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Microsoft Migrating Live Spaces Users To WordPress

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the giving-up-the-ghost dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has decided it can't compete with the established blogging platforms out there and will instead embrace one of them. Talking at the TechCrunch Disrupt conference, Dharmesh Mehta, Director of Product Management for Windows Live, announced that all existing Windows Live Spaces users will be migrated over to an account at WordPress.com. This decision is one Microsoft has prepared for, and the CEO of Automattic, the company that runs and develops the WordPress platform, was also present on stage with Mehta. The two companies have worked together to ensure Spaces users will take all of their data with them when migrating and have visitors automatically forwarded to the new URL associated with their blog."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716072)

first

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716498)

I pooped. Wanna smell? I poop. I poo-poo. It stinks.

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716582)

fUCK yeah, nigga. I love the smell of a fresh pile of poop. Gimme that shit load, dog. Woooht.

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716680)

Bro -- nothin's better than a fresh pile of STANK! You da nigga boss!

Gotta say, they picked a good one (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716080)

Wordpress is quite flexible, and super easy to install onto your own hosting server.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716092)

But what kind of morons use Microsoft Live Space ?

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716122)

People with real lifes?

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716104)

Just gotta make sure you cache that madness.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

vivin (671928) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716250)

Agree. I had my own hacked-together custom blogging-platform that I wrote way back in 2002. I kept wanting to do the "grand rewrite" to add more features, but never got around to it. Finally I realized that I would just be reinventing the wheel and decided that the smart thing to do would be to go with Wordpress.

They have really good documentation for their database schema and so I didn't have a very hard time migrating my old data over. With wordpress in place it's become very easy for me to make blog posts. Not to mention that there are hundreds and hundreds of Wordpress plugins that offer added functionality.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716550)

Question from non-blogger:

Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716580)

Or the built-in editors that come with Mozilla/seaMonkey and Opera?

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716620)

Yes you can, but developers have an ego too big to simply do that, they'll cry about how the written code suck compared to what they think they can write.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716630)

Because that makes garbage HTML?
Really anyone who does that should be banned from the internets.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1, Flamebait)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716958)

WordPress also outputs horrible HTML, so that's not an argument.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716660)

They don't need the special software, the software just makes the process less 'tarded, including things like automatically generating a front page with recent items, and other non-tarded stuff like indexes and feeds.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716714)

Why would someone need office software, why can't they just use MS Notepad?

It turns out that customizing layouts (IE: you must be able to quickly make small or major changes or use templates made by others without having to modify the actual content in any way), adding plugins (galleries and whatnot), managing comments (how much links can there be? will they be visible before you've specifically checked that they're not spam? how will you ban certain commenters? Or give special rights to others?), observing visitor statistics, editing the entries, creating RSS feeds, etc... Is horribly difficult or impossible without a software customized for that. Yet, those are just a small portition of everything that is required from a modern blogging enviroment.

Now, you could just say "Why would you need a blogging platform? Why not some regular content management system (Joomla!, etc.)?" and you would be kinda correct. The distinction between a blogging platform and a content management system has been blurred. I've seen some rather large sites with high amount of visitors running on Wordpress. But generally, a CMS that has been specifically designed to be optimal for blogging is better for blogging (ease of use of the common tasks, etc.) than CMS that has been designed for large, corporate sites.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716768)

I have a very simple blog on blogspot, but I use it instead of HTML because of the built in indexing, time stamps, keywords, search. A customized turn-key solution has more bells and whistles than a made-from-scratch option would, unless I wanted to re-implement some subset of those bells and whistles from scratch.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

Hylandr (813770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716792)

Because to the rest of your peers on the internet, your blog would have the appearance of one going to the prom by herself in a home-sewn jumpsuit of the same flower print material.

It looks horrid, you can't hide it and it just generally should not be done. There are just some things that require certain finesse. Get a facebook page, and be happy.

- Dan.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717006)

Yet appearance never bothered people who made sites on GeoCities, Angelfire, FreeWebs, etc. It's all about content.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717132)

You do know those are gone now?

Appearances bothered someone.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717194)

GeoCities is gone. The others are still online.

GeoCities is not gone because appearance bothered anyone, but because many of their users migrated to the latest trends of social networking and weblogging.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (2, Insightful)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716808)

Question from non-blogger:

Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?

Maintaining a Wordpress style blog in Word or Wordperfect would be a nightmare. Sure, you could do a single page, but updating it would quickly become a nightmare. A purpose built tool like Wordpress also allows access from mobile phones. Also, do you want to allow people to post comments on your blog? Have fun getting that to work with Word. Take a peek, you'll realize that, like most things, there is more to it then there seems.
http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress [wordpress.org]
Disclaimer: I am not a Wordpress user, but I am related to one.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

Hooya (518216) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716914)

Answer from a non-blogger - so take it with a grain of salt. Don't know if wordpress or the likes actually does this but i would think it does...

Here's how it would play out:

- write the first blog with word (or what have you). all good.
- write the second blog entry. then worry about a link back to the old entry. and update the old entry with a link to the the new entry.
- write the third entry. now it's a kind of a mess to try and update all three so.. hmm.. quick scripting to look at the file structure to list and index all the entries..
- wouldn't it be nice then, to be able to just write an entry and have everything link to everything else (index or a TOC)... script some more.. ... ...
- wordpress.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717030)

That's easy. Each weblog entry would be its own separate page that links back to the index. Then you only need to update the index every time you make an entry.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

theskipper (461997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716930)

Assuming this isn't a troll, the answer is pre-coded functionality. Go to wordpress.org and do some reading or install it and play with it yourself.

The bigger issue is that word processors, especially Microsoft Word, should never be used for generating anything on the web. There's tons of unadulterated crap spewed out by Word which makes a mess of everything.

Notepad or any other editor? No problem as long as it's pure 100% USDA choice text.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716964)

Why do you need special software like WordPress? Why can't you just use standard MS Word or WordPerfect, convert it to HTML, and publish it online?

Please, please, don't do this. I've had to waste numerous hours fixing web pages that people created using Word. Half the time they don't even display correctly in Internet Explorer! The code ends up being such a mess that it's not really feasible to clean up with a text editor either, and a good bit of the time software like Dreamweaver will just choke on the page.

I fortunately now have the backing from my boss to just tell people (even faculty) "sorry it's not working, but the only solution is for you to start over" - it's just not worth wasting the time required to fix a Word-generated web page.

If you really want to use Microsoft tools, at least use Expression Web. It does generate pages that actually mostly look the way you want them to.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717284)

Because it's easier to build and maintain a blog with tools specialized for the purpose.

There's more to the project of developing and maintaining a blog than just typing in the blogger's posts. There's authenticating commenters, and accepting or rejecting their comments -- which is critical, as you've got to inhibit spam comments, and if your blog is at all controversial, you'll likely get trolls that you have to deal with. There are lots of conveniences that have been developed for blogs: creating and maintaining archives of past posts, creating searchable indexes, facilitating the posting of images and videos, and automating a unified look-and-feel for your site.

If you're skilled and experienced enough, you can create all this from scratch, with just a text editor and an ftp client. But, why re-invent the wheel? Hot-rodders start with stock cars, and Web developers can create add-on modules for WordPress or Drupal.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717504)

Wordpress and a number of other blogging software out there confirm to a number of publishing, subscription, customization, and xml feed standards that make it easier to do all those things. There was one in particular I found was deeply entrenched in many blogware offerings but its exact name escapes me at the mo.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716318)

Wordpress looks very clean on the outside, however the core code lacks quality. It's api is very easy and nice to work with, but beneath all these, global variables and functions speak for themselves, even if this is php we're talking about.

I'll submit an anecdote (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716922)

It was less than two years ago when I registered to wordpress.com. But when I tried to log on, I couldn't. It took a while for me to realize the reason: My password had < character that had been changed to the HTML entity. (IE: If my password would be "I<3Slashdot" it would have been changed to "I&lt;Slashdot") At this point WP wasn't taking its first steps or anything! So, if they still had problems with something as basic as what fields to escape (and how) when people register a new account, I'm sure that the code is rather horrible.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716464)

wordpress isn't bad from a front end point of view, but the backend API is a fucking mess.

I never thought I'd ever pine for the Joomla! API.

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (2, Interesting)

rident (1287114) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716766)

Yeah I couldn't handle either mess. I've built some of my web apps on DooPHP which I've found to be really well coded (building a blog would be a snap, in fact it's one of their demo apps) and based a couple communities on Simple Machines Forum, which is kinda messy on the backend, and another on Vanilla Forums which is actually quite nice underneath.

http://doophp.com/ [doophp.com]
http://vanillaforums.org/ [vanillaforums.org]
http://simplemachines.org/ [simplemachines.org]

Re:Gotta say, they picked a good one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716834)

Sir, and I mean no disrespect for this question, but I must ask: Are you a nigger?

The reason I ask is because you're so fucking dumb, just like a god damned nigger.

P.S. Not racist.

P.P.S. Mod note: Please do not mod down! This is not a troll or off-topic post, but a sincere question. If anything, please mod up. Thanks in advance!

Microsoft Is (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716102)

DEAD.

Good riddance.

Yours In Moscow,
K. Trout

Re:Microsoft Is (5, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716226)

DEAD.

Good riddance.

Yours In Moscow, K. Trout

Oh God! I hope not! We need Microsoft! They're the only ones that are checking the power of HP, Oracle, IBM, and most of all APPLE! MS is kind of like the United States in their power. Yeah, they fuck up quite a few things but without them, petty tyrants would have their way. Just think if Apple became the Super Power. For one, Flash would be killed .......

Die Microsoft! Die! Die! Die!

It's not as bad as I thought (2, Insightful)

jappleng (1805148) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716154)

For a minute I thought that meant all live users would have their accounts migrated over, but in reality it's just spaces users. I have yet to actually talk to someone who has a Live Space account and that's probably why Microsoft is doing the switch. That's probably good but do people still blog these days? Last I heard, millions of blogs are being abandoned because it's phasing out and takes too much time to maintain them.

Re:It's not as bad as I thought (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716312)

I think blogs had their day, but things are moving toward facebook and twitter, the microbloggng where you can reach users where they live, instead of requiring that they come to visit you.

Re:It's not as bad as I thought (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716976)

That's called RSS.

But I don't think blogs will be dead soon; plenty of interesting people have more to write about than what fits in 140 characters. Many complement both by "advertising" their blog posts on Twitter.

Personally, I find Twitter to be annoying to keep track of. Too much clutter and random talk between users about unrelated matters between the interesting links.

Re:It's not as bad as I thought (1)

sirwallyc (230274) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717370)

Blogs are not dead, thank God! I don't think I could handle having to wade through the noise that is Twitter/Facebook on a daily basis. That's what RSS feeds are for.

Twitter is blogging for people seriously affected by ADHD that can't focus long enough to write more than 140 characters...

Windows Live Spaces? (2, Funny)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716190)

I cannot even remember when this was first announced, let alone anything since. I guess Microsoft's ability to push their services ain't what it used to be...

-MT.

Re:Windows Live Spaces? (1)

hendridm (302246) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717140)

Microsoft kills products all the time (often times, I would argue, prematurely). This one doesn't surprise me either, since even Google decided there wasn't money in this (as made evident by how much Google Sites sucks).

Anyway, WordPress rocks!

BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716194)

Is' that what we have FACEBOOK for???????

Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716326)

Blog != Facebook != Twitter.

Facebook is for catching up on your personal life, things like, "Hey, want to meet for coffee" or "Here are some pictures I took at the zoo", a blog is for "Anyone want to read my 10 page rant on DRM?" or "Here are my political views", Twitter is like micro-stalking, things like "I'm buying butter and milk at the supermarket" and "I'd like Taco Bell for lunch".

Both Facebook and Blogs have their places, but they don't fulfill the same purpose.

Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? (1)

ivan_w (1115485) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716452)

Oh.. And Blog!=Facebook!=Twitter!= THE INTERNET (which is nothing but a loosely set of protocole routing rules by IANA - the self appointed Inernet Keeper, that delegated said routing to RIRs then to LIRs)..

(I don't know how this fares - probably going to get modded off-topic.. Oh well - had to get this off my chest).

--Ivan

Observation: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716542)

Blog != Facebook != Twitter. ...

Both Facebook and Blogs have their places, but they don't fulfill the same purpose.

I note that you omit Twitter in your list of things that have their places.

Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716396)

Wordpress can be also used to make websites such that you have an online page editor and optionally a blog, or a blog-like entity (for example, software releases).

Re:BLOGGING? Who the fuck BLOGS any more? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716462)

Exactly. "blog" is such a stupid word. I just call it my website, and I put things there that Facebook isn't willing to host or isn't interested in.

Don't you love binary? (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716544)

I'm assuming you were, like, using, like, sarcasm. In case you weren't:

2005: Year of the Blogger! Everyone is blogging!

2010: Facebook has taken over. Nobody is blogging!

Perhaps, just perhaps, fewer people are blogging than before, but the number of bloggers is still substantial.

Microsoft (3, Interesting)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716286)

On one hand, this is an interesting move. On the other, I am surprised that they would go with WordPress because it is a GPL product. The GPL is an anathema to Microsoft precisely because if they modify the source code, they must contribute changes back. Perhaps, it is possible to extend WordPress through closed source plugins; although even that is to navigate a minefield.

Re:Microsoft (4, Insightful)

PipsqueakOnAP133 (761720) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716428)

I'd say in this case, GPL shouldn't matter to them because they're interacting with a company that, according to wikipedia, controls over 50% of the project anyhow.

I'm not even sure Microsoft's actually doing any sort of source change or anything, which would essentially mean no license burden.

As much as people think there's some sort of conspiracy for/against GPL, I think many other things matter more. Like ease of use, ease of integration, and convenience. The biggest fear that any company has regarding GPL isn't that GPL becomes popular. It's that GPL will force them into releasing private code.

contributions are not required to go back (2, Informative)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716474)

The GPL only requires that you make available the original source, and your changes to it, to anyone who receives the executable form from you, and you must make them available without restriction as to how they are used. If you don't publish the executable, there is no requirement to publish source and changes.

Re:Microsoft (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716586)

On top of that, it's PHP-based, which is not exactly one of those shiny MS-controlled technologies.

Note that it's GPLv2... (2, Informative)

Qubit (100461) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716594)

Microsoft may not like GPLv2, but at least it's not GPLv3. There's only basic patent language in v2, and v3 really turbo-charges the language, providing much better protection from software patent lawsuits.

But in some ways it's a moot point, as Microsoft won't be hosting or distributing any of this software (AFAIK), they're just pointing some of their customers over there for service.

And hey, if it throws some extra money towards Automattic, then that's cool, too.

Re:Microsoft (2, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716610)

The GPL is an anathema to Microsoft precisely because if they modify the source code, they must contribute changes back

A common misreading of the GPL, certainly, but a misreading nonetheless.

The stock GPL requires that you provide source code to anyone who possess binaries you've produced. Obviously this doesn't apply to web applications, which is why the AGPL [wikipedia.org] exists.

WordPress is Over the GPL Hump (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716762)

At some point in a successful project, it seems as though the people using the project cross a line such that they are generally discouraged by the scale/complexity of the code to do anything other than use it as-is.

I'd say WordPress crossed that line a long time ago.

IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpress (4, Insightful)

devent (1627873) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716350)

Wow. The most profitable I.T. company, the I.T. company that suppose to be the number one software company in the world, which have monopoly on operation systems and in the office market, officially admitting that their IIS, MSSQL, .NET and ASP.NET crap can't compete with Wordpress, an Open Source CMS system, running on plain old PHP and a MySQL database.

Mustn't that be a blow to all the Microsoft's chills and so called I.T. consultants that are trying in masses to convince small business and enterprise users to buy in to the ASP.NET stuff, that is suppose to be so enterprise ready and suppose to scale so well on the Microsoft IIS server? How are they going to convince anyone if Microsoft itself says "... it can’t compete with the established blogging platforms ..." with their ASP.NET and IIS Server 7.0 (which on live.com [netcraft.com] is running)?

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716422)

Don't get too excited there, Skippy. This has more to do with entrenched popularity than technological capability.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (4, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716432)

What is good for an enterprise is not necessarily good for your average blog. Well, there you go, that was pretty easy to spin (if you insist on calling a rational statement 'spin' anyway).

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716488)

I'd call that spin... cause whatever the reason is that makes those services so bad that they can't manage a simple BLOG app, then enterprise apps are not any better off by nature.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716536)

An enterprise app would need more features than a blog, just because a free CMS can offer the basic features more simply (for the average blog user especially) than asp.net doesn't mean that the free CMS can offer advanced features as well as asp.net. Obligatory car analogy: If the only place you drive your 14 passenger van is a quarter mile to work and back (alone) then it makes sense to replace it with a Smartcar, that doesn't mean that a Smartcar is capable of doing everything a 14 passenger van is capable of doing or that a Smartcar is the best choice for everyone.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (0, Troll)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716588)

yes and I'm sure thats the reason why Microsoft couldn't compete... because millions of customers found that Microsoft's feature rich application was just too feature rich for their needs and had nothing to do with scalability or anything else. Keep that spin coming.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716682)

It wasn't popular enough to test scalability so we can't say a thing about whether scalability is the reason they killed it or not.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (0, Troll)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716784)

Not popular enough to test scalability? Are you serious? They are migrating a couple million. You can test scalability with that easily. Wow, the spin keeps coming. Does Microsoft pay you by the excuse?

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (2, Insightful)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717358)

Hotmail has over 360 million users which is quite a bit larger than the 30 million users they claim Spaces had. I don't see how scalability could've been an issue here. Now the fact that Spaces pretty much sucked to the point they're willing to take a hit on their Windows Live brand by jettisoning it is another issue entirely.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716558)

You're all making the assumption that this decision is a technical one. You could easily argue that if they were dropping their internal solution and would use a different solution but continued to host it themselves, but that is not the case. In either situation the application is so abstracted from the underlying platform that it is frankly of little relevance. This was a business decision; Microsoft is looking to stop throwing money at blogging.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (2, Funny)

Klync (152475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716546)

Ironically, I came to read the comments here while waiting for my webmail to load. By the time I finished reading these comments, the spinner on my other tab had stopped. The result?

Request Timed Out. ...
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3607; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3614

The parent is right. I try not to get involved in platform wars, but the same hardware running windows + mssql + iis + asp.net simply cannot keep up with any *nix + mysql + apache + php stack. Not to mention the security vulnerabilities. The only reason msft products are as popular as they are is because msft spent decades perfecting a business model that involved cultivating relationships with consultants and resellers who would do *whatever it takes* to convince their customer to buy a msft solution. Second biggest reason for their success was enterprise purchasing policies whereby the company would rather buy the crap they knew than take a risk on an unknown. Third was msft purchasing products that actually were well-made (and eventually turning them into pulp - even Excel is starting to go that way).

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (1)

Klync (152475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716698)

Hey Mods! I'm getting modded funny here, but I'm not kidding - I still can't check my email and this is frustrating, not funny at all. I didn't feel like gogling this for my original post, but to make this one worthwhile, I present Exhibit A: http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project.cfm?id=392 [visualcomplexity.com]

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (4, Informative)

grcumb (781340) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716622)

What is good for an enterprise is not necessarily good for your average blog. Well, there you go, that was pretty easy to spin (if you insist on calling a rational statement 'spin' anyway).

It's spin because it's plausible, but factually incorrect. From the Wordpress.com website [wordpress.com]:

There are over 27 million WordPress publishers as of September 2010: 13.9 million blogs hosted on WordPress.com plus 13.8 million active installations of the WordPress.org software....

According to Quantcast, over 260 million people worldwide visit one or more WordPress.com blogs every month, and they view over 2.1 billion pages on those blogs each month....

(Bolded for your convenience.)

A chart [google.com] showing Wordpress performance vis a vis Blogger, Movable Type and Typepad.

Smells like enterprise to me.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (4, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716512)

It simply boils down to "was LiveSpaces paying for itself?". And the answer would be no, so now MS gets to have a PR day while dumping a cost centre onto someone else. Double win for MS - doesn't say anything about IIS, Asp.net or MSSql one way or the other tho.

mod up (1)

shashark (836922) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716598)

Why is this marked troll? Its a completely valid point this post makes.

Re:mod up (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33717552)

No, it's not. IIS and ASP.Net aren't competing with WordPress. If Microsoft was moving Live Spaces from IIS/ASP.Net to Linux/PHP, then it would have a point.

Microsoft is shutting down Live Spaces because it wasn't profitable/strategic to them, not because the platform was unable to keep up.

IIS and ASP aren't in competition with WordPress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33716908)

WP is a service. IIS and ASP.Net are products.

Microsoft is smart enough to know the difference. (For once!)

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (5, Insightful)

FreelanceWizard (889712) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716954)

You're claiming that the success or failure of an application is a direct condemnation of the infrastructure stack that runs it? On that basis, I could cite any LAMP application that was ditched for a Microsoft stack application and say that Apache, PHP, and MySQL can't compete with (insert name of Microsoft stack application here) running on plain old .NET and an MSSQL database.

Don't confuse the technology platform with the application. One can build garbage -- or, in this case, an unpopular site -- on any stack. In this case, as others have aptly pointed out, Microsoft dropped Live Spaces not because it didn't work or scale, but rather because it wasn't sufficiently profitable to justify the continued expense for its maintenance.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33717380)

Or maybe Microsoft decided the resources spent building and maintaining a blogging platform would be better spent elsewhere. Lest we forget, they *did* have a viable blogging platform, one that I've even used for a while, just not a popular one.

Your interpretation (and geek.com's interpetation) is far from the only one that can be inferred from this.

Re:IIS and ASP.NET can’t compete with Wordpr (2, Insightful)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717402)

Microsoft isn't an I.T. company, they're a software company. They've branched into different spaces sometimes, and they dogfood their own products for other companies, but Microsoft also has other companies, "I.T. companies" manage their I.T. There was a recent article about Microsoft switching vendors for I.T. support and help-desk personnel.

Maybe they just didn't want to support millions (ah, who are we kidding, hundreds) of bloggers anymore and decided Wordpress was a good place to shunt them off to. Everyone wins, really.

Seems to me like... (0)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716496)

Seems to me like the lion laying down with the lamb. Though I can imagine that once the live space people's blogs have been successfully migrated, Microsoft will have no more involvement. Support will be solely WordPress' responsibility. Unless I'm wrong of course!

What a shame (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716540)

A lot of users still use msn, and as a result uses spaces for casual blogging. If Microsoft is even anything close to caring, it would have done much better for those users. Instead now they are selling these users over to another company.

Darn! I Mis-Read TFA (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716564)

I thought the article was about Microsoft moving to Wordpress. From my point of view, using Linux,Apache,PHP,mySQL, and Wordpress would do the Windowed Ones some good.

Bullet Meets Foot (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716738)

I am stunned they didn't move everyone onto a dotnetnuke service regardless of the fact it's not great. If this is a "dead weight" scenario, then I have a feeling Microsoft's on the long road to shedding customers. The R&D value of running a blogging platform as an established social media is dead too?

When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?

Seriously though, that's pretty damning they can't pick a Free project out of obscurity and come up with a vaguely similar dotnet solution.

Re:Bullet Meets Foot (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716842)

"When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?"

Hehehehe...made my whole day. Although seeing someone parrot the MS Marketing Dept so well is a bit disturbing.

Re:Bullet Meets Foot (3, Funny)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717212)

When did Microsoft stop leveraging assets to achieve strategic successes that harmonize the enterprise?

I needed a shower after reading that. I can't imagine how you will ever feel clean again.

Oh great (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 3 years ago | (#33716924)

You know they're just going to go and buy Wordpress now and integrate it into Office, don't you.

Live what? (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717150)

I must be really behind but i can honestly not recall Live Spaces. I have visited exactly 1 blog there and after reading three lines i thought it was some kind of marketing site for Microsoft like gethtefacts or something. Guess the astroturfers be moving to Wordpress soon =)

congrats to WP (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717286)

I really like WP, IMO it's actually the best CMS out there in the sense of easy to use and doesn't require you to have a hands on php developer in house or on contract to change up the layout or add in new features, unlike the more robust CMS Drupal.

Of course I say this not having played with Joomla or Modx and of course it's slightly off topic since this is about the blogging features and not the CMS features...

This Just In... (1)

radicalpi (1407259) | more than 3 years ago | (#33717362)

Microsoft announced today that it will be retiring it's Windows trademark as well as the operating system. This moves comes after MS CEOs realized that they couldn't compete with the momentum behind popular Linux distributions. Over the next few weeks MS will be migrating all of its existing users over to popular Linux distribution Fedora. When contacted about the decision, they had this to say: "We just couldn't compete with free. We tried offering an inferior paid experience, but our customers wouldn't accept that." Microsoft has gone on record saying that it will fallback to it's hugely successful business of mouse and keyboard manufacturing.
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