridiculous idea as "forbidden words".

I highly doubt that, unless you're talking about an unknown cetacean or cephalopod language. Humans are good at putting up meaningless restrictions because we know our young like to push barriers. We would rather have them say "naughty" things and feel like they've pushed a real boundary than have them do something that society abhors (crime) because it is the only barrier to push.

Re:But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662774)

BELGIUM!

I have a feeling that it may become the rudest word in the galaxy.

Duh (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662126)

No shit Sherlock !

Not really a big deal (2, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662128)

When those children are adults, it will no longer be considered profane. Problem solved.

Re:Not really a big deal (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662634)

just like when kids i the 60's would make marijuana legal when they got into politics.

Please.

disgraceful (5, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662132)

as my toddler would say, that's fucked up!

Re:disgraceful (1)

drunkenoafoffofb3ta (1262668) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662778)

My nephew (aged 3) was singing "America: Fuck Yeah" -- turns out he can operate DVD players with the Team America: World Police DVD in the drive. Mind you, I was trying to teach him the word "bollocks" from the age of 18 months... heh.

Adults too. (5, Insightful)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662144)

Monkey see, Monkey do. I have noticed an increase in the amount of swearing that adults do too. I'm guessing also that parents aren't beating their children (spanking) or rinsing their mouth out (with liquid dish soap) as much either.

Re:Adults too. (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662378)

I'm guessing also that parents aren't beating their children (spanking) or rinsing their mouth out (with liquid dish soap) as much either.

Oh yes, the fantastic lesson of "If someone does something you don't want him to, harm him".

It works wonders.

Re:Adults too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662716)

Um, yes, it does. Rule of law is maintained by punishment of individuals by society through authorities.

The problem is that many parents are inconsistent and arbitrary (that is, tyrannical) in its application.

Re:Adults too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33663058)

It does, actually. Works a lot quicker than reasoning with them.

Re:Adults too. (4, Insightful)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662442)

One thing I've noticed is that adults are less likely to call other adults out on profanity around children. I remember as a kid going to baseball games it was pretty unusual for someone to swear and not be called out on it. The swearing happened, as a kid I was aware of it, but I also saw the adults around me taking the time to ask the person to mind their language.

Maybe I'm just old and cranky, but that kind of thing doesn't happen as much anymore. Adults are either a lot more tolerant or much more timid in engaging the lewd individual and asking them to stop. I miss that.

Re:Adults too. (4, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662606)

I think the distinction between "private" and "public" language has decreased. It used to be that vulgar words weren't used in common discourse with strangers, or in public forums, or in mixed company. These words were reserved for use with your buddies, a "men's language" if you will, and were used only rarely, or for strong effect, by women.

A lot of these distinctions have decreased with the spread of mass-market media that depicts these words used commonly. I think this was initially a way to make movies and television shows feel more authentic and real, closer to the common language of people, with the result being that the spoken language of the US as a whole has become more common.

I think as the words have become more common and less laden with shock value, adults concern about their children hearing or using them has diminished. So I suspect adults are just less shocked to hear others use these words in public and realize the futility of trying to prevent their children from hearing them when they are likely to hear them in movies or on television anyway.

Re:Adults too. (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662880)

Great! Maybe we'll all be forced to learn how to communicate instead of being shocked senseless by a word someone says.

Re:Adults too. (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662622)

do too. I'm guessing also that parents aren't beating their children (spanking) or rinsing their mouth out (with liquid dish soap) as much either.

Yeah, old fashioned family values - the cure for society's ills - NOT.

The child grows up thinking that physical violence is normal. They'll grow up thinking the showing anger and rage is normal. Then they'll be in school and in the workforce and they'll wonder why they can't get along with others or worse, they'll end up in jail [childhelp.org] . They'll have employment problems all their life and hiring mangers will never give them feedback so they'll be going through life wondering what the fuck is wrong with everyone.

The kid will grow up with anxiety and depression - and we wonder why anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs are blockbuster drugs. And hopefully, the depression will get them to seek help before they do something like climb up into a bell tower and start shooting innocent people. Of course with the stigma on mental health, the person will have to pay cash to keep the shit out of the MIB [mib.com] - or at least the best they can - because employers look at it and if you have a mental health history, you become unemployable.

More than likely, the child will grow up feeling unease and purposeless while trying to fill the void with consumption (racking up the credit cards), prescription drugs and alcohol.

You sir have spelled out the source of many of our society's ills.

Re:Adults too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662988)

Probably less stoning to death as well... we need to get back to traditional values.

Slow news day (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662150)

My grandparents said the same thing about my parents.

Re:Slow news day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662438)

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"

-- Plato

Re:Slow news day (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662592)

"Cut your hair and get a real job! The blacksmith down the street needs an apprentice!" -- Plato's dad

Re:Slow news day (1)

lxs (131946) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663012)

Sure it was written by Plato, but he was quoting his teacher Socrates. (Who was in turn sentenced to death for corrupting the morals of the young -- go figure!)

Isn't kind of obvious? (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662152)

The more people do things, the more they think is normal, the more culturally accepted that is.

Re:Isn't kind of obvious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662534)

Yeah... culture is evolution, we learn from each other who we are :-D

Re:Isn't kind of obvious? (1)

qwijibo (101731) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663078)

Everyone can see the world going to hell around them, so it would simply be misleading for kids to say "we will be burdened by the out of control debts of our predecessors" when everyone knows it's more accurate and succinct to simply say "we're fucked."

Anecdote (5, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662186)

My nephew just turned 4 a little while back. Sadly, he has a speech impediment that has made him difficult, if not impossible, to understand until very recently. Over over the past 6 months or so his speech has improved considerable and we finally know... that the kid swears like a sailor, he's probably been swearing for years and no one ever knew it. Seriously, we're all in the kitchen and we hear "Holy shit!" come out of the living room, go in to see what's going on and he's watching Sesame Street. Obviously we tried and failed to not laugh, so I can't imagine we helped the situation any.

Re:Anecdote (2, Funny)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662750)

Well, that's the values that Sesame Street is pushing onto the kids these days. Be happy you didn't walk onto him while he was having a joint with a couple of bitches.

I wonder how his 'holly shit' sounded before that time: hoooueee siiiid

Re:Anecdote (1)

hrvatska (790627) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663022)

When my son was in kindergarten we were visiting my parents. Everyone was sitting around a table talking and laughing, and all of a sudden my 5 year old son says "kiss my pussy", and laughs. Everyone got quiet and looked at him. I calmly asked him why he said that, and he said the girls on the school bus said it to each other all the time and then laughed. While I explained to him that the phrase was not one he should use, and not just because it didn't apply to his anatomy, I couldn't help thinking that it was unfortunate that a harmless euphemism for a part of the body should be considered vulgar.

Don't blame the media.. (4, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662204)

... blame the parents. The media just reflects what is acceptable to society.

I've always wondered though why Americans get so upset about bad language and sex, but violence on TV is ok for children to watch.

Re:Don't blame the media.. (1)

r7 (409657) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662558)

The media just reflects what is acceptable to society

No it doesn't. The media reflects what sells. Any correlation with social values is purely coincidental.

One thing you have to keep in mind, when reading the OP, is that this is the perspective of someone who watches a lot of TV, and hangs out with other people who watch a lot of TV.

Re:Don't blame the media.. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662672)

What planet are you from? The media reports edge cases over and over again until it becomes so often it becomes 'normally'.
Stop using the sex/violence false dichotomy. There separate things and the deserve different conversations.

Re:Don't blame the media.. (1)

zero_out (1705074) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662678)

This is rather insightful. I wonder the same thing. Profanity and sexuality are considered inappropriate for children to observe, yet we consider violence to be acceptable? None of them are acceptable!

I was in HS when South Park first began. There was this one occasion where I was fixing the computer of a family, and their 8 and 9 year old children were watching the show. Sure, I enjoyed the show, and watched it on a regular basis. At that time, I was a very different person than I am now. Spewing out profanity was second nature to me (but next month will be 10 years since I uttered a profane word). Yet even I was shocked and stunned at the lack of parenting. The parents knew very well what their kids were watching, because the kids were watching it right there in the living room while the parents were about, doing what parents do.

My nephew who is only 4 years old, lists South Park and Family Guy among his favorite shows, right along with Sponge Bob and Dora. Unfortunately, my sister is quite possibly the most selfish and arrogant person to walk this planet, so I don't dare to criticize what she allows my nephew to watch, lest I end up with a black eye and slashed tires. All I can do is try to be a positive influence on my nephew, and provide an example of what a normal and stable life is.

Re:Don't blame the media.. (2, Insightful)

wondafucka (621502) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662722)

Why blame anyone at all? What is wrong with a child swearing, other than that some adults prefer to believe a lie about children and innocence.

The world is a dynamic place full of unfathomable joy, and unrelenting shittiness. We should have a full vocabulary and worldview to express and conceptualize this.

Re:Don't blame the media.. (1)

rufty_tufty (888596) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662868)

You know I always wondered why many parents were happy to watch TV/Films about murder rape torture etc. Things we really hate and would never allow our children to do.
Yet forbid them from watching shows about/including sex. The one activity we all take great pride in doing (Slashdot meme's notwithstanding).

The only explanation I have for this is while all parents seem to want to become grandparents some day, they don't want to become grandparents too soon.
Or it could be linked to the negative connotation of slut, but that doesn't fully explain it with the positive connotation of stud...

Clarence Darrow (1)

Jhon (241832) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662258)

I don't swear for the hell of it. Language is a poor enough means of communication. We've got to use all the words we've got. Besides, there are damn few words anybody understands -- Spencer Tracy (Inherit the Wind).

That said, we never curse in our house. Neither have our children (age 10 and 8) other than to ask about a word they've heard.

f-"bomb"? c-"bomb" (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662262)

  • The natural act of copulation.
  • A body part possessed by around half the inhabitants of the planet.
  • A device constructed with the sole purpose of committing the mass murder and maiming of as many people as possible.

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.

Re:f-"bomb"? c-"bomb" (1)

archmcd (1789532) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662448)

Bullshit.

Re:f-"bomb"? c-"bomb" (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663010)

You hit the nail on it's head. What is offensive to some is only natural to others, and the other way around.
Objectively I'm inclined to agree that 'bomb' registers higher on a natural 'offensive-scale'. But I firmly believe no word can truly be 'offensive', it's only the intent...

I personally only take offense at people taking offense...

Swearing is relative (4, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662288)

Swearing is relative to a perceived base.

On the old people stodgy baseline it is all swearing, even "boobies".
On the young people base line "fuck" is emphasis mark.

Language changes. Swear words are something that change quite quickly.

Re:Swearing is relative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662720)

Boobs!
Hiney!
Mittens!

Re:Swearing is relative (1)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662780)

Exactly.

While the vernacular changes, the words also take on additional meaning. 20-30 years ago, "shit" was more of an exclamation than anything else. Now, it's a stand-in for nearly any noun in the language. Terms like "I don't give a shit," "I have to get my shit together," and "...and shit" weren't really as common then. Now that the term has become common, it's passed from vulgarity into common acceptance.

The "new" cuss words showing up can also be related to the important issues in today's society. "Cunt," while being incredibly old, is referred to as the "C-word," and my perception is that "nigger" carries far more negative impact and weight than "fuck" ever did.

Swearing is appropriate in extreme circumstances (1)

BubbaDave (1352535) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662318)

All that has happened is that our circumstances are now always at that extreme.

Dave

Oh, why can't the children... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662340)

...please, please, think of the children!

Untrue (1)

Psicopatico (1005433) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662368)

These are fucking lies, godamnit!!!

What's the issue? (1)

IllusionalForce (1830532) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662408)

I personally cannot see the problem if people or children swear. People seem to be shocked or surprised (or pretty much anything going in that direction) when they hear a child swearing. But what's the problem? They're words. I've failed to understand the issue for years now. They're just some words that seem to have a bad karma for pretty much no reason.

Could someone kindly tell me what the big idea is? Thanks.

Maybe it's not the kids? (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662418)

Maybe it's their damn parents imparting an unrealistic sense of self importance in them.
Kids today think they can do what ever they dang well please since by and large their folks allow them to. I think this translates directly into these little monsters lack of proper social etiquette and respect for anyone around them.
It would be interesting to further break this down into geographic subsets. Since I have lived in Germany, I have noticed that most folks put the hammer down on their little ones.
I have never had a teen or kid call me anything other than Mr.
It all comes down to bad parenting. They should have called the article, "Most parents destroy their kids".

Re:Maybe it's not the kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662614)

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Re:Maybe it's not the kids? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662768)

Stop using what you see in the media as the example of how kids behave. The are polite and speak properly.

Yeah, because only kids who are little followers and cow toe do you and give you imagned respect as raised by good parents.

You don't wont kids, you want sheep.

Pretty sad. (1, Insightful)

AntEater (16627) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662426)

I find this to be a bit depressing. Generally, I view swearing as a demonstration of a lack of emotional self control or evidence of a limited vocabulary to effectively express thoughts or feelings. From the larger perspective, it reflects a general lack of civility in our society. Little kids don't choose their language, they only reflect the language of those around them. Pretty sad when the supposed parents of a small child end up teaching this at such a young age.

Re:Pretty sad. (4, Interesting)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662484)

Actually, there's a study that shows when people swear after getting hurt that it has a therapeutic effect. As in, hitting your thumb with a hammer accidentally and yelling Goddamit When you hold it in, it makes it worse. So I make a point to swear when I hurt myself, and I do feel better immediately.

Re:Pretty sad. (1)

AntEater (16627) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662902)

Perhaps, but there's nothing in the phonetic structure of the swear words that helps your thumb feel better. It's just an emotional release. Next time try yelling out the name "Elmo" instead.

Re:Pretty sad. (3, Insightful)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662550)

What? How?

What difference exactly does it make if someone exclaims Fuck! instead of Custard!

How is the latter displaying a more advanced vocabulary? And why should anyone care?

Re:Pretty sad. (1)

AntEater (16627) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663068)

What difference exactly does it make if someone exclaims Fuck! instead of Custard!

How is the latter displaying a more advanced vocabulary? And why should anyone care?

Exclaiming either one is pretty stupid, in my opinion. The only reason anyone cares, is that swearing has generally been regarded as being offensive. It's not the collection of letters or sounds that they represent but the meaning behind those words. What purpose is there in communicating the word for intercourse/fornication/sex/whatever as an exclamation - especially using terminology that a large portion of our culture considers it to be offensive? Is the purpose to offend? What is the point?

Re:Pretty sad. (4, Insightful)

ifrag (984323) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662610)

effectively express thoughts or feelings

I find that swearing is often very effective at expressing my thoughts and feelings.

Re:Pretty sad. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662846)

It's only a sign of a lack of emotional self control if they are raised in a culture where it's wrong. Other wise it just weak communications skills.

If every one does it, then it's not a lack of civility.

Re:Pretty sad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662894)

I view swearing quite differently:
Genuinely being offended by "swear" words shows a lack of understanding about how stupid many of societies conventions are.

Think about it. Why is "excrement" or "poop" acceptable to describe the end result of egestion but somehow "crap" or "shit" is bad. taking offense means is you have been taught to have a knee jerk reaction to something.

Apparently a larger portion of current parents don't hold with the pointless obsession of not using those words. The end result being that a larger portion of society won't care about it either. If that trend continues then the words will become a standard part of the language and thus "lose" their "offensiveness". Problem solved.

Is this really a problem? (5, Interesting)

iONiUM (530420) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662456)

I don't know how others feel, but I've never felt some sort of stigma against using swear words. The only time I refrain is when it's socially unacceptable (i.e. at a funeral) because then other people would potentially become upset towards me. At my funeral though? I'm going to encourage it. From the grave.

Re:Is this really a problem? (1)

Chatsubo (807023) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662814)

Agreed, I assign very little malice to a swear word. It's just a word, that a lot of people have decided is unacceptable, for some reason I fail to understand.

For example: We can say sex as many times as we want on TV. But not fuck. Why not? What made the one vulgar but the other not? It seems horribly arbitrary to me...

And why are people sad that the young generation no longer assign shock-and-horror to that word? Isn't that a good thing? We're LOSING a swear word!

The only effect this will have is, that the word "fuck" will no longer be of any use to someone who wants to use a swear word, and it'll drop out of common usage....

It's like the word "Bloody". For generations past, it was a HARSH curse word not to be uttered in ANY company. Now, nobody gives a fuck about it. :D

...like a sailor (2, Funny)

elcheesmo (646907) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662462)

It's time to change the expression from curse like a sailor to curse like a 2-year old.

Who the fuck cares? (4, Insightful)

dirk (87083) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662524)

I have never understood the stigma about swearing. They are words, just like any other. What really is the difference between saying "I took a dump" and "I took a shit"? They mean exactly the same thing, but for some reason shit is a dirty word.

It is all about how you use words, not the words you use. You can be just as vulgar and mean without using "swear" words. Is it really less offensive for me to say "The best part of you squirted out of your father's substandard size penis and rolled down that chunk of lard your mother called a thigh" than for me to say "Holy fuck that is cool"?

Words are just words, it's the meaning behind them that matters.

It's nothing but censorship (1)

mrjb (547783) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662850)

Telling people not to swear is basically censorship. Guess what- censorship doesn't work [youtube.com] , as aptly demonstrated by this video.

ASCII Filth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662578)

I think they learn it from Q*Bert.

Need more powerful words (4, Funny)

toxonix (1793960) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662656)

These goddamn kids are diluting the strength of words. I'm going to have to get creative now. The trick I think is to combine things that multiply the strength of the words. Here are some examples of profane combinations, and please don't let the kids get wind of them:
"Jesus Fuck!"
"Christ's Tits!"
"Mother of God's Firm Ass!"
"Jesus Raped!"
I could go on..

Children *how* young? (1)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662670)

You say children as young as two years are saying "fuck"?

Did anybody else think of this [youtube.com] ?

Cultural effects? (1)

Antarius (542615) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662748)

There's possibly cultural effects too. With international travel so popular, more relaxed cultures are 'tainting' the nanny-states.

I'm from a country town in South Australia where certain sentences were just standard. Because of this, my American stepson learned his first sentence from me: "Shit, that's hot!"

I had opened the door of the car that had been shut up in the cool Arizonan Summer Sun and been pelted with a hot gust that was in excess of 130F from inside the car. (I know it was in excess of 130F because I'd left a souvenir thermometer in there and it had burst)

Meanwhile, my wife-at-the-time was 20-odd metres away when I made that quiet statement of fact. For the next 20 minutes, he happily exclaimed to everyone that "Shit that's hot!"

That was ove 13 years ago and I still haven't lived it down!

Kick Ass (1)

martin_b1sh0p (673005) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662886)

That's funny because I just watched Kick Ass last night and the little girl in that movie is definitely a potty mouth!!! Actually had me interested in watching the behind the scenes to see if they addressed the fact that they had her say such things.

Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33662922)

Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits.

Smeg! (1)

querist (97166) | more than 4 years ago | (#33662948)

These words will always exist. People will just come up with new ones. It's been done on TV enough. (Someone should compile a list of TV swear-words.)

Obviously ... (1)

Carebears (1867786) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663000)

Its because of that damn MTV and Hip-Hop!

language benefits from shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33663014)

the benefit of having curse words, or "forbidden" words as someone else posted, is the power they hold. if everyone feels free to drop f bombs and such at will, then the word loses its power to express the intensity of emotion behind a good f bomb from someone normally reserved in speech. nizo hit the nail on the head.... "what the hell will we use for curse words?"

We now idolize the prison and degenerate cultures (5, Insightful)

acidradio (659704) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663032)

This isn't much of a surprise to me anymore. In previous generations we idolized decent, intelligent, articulate and educated people. Somewhere it was decided that nobody can or should have to aspire to be any of those things and we should just aim for mediocrity because EVERYONE can be mediocre!

At least in the US I am seeing this perpetual dumbing-down of the culture (some will argue here that the US culture was pretty dumb to begin with hehehe). Instead of "dressing for success" kids now wear these pants that sag down to their knees. This is a holdover from the prison culture where clothes are baggy and ill-fitting. Reality TV idolizes people who are often foul, vulgar, have no education and oh yeah, don't have any kind of gainful employment. What do we learn from shows like The Hills or Jersey Shore? Instead of keeping rigid and tough education requirements, public schools in the US have been dumbed-down so that "everyone gets a chance." Well I have some news - in the real world, nobody gets a chance, you have to work your ass off to get anywhere.

The more it is used (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | more than 4 years ago | (#33663034)

The less profane it will become, as it will be more accepted. At some point saying "fuck" in any way will cease to become a profanity.
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