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10.10 (2, Funny)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766768)

On 10/10/10!

Whoo!

Re:10.10 (5, Funny)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766794)

On 10/10/10!

Whoo!

Fixed that for you. Stupid americants putting the month first.

Re:10.10 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766838)

1286668800 fixed that for you.

Re:10.10 (1)

arndawg (1468629) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766910)

I plan to live much longer than 2038 thank you very much. But hey, to each his own. Might be that the basement isn't that worthwhile :P i keed. :

Re:10.10 (3, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766936)

So compile t_time as a 64 bit signed int.
293 billion years should be enough for everyone.

Re:10.10 (5, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766964)

FAIL on me, I meant time_t.

t_time is when you have biscuits.

Re:10.10 (3, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767246)

And it got you modded Flamebait.

Someone around here is apparently REALLY sensitive about their #defines...

Re:10.10 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767286)

Sorry about stealing your joke. I did not see it until after I made mine.

I believe I pissed off a Mod. It happens, I have enough karma to not worry about it.

Re:10.10 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767374)

Sorry about stealing your joke. I did not see it until after I made mine.

I believe I pissed off a Mod. It happens, I have enough karma to not worry about it.

Yes, that is why I enjoy posting NIGGER jokes.

Signed,
The AC.

Re:10.10 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767278)

So telling someone how to compile stuff is flamebait?

Must have been a gentoo user they are quite sensitive about such things.

Re:10.10 (1)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767194)

It's a good thing you'll be alive longer than 2038, because we'll need all the help we can get fixing that problem.

Re:10.10 (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767054)

Why do you have it Year, Day, Month?

Re:10.10 (0, Redundant)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767094)

Why do you have it Year, Day, Month?

We write numbers from the most significant part to the least significant. Following the same reasoning, dates and times should be written year, month, day, hour, minute, second.

Therefore, it's demonstrated that 10/10/10 is the only logical way to write 10/10/10.

Re:10.10 There's a Standard for that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767700)

It's called ISO 8601 and it's about as logical as it gets!
http://www.iso.org/iso/date_and_time_format

Ubuntu advertisement? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766782)

Why is this story marked brown while every other are the regular gray?

Re:Ubuntu advertisement? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33766834)

How many licks does it take to get to the centre of your creamy anus? that shit stanks homie, wipe mo.

Re:Ubuntu advertisement? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766874)

I wasn't quick enough...Ubuntu is orange and purple. Orange for a year...purple for six months. Throw in a reference to the ZUNE while your at it. BTW the dark theme in brown is a must for people who use their computer, and don't like looking at a lightbulb. That said I miss the incredibly well done wallpaper for the ibex release http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/a-look-back-at-every-ubuntu-default-wallpaper/ [omgubuntu.co.uk]

A link... (4, Informative)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766812)

to the article in a single page here [itworld.com]

Linux Zealot 'Reviews' Ubuntu... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767302)

And the rest of the computing media pretty much has given up on even pretending desktop Linux ever going to be something greater than a 1 percent OS.

* A mishmash of competing desktop interfaces

* A mishmash of competing user interface toolkits and standards

* A mishmash of half-assed sound solutions

* A mishmash of half-assed clones of commercial applications

* Amateur typography - rampant kerning and other text layout problems

Sounds par for an OS worked on by Bearded GNU Freaks sitting around at home playing World of Warcraft on their secret Windows partitions and taking bong hits all day instead of showering, driving to work, and putting in 40+ hour work weeks fixing and implementing stuff that matters to users rather than whatever crap they happen to feel like working on.

Re:Linux Zealot 'Reviews' Ubuntu... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767360)

You must not have a lot going on in your life.

By the way, WoW works perfectly in Wine, no need for a separate partition. :)

Plenty Of Time To Make Fun The Joke That Is Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767438)

> You must not have a lot going on in your life.

Let's see, it's early Friday evening. Soon I'm going to jumping in my few month old red sports car I bought in cash from my last game development contract to go visit my filthy rich friend at his giant new house complete with gorgeous waterfall and an insane private movie theater.

Going to stuff myself going out to high end restaurants while hanging out with his stripper and porn star friends all weekend. But I won't be partaking in the whoring since I have an insanely gorgeous 20 something Persian girlfriend waiting for me.

But there is always time to make fun of the joke that is Desktop Linux.

How's your week going to be? Mom's basement 24/7?

Re:Plenty Of Time To Make Fun The Joke That Is Lin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33768548)

Says the troll at 10pm on a Friday night...

Server management (4, Interesting)

rantomaniac (1876228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766824)

Does this version clean up the mess that is their init system? Some init scripts were sysv, some were upstart-native in 10.04, and there was no commandline utility that made sense of it all.
I ran into that problem in the *server edition*, what is more central to a server installation than managing services?

Re:Server management (1)

dshk (838175) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767478)

As I remember sudo service xyz start/stop/etc. works for all type services. But I agree, compared to Windows, at least installing a Java app to run as a dameon is still a mess. Every project use a different script. This is the worst part of Linux. Hopefully Upstart or the other new alternative (Redhat?) will bring more consistency.

Re:Server management (1)

jkxx (739331) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767754)

Don't know about the init scripts but Gnome is and was (in 10.04) messed up. Can't change default app settings, can't make the compositor work properly. Pulse audio is a mess for anyone that cares about audio quality and I've had a hell of a time just trying to preserve my settings in either KDE or Gnome - both are more unstable than the older BSD versions I have. With those kinds of problems they don't have a good desktop offering. The Gnome issues have been there since 10.04 at least too so it seems no one cares enough to fix them.

Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (-1, Troll)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766830)

It seems people here including the Slashdot editors forgot that Linux != Ubuntu. Many of us do not like it and prefer other distros.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766850)

Funny, I didn't realize I was included in your "us." Cry a river and go submit a Fedora story. If it makes it through the gauntlet like this story has then good, otherwise stop crying over sour grapes.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (0, Troll)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766916)

That's because we Fedora users don't need no steenkeen Slashdot announcement. But for everyone else, it does get announced on Slashdot. [slashdot.org]

Fedora: One release a year. Ubuntu: Releases every six months or so; hence why the extra press.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767520)

Fedora: One release a year. Ubuntu: Releases every six months or so; hence why the extra press.

It's not the extra part that bothers me, it is literally twice as much press for Ubuntu and I just don't see how you can justify ...
uh...
never mind.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767008)

I'm an Ubuntu fanboy myself, and I find it irritating that test releases make the news on slashdot. Then it just becomes a "ubuntu sux!" flame-athon, since folks are still finding bugs.

But it is understandable that slashdot reports as it does. Ubuntu is "in". It is the most interesting and latest linux distro out there. Redhat/fedora had years to make a name for themselves, and they did, but now what? Is Redhat doing anything cool? If they are, be sure that Ubuntu will steal it (ie. just get it through importing gnome). And all the cool stuff that Shuttleworth is doing (that some love to hate) is only in Ubuntu. Love it or hate it, it is interesting and not in Redhat. Basically, everything cool in FOSS is either in Ubuntu only, or in Ubuntu also. And most people don't care about the actual differences between each distro. So if you want to talk about FOSS, might as well be with Ubuntu.

I think most other sites are going to be reporting on Ubuntu, and slashdot is just trying to stay ahead of the curve by reporting the release before everyone else.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767082)

Is Redhat doing anything cool?

Redhat is like having a wife of decades. You imagine what it would be like to have the young hot thing, then you realize that you prefer your partner of many years. You know her well but you still learn new things, She changes a little every year but not so much as to be a shock. She's comfortable. You remember when she was a young thing called Red Hat - yeah, red head baby! She was the IT girl and you had her. But as you get more mature and tired, you want something tried and true. You know she's reliable and she'll be there for you. The young chicky, though exiting and doing all the new and unpredictable things, just adds too much excitement to your life. I know, regardless of what happens, my darling Fedora will be there and perform.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767088)

You used RHEL 5 recently?

That old bitch needs to go. Some of us would like to use iotop, even if there are alternatives and many other new features that RHEL 5 is too out of date to have.

RHEL 6 should solve this.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767426)

Is Redhat doing anything cool?

You mean like making sure much of Ubuntu's upstream is in order? No... not a damned thing, Ubuntard.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767508)

I'm personally looking forward to systemd init replacement.

Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767120)

Don't worry, your eulogy will be written like this: "People - Billy Gates died last night"

No one will be complaining that People != Billy Gates.

Ubuntu One subscription included (0)

Meshach (578918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33766848)

This feature has stirred up lots of debate [pcworld.com]. With the uncertainty of XMarks [slashdot.org] they may be trying to capitalize on the panic.

Re:Ubuntu One subscription included (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767006)

That has been going on since 2009, are you trying to just drive traffic to that site?

Re:Ubuntu One subscription included (1, Offtopic)

Astronomerguy (1541977) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768024)

Disclosure: My wife's laptop, my work laptop and my primary desktop are all dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu. I prefer Ubuntu for everyday most-things computing. I'm a PC Gamer, hence Windows 7, my PS3 be damned (Darn $ony to heck for removing my beloved OtherOS). Windows 7 is also pretty darned good and mature too, particularly if you know how to configure it. Personally, I prefer Server 2008 configured as a desktop OS as my Windows machine, but cost etc etc. Anywhoo, if you get a Hotmail/Windows live account, you get 25Gb free online storage for free. Just sayin'. It needs to be tweaked by M$ for easily uploading directories for those non-savvy users who haven't figured out 7Zip yet, but still, it's 25 free Gb's. My browser favourites, photos, documents are all encrypted and sent up there just in case the domicile burns to the ground. Micro$oft may be the Evil Empire, but fuck, 25Gb free that's relatively secure if you encrypt it...just sayin'...

Quiet ... too quiet (0, Troll)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767090)

There doesn't seem to be much of a response to this article, which is unusual. There must be ... dozens of us using Ubuntu at this point. More seriously, how many try out the RCs? I generally jump on them if they have new major features, or fixes for any remaining problems I have with my machines. I only have one insignificant problem left on all of my machines and 10.10 doesn't have the upstream fix yet ,... so I'm waiting to the gold release.

Re:Quiet ... too quiet (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767218)

I installed it yesterday. It works fine. No griping = no problems. The only issue I had was I had to reinstall the package containing the key for "ubuntu-extras-addons" as the installer did not do that correctly. On launchpad I found the solution and it has already been fixed for when the release is official. So, good stable release - for me at least - and no big show-stoppers to gossip about yet!

I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767348)

What has it been now? A decade of promises about Linux on the desktop? A decade of failing to come up with anything that the average consumer could possibly want to run instead of Windows or OS X.

Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767370)

You obviously don't have a clue. Open source has already won everywhere but the desktop. Infrastructure! Infrastructure! Infrastructure!

Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767764)

I too am constantly surprised that OSX only has a market share on the most conservative sites that is only five times the market share of Linux, and they have massive advertising campaigns, armies of fanboys, massive media mindshare, iThis disappointing really

Loser Rationalization (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767798)

Yeah, that is crap people say when their horse in the race is getting destroyed by the competition.

"We're only losing THIS BAD!"

Re:Loser Rationalization (2, Interesting)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768764)

Good thing about OSS is that it doesn't need high market share to be a success. The people who use Ubuntu on a daily basis are quite happy with their desktops, but don't let that stop you from whining about how it's not acceptable to YOU.

Re:Quiet ... too quiet (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767544)

A new Ubuntu version is released every 6 months. Pre-releases are even more common, obviously. Pretty much everything that could be said about Ubuntu in general, and new stuff in this release in particular, has already been said on /. and elsewhere countless times already. Why do you expect many comments?

we like quiet (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767856)

we LTS users don't want to be ripping and replacing OS every six months. takes a long time to get everything tweaked just right and so we don't care about RC releases and we don't care about six month releases and we don't care about 10.10

Re:we like quiet (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768260)

I never suspected an RC would drop the same day I downloaded the beta. I barely got 9.04 when 10.04 was still gestating in the dev channels, being the cautious anti-upgrade type. 6 months isn't good for production, but does help me find a slightly more functional distro without having to wait a whole year.

I'm had to look at my Chrome history and concluded that themirror.mcs.anl.gov synched the contents too late. All the links say they had the files around 30-sept-2010 06:20am. My downloaded, already tested iso is no longer listed there, I see "rc-desktop-i386.iso" now, but my download was ubuntu-10.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso about 12 hours later than those timestamps claim. File transfers keep old timestamps when done right. I will have to redownload since my beta is 2 weeks old.

My experience was that the USB image from the ISO failed to boot my laptop. I had to press SHIFT before the ID string freezes and type help into the boot command. Picking some random option, I was able to boot. I was pleasantly surprised that my bluetooth did get detected properly and could even initiate a phone connection. However, file transfers failed both ways. I also confirmed that MP3 playback sucks (Shuttleworth has removed the prior option to helpfully download from universe.) Rhythmbox tries to select the correct codecs and fails. I also found that Firefox 3.6.9 is included, but fails to install all 3 flash options because of some package issue. Maybe my beta had all those broken.

I don't like that the DVD download isn't available for intel's 64 bit processors. As for the rest, I did notice that the outofbox app list is pretty damn skimpy compared to 2005. I have felt less and less interest in trying live releases. With Ubuntu, I'll give it another year before giving up altogether.

pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pulse. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767112)

Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break. There is a third-party PPA to fix it, but that is a pain.

I'm also not happy about the integration of a system to purchase proprietary software. Proprietary vendors have no respect for me or my property, and I don't want them having root-level access on my machine. For all I know, the proprietary vendor could start installing rootkits or hidden device drivers, similar to the way many modern Windows games work.

Also, put the buttons back on the right!

These are all reasons I switched to Debian.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (2, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767402)

The alternative is Alsa/Pulseaudio combination continues to improve...and has always worked for me. If there is a major annoyance, and its one that many people have, previous updates often mute the volume. What I have also found is that alsa on my Revo through HDMI on this update muted an a switch that wasn't available through a GUI. Although compared to sound on Windows Pulseaudio is a godsend, and a step in the right direction.

Given the option to buy commercial software is an excellent idea. You don't have to buy it and the opportunities for then to make money from an App Store is great idea. I am annoyed that they did not offer an opportunity to buy the Humble Bundle game bundle with a consistent easy way to install then. Hopefully they are wooing game developers as I type.

As for buttons on the right...put then on the left...and while your at it install a dynamic wallpaper, faenza icons, conky colours, and a dark dark theme, get compiz scale/wall working from the bottom corners, and install awn. I'd say use the droid font, but the new Ubuntu font looks amazing.

If all your hardware works...and you are more interested in stability(after your fixes) over features...and your happier with Debian stow release cycle go with it. Whats interesting is people today are moving towards rolling releases. It excites me because I use Gentoo because I am one of these people and a stable supported version seems like bliss.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (0, Flamebait)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767416)

First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.

Second, what the fuck are you on about proprietary software not respecting you. Access to other people's work to do as you see fit isn't a human right, a right as a citizen or a computer user. Demanding that you be given the right to redistribute, modify, resell, etc. their software is more about *you* being disrespectful about how you treat other people's property.

Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767576)

Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.
Installing a deb runs a number of scripts as root that can do whatever the hell the packager likes (either directly or if the packager wants to obfuscate what is going on by running binaries from the package).

Don't install debs you don't trust!

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (2, Insightful)

Nyeerrmm (940927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767914)

So... don't install the proprietary DEBs... I fail to see how making such software easily available puts you at risk.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33768382)

Original poster here. Well, I certainly consider having games secretly install hidden device drivers that interfere with my CD burner as not respecting me. Am I wrong? Does the imaginary property brigade own my PC when I install some of their software? Do they get to do whatever they like, including running intentionally cloaked processes in the background? See also, Sony Rootkit. How about tampering with my boot sector?

Some of us have gotten tired of this crap over the years. I want a reliable machine where I won't have to worry about predatory capitalist pigs compromising the functionality or security of my machine to (maybe) make another few bucks. How about a vendor classifying a "Genuine Advantage" utility that phones home repeatedly as a security update, in order to get it on machines with auto-update enabled? That one happened too. Good thing we've got gigs of RAM. We can just allow all this crap that works for someone else to run in the background! This is why commercial software on my machine belongs in a contained environment. I don't trust it.

BTW Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I guess thats what people have to do to win an arguement around here.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (3, Insightful)

siride (974284) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768170)

Do you trust open-source software? Have you actually looked at the code to make sure that it isn't doing anything sneaky? You know that people can analyze the code and behavior of proprietary software as well, albeit with a little bit more difficulty. That's how all those exploits for Windows came about.

Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33768436)

Maybe that is why they call it pulseaudio.

Is full screen flash fixed (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767122)

It's been all over the forums for months that they broke it in 10. Lots of 'fixes' and lots more people who the fixes don't work for. It's kept me on 9 the whole time.

Re:Is full screen flash fixed (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767136)

Works for me in 10.04 and 10.10.

10.04 is a gma 4500 HD or XD which ever is the desktop one. 10.10 is with a 7600 GTS.

Re:Is full screen flash fixed (1)

skyride (1436439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767830)

Yup, my laptop running 10.04 with an Nvidia GeForce 8400M has no issues what so ever with fullscreen flash.

Nothing Happened Today...... (-1, Troll)

segedunum (883035) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767180)

Oh great, another Ubuntu release where nothing happens and nothing has changed apart from copying more Mac 'features'. The rest of the world then laughs at people pretending that something has happened and at Canonical's feeble attempts to rake in some revenue after all these years.

Re:Nothing Happened Today...... (1, Interesting)

DiegoBravo (324012) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767394)

They must build a partnership with Oracle (and support their database) in order to be seriously considered in enterprises and (finally) get some profits. BTW I don't like Oracle at all, it's just my opinion collected from some real companies that currently pay for RedHat and Suse support.

Re:Nothing Happened Today...... (2, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767470)

LOL I love this comment so much. Yes Ubuntu moved the taskbar buttons to the left...and what else. As for as I can see Mac features that are exclusive to Apple simply do not exist...they certainly did not invent the desktop analogy. Hell the company was drowning before they but there desktop on a *NIX Platform. If Ubuntu have copied anything, they have created a "Brand", they have not focused on innovation, they are not great contributors to Linux; Debian; X; Gnome; OpenOffice. They have developed a font; packaged a sensible collection of Applications that fit on one CD; commercialized their offering with paid support; Cloud Storage, Music Store...and now Commercial Applications, and its about time. Short of wooing some game companies they have been fantastic.

The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767274)

Will it fix the hang with forzen graphics, mouse, and keyboard so many people are experiencing?

Re:The real question is... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767310)

Did those people try noapic?

And how can you tell if graphics are frozen if mouse and keyboard do not work?

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767366)

Yes they tried noapic. Remote login via ssh.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478787
(Not every post is consistent with the graphical freeze in this very long thread, but it happens for many of us afflicted with this).

Re:The real question is... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767420)

Considering the "me too" nature of ubuntuforums I had to give up on it long ago. Too many folks with not even similar problems and no testing claiming they have the same issue, thus making them impossible to help.

Too quickly (2, Interesting)

sea4ever (1628181) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767318)

In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit.
That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x
I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true.
Someone find them and mod them up, please.

Re:Too quickly (1)

underqualified (1318035) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767482)

I have the same problem Fedora. I think I'll be switching to Gentoo, if I finally stop the monitor from making funny noises during the install.

Re:Too quickly (5, Interesting)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767554)

If you are keen on that kind of thing, you can always just pretend that a new version is released every three years in April, and the rest of them in between are kinda betas.

Re:Too quickly (1, Redundant)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767616)

You could stick with LTS [ubuntu.com].

Re:Too quickly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767916)

That's precisely what was being suggested above you.

Re:Too quickly (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768346)

They are just as unstable in my experience. Usually they work for awhile and then a patch comes and messes it up.

Re:Too quickly (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767602)

In my opinion due to the fast nature of Linux in General and the vast changes that have happened in the Desktop Space over the past few years. Its not surprising this has not given the boost to Ubuntu over other Distributions and Linux in general. What is interesting is people seem to be getting more and more exited by rolling Distributions. I can see why with Firefox 4 not making the cut with this release. I personally prefer it I could never go back to Windows with their years between releases, and major regressions.

Re:Too quickly (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768262)

people seem to be getting more and more exited by rolling Distributions.

Yeah, rolling Distributions always make me want to leave.

Re:Too quickly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767622)

So just use the LTS (Long Term Support) releases — that's what it's there for, for people that don't want to upgrade after every release.

Re:Too quickly (4, Interesting)

coerciblegerm (1829798) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767860)

In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit. That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true. Someone find them and mod them up, please.

I completely agree. I've recently made the decision to go upstream and install Debian (testing) on my home system instead of upgrading to 10.10; the last three releases of Ubuntu have proven to be a complete nightmare to upgrade (for me, at least) without a clean install. I rather like the idea of (at least theoretically) never having to re-install my operating system and manually building "deprecated" programs that I prefer to use due to a major distribution upgrade.

Re:Too quickly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33768202)

Weird; my experience has been the opposite. When I got my laptop and saw that its vista preinstall was loaded down with crapware, I blew it away and put the then-current 7.10 on there. I've updated it in place since then and have barely had any trouble at all. (I had a little trouble on my desktop with the last transition - some menu things broke and had to be removed and re-added). The only thing that's come close in usability for me has been fresh installs of vista and win7 - and I still had to hunt for a couple drivers afterwards with those (though nowhere nearly as badly as older versions of windows).

Re:Too quickly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33768482)

Just use LTS.

Eat it up, niggers! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767494)

umbongo 10.10

Does the OOo quick-starter still prevent shutdown? (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767542)

Does anyone know if the OOo quick-starter prevents shutdown like it did with Ubuntu 10.04?

And have they fixed the lesser issue of the quick-starter icon having a white background (versus the default tray colour of black/dark-grey)?

So what the fuck else is new. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767638)

No, really, what's new? Anything? More daemons rewritten by Canonical for no reason? Or did they just make the "Ubuntu One" logo bigger this time?

Worthless article.

No thanks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33767868)

I was totally on board with Ubuntu since 8.04, but I've since seen the light known as Linux Mint Isadora. It's much more usable out-of-the-box. That, and the green Mint theme is a lot more appealing than Ubuntu's themes. (seriously, who would ever change it from orange to shit brown, and then to purple?!)

Re:No thanks (2, Interesting)

Omestes (471991) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768068)

I tried Mint on my Atom HTPC, I installed Ubuntu 10.04 over it pretty quickly. I couldn't stand the Windows XP menu, and some of the other graphical elements seemed a bit underdone or amateur (like the update manager). It was nice that it saved me the five minutes needed to install codecs, but that is about the only benefit I found. The default theme is better than Ubuntu's, but the default Ubuntu theme generally only lasts around a day on a fresh install. It had the same problem with sound over HDMI as Ubuntu, and really didn't offer any noticeable improvements.

But then again I'm used to Ubuntu, been running it on and off since 7.something or another, and pretty much constantly (on my laptop) since 9.something or another. It might be perfect, for all I know. Sadly it doesn't matter, since running Ubuntu or Mint of an Atom box with an Ion chip is like delving into some nasty circle of hell where anything using flash (Like Hulu) is impossible yet taunts you constantly like a vulture. I wish my old Mac Mini could handle 1080, the Linux box would turn into a headless server. I prefer Ubuntu to OS X, but it is barely usable (at least the HTPC, my Laptop, also running 10.04 works fine).

Go-go NVIDIA drivers!

narcoleptic newt (1)

nadaou (535365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33767878)

Mark, if you are reading, please let 11.04 be called narcoleptic newt, ...

Re:narcoleptic newt (1)

nadaou (535365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768016)

aw shucks, Natty Narwhal? Named after a mythical cetacean?

(ok, it's not mythical just yet, but considering where it lives and what it looks like, give that a few years)

Really week review (4, Interesting)

leamanc (961376) | more than 3 years ago | (#33768414)

The linked review is pretty damn weak. It mostly goes over the installed software without actually talking much about what it all does and how it all works together. And the author "doesn't understand" why MP3 codecs or Flash Player are not installed by default, even though they are a click away when you need them. I would expect an IT professional to understand the licensing issues here, and how they come in to play when shipping a FLOSS distro. Ubuntu handles it quite elegantly, IMO, but to do what he wants would violate some laws (stupid, bad laws, but laws nonetheless).
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