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Against Apple, Ballmer Floats Microsoft Merger With Adobe

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the natural-building-material dept.

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Ebbesen writes "Ballmer had a meeting with the CEO of Adobe, and among other things: 'The meeting, which lasted over an hour, covered a number of topics, but one of the main thrusts of the discussion was Apple and its control of the mobile phone market and how the two companies could partner in the battle against Apple. A possible acquisition of Adobe by Microsoft were among the options.' Apparently MS has courted Adobe previously, but feared anti-trust regulations. With Google and Apple gaining, Microdobe might be possible."

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Bleeeechhhh (5, Informative)

paimin (656338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830582)

I just vomited in my coffee.

Re:Bleeeechhhh (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830590)

I just vomited in my coffee.

Doubtless Microsoft-Adobe's first product line, to be followed by Shit-In-A-Dish 2.0 (they'll start the version there to underline just how unique this new collaborative technology is).

Re:Bleeeechhhh (3, Funny)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830592)

Well, you see, your problem there is you're drinking bleeeechhhh. That would make anyone vomit.

Cheers,

Re:Bleeeechhhh (5, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830658)

Microdobe might be possible

I think they meant Microbe (pronounced my-CROW-bee). If you had some of that in your coffee that'll make you puke like a pro.

Re:Bleeeechhhh (5, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830668)

Imagine the power of Microsoft's experience in insecure bloat, and Adobes undisputed skill in...owning Flash, we can look forward to bloated, insecure flash.

Wait, what?

Re:Bleeeechhhh (4, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830860)

Among the "top 10" for insecure software products, I can see the pack leaders are Windows, Acrobat PDF plugins, and Flash. Such a merger sounds like a match made in heaven.

It already exists... (5, Insightful)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830866)

It's called Silverlight.

Re:Bleeeechhhh (4, Funny)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830836)

I just vomited in my coffee.
--
Facebook is the new AOL

You signature just made me snort iced tea up my nose as I laughed.

Re:Bleeeechhhh (1)

paimin (656338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831092)

All that's missing is "YOU'VE GOT MAIL!"

Re:Bleeeechhhh (-1, Troll)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830888)

Really? Cuz I just sat here and said "That's about right" because they both make crappy, poorly conceived software that's heavily exploited by hackers. They even both put design before security. It's like the perfect match! Just like AMD buying ATI. They're 2nd best at processor making so why would they buy Nvidida? That wouldn't match at all lol.

First post! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830586)

This is horrifiyng news. What would happen to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign?

Re:First post! (5, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830684)

Well I would guess they would be Windows only. The opposite happened when Apple bought Logic Pro and offered migration to the Mac version, as there would be no future windows builds. Apple sowed the wind on this particular trick..

Re:First post! (5, Informative)

paimin (656338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830790)

Riiiight. Because Microsoft has never [wikipedia.org] done anything [wikipedia.org] like that.

Re:First post! (2, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830832)

How many Windows users of Logic Pro were there? My recollection was there were not many so cutting the Windows version wasn't a big loss, and Apple didn't want to support a Windows version. If Adobe cuts off OS X versions of their professional tools like Photoshop, they will be losing about 50% of their customers.

Re:First post! (4, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830988)

If Adobe cuts off OS X versions of their professional tools like Photoshop, they will be losing about 50% of their customers.

OR Apple may lose them. Adobe still holds a lot of clout in that area.

Re:First post! (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830938)

Why? Photoshop is a drop in the bucket compared to Office, and there's still a Mac version for that. There's no long term strategy in shutting off a good portion of your user base...what, do you think they don't like money? Believe what you will, but Microsoft is not "evil" in the classic sense of the word. What we declare "evil" is really banal decision making to maximize profits for shareholders.

Re:First post! (1, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831024)

Try the Mac version and get back to us. It is crippled, try using excel services for one.

Windows only? But why? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830944)

Dialogue from earlier today:
Me -- Dude, I need a video card for that PC I was talking...
Dude -- An AGP one?
Me -- Yeah, guess so.
Dude -- Don't have. But you can find one of those elsewhere... Did your card died on you?
Me -- Nope. I figured out why Flash doesn't run. It needs 128MB minimum and the Nvidia card is 64MB only.
Dude -- Wha?? Windows doesn't have such problems.
Me-- Yeah, heard so. But I tested with Flash 8 and it runs ok. Flash 9 and 10 seem to revert to non-accelerated video.
Dude -- What a bunch...
Me -- Exactly.

Why make it Windows only if you can make Linux and Mac look bad?

Re:First post! (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831014)

And MS cut the Mac version of IE and Windows as well. They'd have a much harder time cutting the Apple version of Photoshop than they would cutting the Windows version.

Re:First post! (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831030)

Exactly, and that's the true win. Would definitely hurt Apple =P

If only there was some way to kill all old versions to ;D

Apple always does it the way you describe though. Since everyone developed for Mac and PC why would anyone get a mac? So by doing what you describe they solved that, but then they lose all other third-party software titles because Apple claim more or less the whole market in the area.

And that's just one of the areas where macs suck. Like iTunes? Fine. Don't like it? Oups.
(Yeah, I know Songbord exist in this example, and yes, it suck.)
Like Mail? so on so on.

Re:First post! (1)

exley (221867) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830704)

People would continue pirating them pretty much at will?

Time to look for open source alternatives (1)

peterhil (472239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830834)

I guess I'll look seriously into starting to use Gimp, Xara LX and Inkscape. Are there any good open source photo editors / bitmap graphics applications?

Re:First post! (4, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830722)

This is horrifiyng news. What would happen to Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign?

They would all get 'ribbons' and Clippy.

Hey there! (4, Funny)

Dayofswords (1548243) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830902)

It looks like you're trying to edit that spring break photo with that guy you thought was a chick.
Would you like help?

  • Get help to make this guy look hot.
  • Get help pasting a model over him.
  • Get help for making you look so wasted you didn't know what you were doing.

Re:First post! (2, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830736)

Given that Microsoft has never been able to compete effectively against any of those three packages, or even really attempted to for that matter, I would guess that the Adobe coding teams would be assimilated into Microsoft whole and continue as if nothing much had happened. You'd probably be getting your CS updates via the Windows Update site from the next major release though, which would be a major plus point in my opinion. Jokes about having plenty of practice aside, one thing that Microsoft does do very well is patch management and deployment. Personally, I wish they'd put in some suitable security mechanisms, open up the API and let third parties plug into the Microsoft Update mechanism; it'd be really nice to have something like YUM or APT for Windows boxes...

Re:First post! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830934)

Except for people running OSX, those products might be cancelled and any non-OSX non-windows flash would instantly be killed.

Re:First post! (5, Interesting)

Jazz-Masta (240659) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830900)

There wouldn't be any name change for Microsoft - the brand is far too valuable. Adobe would cease to exist; or rather they would become a subsidiary and only funnel money to Microsoft.

They have very few competing products, which is great for the customers of both. There would be far more integration, very little product loss.

It would be great to see Flash take on some of Silverlight's power and ease of development. Combining the best of the two would create a very worthy foe. Coldfusion has long had a few features that ASP should have had. FrameMaker could lend a hand to Word, and Visio could become an addin to FrameMaker...as all three are used very much when writing technical books.

After the scare Adobe received earlier this year at the hands of Apple, Adobe must realize at any time Apple holds the power in their relationship. Although Adobe is responsible for Apple's early dominance in the graphic and motion industry, Apple no longer needs them. In terms of sales, Adobe has always made most of their money supporting Microsoft's operating system.

Lately both companies have seen innovation only in the form of acquisitions of smaller, more nimble companies. Whatever they choose, they need to do it before the slide starts.

Re:First post! (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830986)

If I could get FrameMaker at a good price, I'm for it!

Efficient (5, Funny)

Again (1351325) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830588)

Microsoft and Adobe merging is an option that would increase efficiency. That way I can direct my hatred in one direction with less distraction from various evil companies.

Re:Efficient (0, Flamebait)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830720)

Microsoft and Adobe merging is an option that would increase efficiency. That way I can direct my hatred in one direction with less distraction from various evil companies.

OK, if you Don't Wanna Be Evil, how about Google? [wsj.com] They've got even more interest in Flash-on-mobile as a stopgap against Apple World Domination as Microsoft does, and could probably write a PDF viewer in less than 100 megabytes.

Re:Efficient (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830958)

Microsoft and Adobe merging is an option that would increase efficiency. That way I can direct my hatred in one direction with less distraction from various evil companies.

OK, if you Don't Wanna Be Evil, how about
Google? [wsj.com] They've got even more interest in Flash-on-mobile as a stopgap against Apple World Domination as Microsoft does, and could probably write a PDF viewer in less than 100 megabytes.

GooDobeSoft

How convenient (4, Insightful)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830594)

One less company to hate.

How convenient (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830768)

>>>One less company to hate.

"Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you."

Sure. (0, Troll)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830596)

Two companies that don't know shit about security teaming up. I have never been so happy I bought a Mac.

Re:Sure. (1)

darkain (749283) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830640)

I'm not a Mac user myself, but my very first thought of this whole thing was of my friends who DO use Mac systems... and that if Microsoft + Adobe happens, then what will happen to Photoshop and other Adobe based products on the Mac platforms?

Re:Sure. (3, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830690)

If they make money, Microsoft will keep making them.
EG: Microsoft Office for Mac

Re:Sure. (0, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830960)

You mean they would make a crippled version. Try using Office for Mac with sharepoint or Excel services.

Re:Sure. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33831026)

Try using Office for Mac with sharepoint or Excel services.

Does it suck? Because it sure sucks on my PC.

Re:Sure. (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831046)

EG: Microsoft Office for Mac ie MS Adobe for Mac: $$$ and massive version drift.

Re:Sure. (1)

do0b (1617057) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830818)

The same thing that is happening now. Adobe products on the mac aren't all that great anymore.

Re:Sure. (2, Insightful)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831034)

The same thing that is happening now. Adobe products on the mac aren't all that great anymore.

You can blame Apple and their constantly changing direction for that. How can you add in new features if you have to rewrite the core of the software just to account for Apple's newest platform changes? Adobe is still catching up after Apple yanked 64-bit Carbon support out from under them.

Re:Sure. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831040)

It would make more sense for them to discontinue Photoshop altogether than to cut the OSX version. It would be much more likely that MS would sell the rights to Photoshop than discontinuing the OSX version, given that the professionals that use Photoshop mainly use OSX.

Re:Sure. (1)

Skatox (1109939) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830674)

hahaah right, imaging the power of combining their bugs into one system

Re:Sure. (1)

BLToday (1777712) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830828)

This whole week, I've had to deal with infections from Flash drive-by insecurity and stupid people still using IE.

Sure Buddy. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830886)

Saying a Mac is secure is like saying you can't get STDs from a fleshlight.

The language is technically correct, but it implies a lack of experience and understanding.

LOL (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831018)

I can't believe you just used "fleshlight" in the same sentence as "experience and understanding"

Re:Sure. (1)

eulernet (1132389) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831098)

They perhaps don't care about security and but they are masters of software bloat !

Their programs are insanely huge.

Micro and Macro? (3, Funny)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830608)

Adobe bought Macromedia back in distant times, so if Microsoft buy Adobe, won't that make them Micromacrobe?

Re:Micro and Macro? (0, Redundant)

paimin (656338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830664)

I think simply "Microbe" is more fitting.

See here [biotopics.co.uk]

Re:Micro and Macro? (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830712)

If they call themselves that, I'll gladly switch back to Windows and buy Photoshop. That would probably render me homeless, however...

Re:Micro and Macro? (3, Insightful)

CdBee (742846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830702)

Well its another reason Flash will never make it to the iPhone !

Re:Micro and Macro? (2, Funny)

phizi0n (1237812) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830732)

The micro and macro cancel each other out so the merged company will call themselves Softmediadobe.

Get all your 0-days from us (1)

cheeni (267248) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830610)

'nuff said - two of the worst security records and they want to merge.

Possible Security Improvements? (4, Insightful)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830612)

Oh God, I so hope this happens. Microsoft may have a bad reputation for security, but quite honestly nothing is as big a nightmare for IT than anything and everything Adobe. Reader, Flash, CS... it's all a perpetual pain in the butt that Adobe always drops the ball with deployment and maintenance.

Plus maybe then we can stop every MS site from needing SilverLight and every MS application installing an XPS Viewer/Printer.

Re:Possible Security Improvements? (0, Troll)

masterwit (1800118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830840)

Oh don't worry, they will integrate Adobe Flash at the kernel level in Windows. That will make everything super safe!

Or maybe integrate it into the context menus or associate it with explorer - we can only hope...

Plus with automatic updates you can be sure that updating other operating systems will become "less important", but that is okay, like everyone uses Windows right?

Re:Possible Security Improvements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830892)

My fault on Code "Comment Post Mode", forgot to reset that setting it seems...

Re:Possible Security Improvements? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831086)

Plus maybe then we can implement future Flash versions on top of Silverlight and phase out PDF in favor of XPS.

FTFY

Then Microsoft could own the two most pirated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830622)

pieces of software.

Adobe Photoshop, and Microsoft Windows.

So.... (3, Insightful)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830626)

So....Flash will suck on my Ubuntu machines even more now? I'm going to go cry myself to sleep tonight.

Re:So.... (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830708)

No, at that point neither Ubuntu nor Mac OSX will have official flash players.

It's either a tragedy or a triumph, depending on your point of view.

Re:So.... (1)

cf18 (943501) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830748)

May be they will try to make a silverlight + flash hybrid that will suck even on latest Windows.

Microdobe? (2, Informative)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830628)

Microdobe? Please.

If Adobe is lucky, they will be "Adobe, an independently managed subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation".

More likely, Adobe + Microsoft = Microsoft.

Double the evil, double the fun.

Mac Creative Suite Users Ever Where Twitch (3, Insightful)

Kostya (1146) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830630)

It's bad enough Mac users still have to install MS Office because it won't really interoperate with things like iWork or open office. Now imagine all those Mac creative types experiencing the pain of a MS-owned and focused Adobe.

I have to say, this is a crazy time to be in IT, software, and the mobile space. It's almost reminiscent of the chaos of the dot-com days: constant tech churn, companies rising and falling, etc. Hopefully we can avoid the bubble part ;-)

whats that sound? (1)

harddriveerror (1623145) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830636)

Photoshop down the shitter?

I wouldn't want to be the poor shlub... (2, Funny)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830650)

... that has to get Ballmer's sweat stains out of the furniture in that meeting room!

Re:I wouldn't want to be the poor shlub... (3, Funny)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831032)

I wouldn't want to be the one to get Ballmer's furniture out of the walls of the meeting room . . .

Flash for Linux? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830652)

I know we all hate Flash, but we need it (sometimes) and I doubt Microbe would continue development on Flash for Linux.

Re:Flash for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830780)

Other than making your platform more insecure and unstable name one thing that there is not a better delivery system out there for than flash.

Re:Flash for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33831022)

Other than making your platform more insecure and unstable name one thing that there is not a better delivery system out there for than flash.

Silverlight

Re:Flash for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830868)

I know we all hate Flash, but we need it (sometimes) and I doubt Microbe would continue development on Flash for Linux.

Well, if it's any consolation, I doubt that they would continue developing Flash for Windows either. It's silverlight all the way, baby.

Re:Flash for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830962)

and retarded cousin moonlight without any drm support

Re:Flash for Linux? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831056)

What exactly do we need it for? The only things that I can think or are as a bandage fix for what's ultimately MS' refusal to comply with the standards, and at this point it looks like that might start changing in the foreseeable future.

That trainwreck would make me.... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830654)

....giggle like a schoolgirl.

That would make things simpler. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830678)

I'd have one less company's products to avoid.

Long live .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830696)

MICROBIE!!!!

I don't see much of Adobe products surviving. (5, Interesting)

Motard (1553251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830728)

Microsoft has replaced postscript with XPS. IE and Silverlight can display XPS, so goodbye Acrobat. Silverlight does video and RIA. Goodbye Flash. Expression Blend can do what Illustrator does, although it's not as mature.

And with no one giving MS a chance of succeeding in the mobile space, the time may be right to sidestep antitrust issues.

Microsoft gets a migration path from Adobe to Silverlight. Adobe shareholders get $$$'s and not uncertainty.

The uncertainty will come from the government.

Re:I don't see much of Adobe products surviving. (2, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831060)

Or Flash player for Mac and Linux will be 'out sourced' in an extra special way, suffer epic version drift and just be dropped for Silverlight Home.

Re:I don't see much of Adobe products surviving. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831066)

If they did that, there'd definitely be antitrust suits in the future for them. They could probably get around it by releasing enough XPS documentation for other platforms, but still that'd be risky.

Re:I don't see much of Adobe products surviving. (5, Insightful)

dch24 (904899) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831082)

You're spot on. Microsoft does not buy other companies to merge with them. Microsoft buys them out and shuts them down.

If they can eliminate Adobe from the competition, then Apple is the only target left. Ballmer doesn't care at all whether CS, Flash, Acrobat, or mobile devices succeed. He only cares about shareholder profitability. We outsiders will guess and post on slashdot but it won't affect the outcome at all. If the deal goes through, Adobe will fade away.

Personally, I like Adobe's past, though they've made some serious errors starting around 2001. It may be time to close up shop. I wonder.

So, at long last the truth comes out (2, Funny)

Linsaran (728833) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830738)

Microsoft and Adobe are now going to be Microbe, I always suspected they virus'

Fine wit-it, if they put .NET back in Dreamweaver (1)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830760)

.....and kill off Cold Fusion once and for all.

Re:Fine wit-it, if they put .NET back in Dreamweav (2, Informative)

thestudio_bob (894258) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830870)

ColdFusion used to be great. When it was just owned by Allaire. Then MacroMedia walks into the picture, buys Allaire and starts putting out buggy ColdFusion releases. Then Adobe buys MacroMedia and people thought they would handle ColdFusion better, but soon found out that all they really were doing was cramming Flash in it to make it even buggier and bloated.

I love CFML, but I haven't used Adobe's ColdFusion in over 2 years. Railo and BlueDragon for me.

Bloat (1)

phizi0n (1237812) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830796)

It's bad enough that Adobe bloated Macromedia's products after the merger. MS would turn Dreamweaver into a 20GB version of FrontPage 97.

Microsoft Flash (1)

keird (519534) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830864)

Just what we need is _both_ Microsoft and Adobe screwing up flash on the Mac. That will ensure it never sees the light of day on an iPhone.

Good (0, Troll)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830872)

This might finally convince Apple to make their own graphics suite. Adobe hasn't been an innovator for a long time, and they don't write good software.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830906)

OS X would beg to differ with you...

Re:Good (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830972)

Frankly, I agree. The threat of Microsoft pulling Office prompted them to make iWork and, quite frankly, I like the suite a great deal more than Office. If this pushes Apple to do the same for graphics programs, I'll be a very happy camper. Would the creative suite be as polished as Adobe CS right off the bat? Obviously not but Apple does know a thing or two about developing software packages so I'm pretty confident it wouldn't take them too long to get things working at a professional level.

microdobe (1)

dynamo (6127) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830896)

If this happened, the merged company should be called Adobe. MS would do best to try to leave it's past behind. And it's present.

Death of Flash (4, Interesting)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830908)

Well, that merger would spell the death of Flash pretty damn quickly. What, you think Microsoft would keep Flash _and_ Silverlight? You think they'd keep Flash _instead_ of Silverlight? Don't kid yourself - they are a corporate culture company with political infighting of the worst degree. The Microsoft team would do everything and then some to ensure that all products that Adobe made that duplicated existing Microsoft products were wiped from the face of computing. If they're willing to nonchallantly stab fellow Microsoft execs in the back to ensure their product gets favoured treatment, just think how ruthless they'll be against non-Microsoft execs...

Oh Crap! (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830936)

When these two bloated behemoths merge, a black hole will inevitably form... and my job is just on the other side of Lake Washington, at UW. There's no way we'll escape from the gravitational well!

I think I'm gonna call in sick on the day they sign the merger papers.

down with Flash and up with Silverlight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33830942)

ballmer seems to have a hard on to murder competing technologies (of which MS makes chinese knockoffs) and it would be terrible for everyone. I'm no fan of Flash but when the world changes to Silverlight, everyone is truly screwed... especially the non-Windows people.

Not good... (0, Troll)

dtjohnson (102237) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830948)

This is a good example of why Microsoft's future looks so gloomy. Instead of coming out with new ways of doing things, better, more efficient ways, things that delight users, they think of ways they can screw other companies like Apple and Google that ARE doing those things.

Okay, I'm siding with Jobs for once (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830952)

Clearly, any potential merger makes for a damn good reason to keep Flash off the iPhone, and support HTML 5. Platform neutrality is rather important here.

Software Quality (1)

mishaneah (905054) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830956)

Both companies ship code riddled with bugs and obsolete code. They were made for each other.

PDF in Office (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830996)

As I recall, the reason OpenOffice can export to PDFs natively and Office can't is because Adobe didn't trust Microsoft with the relevant code. (Or it may have been something to do with licensing, could someone else chime in here? Either way, Adobe wouldn't let them do it.) Anyhow, I would expect we could see that feature "coming soon to a Ribbon near you".

Re:PDF in Office (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831090)

Office for Mac can because on OS X anything that can be printed can be turned into a PDF.

Re:PDF in Office (4, Informative)

bflong (107195) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831100)

As far as I know, that is not correct. PDF is an open format, and anyone can write software to create PDF's without needing a licence from Adobe. The reason PDF export isn't built into MS Office is because MS decided not to do it.

o_O (0, Troll)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 3 years ago | (#33830998)

Buy Adobe for mobile? Is there an Adobe phone I haven't seen? Has Adobe developed a successful phone/pad OS I'm not aware of? What, pray-tell, does Adobe have in mobile?

Perhaps this is about Flash. Silverlight must not be meeting expectations... Anyhow, few care about Flash in mobile, really. Both iPhonePad and Android are succeeding largely without it. Vector graphics and playing movies are solved problems.

The only company with a credible counter to Apple's iPhonePad is Google, and Microsoft can't afford to buy Google. I really can't imagine how you rationalize what would be the huge purchase cost of Adobe on the basis of 'battle against apple' in the 'mobile phone' market when Adobe brings so little to the table.

Anyhow, go buy Flash if you want Ballmer. HTML5 trumps all that nonsense anyhow. Canvas is already better than flash because it's not a plug-in. I've used WebM/VP8 with ffmpeg and it works fine and looks great. The only reason these new tools haven't replaced the legacy stuff is lack of motivation. Perhaps Microsoft will provide it.

You can't buy the Internet Ballmer. It doesn't like you.

They each have an OS (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#33831008)

So will adobe reader be rebadged as windows 8?

mod 04 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33831028)

personal rivalries the Longest or not anymore. It's there are
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