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PS3 Jailbreaks Galore Released

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the they'll-need-a-lot-of-dogs dept.

Hardware Hacking 167

YokimaSun writes "Following up on yesterday's story about the PS3 being hacked by one of its own official controllers, there's now a guide in English that details how to mod a Sixaxxis controller. But thanks to the very latest releases, if you don't like soldering you can now use an iPod, a Pandora console or even a Dingoo console. Finally, Jaicrab has released a USB firmware loader which will come in handy once the first custom firmware for the PS3 is released. Maybe then we will get region-free Blu-ray, PS1 and PS2 games."

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Yeah, not quite. (4, Informative)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703890)

Following up on yesterday's story about the PS3 being hacked by one of its own official controllers, there's now a guide in English that details how to mod a Sixaxxis controller.

If by "official controllers" you mean "a microcontroller mounted inside the shell of an official controller", sure. Or you could save yourself the work and just keep the microcontroller outside by itself.

(And the exploit is still blocked by new firmwares, so it's still not terribly exciting.)

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704150)

Instead of a bunch of exploits and cracks and whatever, I'd currently settle for having the full functionality of my PS3 slim restored, so I can use sound over HDMI again, something I can no longer do since 3.42.

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

chammy (1096007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704228)

If you patched to 3.42 you're already out of luck. 3.41 was the last crackable version (until somebody figures out another exploit).

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704424)

As I said, I don't care about the cracks, I just want my sound back.

Re:Yeah, not quite. (4, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704490)

File a lawsuit because part of the HDMI standard requires the capability to output sound over HDMI.

You may not bear the HDMI logo without following the HDMI standard.

This is blatant false advertising

Re:Yeah, not quite. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704662)

Are you suggesting they retroactively change consoles? The geek community really can be an ass at times!

Re:Yeah, not quite. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704800)

update to 3.50 .. instead of crying

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704544)

I upgraded to 3.42 before taking the time to think about how much I've actually been using the PS3 for games this year. It's really just another media center for me at the moment.
Since realizing that I'd rather use it as a retro gaming station than have PSN functionality, I've been frustrated by my own haste to accept the update to 3.42.

Crud.

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704186)

i would dispute that the tutorial could be considered English and not a semi random group of english words
could somebody please that has access to the original please do a proper translation??

Re:Yeah, not quite. (1)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705316)

Funny enough, this is exactly what I called it out as being yesterday. I got modded down for my trouble. :D

Here's the controller hack (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33703894)

Just punch this into the controller:

                B A

It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1, Offtopic)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703896)

I sold my ps3 back when they took away my OtherOS abilities. Now I'm almost sad to see it disappear now that so many options are open to me.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (2, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703946)

You made the right choice. Getting rid of Sony is the right thing to do. Meanwhile, watching Sony waste time, money while losing customers is entertaining. So sit back and watch how it all unfolds. And if at some point you decide you want to get another PS3? Well, I am sure once Sony makes their machines completely useless you will be able to pick one up off the side of the road somewhere.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704176)

I want to agree with you so much, but people will still buy it.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704262)

Agreed, they're not going to lose a significant amount of customers IMO.

I imagine most people buy a PS3 to play the games on PS3. They don't care about things like Other OS or running emulators. So long as it can play the games they purchase they don't care.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704770)

No, the hacking geek person is the majority target of any product...oh wait!

I'm with you, the geeks are such a tiny minority it's not even funny. :P

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704444)

The likely scenario: he bought it new, (when he was counted as a customer) and the buyer would still have bought a used ps3 elsewhere. This does nothing to do the right thing and "show Sony."

They don't give much of a damn once the initial sale has been counted.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704780)

Not necessarily. The person who bought his console might have bought a new one if there hadn't been second-hand ones available, making it a lost sale for Sony. Not that they mind - they get money from every game that someone buys for the PS3, so selling it to someone who buys more games is to their benefit.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (3, Informative)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704884)

watching Sony waste time, money while losing customers is entertaining

This is fantasy.

The reality is sales of 39.1 million units.

50 million PlayStation Network accounts.

14 million PlaystationHome social networking accounts. PlayStation Network [wikipedia.org]

The PlayStation MOVE starter sets and MOVE controllers rank #4, #7, #12, and #36 in video game sales at Amazon.com.

"Civilization V" ranks #2 and "Halo: Reach" #1. If you understand the strengths of the PC platform, you can still make your mark in the top ten. Bestsellers In Video Games [amazon.com] (Updated hourly)

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705460)

But aren't they still losing money on the PS3 sales? Last I heard the x360 has been in the black for more than a year and a half, the Wii has ALWAYS been selling for a profit, but thanks to the BD drive and the Cell CPU Sony is still taking a bath on the units.It reminds me of that old "sell at a loss and make it up on volume" bit. Oh and while I hate to burst some bubbles here, as long as Sony was taking a bath on the PS3 then removing OtherOS was the right thing to do, and here is why: Sony needs games being bought to turn those red marks from the sale into black marks, and if you are spending all your time in OtherOS, like those that bought them to play with the cell, then you are a net loss to Sony. It would be in their best interests to kill OherOS and have you get mad and sell it rather than have you keep it, as the unit is already a sunk cost and if you sell it to someone who uses it to play games that turns it into a net win.

So I'd say the only real mistake Sony made there was not continuing to make an OtherOS PS3 and simply sell it at $700 as a "research tool" and been done with it. That way those that just wanted it for Cell and OtherOS could pay them enough the unit wouldn't be a loss, and those that wanted to make clusters of PS3s for use as a budget supercomputer could still do so. But thanks to their royally pissing off the hacker community I figure its just a matter of time before we see hacked PS3s all over Craigslist like we see the hacked x360s now.

Re:It almost makes me sad to have sold my ps3. (1)

tdelaney (458893) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705234)

I sold my PS3 just before my 1-year warranty ran out, after it had been replaced twice - 1 hardware failure, and one firmware bricking. I just didn't trust it anymore, and with future firmware bricking going to cost me a motza I got out while I still could.

Since I got it with my TV and only ever used it as a media centre, I used the money I got to fund most of my first HTPC build.

Lots of compatible devices.. (4, Informative)

VMaN (164134) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703898)

The summary makes it sound like the ps3 controller was first, but there have been lots of compatible devices, especially android phones, also listed here.

http://psfreedom.com/wiki/Device_compatibility_list [psfreedom.com]

Re:Lots of compatible devices.. (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704222)

And now you can use your iPod video 5G [url=http://psgroove.com/?p=1028]http://psgroove.com/?p=1028[/url]

Re:Lots of compatible devices.. (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705106)

I can't believe it hasn't had a mention in this thread -

The PSFreedom hack started out with someone tinkering with their N900 - the full-fat linux phone.

The Android, iPhone, dingoo and other PSFreedom ports originate there.

Um.. (4, Insightful)

Jethro (14165) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703926)

If you're going to make a guide telling people where to solder chips onto a board, you should really, REALLY make the effort to have those pictures be in focus.

Re:Um.. (5, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705028)

Best possible advice I can give to anyone soldering is not do it stoned and/or naked. I know that may sound strange and unbelievable, but when you get stoned you tend to try to do your favorite hobbies in new and exciting ways.

My particular mistake was being distracted by the awe and wonderment of solder turning into a liquid and not realizing that it had pooled on the table and then started a river of molten hot excitement over the edge, down my stomach, across my penis, and then a waterfall of exquisite, transcendental, and searing heat/pain/dear-fucking-god-thats-hot of solder across both my testicles.

I realize this PSA might be for a small demographic here on Slashdot, but trust me, it's an important one.

As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0, Troll)

Zixx (530813) | more than 3 years ago | (#33703956)

... I find slashdot's collective hardon for the cracking of the machine somewhat distasteful.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33703976)

... I find slashdot's collective hardon for the cracking of the machine somewhat distasteful.

wow that comment is most ripe for innuendo picking. good job

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704000)

STBY

Overblown (4, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704024)

The PS2 was thoroughly broken via crafted PS1 memory save, yet the PS2 and games live quite a healthy life, only diminished by new technology, not via piracy.

Sony's best move would have been to give more freedom in developing and sideloading apps front and center in the XMB. As many have said, given homebrew access to everything, the only remaining interested party for jailbreaking would be pirates, which seem to largely piggyback on the homebrew devs to do all the hard work. Discless play option for all games delivered via disc would be nice too (main reason I did the PS2 was to load all my games from HD. I legitimately own maybe 60 PS2 discs and I hate managing physical media.

Re:Overblown (2, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704380)

In this case the USB hack appears to have been developed by pirates, judging from the firmware patch that it was used to install (hint: lots of stuff to do with "backups" in it). So I think this theory has been pretty much disproven. There probably isn't anything Sony could do about this type of thing except have the PS3 more aggressively auto update itself, like Chrome.

Re:Overblown (3, Informative)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704474)

The USB exploit was discovered and used by a piracy company/manufacturer, but it is practically guaranteed that they built off of the then-early homebrew hacks for its development (the geohot glitching exploit and xorloser's xorhack toolkit, to name a couple), even though the final product was condensed down to a piracy device. These early homebrew hacks started off as a response to Sony pulling OtherOS from the Slim and ballooned after Sony illegitimately pulled OtherOS from all existing consoles.

The PS3 has doubtlessly been under attack from would-be piracy companies since its release. Given the timing involved, I think we can safely say that the PSJailbreak piracy device wouldn't have happened had Sony not pulled OtherOS and prompted homebrew hackers to start breaking into the system, paving the way for thorough analysis. Though admittedly in this case the PSJailbreak developers did more of the work than you'd normally expect (usually, homebrew is well on its way before piracy companies start using it).

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (2, Insightful)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704042)

Taking a guess, you must be a game developer. While I'm sure it's nice in a business sense that Sony can tell developers and publishers that their console is invincible to hacking, nothing like that can last forever. Ultimately, everything is cracked; it's just a matter of how much time it takes. Personally I am pleased at the level of enthusiasm the techie community is displaying towards cracking the PS3 because it will, for better or worse, eventually lead to a more open system.

And for the record, if you are a game developer, you shouldn't believe the hyperbole and propaganda that Sony and the major game publishers no doubt tell you about the dangers of piracy. It is a popular scapegoat for big companies that don't sell their media as well as they'd like, or that just want greater control over their products post-sale, but there's never been any solid evidence to connect high piracy rates with low or no sales. Just because the PS3 has been broken doesn't mean that sales of PS3 games are going to drop flat.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704124)

It may lead to a more open PS3, but will result in the PS4 being considerably less open as an attempt to counter the hacking.

That said, piracy drives sales of consoles and many of those pirates will buy some legit games as well as various accessories which they wouldn't have bought otherwise.
When the Amiga was a big gaming platform a few years ago the reason most people had bought one was because they could copy games between their friends (as opposed to cartridge based console systems of the time where this wasn't easy to do), this wasn't organised large scale piracy, one guy buys a game and shares it with his school friends. I doubt overall sales of games went down, it just meant that kids could spend their limited pocket money and get more games to play.

I also know a number of people who have had xbox 360 and wii systems for a few years, but held off on buying a ps3 because there was no way to get free games for it. Most of these people have several accessories for their consoles, as well as a handful of non pirated games.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704452)

It may lead to a more open PS3, but will result in the PS4 being considerably less open as an attempt to counter the hacking.

Well, SONY has ensured that a PS4+ will not sit alongside the PS1, PS2, or PS3 in my place. After shutting down my PS3, with freshly stolen OtherOS feature, I've realized that their products are really not all that essential. Oddly enough, none of my consoles are hacked, all of my games are bought and paid for, but I now have no qualms about hacking my PS3, especially if it leads to booting the OS again. Playing "backups" is just a nice optional bonus.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (4, Insightful)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704488)

It may lead to a more open PS3, but will result in the PS4 being considerably less open as an attempt to counter the hacking.

Sony already blew it by pulling OtherOS. If the PS4 is less open, then, as usual, chances are it will be attacked earlier and by more dedicated homebrew hackers, and it will lead to piracy earlier. The PS3 was the most open system this generation, and also the one that lasted the longest without piracy. This isn't a coincidence. Sony can either learn the lesson and open up the PS4, or not do so and end up like all the others [marcansoft.com] (somewhat outdated table).

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704600)

I was noticing the stacks of legit games I have for the various systems. They seem to correspond directly with how easy it is to run the games without the original media. XBox, DS and Wii have the most, followed PS2. I have zero games for the PS3 or 360 (although the biggest obstacle seems to have been removed which was the fact that you have to send it back to MS for repairs on a regular basis)

To be fair, I do have more Atari 2600 games than any of the others, but those were all garage sale purchases during the PS1 time frame.

exactly (1)

rubypossum (693765) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705266)

I bought a Wii ONLY because it could be cracked. We wanted a way to watch Netflix and could've afforded the PS3, Xbox 360 or Wii. I bought the Wii because it was easy to crack - no hardware needed. I haven't bought a console before this since.... the super nintendo (really.) Me and my wife just don't play games (we're twenty somethings, not old fogies.) We bought the Wii for Netflix. The fact that I cracked it and burned some games I don't own doesn't hurt any game studio. Because we NEVER WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE GAME OR THE SYSTEM in the first place. If anything it might turn us non-gamers who would never spend money on something into gamers.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (2)

Zoidbot (1194453) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704142)

It won't lead to a more open system. All these idiot hackers have ensured, is that the PS4 won't come with OtherOS or ability to use lots of different USB devices and your own HDD. It will be locked down in every possible respect.

You can thank idiots like Geohot for that.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33705114)

Seriously... you are making that idiotic argument? And not posting as an anon?

Wow.

Sony's system was cracked once they started REMOVING features and fucking people off. This idiotic "talking point" is getting traction in the media - namely that systems need to be sold crippled and broken in order to be "secure" from the people who bought them.

Sony's next console can be a brick of concrete with a picture painted on it for all I care - I won't be buying one.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (4, Interesting)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704200)

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (3, Interesting)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704576)

> Read this please
Okay. I don't really have the inclination to read every single post and comment in that large thread, but I read the question and some of the highest-ranked answers. The top-rated answer, by Dana Holt, presents a good argument but there are problems with her post. On a pedantic level she compares copyright infringement to physical theft, which is sure to aggravate anyone in the piracy debate and should be avoided. If she has been debating it for years as she claims, she ought to know that speaking in such a way is just an inflammatory thing to do. Additionally, she says that she was able to produce raw data that connected a keygen with low sales, but I do not see any citations for her claims, or any of the actual data. Plus, how does she know that none of the keys she revoked were legitimate, or used by legitimate customers?

I'm just not sure what you wanted me to come away with from linking me to that. It just demonstrates that there is a wide variety of opinions in the piracy debate, and that none of them can be convincingly substantiated with evidence because of the nature of the problem.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704630)

*Plus, how does she know that none of the keys she revoked were legitimate, or used by legitimate customers?* You keep a database of issued valid keys. You would have know this if you had read the entire article. Why do you expect people to provide their work to you for free? There exist a lot of material that is free for you to use with the blessing of those who created it so why don't you just stick to that subset?

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (3, Interesting)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704732)

> Why do you expect people to provide their work to you for free?

This is a bad question.

First of all, you can't make assumptions about my motives. Nowhere in any of my posts have I said that I pirate software. Don't make personal attacks in order to legitimize your own position.

Two, the wording of your question is biased towards copyright holders. I see questions like yours quite a bit, and I just now realized how slanted they are. Your question assumes that a copyright holder has to somehow go out of their way to provide their work for free, as you said, but in most cases of piracy the copyright holder has to do nothing at all except release the original work, which is what happens anyway. The phrasing of your question adds undeserved emotional weight to your position by implying that those evil pirates are forcing the poor artist to proactively do something which benefits only them and screws the artist. It's dishonest.

A better question would have been "Why do you expect to have access to the work of others for free?" but my first point about personal attacks would still apply.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704924)

If any software redirected me to a site that explained I was a theif when I wasn't, and tried to prove a 70% in sales due to a keygen I would make it my next project to prove that is incorrect.

I'd make a free clone of the software, and I'd explain to the author of the payware why I did it. I'd love to see the results on the sales then. It'd be interesting if they went up, which would prove a point--people who pirate software don't do it because they are getting it for free (which would be somewhat of a reason that sales could go down). They are doing it because it's an activity they enjoy, or because they saw someone use it and they needed to use it themselves for a short while (since they have to work on that person's stuff), which is my theory.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704388)

As someone that's been to both sides, I have pirated a lot of games, and am developing my own now, I can honestly say you're full of shit. A developer will put a lot more time and money into games that he expects to make a certain amount of money, to recoup his investment and enough to get started on the next one. While most of the games pirated taking the headlines are from big companies, where losing a few percentages won't hurt them too much, for a 2-3 man team, these are devastating. The mindset of some who pirates a game is this, the bigger the game, the more dangerous to pirate it it is. Which would you feel guiltier about, stealing a 5 dollar game or a 60 one? Well, the ones that get hurt the most are the 5 dollar guys.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704788)

Keep in mind that the only damage done by piracy is from those who would have bought it otherwise. In the case of a $5 indie game, you may say that more would be inclined to buy it because of its much more appealing price (leaving aside the issue of game quality), but the indie game wouldn't have anywhere near the market exposure that the $60 professional title would have. Piracy helps these small indie games by spreading mindshare of the game, and if the game in question is good, more people will know about it and buy it. If the game developer encourages, accepts or tolerates sharing of the game, that will get them some goodwill from the fans as well.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

index0 (1868500) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704432)

Im sure there is evidence to support the disassociation between piracy and sales. You just have to compare multiplatform games (games on ps3 and xbox360). When you get games that sell equally well on both consoles, yet one of them (the xbox360) has been "cracked" for a very long time, that says to me that piracy makes such a small dent in sales.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704620)

Or that more people have a XBox360?

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Zixx (530813) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704530)

And for the record, if you are a game developer, you shouldn't believe the hyperbole and propaganda that Sony and the major game publishers no doubt tell you about the dangers of piracy. It is a popular scapegoat for big companies that don't sell their media as well as they'd like, or that just want greater control over their products post-sale, but there's never been any solid evidence to connect high piracy rates with low or no sales. Just because the PS3 has been broken doesn't mean that sales of PS3 games are going to drop flat.

Sorry, that's just not true. The first game I worked on was a PC title. When we released it, it didn't sell spectacularly, but did pretty well, with a noticeable day-by-day increase in sales. Yes, you can get day-by-day sale reports in some places. :)
Of course, we watched gamecopyworld and friends for the first cracks to show up and literally the day the game got cracked, sales dropped like a rock. Well, actually, they were still pretty stable for a while, just at a much, much lower level.
Sure, if you're Call of Duty you still make money, just a good chunk less. If you are an independent studio, you may just have to close shop.

And if you're a console manufacturer? Well, you make your money off of the per-unit license fees (and I guess off of subscription, if you're Microsoft). If those go down, you're in trouble, as you just sold your hardware at a loss.
If you're at the point where you sell hardware at a profit, it might actually be good for the manufacturer, because you will move lots of boxes. The gamedevs are still screwed, though.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704628)

The existence of a video game market, and the fact that no one has found an unbreakable DRM proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that your analysis is wrong.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704672)

> Of course, we watched gamecopyworld and friends for the first cracks to show up and literally the day the game got cracked, sales dropped like a rock.

You know, I've been following the piracy debate for a while, and I have seen this claim and others like it on the Internet many times. There are just two problems with them. One is that they're never backed up with any sort of data that inconclusively demonstrates that piracy killed sales; readers are forced to take the poster at his word. Two, they always start and stop with individual posts on various forums. If piracy were really a big enough problem that it could massacre sales of a game, information about it would be all over the Internet. As it is, I have -never- seen actual evidence that piracy is anything but an Internet boogeyman, or that it does any substantial harm, or that harsh copyright enforcement measures are justified. I think that the need for actual evidence on the antipirates' side is so great that anything solid at all would quickly become popular and well-known. Since there is nothing solid, I have to assume that claims such as "piracy kills sales" are misleading or just false.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Zixx (530813) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704998)

If piracy were really a big enough problem that it could massacre sales of a game, information about it would be all over the Internet.

Some of it is. If you look around, independent developers will sometimes post actual numbers and they are often quite impressive. For larger companies, you really, really don't want to give your investors the idea that your income will implode after some random number of days. Ever wonder why you cannot really get sales numbers for unsuccessful titles?
Anyway, companies are actively working to mitigate this effect. This is why multiplayer with a centralized authentication scheme is so popular these days.
But again, you'd have to take my word for that, as I naturally can't post anyone's real numbers. :)

In any case, go to a pub with a bunch of game devs. Get them drunk, then ask.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

phek (791955) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704932)

Of course, we watched gamecopyworld and friends for the first cracks to show up and literally the day the game got cracked, sales dropped like a rock.

That doesn't even make sense. The people who are following game cracks or whatever on a day by day basis are not the ones buying games. Therefore to say that "literally" the day the crack got released your sales significantly dropped because of it is just false. The only way this could possibly be close to true (and still wouldn't be the same day) is if people who weren't buying your game to begin with played the cracked version, realized it sucked and recommended to people not to play it because it's not worth the money. Even then I would say you would have to wait a week before you saw any change in sales. Maybe next time you should try making a game that doesn't suck and people will actually recommend? because in reality you were the one(s) stealing money from individuals and providing them with something not worth the money.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704054)

"Collective"?

Not me.

I think these attempts are inevitable and ultimately will lead to manufacturers who leave products more open and those who lock them down with biometrics thighter than a you know what.

Peter Drucker (& other management experts) said "Eliminate everything that doesn't benefit the consumer".

It is up to the innovative producer of products to make a compelling case for their product and not just a hook with handcuffs, that the consumer will buy into long term.

I understand manufacturers and distributors will come and go. That is what happens in a dynamic business, and is why ANY business that wants to last had better innovate continually, or...THEY WILL BE FOOTNOTES IN HISTORY.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0, Flamebait)

Montezumaa (1674080) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704058)

Just how does your income depend on PS3s? Do you create games? Well, game companies already make a fucking fortune; next. Do you sell games and/or gaming consoles? Well, your sales are about to increase, next. Do you work for Sony? Well, Sony fucked themselves and they are still making a huge fucking fortune, next...wait, I have run out of ideas.

The fact is that you have no right to complain, but you are simply taking the same side that most people here hate. What I find distasteful is that you believe you have any fucking right to tell me how I can and cannot use the goddamn property I own. Oh wait, you can't.

Go away, if you do not like the stories presented here.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704278)

Fuck karma, ignore the stupid mods! I agree to your point of view.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704338)

Just how does your income depend on PS3s? Do you create games? Well, game companies already make a fucking fortune; next.

Obviously, you don't work for a game company. Maybe you don't work at all? Or maybe you're liberal and hate business and expect everything for free? Who knows...

Do you sell games and/or gaming consoles? Well, your sales are about to increase, next.

Umm, how, exactly? Do you think Richard Stallman and the other 5 people in the world who care about HW access will outweigh legions of folks who are just too cheap to buy games?

Do you work for Sony? Well, Sony fucked themselves and they are still making a huge fucking fortune, next...

Yeah, well F.U. too... Also, apparently you haven't seen Sony's balance statements recently.

The fact is that you have no right to complain, but you are simply taking the same side that most people here hate.

This is America, we have the right to complain all we want.YMMV if you're in some other godforsaken country.

What I find distasteful is that you believe you have any fucking right to tell me how I can and cannot use the goddamn property I own.

You want the HW? Fine. Don't expect any support, and don't expect to be able to use the PSN at all. Oh wait, that game you wanted to play requires Sony's networking service (whose upkeep is paid for by license sales that you now disclaim)? Well, sucks to be you then... Have fun with your disconnected brick; after all, you own all the pieces, right?

*** I'm an employee of a Sony affiliate, but this is Sunday and I'm speaking only for myself ***

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0, Troll)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704564)

Technically, your parents own the PS3 in their basement, since they paid for it. Actually, as their welfare checks come out of my tax money, it's really mine. I'll be around to collect it later, and if you give me any trouble, I shall kick you in the groin until your testicles descend and your voice breaks.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704080)

... I find slashdot's collective hardon for the cracking of the machine somewhat distasteful.

The fact that everyone and their ub3r-l337 h@xxxxx0rz fr13ndz0rz!1!! will brag about how this will allow "new, inventive games THEY(tm) don't want you to see!1!!!1!", yet it'll get exactly as far as making the same emulators again so everyone can play Chrono Trigger for the eight billionth damn time, just like every other modern console crack ever released, is what disgusts me.

NOTE: Yes, I know someone's going to bring up some token DDR clone or some port of a ten-year-old open-source game, and frankly, I'm not at all impressed. And the fact that nobody's done anything interesting with homebrew since the 2600 doesn't mean Activision proves your point.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704148)

I think the best thing to come from a cracked console has to be XBMC..
The media playback abilities on the default xbox or ps2 was pretty limited, restricted to just dvd media... Newer generation consoles are better but still fairly limited in what formats they support, for non high def content it's still very hard to beat a first gen xbox running xbmc.

For the record, i do agree with you on the emulators... i was quite disappointed to see the first ps3 homebrew apps were basically emulators for old consoles... If i wanted to play ancient games, i can already emulate them on a pc or i could buy original consoles and a huge selection of games on ebay for far less than the cost of a ps3.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704198)

Emulators simply make sense though as one of the first things ported. When you port a SNES emulator you are in essence allowing 785+ games to be played, port a NES emulator and you are letting 798+ games be played, etc. Original content is good, but an emulator is quick to port and pretty useful.

If you were going to write something for a console to be the first thing someone downloaded, do you want it to be an original game that would take a year or so to be fully playable, bug free, or would you rather do a quick port of a SNES emulator so people can -do- something with their newly cracked console?

I for one, think emulators are fantastic on consoles because just think about it, every game you've every played during your childhood you have on a single console. No more blinking red LED of the NES, no more swapping cartridges, no more scratched disks, lessened loading times, etc.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704368)

Emulators simply make sense though as one of the first things ported. When you port a SNES emulator you are in essence allowing 785+ games to be played, port a NES emulator and you are letting 798+ games be played, etc. Original content is good, but an emulator is quick to port and pretty useful.

If you were going to write something for a console to be the first thing someone downloaded, do you want it to be an original game that would take a year or so to be fully playable, bug free, or would you rather do a quick port of a SNES emulator so people can -do- something with their newly cracked console?

I for one, think emulators are fantastic on consoles because just think about it, every game you've every played during your childhood you have on a single console. No more blinking red LED of the NES, no more swapping cartridges, no more scratched disks, lessened loading times, etc.

Except that, in any appreciable sense, that's the ONLY significant thing that ever gets made for a cracked console, and that's something that's already been done easier, more flexibly, and better on platforms that don't need to be cracked first, and for over a decade to boot.

My point isn't that emulators are BAD. My point is that heralding the emergence of an emulator as not just a triumph over the big bad game companies, but the triumph, when it's all been done before over and over and over and over again, and when history has shown that nothing worthwhile will ever be done with this information, is sorely disappointing and disgusting from a creative standpoint.

It almost supports the claim that big-money studios are really needed to do anything new and interesting anymore on a console.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704364)

XMBC is x86 based these days, they openly say they're not interested and won't help other arch's. Running old emulators is happening because the code already exists, durrr. They're compiling for PPC and signing the code for PS3 execution. There are over 20,000 application that will run with minimal effort, just look at what PS3 (PPC) linux distos had. But this new stuff is bypassing the linux side of things.

Consoles are shit for media support, despite having adequate hardware to handle the formats. You van buy $5 Sigma Design blu--ray system on a chip ICs that'll give you wired and wireless networking, DLNA, SMB, many many media formats, out of the box. Why do you think TVs have massively superior media support than the 360 and PS3? It costs them almost nothing to integrate it. Sony and MS are going out of their way to stop their products being successful media players. Why is this...?

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704082)

Why? How does having a "cracked" machine necessarily hurt your income? Are you afraid of piracy? Well, what of the people who paid money for a feature, only to have that feature removed by a software update that had to be installed or else you lost other features? You're income apparently depends on stealing from people. I find that distasteful.

Seriously, though. If you are a games programmer, are you worried about piracy? The Playstation has the ability to sell download only games, why couldn't you switch to that instead of discs, require your game to log in to the Playstation Network to play, and if it doesn't have a sale of your game to that account on record, disable the game? Many games already require a log-in (meaning that there are games I now cannot play because I chose the ability to run linux as the feature I would keep when Sony decided to steal that or online play from me), so it's not like it would be too much to ask for...

As a note, I also have a jailbroken iPhone. Many people depend on that for their income (hardware designers, programmers). Yet, I have never pirated software for it. Hardware people got paid when I bought it (boy did they get paid...), app developers have gotten paid through Apple's App Store (I've spent way too much money, though I don't pay for stupid games...I wait until the developer releases them for free trials or special days), and even developers through Cydia have been paid (Over Board, here's looking at you...). I find it distasteful that you seem to think that because I support hacking my PS3 that I'm the one who is an immoral thief out to steal your babies' food money. In fact, I find it rather insulting. However, I'm willing to let that slide.

So please, why do you find this so distasteful? I think having a reasoned, sober opinion from "the other side" would be a healthy addition to the debate on PS3 Jailbreaking.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

daid303 (843777) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704260)

You might be interested in these numbers:
339170 Homebrew Channel installations ( http://hackmii.com/2010/08/the-scope-of-homebrew-channel/ [hackmii.com] ). Of 70mil Wiis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii [wikipedia.org] )
We are talking about about 0.5% of the consoles having been "homebrew enabled", this is pretty much a required step for running 'backups' on the Wii. (Not all homebrew installs are for piracy, but a lot are) Yes, piracy happens, but only in a small amount. And the Wii is ridiculously easy to hack.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704274)

I hear that drinking pineapple juice helps with the taste.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704398)

As someone who believes what you buy is YOURS, I find your disdain for freedom to be extremely distasteful.

It's been YEARS since I pirated anything, but I did miss the ability to run Linux and SDL applications on the PS3. Hooking up your laptop to the TV is NOT accomplishing the same thing!

Maybe you should be saying "Gee, I wish Sony did not deliberately lie about their advertised features and that they did not engage in collective punishment. "

It's a pity, because Sony DID do a good job at opening up the PS3 to Linux while still protecting software developers. Now it looks like they only promised Linux support to gain competitive advantage against the Xbox, and it's not needed anymore.

I hope one of your software vendors arbitrarily disables some feature in your development tools, just to teach you how inconsiderate you are. That is what Sony did to us.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705442)

"As someone who believes what you buy is YOURS, I find your disdain for freedom to be extremely distasteful."

If you believe that then doesn't it follow that something isn't yours until you buy it, yet you admit to pirating?

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704626)

You mean the machine that they sold *AS A COMPUTER*, not just a console, and then crippled the functionality of in an update?
Yes, it will lead to piracy. All platforms have piracy. Game sales have still been phenomenal for the last 15 years.
It will also lead to people getting the functionality *they paid for* back on devices they own.

And my income has depended on game sales as well, so take your holier-than-thou stance and stuff it.

Tough luck. (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704808)

Allow me to advocate for the devil.

As a customer I find it distasteful that for the last three years (about) the PS3 have been devoid of piracy while the XBox 360 have not, yet there is no discernible difference in game price between the two platforms, and to celebrate three years of no piracy, Sony's been busy removing features from the console. So explain to me why I should care about piracy on the PS3? There are no negatives for me. If it becomes widespread it's likely prices on originals will DROP (yes, really. See also "PC Gaming"), and it'll also probably open up the features Sony removed and add more -- maybe a good media player will appear, you know, the kind Sony should have been giving is if they weren't totally schizofrenic (mp3 bad! mp3 players good!, etc). For a consumer, even one that isn't going to actually use copies, it seems like a win. More piracy equals more features and less expensive games.

Besides, both platforms are already too old to be destroyed by it.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704840)

That's nice. Maybe you could ask sony to stop pissing in the face of their customers, and laughing manically that it's a wonderful warm rain.

That aside, sony reaps what it sows. And consumers will say "enough", and revolt.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704890)

I don't understand how your income and cracking the PS3 are related? Are you talking about mythical piracy dollars that aren't real, don't exist, and aren't compensable except in crazy countries like the US?

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705160)

And I find your desire to control what I do with my electronics beyond merely distasteful.

I have cracked my PS3. I have loaded a couple of games onto the hard drive, from discs that I own. I've played around with the ftp server and the firmware loader to see what happens when I change things. I'm interested in being able to run linux on there again, maybe even with graphics acceleration this time. I would really like to get mplayer going in under GameOS so that the PS3 could play a wider range of media.

If Sony had not taken linux away, and had not crippled it in the first place, there wouldn't be so many people interested in this and it would be far easier to declare those doing so "pirates", though likely still not 100% accurate. As it is you have a lot of people interested in the freedom to use their device as they see fit, and damned straight they're all pushing in the same direction as those that fly under the Jolly Roger right now.

I'm sorry if you worry for your income stream, that would shake me too, but get your head out of your ass before calling it distasteful, please.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705246)

Welll.... then you are being selfish and amoral. Sincerely, you are putting your immediate needs above the rights, morality, and ethics of the environment you work in.

I can appreciate that you have a financial interest, but I find it extremely distasteful that your financial interest trumps my right to peaceably enjoy my property.

Keep in mind please that I never "pirated" my console. I paid for it hard earned currency in my own job I do each and every day. Your financial interests aside, I have an absolute and irrevocable right based on sound moral and ethical principles to do with my property as I wish. Not as you wish, but as I wish. I don't tell you that your microwave can't be used for popcorn do I? That your PC must run a specific linux distro? Then why do you get to tell me what I do with my PS3?

You don't get to do that, and neither does Sony. This is fact well before we even start to consider the issues of piracy that are possible when people get to fully enjoy their private property. Piracy is merely an issue used to distract us from the real moral and ethical foundations of this situation.

Please believe me, I am not flaming you here. It is not my intention to do so. However, I cannot remain silent and not tell you that I find your behavior distasteful. Specifically, the behavior of "settling for less". We all do it every day. Allowing things to continue that we know is wrong, but it becomes necessary for our way of life, our standards of living to continue unabated.

Although your income may be at stake here, I urge you to at least acknowledge that you have no right to control what we do with our hardware.

I am no hypocrite either. I acknowledge that my purchase of my laptop contributed to a significant amount of suffering in third world countries (and China). My very way of life in the US is founded upon the continued suffering and exploitation of other countries. I get that. What I don't do is claim it is distasteful when those other countries attempt to improve their lot in life and raise our prices over here.

Re:As someone whose income depends on the PS3... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33705258)

I found Sony's overall behavior for this generation to be extremely distasteful. They have been progressively more and more anti-user, and have continually removed functionality and made their machine *worse*. I was perfectly happy paying for my games, as I really do believe in compensating those who make my games. I was looking forward to getting (and yes, paying for) Gran Turismo 5. But the final straw was broken when they removed OtherOS. They *actively harmed* the objects I had already paid good money for. They have even continued on this path with the disabling of other things in firmware 3.50. After that, I decided that Sony would no longer get any of my money, and should pay for their actions. I wish there were a way for the gamemakers to get money and Sony *not* to, but there doesn't seem to be such an option.

I'm sure I'm not alone, and *this* is why we are so very happy about these developments.

Banned (1)

Zoidbot (1194453) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704108)

The big question is, are there actually people stupid enough to try this out? I mean a permanently banned console is worthless, and basically throwing your money away...

Re:Banned (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704138)

It's common in 3rd world countries like Spain to avoid paying for console games if possible, no matter what the consequences are.

Re:Banned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704230)

The big question is, are there actually people stupid enough to try this out? I mean a permanently banned console is worthless, and basically throwing your money away...

There's quite a few people, myself included, that only play single-player games, and have never played multiplayer with a console (multiplayer gaming is boring to me...you play the same map over and over. I want to go through a story, reach the end, and move on to the next game). The only thing I used the playstation network for is to buy some PSN games, but if Sony doesn't want my money, I'm fine playing just the disc-based games.

And no, I don't mean pirated disc-only games. I'm looking forward for some good homebrew media players though, considering that sony's ability to play mp4 over wireless is broken and they refuse to fix the stuttering issue.

Re:Banned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704706)

Don't be a cretin. MP4 streaming works just fine, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

Firstly, don't rely on cheap-ass free and usually buggy media server.

There are NO free DLNA certified Mediaservers (there are some that wrongly claim to be DLNA, but are actually UPnP). If you use a proper server, MP4 streaming works just fine. I never have ANY streaming problems whatsoever.

Other OS? (2, Informative)

vio (95817) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704170)

Haven't been following these developments too closely, but does anyone know if this jailbreak will eventually (or already does) allow installing a Linux distro on a jailbroken PS3?

Removing the OtherOS option really pissed off a lot of people (including a friend of mine who wanted to try his hand at some Cell development) and while I admit the machine didn't quite seem powerful enough to run full-on X/* comfortably (and forget compiz/etc) it still had its uses for many of us tinkerers (yes yes, small crowd).

Re:Other OS? (2, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33705230)

There are two options for linux on a Jailbroken PS3 -

1. Re-enable OtherOS. Some progress seems to have been made in this direction, one guy managed to get linux to install to an existing OtherOS partition by running the OtherOS installer, which can be made to work on cracked machine. However there doesn't seem to be a way of activating it. Work is currently going on to crack PS3s running fw version 3.15, so that a firmware dump of those can be analysed to see what the differences are and find out if there's an easy way to reactivate it in 3.41+ machines.

2. Boot linux, or some bootloader, directly from GameOS. This is going to require a FOSS SDK (one is underway I believe) as at the moment most homebrew uses a leaked Sony SDK. And then probably a fair bit of work to get it going.

IMHO, number 2 there is the better option, especially as GameOS has access to the GFX hardware when OtherOS never did. Though there are rumours that people have manged to get level 1 (hypervisor) access in the last few days, so it could all be up for change before long.

Anyone else hate the term "jailbreak"? (0, Offtopic)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704196)

It sounds so.. childish. I also hate that people think it's cool to adapt the name for other things.

Re:Anyone else hate the term "jailbreak"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704286)

I reminds me of one of my favorite UT mutators.

Re:Anyone else hate the term "jailbreak"? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704386)

It sounds so.. childish. I also hate that people think it's cool to adapt the name for other things.

Well, what's the average age of the people who actually care about jailbreaking?

Re:Anyone else hate the term "jailbreak"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33705298)

Jail is a long-used technical term for a sandbox in a computer. Breaking out of a jail is not a particularly new technique, and has nothing to do with piracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jail_%28computer_security%29

How to get exploitable firmware? (1)

CoriolisSTORM (1144301) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704252)

How can I get the firmware this thing is compatible with? I waited on geohot (way to pull through in the clutch bud!) and at 3.21 I think. (had to update for a game) So now I can't get to the exploitable firmware since the new one has been released. Are there any games that require the exploitable one?

Re:How to get exploitable firmware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704284)

there are numerous places online to download firmware 3.41. Download it, put it on a flash drive in the proper folder, install it. 3.41 is the ONLY firmware currently supported by jailbreaking devices.

Sony entertaining even non-PS3 owners (4, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#33704304)

I don't even own a PS3 and yet Sony has been thoughtful enough to entertain me lately with all these stories of them cutting off various appendages in order to spite their face.

<leans back in easy chair and sips drink>

Re:Sony entertaining even non-PS3 owners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33704828)

What's the pretentious elitest cocktail of choice these days?
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