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Give up (3, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698362)

Adopt the kindle attitude to hacking.

Re:Give up (2, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698896)

Adopt the kindle attitude to hacking.

Kindle the hackers? While it might be an effective measure (however the church had to learn in the middle ages that it only works for some time; but then, I guess a few centuries would be enough for Sony), I don't think it's very legal. Also I think it would not give great publicity.

Konami Code (4, Funny)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698364)

Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A

Re:Konami Code (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698394)

B A

Hmm doesn't seem to work here

Re:Konami Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698498)

B A?

"I pity the fool who hack's my PS3"

Re:Konami Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699168)

B A?

"I pity the fool who hack's my PS3"

I pity the fool who spell's all his word's with apostrophe's. English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Re:Konami Code (1)

Eudeyrn (1566735) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699184)

B A?

"I pity the fool who hack's my PS3"

I pity the fool who spell's all his word's with apostrophe's. English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Instead of spiraling into a grammar rage, as I normally would, I'm just pretending it was a clever possessive apostrophe joke about being "owned". See: "Alot" on Hyperbole and a Half

More than likely (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698372)

This will be another firmware update and poof! All your base are belong to us!

Much thanks (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698380)

Many thanks to all the people who use their time, so that I can use my own hardware the way I want to!

How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698392)

How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?

Lawyers.

Or politicians. Same thing, really.

Re:How? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698932)

How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?

Lawyers.

Or politicians. Same thing, really.

No, not really the same thing. Politicians make new laws. Lawyers try to get existing laws do things they were originally not intended to do.

Re:How? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699022)

And?

I'm pretty sure that as far as pre-politics occupations go, you'll find "Lawyer" rather disproportionately represented at the federal level.

Re:How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699062)

Well, that's why most politicians are lawyers.

No, he is correct (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699200)

Most professional politicians at the federal level in the US are lawyers. As such, it is in the best interest of themselves and their guild to make "the law" as convoluted, arcane and incomprehensible as possible, in order to insure present and future lucrative job security.

Ever wonder why we have no obvious simple real patent reform? It would cost the lawyers guild too much money. Tax code simplification? Cost the lawyer guild too much money. Rein in corporations and make individuals responsible for all actions? Lawyers guild loses out big time. "IP" issues? and etc.

Look at most issues, and especially with finance, but it goes across the spectrum, and you'll find the common sense easy solution is always avoided, because *it would cost the lawyer guild too much (lost) money*.

Now look again who "makes the laws", then "interprets" the laws? Professional lawyers. A clear conflict of interest this is ignored on purpose. It is always to their benefit to make things way way WAY more complicated than they need to be.

motion control (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698406)

Maybe this is why they are pushing motion control so hard. You aren't going to hack anything without the ability to waggle at precise angles for 2 weeks!

Most obvious answer... (4, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698428)

How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?"

Firmware updates.

3.50 still doesn't jailbreak. You can't go online with a 3.41 firmware either.

Re:Most obvious answer... (4, Informative)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698528)

Not completely true. I can still netflix on 3.41.

Re:Most obvious answer... (2, Insightful)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698622)

You can't play games online. Netflix doesn't use DNAS, it just connects directly to Netflix's servers. I'd be willing to bet it's just a normal BluRay.

Good! (3, Interesting)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698436)

Sony deserves this for breaking my ps3predator, What are they gunna do now disable the controller that came with my console?

Re:Good! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698480)

Ban the sixaxis as it's outdated now. You need to get a Move to play everything from now on.

Why not boycott PS3s (4, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698448)

I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices. You're only encouraging the business model. Efforts to subvert the security measures brings risk of criminal liability. Perhaps the "inferior" alternatives would stop being so inferior and you'd get what you really want, but on your terms not theirs.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (5, Interesting)

DarkofPeace (1672314) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698466)

That's a great idea for those who don't have a PS3 yet. For the rest of us, Its a fight to use what we've already paid for. (and not purchasing future product from a locked down device)

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699156)

That's a great idea for those who don't have a PS3 yet. For the rest of us, Its a fight to use what we've already paid for. (and not purchasing future product from a locked down device)

I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices. You're only encouraging the business model.

That's a great idea for those who don't have a PS3 yet. For the rest of us, Its a fight to use what we've already paid for. (and not purchasing future product from a locked down device)

That's disingenuous and you know it.

It was clear from the start that the PS3 was meant to be a locked down device and that Sony would resist any attempts to open it up. The only justifiable area in which people can reasonably complain that they were burned was the withdrawl of its Linux support (which was never sold as giving full access to the hardware's capabilities).

But this doesn't justify your implication of bait-and-switch over the general nature of the machine. The PS3 was locked down from the day it came it, and everyone knew it.

This smacks of people wanting to have their cake and eat it, i.e. wanting to complain on Slashdot about Sony's obnoxiously controlling and authoritarian hold on the hardware, then buying it anyway because when it comes down to it, shiny new tech trumps principles. (Same old Slashdotters' story). *Then* complaining that their machine- which they already own(!)- is locked down. Well, yeah. You knew that before you bought it.

(Disclaimer to tl;dr skimmers, this is not an endorsement of Sony's locking down the hardware, but a rebuttal to the implication that anyone who cared about the issue could ever have bought a PS3 imagining it would ever *not* be locked down).

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (5, Insightful)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698474)

When I bought the PS3, it had OtherOS and was not as locked down. They changed all that after purchase, which is ridiculous and I haven't bought any more PS3 games.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698690)

So why don't you file in small claims to get your money back? Chances are they'll simply give you, your money just to be done with you.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699418)

Changes are they won't show up and there is little you can do except get the judgement.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

faragon (789704) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699206)

Same here: total boycott to anything related to Sony until they remove the Other OS option and recognice they were wrong when fucking paying customers (!) (DRM rootkit anyone?). My boycott includes Games, DVD, BluRay, non watching Columbia pictures movies on cinema, bitching about Sony Corporation stocks, etc.

I also discourage family and friends for doing the same. Screwed once, my fault, twice is being idiot.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699442)

The PS3 "otherOS" issue doesn't affect me. I quit buying Sony products temporarily when they did the root kit. Funny thing is, every year or two they give me a new reason to not buy their products, so the temporary is looking pretty permanent.

You know, I really don't miss anything. I still play all the games I can stand (Steam and other PC), and there are plenty of other companies making TVs, stereo gear and such. Nope, can't say I miss out on anything worthwhile.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699396)

When I bought the PS3, it had OtherOS and was not as locked down. They changed all that after purchase, which is ridiculous and I haven't bought any more PS3 games.

The PS2 "Slim" [amazon.com] [2004] also ditched expansion options and the OtherOS. Something that seems to have been forgotten in the geek's nerd rage.

It retails for $100 and weighs 1.3 lbs.

The video game console is a social experience.

It is shared with your family and connects to the 60" Panasonic.

The geek has no leverage.

No firmware upgrades means no new Blu-Ray videos.

Try selling that idea to your wife and your kids when they spot the next Pixar flick on the shelves at WalMart.

No Red Dead Redemption. No MOVE. No 3D. No download content. No video on demand. No PlaystationHome. Social networking and gaming for 14 million.
       

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698486)

As opposed to the locked down Xbox, or the locked down Wii?

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698660)

I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices.

So I take it you never played BF 1943?

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698806)

We played Battlefield 1942.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699052)

I played both... preferred '42 by a wide margin (especially with the Desert Combat mod).

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698856)

Do you play many current console games? Console-exclusive titles are sometimes really, really, really, really good and we can't exactly play God of War 3 on a Xbox360 slim.

No, we don't "need" to play the video game in question, but we want to. Soooo.... necessary evil. Of course, that gives rise and reason to the people that want to do "naughty" (and oft questioned, necessary) things that they shouldn't do.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (5, Insightful)

theaceoffire (1053556) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698968)

"I don't understand why... keep buying ... consoles and other such devices".

Allow me to help.

1) PS3 allows any hard drive, any video camera, any keyboard, any tablet, any printer, etc. It allows you to download random files from the internet, it allows you to play random files and store them on the hard drive, and it allows you to download PSN games onto up to 5 other consoles and let your friends play your games on their profiles. Compared to EVERY OTHER CONSOLE, the PS3 is the most free.
2) Most new games come out for consoles now, due to the fears of piracy on Computers and other non-locked-down devices. And for games that come out on console AND pc, the console has less security and more stable hardware targets. For example, most PS3 games have no 30 digit id codes, no constant Internet access required for single player games, and easy joining with friends with games.
3) Updates are not forced. If you wish to use every service available on the PS3 that worked before the last update, you can. It is only if you want the new features, the new games, and the new services on PSN that you have to upgrade.
4) The Other OS was only taken down AFTER someone started bragging about the ability to copy $60 PS3 games and play them. Until then, people could play emulators, PS1 games, PS2 games, n64, etc. Only 5-6 assholes who are too cheap to afford new games but feel deserving of free stuff ruined it for the rest of us. Or did you want Sony to let this turn out like the PSP, which is so hacked that almost no new games get released for it? They tried to open their system, and they got slapped for it.

So yeah, I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games. The fact that it had all these other benefits were just frosting on the cake. People bitched about the price, so Sony took $100 ps2 out of the system and sold it separately so you could enjoy PS1 and PS2 and not pay for it if you didn't want it.

Sorry, you can get back on your high horse about how evil Sony is. Just wanted to point out that out of all the evil companies out there, Sony is the only one letting you use generic parts and share purchases. Ooo, scary.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699066)

They're far cheaper than a computer with comparable hardware, they don't require extensive configuration and troubleshooting, and they have a lot of exclusive games that are fun? Those sound like pretty good reasons to me.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699380)

I don't own a console but I can understand the appeal. We have 6 computers in our home and in the last couple of months I've replaced a motherboard, a hard drive and a video card. With a console, all you have to do is RMA the whole damned thing. With a PC, if you get a name brand like dell, it's going to suck, be filled with inferior components... oh and you're going to have to pay hundreds of dollars for windows. So you have to build it yourself, deal with the myriad of hardware choices and compatibility issues... yadda yadda yadda. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and do my gaming on a console and just use netbooks for my general PC needs.

Re:Why not boycott PS3s (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699472)

I don't own a console but I can understand the appeal. We have 6 computers in our home and in the last couple of months I've replaced a motherboard, a hard drive and a video card.

I specifically gave up on PC gaming due to the graphics card. Every year you would have to shell out $200 to make the most of the latest First Person Shooter (FPS). Plus my largest monitor is my TV and the PS3 is right next to it (unlike the PC). Of all the evils, the PS3 is surprising the lesser of all evils. (And the super parent is correct, I turfed my XBOX360 for a PS3 due to compatibility.) My PS3 works with my existing BT headset, KB, etc.

Now, if only the PS3 could run XBMC natively it would de-throne my original XBOX on ROI. To this day I got more use out of my original XBOX than anything I have ever purchased, including your mom.

Meanwhile (5, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698470)

My PC supports every major game that comes out, and I'm free to use my system however I wish.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698516)

So, you're waiting for SONY to bring the fight to you, then? They will, if they are not driven back into their caves.

Re:Meanwhile (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698522)

Good for you but
  1. I don't want to run windows
  2. I don't want to make sure I have the right memory, right graphics card, right Direct X version, right processor
  3. PC game DRM is much worse and much more invasive than console DRM.

Re:Meanwhile (5, Interesting)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698586)

1. Then use Wine, or don't game on a PC. It's your choice, I'm not here to convert you.
2. You're making it sound way more complicated than it is, my friend, and I think you know it. The right Direct X version? Windows Update takes care of that. Was the last time you used Direct X in 1995 or something? The rest of the items you listed can be easily figured out by about 30 minutes of reading.
3. I beg to differ. With PC games I can still modify the games, and enjoy user made content, even if the game has DRM like Steam. I don't mind a company trying to keep their game from being pirated. The console itself IS the DRM. You're not free to do anything custom to any of the software you have for it. I'd say that is more invasive than anything for the PC.

Re:Meanwhile (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698760)

1. Then use Wine, or don't game on a PC. It's your choice, I'm not here to convert you.

2. You're making it sound way more complicated than it is, my friend, and I think you know it. The right Direct X version? Windows Update takes care of that. Was the last time you used Direct X in 1995 or something? The rest of the items you listed can be easily figured out by about 30 minutes of reading.

3. I beg to differ. With PC games I can still modify the games, and enjoy user made content, even if the game has DRM like Steam. I don't mind a company trying to keep their game from being pirated. The console itself IS the DRM. You're not free to do anything custom to any of the software you have for it. I'd say that is more invasive than anything for the PC.

Whoever modded the above post Troll is an idiot. He speaks the truth. Try "Insightful" instead. Also, whoever mods THIS post Troll or Flamebait is... Only mildly correct.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699246)

"With PC games I can still modify the games, and enjoy user made content" Then those levels that I downloaded in modnations racers, little big planet, ... where created by magical muppets I presume ?

Even with regards of the update of DirectX you still don't get around the shoddy programming sometimes which the only solution isn't a patch but upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.

Re:Meanwhile (2, Insightful)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698532)

So how is Halo: Reach on your PC? Oh wait...

Re:Meanwhile (2, Insightful)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698544)

I'll trade Civilization V for Halo Reach any day of the week.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698602)

I don't have to choose. I played Halo: Reach (well, the campaign, which was all I cared about), and now I'm playing Civ V. :D

Or trying to play Civ, anyway. Fucking game keeps crashing every time I hit the next turn button in my latest game. I guess I'm going to have to start a new game, which is sad because I was doing well.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698642)

It's not much of a choice for me, because I have zero interest in Halo games.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699120)

Fair enough, but are there really no games on consoles that you want to play? That seems unlikely, and if that's not the case, you're only hurting yourself if you refuse to buy a console. I respect when people stand for their principles, but there's not much point when it won't change anything.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699438)

Are consumers now so locked into entertainment concepts that being deprived of one apparently "hurts" them? This is disturbing, and I'd discuss it at length, but The Family is on and I need to go watch it.

Did You Actually Just Try Brag About...Halo??? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698636)

The Britney Spears of FPS games?

The bunny hopping shiny green Power Ranger games?

The FPS games that Microsoft was so worried about their quality that they sent out 900 dollar 'gift bags' to reviewers?

The laggy P2P based FPS that can only handle 8 vs 8 online games?

The games that have such shitty graphics they try covering the sub-HD jaggy mess with masses of Bloom?

LOL...Halo...

Re:Meanwhile (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698684)

He said "major game", not a remake of the same god damn shooter we've been getting for the last 15 or so years.

Adding some more polygons, and some realistic physics doesn't make it a new game. I could go back playing Blood, Doom 2, Quake or Half Life and it would feel exactly like Halo, only with better (mouse+kb) controls.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698886)

You mean Tribes Vengeance?

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698610)

My PC supports every major game that comes out,

You wish.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698638)

Let me put it another way. Every major game I care to play. Besides Halo and a few other similar titles, I don't see much the consoles bring to the table. I can think of more major games that the PC has exclusively than consoles.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699094)

I'd start with the RTS. Not just a game, but an entire genre of games that consoles don't have. Then the turn-based strategy too, and the overview simulators.

As a PC gamer, I've never figured out how it's even possible to play an FPS on a console. How can you possibly aim with those sticks? Or do they all come with auto-aim?

Re:Meanwhile (4, Insightful)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698804)

...and I'm free to use my system however I wish.

So, you're not using MS Windows or you never read the EULA?

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699412)

I'll put it this way: any terms in the EULA that I don't find acceptable I simply ignore, and there is always a simple software cure somewhere that circumvents any obstacles Microsoft puts in the way. The same is true for most other software or hardware vendors. That's not to suggest I'm pirating software -- I follow one license: one machine strictly and pay for the product I use -- but let's just say that if I want to reinstall Windows on the same machine I don't bother going through the hassle of phoning Microsoft for permission or putting up with the nagging from "Windows Genuine Advantage". As a consolation, I also save them the cost of the phone call. Likewise for games that insist on requiring the CD in the drive: that's what "nocd" patches are for. Technically, I'm violating the EULA and I know that. I honestly don't care (I've paid my money) and would like to see them try to sue a paying customer for this kind of violation.

As a last resort, I can wipe the system and install Linux or some other operating system on my purchased hardware instead of Windows. Unfortunately Sony has decided to eliminate the equivalent option for their PS3 customers. More precisely, they've forced their paying customers to chose between continued on-line gaming and maintaining the "Other OS" option, and they've forced the issue *after* the sale of product with both those those features has been made. While that might technically be legal under the broad terms of the EULA set at the time of purchase, it is still highly unethical. If I had a PS3 I'd certainly be looking for a way to restore the functionality of my equipment, and if I had any Sony equipment purchased since their rootkit fiasco, I wouldn't be buying any new stuff because of this nonsense. As it is, I'll just keep doing what I was already doing: boycott. Sony aren't to be trusted. They've forgotten that keeping their paying customers happy should always be more important than pirates.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699218)

"My PC supports every major game that comes out"

Oh cool where can I buy Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, Street Fighter, Halo 3 , Mario Galaxy , ... ? And with regards of the titles that are available, for how long will that be the case ? I was a pure PC gamer but support for the PC as gaming platform has been declining for years. It is very easy to say "pc gaming is dead" and I wouldn't dare say that, I rather say that gaming on the pc is on life support.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

rawler (1005089) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699268)

Except, if you use it non-windows, not every major game that comes out longer supports your PC.

You must be from Texas... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698496)

"The PS3 Hacking War has took on a new turn..."

Obviously, the hacking war is failing for more reasons than one...

/facepalm (0)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698530)

Which would you rather get called on? The fact that the article you posted is only a claim not the actual hack? Or the fact that doing this is trivial and has been since the initial hack using the ATMEGA32U4?

USB is a serial bus (it's even in the name). This means that you can easily attach other devices to it. Want to do the PS3 hack by plugging in your SIXAXIS? Okay, open it up and splice an ATMEGA32U4 onto the bus.

that's not hacking a DualShock 3 (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698906)

If you replace the CPU with another, you're not really hacking the controller itself, just using it as a power supply.

It specifically breaks the argument implied in the /. post (next stop no controllers department) which is that Sony couldn't stop this without breaking their own controllers, because this device wouldn't be presenting itself as a Dualshock 3, but as something else and thus disabling this hack wouldn't disable Dual Shock 3s.

What the fuck Sony? I cant use a USB device now? (4, Insightful)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698542)

Fuck you Sony, You removed the Other OS feature, now you remove USB support?

Why not remove video support too so no one can rip data via hdmi now that it is cracked?

Fucking shit. Sony. you suck a whores shit hole.

Re:What the fuck Sony? I cant use a USB device now (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698680)

They didn't remove USB support, all the USB device I tested still work just fine with 3.50. Not sure what exactly they are blocking, but it is definitvly not every regular USB device.

Re:What the fuck Sony? I cant use a USB device now (5, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699112)

From what I gather, it's some sort of whitelist of device or manufacturer IDs. The practical effect is that now only official Sony devices and devices that look exactly *like* official Sony devices work. But there is no crypto-auth on them, just some numbers it reads off. Some third-party accessories simply copied Sony's official ID numbers, and those still work. Some used their own, and those do not.

Is there a gizmo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698600)

Is there a gizmo that will let me re-map the buttons on the controller?

Re:Is there a gizmo? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698612)

Sure. A soldering iron.

The USB lockdown screwed me over (4, Interesting)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698628)

I have multiple 3rd party controllers that no longer work with the PS3.

So lawyers that like cases they're guaranteed to win - who wants to join me in a class action against Sony?

We're gong for full-out charges of fraud, bait and switch, deceptive and misleading advertising, and theft of services.

I think the dollar amount sufficient enough to garner media attention will be 100 BILLION dollars.

Oh, and we need to let the EU know that Sony committed massive fraud against them, as well.

Re:The USB lockdown screwed me over (1)

gblackwo (1087063) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698776)

You know it's only the unlicensed third party controllers that don't work right? Regardless of Sony's intentions over the usb patch, why would anyone expect unlicensed hardware to work forever?

Re:The USB lockdown screwed me over (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698876)

Some licensed controllers from MadCatz have been confirmed to have also got caught up too, I'm suspecting it's a bug in their handler to try to keep certain unlicensed devices out.

controllers are not licensed (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699060)

At least that's my understanding, that those MadCatz controllers are not officially Sony licensed and never were.

As to what broke and what didn't, I suspect that any USB device that changes its descriptor size on the fly has been disabled, so even the unlicensed controllers that were disabled were disabled as a side-effect, not intentionally. This is similar to what you state, just not a bug but done intentionally (for bad or for good).

Re:The USB lockdown screwed me over (2, Informative)

master811 (874700) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699076)

It's not 3rd party controllers, it's 3rd party unlicensed controllers which are not allowed. Microsoft and Nintendo do EXACTLY the same with their consoles. The difference is Sony has never enforced this until now.

Re:The USB lockdown screwed me over (1)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699284)

"I have multiple 3rd party controllers that no longer work with the PS3."

Was to be expecting no ? You can bet the PS4 will be as closed as hell. Goodbye cheap alternatives, goodbye cheap hdd replacements , goodbye toying and creating your own arcade controller that works fine on the PS3. But yeah now we can run linux, although 99% of the progress is about emulating games and pirating.

Oh, the Irony (5, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698678)

Sony removed OtherOS citing worries about piracy, despite the fact that the system was uncracked after years of OtherOS inclusion.

Very shortly after its removal, various groups publicly announced their intention to crack the system specifically because of the OtherOS removal. They very quickly succeeded, and now Sony is going to have to live with nearly instant cracks of every version of their firmware because they riled up the wrong people. Piracy is now trivial on the PS3, with the usual caveat of no online multiplayer, all thanks to some executives irrational fear of at the time nonexistent pirates.

It's a pity that the executive in question will probably be rewarded because the current rise in piracy proves that he was right about the menace of game copiers in the first place!

Re:Oh, the Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698798)

Last I heard, online multiplayer sort of works and the early reports of bans turned out to be a hoax.

Re:Oh, the Irony (1)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699314)

"various groups publicly announced their intention to crack the system specifically because of the OtherOS removal"

Don't be naive... People will always tend to crack systems if it means they can get their games for free. The linux argument is just an alibi. Do you see a lot of linux related things comming out because of this hack ? Have you seen the boards ? 99% is about pirating games and emulating.

simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698704)

Disable to controller and make everyone buy a Move!

unconfirmed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698710)

It is likely that it is accomplished with a teensy++ dev board crammed in the space where the rumble support would be had the controller been a dual shock. The author's report that the controller itself is responsible is inaccurate and uninformed. Although there is a microcontroller inside the PS3 controller, it is so far unidentified and closed to any externally injected code. The creator of the "hack" has plans to release a tutorial shortly, so we will see if that is the case in a day or so.

emulators, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33698870)

Emulators, huh? Sure, keep telling yourselves that it's all about "emulators" (nudge nudge wink wink say no more)

Re:emulators, huh? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699178)

The console manufacturers don't like emulators any more either. They used to not really mind, on the grounds that the NES/SNES era games were utterly worthless. But with the rise of smartphones and portables, and things like virtual console that make micropayments practical, those ancient assets suddenly have taken on value again. Sony are not going to approve of you emulating a Genesis and playing the classic Sonic games when you could be buying them on the Playstation Network instead.

Should have left the abiilty to install Linux.... (5, Insightful)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 3 years ago | (#33698990)

Sony, now 5 months after you killed linux on the system, there have been 4 different hacks, whereas for the 3 years you had left liunx being available to your customers, there where no hacks. I think we can now successfully say, "We told you so", when you decided to unilaterally removed an advertised feature from the PS3. The people with the knowledge to hack the system were finally given the reason to do so, because they wanted their linux back, but in doing so, that also released the floodgates of the tools used/developed to the people who simply want free games. Real smart move Sony.

Playing emulators, my ass. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699124)

How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3

Oh come on, don't be absurd. This isn't about emulators, this is about piracy, pure and simple. You can try to sugarcoat it, but 99.9% of modded consoles never touch emulators / homebrew - they're only used to play commercial games without paying for them. Stop trying to act like you're the noble ones, here.

Re:Playing emulators, my ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33699290)

Just because you're a pirate doesn't mean everyone else is.

'supposedly aimed at cloned PS3 Joypads' (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699134)

Where did Sony issue a statement saying this?

I don't see where Sony said the USB changes were to block cloned joypads. I don't see where they indicated what the USB changes were for or even acknowledge their presence at all!

USB Devices and Hard Drives? (1)

Niris (1443675) | more than 3 years ago | (#33699398)

What exactly do they mean by USB devices? I use an external hard drive or sometimes a flash drive to put movies onto the PS3 so I can watch them on my TV. Will this feature still work, or will I need to stay with the old firmware now?
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