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Doctors Save Premature Baby Using Sandwich Bag

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the keeping-baby-fresh dept.

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Born 14 weeks early, Lexi Lacey owes her life to some MacGyver inspired doctors and a sandwich bag. Lexi was so small at birth that even the tiniest insulating jacket was too big, but she fit into a plastic sandwich bag nicely. ''The doctors told us they had never known a baby born as prematurely as Lexi survive. She was so tiny the only thing they had to keep her body temperature warm was a sandwich bag from the hospital canteen — it's incredible to think that saved her life," says her mom.

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Yay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723448)

Yay, I am an first!

Fetus in a bag (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723466)

I wonder what the survival rate will be now she is stabilized?

Re:Fetus in a bag (5, Insightful)

angiasaa (758006) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723500)

One or none?

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723532)

Clever. I mean what is the probability of survival.

Re:Fetus in a bag (4, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723648)

Uh... none. What's yours?

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723712)

Well, I would wager surviving the next 20 minutes would be 99.9 percent. If no infant had survived after being born that premature before, it stands to reason she still wont. Im just asking if a medical professional knows the answer.

Re:Fetus in a bag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723956)

There are no statistics, so no averages, no estimates, just pure guesses.

Re:Fetus in a bag (2, Funny)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724302)

I don't think your information is reliable.

Record for smallest babies to survive (2, Informative)

PackMan97 (244419) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724052)

No infant at THAT hospital has survived at that age. Plenty of kids at other hospitals have survived I believe the record for youngest is 21 weeks 6 day and the record for the smallest is 244 grams. So this girl doesn't really come close to those records. In the article the hospital says they are only equipped for deliveries of preemies 28+ weeks and usually refer to a hospital with more specialized equipment for the cases more premature than that. Reality TV star, Josie Duggar, was born at 24 weeks and is doing great (newest member of the Duggar family from "19 kids and counting" on TLC)

Re:Record for smallest babies to survive (1, Funny)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724618)

Your choice of television shows to follow forces me to ask you to never visit /. again.
Sorry.

Re:Record for smallest babies to survive (4, Funny)

dwinks616 (1536791) | more than 3 years ago | (#33725062)

19th kid? No wonder it's premature, it probably just fell out! Jeez.

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723832)

I'll try to branch off the direction this overly cynical, overly semantic person is going and say simply "it depends". I was born two months early @ 4lbs 10oz and I'm 24 now. The first paragraph of the article does state "and her parents were told she had a ten per cent chance of survival." I'd be interested in seeing how this ends up. I hope the kid makes it and lives a happy, healthy life. I'd be a little pissed if I didn't get to exist. :)

Re:Fetus in a bag (2, Informative)

Xacid (560407) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723872)

Meant to add:

"Lexi is now 11-week-olds old and weighs 5lbs 6oz. "

All things considered - as long as there are no other immediate complications this kid might make it out just fine.

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724006)

She's home now with her parents, so the doctors must think she has a pretty good chance. They don't usually let premies out of the NICU till they feel comfortable that they are no more or less likely than a normal baby to die. Baring the things that occasionally kill babies ( friend of mine's daughter got meningitis at three days old. She was perfectly healthy at birth, but almost didn't make it through her first week of life.) seems as though she'll be fine.

0% (0, Offtopic)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723556)

She will not survive. Nobody does. What counts is how long you manage to put off the dying.

Live, it is a killer.

Lucky that hospital is in England, in the US they would have their ass sued off for telling the mother it was nothing. And rightly so.

Remember US, when you complain about law suits, in the EU we have no means of putting the fear of god (or rather dollars, which doctor worship) into doctors.

Re:0% (-1, Flamebait)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723752)

Survival rate for things like this sometimes have a cutoff date of 180 days, or 24 weeks or something along those lines. At which case you can mostly assume that any rarities during birth will have had their effect and if the child was going to die because of those complications it would have happened already.

So, in your attempt to sound like a hip smug knowitall who points out something the opening poster didn't realize you came off as an idiot who tries too hard to smart. We won't even bother with your political ramblings.

Re:0% (2, Insightful)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724566)

you came off as an idiot who tries too hard to smart.

Lessons of the internet, part 1:

When insulting the intelligence of another, make sure your grammar doesn't fail at life.

Re:0% (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724026)

Doctors can still be suspended or fired for negligence in a country with a NHS like the UK.

And getting a job outside the national health system won't be easy, generally.

Re:Fetus in a bag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723558)

50/50 Alive or Dead would be my guess..?

Re:Fetus in a bag (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724012)

Fetus? No.

Technically, she’s a baby now – she was only a fetus until she hit the open air. The main difference (only difference, that I’ve ever been able to tell) is her method of breathing and feeding and that it’s now illegal to kill her.

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724030)

When my daughter was in NICU (back in 1993, she was 7 weeks preemie), there was a 3 month preemie there. He survived and is fine.

Hell, my *MOTHER* was 2.5 months preemie, and that was in 1938.

Re:Fetus in a bag (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724230)

TFA states:

Lexi is now 11-week-olds old and weighs 5lbs 6oz.

and,

Lexi was finally allowed home on September 3.

I'd say her prognosis is pretty good, considering she's now about the size, weight, and developmental stage as a newborn. The last 11 weeks were the rather critical point, I'd imagine.

Now I'm confused. (2, Funny)

Enderwiggin13 (734997) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723490)

Mom always told me not to play with plastic bags...

This is almost as impressive (1)

Macman408 (1308925) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723514)

I too used a plastic sandwich bag this week for a medical miracle; I was hiking and developed a blister on my heel, but through the use of a plastic sandwich bag as cushioning and slippery material so that my heel wouldn't rub, I was able to continue with less pain, and without worsening the blister.

I know, impressive.

Maybe this means that plastic baggies will soon be needing FDA approval, or maybe a prescription.

Re:This is almost as impressive (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723564)

Someone give this guy a medal!

Re:This is almost as impressive (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723922)

OK, OK, I am on it already.

Re:This is almost as impressive (4, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723668)

did you take the baby out of the bag first? Or did the baby make it slippery.

Re:This is almost as impressive (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724830)

You can take the baby out of the bag, but you can never take the... bag... can never... won't get fooled again!

Re:This is almost as impressive (2, Informative)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724122)

Always carry a little tiny roll of duck tape. Besides its numerous other qualities and applications a strip over your heel will effectively completely heal (no pun intended) any blistering for several days.

I sometimes even proactively duct tape the contact points if I haven't worn my hiking boots for a few months.

Lexi Lacey? (0, Troll)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723526)

Lexi Lacey?Seriously?

Aren't there laws to protect children from that?

Re:Lexi Lacey? (2, Funny)

NevarMore (248971) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723756)

Only until they turn 18. Giggity.

Re:Lexi Lacey? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724108)

Father's name is Lee Lacey.
I guess they can share monogrammed towels.

Re:Lexi Lacey? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724568)

UK readers probably jumped to their own conclusions about the social status of the family -- Miss Chelsea Rowberry, 17, Lee Lacey, 24, and Lexi Lacey.

Re:Lexi Lacey? (1)

hrvatska (790627) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724952)

In some US states Lee Lacey would be guilty of statutory rape and be facing time in jail. Even more so if Chelsea Rowberry was under 17 when she got pregnant. Several years ago a guy in the state of Georgia was sentenced to 10 years in prison for having consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl when he was 17.

Sandwich bag symbiosis. (2, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723528)

Comic book penciled by Jim Lee coming soon.

Lexi Lacey (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723546)

Lexi Lacey?!

I suppose that's one more porn star we'll have in 18 year's time.

Pffft, it's just a mass of cells ... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723560)

Hmmm, a second trimester baby living(so far). Now why are the pro-choice folks so adamant about NOT outlawing 3rd trimester abortions*?

*Special cases excluded of course.

Re:Pffft, it's just a mass of cells ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723696)

Mostly because you should've been aborted in the third trimester, or fourth.

Cue the jokes (3, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723568)

of what your Mom accidentally packed you for lunch.

Re:Cue the jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724638)

And put up the "don't try this at home" signs.

Stupid doctors (2, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723618)

Everyone knows babies will keep better in tupperware

Re:Stupid doctors (1)

udoschuermann (158146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724456)

Sings, "I bagged the baby / 'cause I didn't have no tupperware" (to the tune of I Shot the Sherriff)

OMG (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723626)

Her parents will tell her "You were almost a ham sandwich".

Parents Must Have Been Happy (5, Funny)

FrankDrebin (238464) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723628)

Or should I say Glad?

how long until (1, Funny)

Just_Say_Duhhh (1318603) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723638)

Some kid, hearing his slashdot-reading parents discuss this, decides to "play doctor" and stuffs his little brother into a trash bag? The industry will have to react by poking air-holes in all plastic bags. Wait, they do that already! Every new zip-top sandwich bag I fill with liquid seems to come pre-perforated.

14 weeks seem way too much.. (1)

Polizei (1782856) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723716)

I don't know if she survives, yet I was born ~25 days prematurely.
It's still very impressive, though.

Re:14 weeks seem way too much.. (1)

Robin47 (1379745) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723890)

My son was born 16 weeks prematurely 20 years ago. So far so good. His head is now larger than a walnut which was about the size it was at the time.

I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (5, Funny)

Prostate of Grace (1885118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723728)

The $.05 sandwich bag was probably billed at $50+

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724616)

$20,000

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (1)

fireylord (1074571) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724824)

well those that rtfa would know that this happened in the UK, where we have a medical system that doesn't take the proverbial

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (1, Insightful)

choongiri (840652) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724698)

It was in the UK. The fully itemised bill looks like this:

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                                        Total: £0.00

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724854)

... which works out very well considering something like 50% of your income goes towards taxes? Hookers, drugs, and liquor should be on the gov't tab too.

    Or just finish it off, and let the gov't take 100% of your income, and let them decide where you live, what you own, and where you work.

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (2, Informative)

choongiri (840652) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724982)

OK, I bite.

I'm not talking about the UK in particular here, but compare quality of life indexes to taxation rates sometime, e.g. some of the Scandinavian countries. High taxes does not correlate with unhappy people. Great health care, dental, good working conditions, sports facilities, public services, a 35 hr work week, lots of vacation - now those things correlate with happy people.

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (2, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#33725072)

High taxes does not correlate with unhappy people.

Look, if it's still that way in CivV, then it's true.

Re:I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (2, Insightful)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724820)

No, more like:

Sandwich bag: $0.15
Bag overhead fee: $3.80 (the rest of the box)
Emergency courier fee: $15,000 (guy running a block to the 7-11)

How did they use it? (1)

Sedated2000 (1716470) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723814)

Did they poke holes for her to breathe, or did they cut little head holes so she could wear it like a tiny parka?

Re:How did they use it? (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723912)

Likely they just placed the baby in the bag and only zipped the top partway closed. Easier than cutting holes.

Re:How did they use it? (1)

snsh (968808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724394)

Yellow and blue make green.

Re:How did they use it? (1)

geoffball (1195685) | more than 3 years ago | (#33725044)

She was on a ventilator, so it really didn't matter. There did have to be an opening to get the tube through.

Had one too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33723868)

I was born roughly three months early. The doctors made a little jacket for me out of a sandwich bag as well. I still have it.

Just wait... (2, Insightful)

lancelotlink (958750) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723884)

Until you have a baby. None of these kind of comments will be funny anymore. Seriously.

Re:Just wait... (1)

rabidjoe (1854904) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724192)

I've got 3 children in full voice this evening, do those baggies come in sizes of 3 foot upwards?

Re:Just wait... (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724434)

For 3 feet I recommend the white "kitchen" bags. For teenagers you may need to upgrade to the black ones. I've got a terrible two year old, I'm sizing him for a large Target shopping bag.

Re:Just wait... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724212)

It's true: people with kids aren't fun to be around.

Re:Just wait... (1)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724228)

Seconded. Strongly seconded.

Re:Just wait... (2, Funny)

Scyth3 (988321) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724248)

Until you have a baby. None of these kind of comments will be funny anymore. Seriously.

Let me guess, you were a bag baby....?

Re:Just wait... (1)

peter_gzowski (465076) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724296)

I've had 2 babies, and I've had a couple chuckles so far in this thread. Granted, I browse at 3, but it's been pretty mild stuff about 10 comments in.

Re:Just wait... (3, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724368)

You're right. Parents lose their sense of humor awfully quick. Just one more reason not to be a parent.

Re:Just wait... (1)

waterford0069 (580760) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724624)

Or lost one, premature or otherwise.

I'm so please for the little girl, and yet sad - because she is probably in for a much tougher life than most of her peers.

Re:Just wait... (2, Interesting)

jweller (926629) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724664)

My twin girls were born at 31 weeks and required a stay in NICU. I'm laughing. You should try it, you'll live longer.

Re:Just wait... (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724708)

Ah, I see, so once you're a parent, your sense of humour is carved out of your skull? You're suddenly no longer able to see the humour in a situation that is both tragic and, ultimately, joyful?

Wow... you're really marketing parenthood well, there, buddy.

Re:Just wait... (1)

tool462 (677306) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724726)

I have a kid. The jokes are still funny. I'm probably a lot more happy for that family than I would have been before I had a child, since I can identify with the stress and joy childbirth brings, but the jokes are still funny.

I heard that the generic store-brand baggies didn't work. They had to use Glad bags with the yellow-and-blue-makes green seal (patented). It was guaranteed to lock in the freshness.

Another true baby plastic bag story (2, Funny)

ilo.v (1445373) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723974)

True story that I witnessed myself: When a woman is about to deliver vaginally, there is a drape under her with plastic bags to collect the amniotic fluid and keep it from splashing all over the MD/midwife's legs and feet as they sit/stand there to help the baby out. In this case, the obstetrician dropped the baby as she came out (they are very slippery). By shear luck, the baby fell into the plastic bag instead of falling all the way to the floor. We all went "whew!" as the Daddy said "so THATS what that plastic bag is for!" Needless to say, we didn't correct him.

Hold the pickles! (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723982)

(Do I really need to put something in here to be more funny? I thought the title was good enough!)

more premature babies have survived (1)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 3 years ago | (#33723998)

The world record for preemies is about 18 weeks [wikipedia.org] . My girlfriend was about two months premature, and her younger sister was about 16 weeks premature -- and is doing surprisingly well, after a whole lot of surgery in her first six months. She had her twenty-first birthday last month and we were joking that she was actually only 20 1/2. But my girlfriend said that when her sister was born, she easily fit in a person's hand, and was covered in dark brown hair all over her body, so for years they called her 'mouse' or 'rat'.

Re:more premature babies have survived (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724466)

It really makes you wonder what saving all these preemies is doing to the human gene pool. Will we someday be unable to breed without the help of medical technology?

Re:more premature babies have survived (4, Informative)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724744)

Premature birth is not a genetic condition so thers is no eugenics risk to saving premature babies:
  http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1157.asp#head2 [marchofdimes.com]
There is only some additional costs at time of birth and risk of some health problems later in life that are also non-genetic.

Watch the bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724046)

Look for the itemized line item:

    Fetus protection jacket: $643.72

Lucky she was past 24 weeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724096)

I guess this makes up for all the babies they let die for being born before the 24 week mark.

Itemized bill will still be the same... (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724116)

And just as confusing...

Infant insulating jacket. $247.58 billed
Insurance adjustment: $198.42.
Amount covered 49.16.
Deductible $25.
Insurance pays $24.16.

Please pay $25.00

Is the Story Real? (1, Interesting)

bmajik (96670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724196)

Or is this a reflection on healthcare differences in the UK vs the USA?

I had _twins_ born at 26 weeks gestation in April. THe claim that the UK doctors had never seen a baby born this early could only be true if one of the following were also true

- it was a very small hospital and they didn't have much prematurity experience
- the stated age is incorrect. when you use relative gestational ages (i.e. 14 weeks early), people disagree on what the "end goal" is.. is it 40 weeks? 38 weeks? 37 weeks? SInce people count weeks from different starting points (start of menstrual cycle, post fertilization, etc), the total number of gestational weeks can be thought of differently. So if the age was "37 weeks minus 14 weeks, i.e. 23 weeks" then that is still an EARLY baby, but not the earliest recorded surviving baby (that honor is currently 21 weeks)
- the quality of NICU care in the UK is so poor that they really don't see surviving babies this early

My wife's water broke at 24 weeks; the doctor told us at that time that if the kids were to be born immediately they'd have about a 20% chance of living and not having long term disabilities.

They were able to prevent labor for about 2 weeks, such that my children were born at 26 weeks, weighing right around 2 lbs each (2x the weight of the baby in the article.. who is statistically undersized for 26 weeks gestation)

I wonder if this is a reflection on differing medical care in various countries. The oft-cited report about infant mortality in the US leaves out some important factors -- namely that socio-economic diversity in the US, and racial heterogenoy correlate with and explain some of our increased infant mortality. But furthermore, that nearly 1 out of 8 babies in the US are born prematurely, wich is MUCH higher than developed european nations.

Finally, we measure mortality much differently here than do most other places. If the baby in this story had died, it would have counted as mortality here, but would not have counted as infant mortality in many developed nations.

Aggregately, our different demographics and our higher incidence of prematurity, combined with our more broad definition of mortality skew the infant mortality higher than some nations we rank against.

Yet the most interesting fact is that premature babies do better in the USA than anywhere else (with perhaps 1-2 scandavian countries ranking marginally better).

IOW, we have lots of premature babies, and they have a beter shot of surviving here than they do anywhere else.

I happen to live in a smallish city -- around 100k people, and we have two big hospitals, one of which has a helicopter.

Yet even in this small town in a remote part of the country, my twins, born at 26 weeks (allegedly the same age as the baby in this story) lived and came home after 100 days of NICU stay.

Incidentally, there was no need to use sandwhich bags to keep my kids alive.

A lot of people have a lot of bad things to say about the US medical system. What I know is that 30 years ago, my children would have died, but in 2010, even in remote North Dakota, they lived. And statistically, they are living more and more often here.

Is this really what parents in the UK should expect if they go into pre-term labor? And if so, is that the kind of medical service we want here in the USA? With sandwhich bags?

You might want it. However, I'm glad my wife went into early labor in the US.

Re:Is the Story Real? (0, Troll)

MWoody (222806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724334)

List of Infant Mortality Rates [wikipedia.org]

United States: 6.3 deaths per 100,000 live births

United Kingdom: 4.8 deaths per 100,000 live births

Oh I'm sorry, do the facts get in the way of your opinion? How rude of me.

Re:Is the Story Real? (1, Insightful)

bmajik (96670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724464)

Your reading comprehension is an abysmal joke.

I concede that the aggregate IMR in the US is surprisingly high, and then i discuss why that is (Based on the findings in the oft-cited research). I further explain that for premature babies, the US IMR is one of the best in the world.

I lay all of this out in my post.

I am very worried that you feel comfortable arguing with people based on pushing aggregate statistics from other sources when you have not displayed the ability to comprehend what you have read.

Re:Is the Story Real? (1)

fiddley (834032) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724904)

Agreed, the UK's IMR is more reflective of their society as a whole because the UK is full of middle class wealthy people walking around in bowler hats. What's more, they only have a tiny immigrant population, of which 98% are billionaire refugees.

Re:Is the Story Real? (1)

bmajik (96670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33725090)

I appreciate your use of sarcasm to give me a good skewering, but correct me if I am wrong, but the UK isn't highly segmented by race into socio-economic strata, at least not to the same extent the USA is.

here are some links you might find interesting
http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2008/r081015.htm?s_cid=mediarel_r081015 [cdc.gov]
http://www.birthactivist.com/2009/11/cdc-releases-new-report-comparing-us-and-european-infant-mortality-rates/ [birthactivist.com]

(you'll note, btw, that premature infant mortality is lower in the US than the UK for all gestational age ranges up to 37 weeks)

Re:Is the Story Real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724882)

"Yet the most interesting fact is that premature babies do better in the USA than anywhere else (with perhaps 1-2 scandavian countries ranking marginally better)."
"Is this really what parents in the UK should expect if they go into pre-term labor? And if so, is that the kind of medical service we want here in the USA? With sandwhich bags?"

Regardless of the quality of healthcare in the UK, you just sort of killed off your own point seeing as those 1-2 scandinavian countries ALSO have universal healthcare.

Re:Is the Story Real? (4, Interesting)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724900)

Perhaps you should read the article: "Worcestershire Royal Hospital only has the facilities to care for premature babies born from 28 weeks onwards and doctors wanted to transfer her to a specialist unit at Birmingham's Heartlands Hospital but there wasn't time."

If more American hospitals are equipped to deal with babies born earlier than this that could explain a difference in survival rates, but I don't know if that's the case.

Note that Sweden and Germany count the birth rate in the same way as the USA, but do better. At the end of this article [webmd.com] are some survival results for full-term births. On Wikipedia there's the 5-year survival rate.

The oft-cited report about infant mortality in the US leaves out some important factors -- namely that socio-economic diversity in the US, and racial heterogenoy correlate with and explain some of our increased infant mortality.

You could say the same about Britain. (From the article, we know this is a teenage (17) mother with an older (24) father, they aren't married, and they all have stereotypical working-class names.)

Finally, we measure mortality much differently here than do most other places.

Yet your own government (see here) [wikipedia.org] "concluded, however, that the differences in reporting are unlikely to be the primary explanation for the United States’ relatively low international ranking."

Re:Is the Story Real? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724902)

You've got to ask yourself, when you do a cost/benefit analysis is spending tons of money keeping preemies alive really worth it? There's a point at which it's not cost effective to save them, and the right thing for the parents to do is try again next year, or choose adoption. While a personal tragedy, miscarriage isn't really a problem society needs to be spending lots of money on. Money spent on saving preemies could be better spent saving older children who have unique personalities and who society has already invested a lot in raising. Infants are fungible. If the repair cost is more than the replacement cost, it just doesn't make sense to care for them.

You might think this a callous viewpoint. But imagine if your daughters had died. It would be traumatic, but after you work through it you can try again. That child would be just as precious and loved as the children you have.

Either way you do it, you are sacrificing the existence of a precious child. Why not go the way that costs less?

Re:Is the Story Real? (1)

bmajik (96670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33725016)

You've got to ask yourself, when you do a cost/benefit analysis is spending tons of money keeping preemies alive really worth it? There's a point at which it's not cost effective to save them

Well, as long as I am paying the costs, I'd prefer to make that decision.

I don't authorize you to decide for me, and I don't ask you to bear the costs.

The main reason that I reject any government intrusion into my medical care is precisely this point of view. When society pays, society decides what to pay for. That is fair and reasonable, but it's not what I want.

Tempting Bag (1)

Tyler Durden (136036) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724310)

A life-saving technique, or a handy container for a delicious baby sandwich? Hmmmmmmmmm...

So sometimes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724362)

...it really is ok to put a plastic bag over your head.

BEHOLD (1)

Iburnaga (1089755) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724390)

SCIENCE. Now wait for people to come out of the woodwork claiming that the sandvich bag was placed there by god etc etc.

Human brain activity fetus (1, Insightful)

schwit1 (797399) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724402)

If human brain activity exists then I don't see how the child can be called a fetus.

At what point in development does human brain activity typically begin?

I had a baby sandwich once (1)

JackSpratts (660957) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724558)

Too bony.

Added Bonus (1)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724594)

Then there's the added bonus that she's also protected from freezer burn.

Mmmm (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724652)

Sandwich

That's nothing.. (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724724)

Babies in sandwich bags only sound impressive until you consider that there was an old lady who lived in a shoe.

Wait till Ziploc gets sued. (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724804)

The baby is so small, they are able to keep it alive technically. But it is likely to have a malformed or underdeveloped brain and deficient organ development. If it survives to be a vegetable some shyster will convince the parents to sue the maker of the plastic bag.

So is this girl considered an actual human being? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33724896)

Good thing we don't kill children this young the the womb...oh wait.

Will they bill $100 for the bag? (0, Redundant)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33724968)

Will they bill $100 for the bag?

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