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RIM Doesn't Want 200 Fart Apps

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the do-not-want dept.

Communications 244

andylim writes "Just when you thought it was safe to dev a fart app for a BlackBerry, RIM's VP of platform product management, Alan Panezic, is making it clear that that's not want RIM is looking for. 'We don't need 200 fart apps in App World. Those are apps you'll use three or four times then never open again. You're not looking at ads, clicking on ads or buying premium upgrades, and the app isn't adding any value to your device.' Turns out RIM wants 'SuperApps', ones that keep you coming back for more because they add something to your life — be it ongoing entertainment value or doing something for you. Most importantly for developers, these are the apps that will garner the most revenue; whether it comes from premium upgrades, in-app advertising, or additional-cost content."

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244 comments

All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739374)


The last time I looked at it with any interest, Java was used to write apps for the Blackberry. The other day they opened it up to include HTML5 and JavaScript. That's not so great, it sounds like those (mostly lame) WebApps that are great for Sudoko but not 3D Gaming.

On iOS most people compile C or Objective-C and have a kick-ass IDE to work with: Xcode.

Sorry, RIM, I just can't see the appeal to write something in a dying language for a mouldering platform.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1, Flamebait)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739394)

Wait... you actually LIKE Xcode?

So far I've never met anyone who didn't have the urge to jump off a building after being forced to use it.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739452)

Wait... you actually LIKE Xcode?

So far I've never met anyone who didn't have the urge to jump off a building after being forced to use it.

I actually happen to also like XCode. You don't happen to work at a psychiatric hospital with a large number of patients on suicide watch, would you? If so then I think there could be other explanations for your observation than XCode.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (3, Insightful)

chargersfan420 (1487195) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739852)

Notice how the only people advocating Xcode are anonymous cowards?

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740128)

Xcode 4 is a fairly decent improvement (unless you don't like one window for everything, integrated Interface Builder... although you can still have multiple windows). I swear, though, every upgrade makes the documentation harder and harder to use, though.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1)

grub (11606) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739544)


I really like Xcode.

If you know people who'd rather jump off a building than use it, maybe they could use Java for the Blackberry. :)

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739702)

I think that is the best description for Xcode I've heard yet. I certainly agree.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739746)

I may have only used the last version that ran on PowerPC (which makes it of no relevance to this topic, as we people with working PPC laptops don't get to write for iPhones), but I like XCode. It includes make and gcc, what more can you ask for?

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739844)

Who was forced to use Xcode? It uses the same build environment found on most modern UNIX systems, so you can use any editor you want, and you can use any build process you want, including the command line.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739966)

Who was forced to use Xcode?

iOS developers, before the recent change in the TOS.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (2, Funny)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740072)

You have to use their linker, there is no other choice. The linker alone will give you the run-around if you don't do it their way.

Re:All we need is Netcraft confirmation (1)

retroStick (1040570) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740114)

I'm writing this from a crater in the ground below.

I've got 99 fart apps... (3, Funny)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739414)

...but a RIM ain't one.

Unfortunately for RIM... (3, Insightful)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739416)

...many of its customers actually want fart apps, because some people think they're entertaining.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739476)

..many of its customers actually want fart apps

They'll just have to make do with RIMjobs instead...

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739496)

...many of its customers actually want fart apps, because some people think they're entertaining.

There are fart apps on appworld I used to have one.....but lets be realistic here. Does Android marketplace really need 100 fart apps? Or can 4 get the job done. This is increasingly a problem I'm seeing. Theres waaaay too many copycat applications that are absolutely useless and it's making it harder and harder to find anything decent. I've really given up lately on installing any apps on my EVO and will be jumping back to BlackBerry next month with this being one of the reasons.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739718)

Does Android marketplace really need 100 fart apps? Or can 4 get the job done.

Does ANYBODY need a fart app? C'mon.

Theres waaaay too many copycat applications that are absolutely useless and it's making it harder and harder to find anything decent.

You know... back in the 80s and 90s, Windows folks used a "look at the choices!" argument as a reason to go Windows instead of Mac or *nix. But copycat apps != better choices.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739822)

Does ANYBODY need a fart app? C'mon.

Don't try the classic slashdot "noone NEEDS blah" the meaning of need had no bearing in my response.

You know... back in the 80s and 90s, Windows folks used a "look at the choices!" argument as a reason to go Windows instead of Mac or *nix. But copycat apps != better choices.

Ridiculous analogy. Give me 1 example of having 100 options for a useless application, that made people more apt to go with windows back then. Stay on point you're the one that said people wanted them. So why should they need 20 versions of the exact same thing multiplied by 5 with minor variations.

Maybe you should check all my speling and gramer now and try to make a point.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739934)

No. It's just an understanding that 100,000 apps really isn't all that interesting.

It doesn't matter how high your stack of floppies is Charlie. What counts is quality.

Odd that the likes of Apple would lose sight of that.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (2, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739888)

Certainly some people are incapable of farting, thus it is probably an ADA requirement that this handicap be properly addressed?

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739854)

A little of my dies inside by saying this, but it seems like allowing for more choice (even among fart apps) is a good thing. Does the app store not allow people to sort by reviews/downloads/etc, to weed out the less useful (ouch, more dying inside) apps?

Time to go register bestfartapp.com!

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (3, Informative)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739900)

I've had an EVO for about three months. I'm ready to throw in the towel and go back to my blackberry, but I'm stuck in a contract for two years so I'll ride it out. Email, instant messaging (Yahoo/Google/AIM), and light duty web browsing are all I do, and the blackberry was perfect for that, not to mention 3x the battery life of the EVO and a much more usable keyboard, all in a smaller package that's sure to take more abuse.

Don't get me wrong, I like the EVO and I sort of knew what I was getting myself into, but I agree with you about the redundant apps and overall lack of quality with most of the offerings in the marketplace.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (5, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739512)

RIMs real customers are BES using corporate customers. They want quality apps that can be sold with volume licensing. I suspect the people using BIS really aren't their real customers and RIM goes out of their way to discourage the whole "ZOMG MY PHONE IS FUN!!" vibe that defines the non-enterprise market, which is probably a good thing. They're not going to beat Apple and Google at their own game, but certainly they can keep enterprise going and continue to be the "serious" phone for business. If anything, they're more worried about Microsoft than Apple or Google.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (5, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739622)

I really have to agree with this. My Dad got switched to an iPhone as a cost saving measure for this business use. Bottom line, He hates it. It's much easier to type out an email on the Blackberry, as well as do a lot of other work related functions. The battery on the iPhone doesn't even last a whole day. The Blackberry can last quite a bit longer. The iPhone is good for teenagers who want to have fun. The Blackberry is meant for people who have work to do, and want it done quickly, and well.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (4, Interesting)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739690)

For what it's worth... I use the iPhone for business. Battery lasts two days, easily. I also have some personal apps on it, but mainly I use it for work-related e-mail.

I had a BBerry before that and hated it.

But that's me. I'm glad there are choices.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (4, Insightful)

HateBreeder (656491) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740122)

Your battery lasts for 2 days? Do you mean the car battery with the in-vehicle charger?

Under normal use I have to recharge my phone every night.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (4, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739698)

I use an iPhone 4 at work. Today I don't have a recharging cable, have sent about 50 emails and played alot of Angry Birds (at a conference so not *really* working). Battery is at 68% after 5 hours and 20 minutes of use.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739976)

A lot of people switching from RIM seem to dislike iPhone. However, the details are subjective. Many MORE people prefer switching to iPhone, then people that are interested in switching OFF an iPhone. The fastest txters in the world are iPhone users. I can type messages to people on my iPhone better and more coherent then using XP/Outlook. Actually, people usally think my Outlook messages are on a smart phone and vice-versa.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739660)

But the thing is, there are a -ton- of people who have BlackBerries who simply wanted a cheap phone or liked the form factor. If RIM alienates the people who might otherwise buy their products, they have a losing situation. Its silly to run a business with a mentality that out of 100% of your customers, if you alienate 25% of them, it is a good thing. If RIM's real customers were simply just corporate drones, then why would they market them to individuals through advertising? Until Android, the real strength of BlackBerries were that they were cheap, reliable and standardized.

If RIM only wants to appeal to the corporate drones, they will lose marketshare quickly once employees start complaining about having to use a BlackBerry rather than "that cool new -insert newest Android device here-".

Other than appealing to corporate drones, RIM -has- no strength. While their browsers have improved, they offer no strength in web browsing to Android or iOS, while they have a touch screen phone, its OS isn't very intuitive when compared to Android/iOS which were created for touch screens, just about any smartphone now has e-mail, etc.

If RIM doesn't restrict app sales, they stand to gain because people forced to use a BlackBerry have access to games and "fun" apps on their phones like iOS/Android users have, and also the boring corporate stuff. However, if they alienate their users, they have nothing to gain.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739666)

Verizon did a lot to market rim's devices to everyone - especially the people who like to send text messages constantly.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739732)

RIMs real customers are BES using corporate customers.

Yeap! RIM doesn't want free apps cutting into it's lucrative Enterprise Fart Server.

BB is just not for business people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739738)

What many people don't realize is that BIS users out number BES users by almost 2 to 1. And BIS user will continue to out pacing BES users for coming year. Much of revenues from device sales are related to BIS user and that is much more than device sales AND services from BES.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (2, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739780)

I suspect the people using BIS really aren't their real customers and RIM goes out of their way to discourage the whole "ZOMG MY PHONE IS FUN!!" vibe that defines the non-enterprise market, which is probably a good thing.

Have you seen the commericals for the Torch [youtube.com] ?

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739796)

RIM's real customers are corporations, NOT device carriers. Corporations do not want farting devices.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739840)

RIM goes out of their way to discourage the whole "ZOMG MY PHONE IS FUN!!" vibe that defines the non-enterprise market

http://na.blackberry.com/devices/blackberrytorch/ [blackberry.com]

Tag line.. "Act on Inspiration"
Um... I guess that enterprisey right?

Top billing: maximized multimedia - pinch & zoom, enhanced music player
for the enterprise user who needs to zoom in on his album artwork?

Second billng: 5 megapixel camera
for the enterprise user who needs to capture those precious spontaneous moments?

Third billing: Integrated social feeds (facebook leads the list)
For the enterprise user who... I give up. ... lets try the next one one

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/devices/blackberrypearl3G/
Tagline - "Carry your friends in your pocket"

Yeah... we're done here.

For what its worth I agree blackberry is still a top contender in the enterprise space and has a lot of features aimed specifically at their needs. But I think you are going too far trying to claim they "go out of their way to discourage" the whole fun side of things.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

jasen666 (88727) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739902)

I also don't think the majority of their customers want apps that are going to keep costing us money for new content or forcing ads in our faces.
If I start getting popup ads on my Blackberry, I'll drop it in the toilet.

Current Customer Mix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739906)

The current customer mix is 80% BIS, 20% BES; got this at BBDevCon this week.

Of the 20% who use BES, the real power users are the ones who use MDS for client-side access to inside-the-firewall corporate applications. Nobody talks about MDS. BES is only part of the equation. MDS is the killer app that locks in high-dollar customers into contracts they will never break. VPN software on Android or iPhone can't hold a candle to MDS.

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739858)

I want fart apps....

Re:Unfortunately for RIM... (1)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740064)

Alan Panezic, is making it clear that that's not want RIM is looking for.

Want the fuck does that mean?

Exploding Heads (1)

watermark (913726) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739432)

"... is making it clear that that's not want RIM is looking for." *Head Explodes*

Re:Exploding Heads (0)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739508)

Just as long as your butt does not explode.

(I feel like I went back to middle school...)

No Worries! (1)

JackAxe (689361) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739456)

Apple already hired "Phillip Shoemaker," the guy that guy that makes fart apps as their "Director of Applications Technology." So he's busy doing the Apple thing and won't have time to make fart and piss apps for RIM.

Re:No Worries! (4, Funny)

nine-times (778537) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739546)

So he's busy doing the Apple thing and won't have time to make fart and piss apps for RIM.

Too bad. If he'd been hired by RIM instead, we'd have lots of jokes about how the fart-app guy got a RIM job.

Re:No Worries! (1)

bigrockpeltr (1752472) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739712)

So he's busy doing the Apple thing and won't have time to make fart and piss apps for RIM.

Too bad. If he'd been hired by RIM instead, we'd have lots of jokes about how the fart-app guy got a seat on RIM

FTFY. *fluuusshhhhh*

Free for all, or app market? (4, Interesting)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739464)

I agree that tons of cheaply made useless apps only lessen the value of a platforms app market, but really what you end up with is Apple's subjective selection process. I guess ideally one could have a selective app section walled off for those who want a more professional user experience, outside of which would be your 'unapproved' fart apps etc. Of course they would have to add some value to the creators for placing them inside the wall, but thats up to RIM to decide what it would like to offer I guess.

Re:Free for all, or app market? (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739582)

I agree that tons of cheaply made useless apps only lessen the value of a platforms app market, but really what you end up with is Apple's subjective selection process. I guess ideally one could have a selective app section walled off for those who want a more professional user experience, outside of which would be your 'unapproved' fart apps etc. Of course they would have to add some value to the creators for placing them inside the wall, but thats up to RIM to decide what it would like to offer I guess.

I disagree that tons of cheaply made apps diminishes value. Having *only* those cheapos would decrease value, but as long as you have a robust market with useful apps, what the rest of the store is made of should be irrelevant.

I would say that a truly 'open' app store is more of a selling point than one that filters things arbitrarily. As you said, having a 'approved' section and then the wild west would be a reasonable compromise.

Saying "We don't want that" is trying to tell 'me' what I do and do not want.

Re:Free for all, or app market? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739874)

I like the idea of a bifurcated app store where on one hand, you have approved apps that have been vetted somehow (some scanner for API calls, etc.), then a free for all store with an app removal mechanism.

However, the biggest problem is Joe Sixpack. One reason why Microsoft and Apple take the walled garden approach is because of Joe and the dancing bunny security problem. Phone OS makers fear Joe downloading something from the app store that is very dodgy, it doing something bad on his device, then he gets his friend Jack Reporter to do a local scoop on how this phone maker has no security.

How does this get solved? There needs to be a technical obstacle high enough to keep Joe from hopping out of the walled garden to be eaten by a grue, but for people who know what they are doing, the obstacle would be nothing. Perhaps the process of rooting a Nexus 1 with the oem unlock command, or copying a file via adb push would be sufficient to keep Joe in the padded cell. Of course, a warning that the warranty would be null and void doesn't hurt.

Re:Free for all, or app market? (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739998)

> One reason why Microsoft and Apple take the walled garden approach is because of Joe and the dancing bunny security problem.

This is utter nonsense as demonstrated by the Mac.

Microsoft and Apple take the walled garden approach because they like monopolies and control.

Re:Free for all, or app market? (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740088)

The problem is that outside-the-wall apps can cause security and privacy concerns. If a fart app steals an employee's emails, his company will blame RIM first and him second. Especially when Apple, a viable competitor in many regards, can guarantee that something like that will not happen on their phones.

As much as limiting a phone's recreational functionality sucks for the user, companies see it as a service.

Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739486)

My fart app has 500 different sounds so they keep coming back for more.

not adding any value to your device... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739514)

...for whom? He seems to care about everyone except the owner of the device.

Breaking news! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739526)

This just in - RIM's VP of platform product management, Alan Panezic, wants RIM to have it's cake and eat it too. "Yes, we'd like to have nothing but amazingly popular, 100% killer apps right out the gate. This is brilliant! Why hasn't anyone else thought of this before?"

Farts aside... (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739534)

where the hell is my boobs app?

Priorities? (3, Funny)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739536)

You're not looking at ads, clicking on ads or buying premium upgrades, and the app isn't adding any value to your device.'

I hope he didn't list those problems in *decending* order of importance...

What is a fart app (1)

microbee (682094) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739540)

I mean I can imagine, but is it really as dumb as it sounds?

Re:What is a fart app (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739918)

To the contrary, the fart apps sound SO lifelike that a real fart delivered through the shitty bandwidth of the "voice application" sounds awful in comparison. RIM has to ban them to keep people from wondering why they pay so much for so little quality in the base application; the frickin' phone. Same with the iPhone; the voice quality is in third behind the data consuming and screen effects. So much for "SmartPhones."

Re:What is a fart app (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33740090)

Eat a bag of blackberries and you'll get the general idea.

Given iPhone Apps usually get used once... (4, Interesting)

humphrm (18130) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739542)

'We don't need 200 fart apps in App World. Those are apps you'll use three or four times then never open again.

Considering that only 20% of iPhone App installs [itworld.com] get used more than once, I'd say that the BlackBerry fart apps are doing pretty well, in comparison.

What a Jackass (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739552)

Alan Panezic sez: "We don't need 200 fart apps in App World. Those are apps you'll use three or four times then never open again."

The very fact that your developers want to write them and your customers want to download them means nothing to you?

Everyone knows that if a PDA can't fart, it can't do shit.

Re:What a Jackass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739644)

But are people downloading them? There are so many flashlight and fart apps, I can't imagine they're all popular

So what their saying is... (4, Funny)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739562)

Farting isn't a good way to get a RIM job?

Re:So what their saying is... (1)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739584)

s/their/they're

Must... proofread... before... posting...

Re:So what their saying is... (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739648)

Low brow though it may be, that was hilarious. Alas and alack I have no mod points at present.

Re:So what their saying is... (1)

cormandy (513901) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739798)

Low brow, agreed. Very clever too. Cheers for the laugh! And no, I too do not require 200 fart apps, just one real good one. Counting on Microsoft to pull through for me!

Shouldn't RIM be saying (1)

joeflies (529536) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739566)

that they want users to use any app they want and start building some momentum in their app store?

For a smart phone platform as popular as RIM, you'd think that there'd be more people using 3rd party apps, yet outside of facebook client and google maps, I rarely see people using applications that didn't come on the phone in the first place.

Seems like BlackBerry wants to determine what their customers want even before a market's developed around it, and without that market, the developers won't come build the SuperApps that they want.

Re:Shouldn't RIM be saying (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739786)

The BlackBerry is a pain to develop for, especially compared to Android where you can essentially drag and drop your way to a functional program.

I really don't see this BlackBerry tablet going anywhere, there are two types of BlackBerry users, there are the users who use a BlackBerry because they either like the price (a BlackBerry is pretty much the cheapest smartphone on contract, especially before Android came out) or like the form factor (which can be imitated) and then there are the corporate people who like it because their corporation requires them to use it for their job.

I don't know anyone who actually -likes- the BlackBerry OS or the lack of apps. But it seems like RIM is alienating both people with the tablet. It is going to be a very-restricted "app store" which will mean nothing interesting is in it for the first crowd and is rather redundant for the second crowd (especially if you already have support contracts for something like a laptop).

Does anyone -want- a BlackBerry tablet with a more restricted amount of apps than even the iPad? If the thing was cheap, like $200 or less, yeah, people would want it. But if its more expensive than $300, I can get a laptop for that price and barring any requirements that you use a touch screen, I can run everything off of a cheap notebook that I could on a tablet, and could actually get work done without buying expensive, specialized accessories and extra software.

Re:Shouldn't RIM be saying (1)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740098)

I like Blackberry OS. It's fast, it's clean, it does what I need it to do with no hassle. It's even better since I moved off the trackball to the trackpad - very intuitive. The only exception was a regression in adding a contact from a received text message that was a regression somewhere around 5.0.600, so I could really either go back and fix it, or ignore it but warn my friends about it when they ask how I like my device... which is what I do.

Good decision by RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739576)

199 fart apps shouls be plenty

They need a Job site searching app (2, Funny)

mandark1967 (630856) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739602)

that links to the various job hunting sites.

They could call it...ohhh...I dunno...something like "Rim Jobs"

Think about it, you can search hotjobs and save it as a search for "Hot Rim Jobs" or save your search for "Monster Rim Jobs".

It has a ring to it...you gotta admit it

Well, I don't want RIM (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739612)

I don't want fart apps, but seriously, if the comments quoted in the summary are accurate and in context (oh, wait, forgot where I was...), then I can be sure that I have no use for this product. I had a BlackBerry Storm for about a year, but the user experience was so terrible, that I chunked it and gave up on smart phones all together, switching to a Motorola Barrage, which has so far been impervious to my poor treatment of it.

I have no interest in seeing adds, getting premium content, or adding "value" to my phone experience, and I don't want to do it on a "tablet" that's smaller than a tablet but too large to be a phone, either. Sorry, not really needed. This sort of attitude from all the major players in smart phones is a large part of why I just won't go back to one until they no longer make phone-shapped, call-making cell phones.

Fart apps = Hello World (1)

odin84gk (1162545) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739614)

The Fart App is the new Hello World!

You have to get experience writing for a platform somehow. Your first few programs may be throw-away, just to get used to the platform.

So who do we blame now? (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739944)

Dare I say... Blame Canada?

Vuvuzela app (2, Insightful)

js3 (319268) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739628)

You can block my 200 fart apps but I only need one vuvuzela app..

Doh! (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739630)

Damn! And my xTream-Burrito-5000(tm) project was almost ready for release.

Fart apps (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739636)

They're about as classy as Terrance & Phillip [youtube.com] .

How do they intend to stop the fart apps? (1)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739654)

So App World is going to be an *approval needed* market like Apple, except MORE stringent?

Re:How do they intend to stop the fart apps? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739842)

That's fine as long as they are consistent.

Why as a business user I switched away from RIM (4, Interesting)

Yo Grark (465041) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739710)

I was recently on a business trip and had my blackberry at my hip.
On a trip, I needed translator software, so went to RIM app world and found my options limited, i "trialed" their $30.00 french translator. (Let me say first I tried to use the web interface for google, but it took so long and so many clicks on the BB it was unusable consistently).

Well it was useless. Didn't do phrases, no real options, only did 1 word at a time. WTF? $30.00?!?

Luckily I had my ipad handy and saw what was available on the app store there. For 1.99 I got an offline app that KILLED the blackberry app in terms of features and usability.

So, in real work business usage, I have to say, RIM, you've lost me personally, but do continue to make back bench, locked in deals with CEO's to get your phones locked into corporations while you can.

Smart people use smartphones and want usability and fart apps for novelties to take their brains away from work once in awhile. .I will never go back to blackberry.

Yo Grark

Re:Why as a business user I switched away from RIM (2, Interesting)

Minwee (522556) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740126)

So, in real work business usage, I have to say, RIM, you've lost me personally, but do continue to make back bench, locked in deals with CEO's to get your phones locked into corporations while you can.

Um... Businesses don't prefer the Blackberry over the iPhone because RIM pays them to. They prefer it because the Blackberry comes with real security and centralized management solutions while the iPhone comes with... farting noises.

Who cares what RIM wants? (1)

fkx (453233) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739740)

Who cares what RIM wants?

What does the customer want? That's right - Fart Apps.

RIM and Miscreantsoft can race each other to the pit of oblivion.

That's how I use my phone? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739742)

"You're not looking at ads, clicking on ads or buying premium upgrades, and the app isn't adding any value to your device"

Um, no. I'm using my device as I see fit, which includes using apps that don't have ads, don't have premium upgrades, and don't force me to click on ads. And I'm sorry, but having ads in my apps doesn't increase MY value, but it increases my value TO YOU.

I really, really dislike this fantasy that ad-based companies are pushing that involves them "helping" me by providing me ads. You are not "helping" me. You are gathering revenue based on the supposition that an ad happened to distract me from what it was I wanted to do.

And by the way, am I going to be paying for the bandwidth overages your ads are going to ad to my bill? I certainly hope so.

Re:That's how I use my phone? (2, Insightful)

kevinmenzel (1403457) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739970)

Ok fine, then... Download your apps from places other than appworld? It's not the only place to get blackberry apps. Crackberry has a feature rich store, etc. Yes appworld is one of the easiest ways to start an ota install from your mobile but even then I've had apps before that I installed from the browser. This is, perhaps the difference between RIM and Apple - with Apple, the only way to get your app on a non-jail broken device is to sell it through their store. With RIM that's just one option.

199 fart apps... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739766)

199 fart apps should be enough for anyone.

Re:199 fart apps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33740008)

640 fart apps should be enough for anyone.

FTFY. HTH. HAND.

A company called RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739772)

calls the shots on FART jokes

RIM fart jokes in (1)

MouseR (3264) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739808)

5... 4... 3...

Re:RIM fart jokes in (0, Flamebait)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739868)

I think you are 36 minutes late to the party.

(doesn't it stink?)

Re:RIM fart jokes in (1)

MouseR (3264) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739960)

I blame the office network latency.

Re:RIM fart jokes in (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740004)

you're quite a bit behind the curve. I was all a fired up to make some kind of peurile attempts at humour but I see that I have been beaten to it several times.

deny the developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739848)

and expect a probing from the EU

Re:deny the developers (0, Troll)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740036)

Well we don't want to see the once proud, but now impoverished, Fart app industry of the EU be killed off for good by this move.

Re:deny the developers (0, Troll)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740112)

Oh and the EU will definitely need to work out the branding rights to a fart app. We want them to make sure that everyone knows that only a genuine fart app can be labeled as a "fart" app. We don't want the consumers to be confused by people passing off imitation "phart" apps as the real thing.

So, no farts from the RIM? (1)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739922)

Free Beano with every Blackberry to make sure.

New RIM product allows fart apps... (1)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739940)

...the Dingleberry.

3 fart apps (1)

jappleng (1805148) | more than 2 years ago | (#33739954)

But I LOVE fart apps! There's no better feeling than to tell your wife that you're going to grab something from another isle and discretely put a timer fart in her pocket when there's a bunch of people around. Common!

Fart apps are bad.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#33739980)

.. but http://rim.jobs/ [rim.jobs] are good?

Here's one. (1)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740012)

They need this app. [youtube.com]

OK. I understand there have to be limits (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740076)

OK. I understand there have to be limits, but 200? I say, 640 fart apps should be enough for anybody.

thanks for the time-saving (2, Interesting)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 2 years ago | (#33740102)

Knowing that RIM wants to push me into ad-laden crapware saved me the time of going down to the 'phone store and even looking at their stuff.

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