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Ubuntu 10.10, Maverick Meerkat, Now Available

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the lucky-13 dept.

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teeks99 writes "The latest version of Ubuntu — 10.10, called Maverick Meerkat — has been released. This release contains new improvements, like an update to the Ubuntu One online service (with music streaming), Shotwell instead of F-Spot, the new Unity interface (for netbooks), and an upgrade to just about every piece of existing software. The announcement e-mail has more details."

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early (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851462)

That's early. I thought they normally got released at the end of the month in question

Re:early (3, Informative)

cronco (1435465) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851484)

I think they were aiming for the symbolic 10/10/10 date for the 10.10 version.

Re:early (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851538)

And 101010 is binary for 42...

Re:early (5, Funny)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851614)

And 101010 is binary for 42...

And if you add 4+2 you get 6........

How many years has Ubuntu been around? 6. Not a coincidence people.

Re:early (3, Informative)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851654)

And there are 6 digits in 101010!

Wohoo! This proves how the world is all Determined by the Lord in all its greatness.

Or that no such lord exists. I'd rather stick to that one.

Re:early (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851774)

And there are 6 digits in 101010!
Wohoo! This proves how the world is all Determined by the Lord in all its greatness.

And He took 6 days to complete the Earth. And He saw that Ubuntu was good.

Re:early (5, Funny)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851944)

And He saw that Ubuntu was good.

That's only because he hadn't seen KDE based distro yet.

Re:early (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852054)

4+2 = 6. 6 years of Ubuntu. 6 digits in 101010. Hmmm. Add all sixes together (6,6,6), and you get 18. I wonder where that is leading . . .

Re:early (2, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852182)

1 + 8 = 9, which is 6 upside down. I got dis numerology thing down.

Re:early (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852320)

And 69 upside down is even more fun.

Or so I've heard, but I *am* a /.er ...

Re:early (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851680)

With the announcement email timestamped 11:10:10 BST, which is of course 10:10:10 UTC.

Trick they missed: not getting 808 State's 10x10 [youtube.com] for the official theme tune.

Re:early (2, Interesting)

RicktheBrick (588466) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851848)

I started up my update manager on my Ubuntu 10.04 computer and it does not have an announcement about a upgrade to the OS. I clicked on the check box and the only thing I got were 3 minor upgrades to 10.04. I just started up software sources and found that it had long term support releases only so when I changed that to normal releases and went back to upgrade manager it did have the 10.10 announcement. I will download the new upgrade and burn a disc so that I can try it before I install it since I have had trouble with the last two upgrades. I use the computer to run BOINC and world community grid and the last two upgrades could not run BOINC without having to change things. The last upgrade BOINC stated that I was running an unsupported linux system until I edited a file and added a line to the options section.

Re:early (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852218)

That's a lovely story.

Any good? (4, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851470)

Has anyone given it a good testing? I've noticed a horrible trend that Canonical tends to rush their releases these days, especially today. Trying to hit the 10/10/10 deadline makes me wonder what they've left broken to meet their target date.

It's extremely good. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851564)

I've been using the pre-releases since they've become available, and I haven't had any problems whatsoever. I've installed them on around 60 different computers used by developers, accountants and managers without any issue whatsoever. While the pre-release versions are rock-solid enough for them to use daily, I do it knowing that Ubuntu makes it damn easy to upgrade to the final release.

Before, we were using the final releases of Fedora, but it was a total disaster. Fedora 13 was the breaking point. It was so full of bugs and other problems that we had to find something better, and Ubuntu was it.

Thanks to being built upon Debian, Ubuntu gets to take advantage of all of the professionalism and real-world experience that the Debian community has to offer. We just don't find that within the Fedora community.

Re:It's extremely good. (5, Funny)

delire (809063) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851910)

I've installed them on around 60 different computers used by developers, accountants and managers without any issue whatsoever.

You install pre-releases of software in the workplace? You're not much of a people person I take it..

Re:It's extremely good. (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852158)

You install pre-releases of software in the workplace? You're not much of a people person I take it..

This is slashdot - what did you expect from Mr. Anonymous Coward?

-- Barbie

Re:It's extremely good. (2, Insightful)

rastos1 (601318) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852174)

You install pre-releases of software in the workplace?

If he thoroughly verified that the software works for him and his users, then what's your point? Does additional testing and "yes, it's ready" sentence from Canonical, make any difference? It makes sense to wait for the release version if you don't have resources to do the testing. OTOH having tests concluded by Canonical does not mean, that you don't have to do any testing yourself.

Re:It's extremely good. (5, Insightful)

Nemilar (173603) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851932)

This comment reads as total BS.

Let me get this straight - you're running pre-release Ubuntu on 60 production machines? Where's your boss, I think he needs to have a talk with you (and show you the door). No IT professional would be caught dead doing that. Besides, let's be honest here - most accountants and managers "require" MS Office (or some other Windows-only software), and wouldn't use Ubuntu.

And what the hell are you saying about being built on Debian, which leads to professional and real-world experience, whereas Fedora doesn't have that? Have you ever heard of RHEL?

Parent comment is bunk.

Re:It's extremely good. (2, Informative)

Rennt (582550) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852106)

Ah, but Fedora isn't based on RHEL, is it? Debian/Fedora are both community distros, and Ubuntu/RHEL are commercially supported distros based on them. Ergo Ubuntu is more "professional" then Fedora.

Re:Any good? (5, Informative)

ManiaX Killerian (134390) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851630)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625793 [launchpad.net]

If you use a second keyboard layout and switching, don't upgrade, this still isn't fixed and it's hell, at random points in time it starts rapidly changing the layout, leading to weird results in what you type.

Also there are two problems with the NVidia driver - one is that the text is horribly slow with the included driver, you need to install the beta from the site, and the other is that the nouveau driver fucks up the card and makes it impossible to use the card, so I had to revert to an older kernel. There's a bug for this too somewhere, can't remember the ID.

Re:Any good? (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851710)

Thanks for the heads-up.

After a previous kernel update once caused a kernel panic whenever I switched between wireless connections (e.g. activating hibernate at the office and reactivating the notebook back home) I'm kinda wary of these things.

Re:Any good? (1)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851758)

Any chance you could tell me where to find the second of the nouveau driver problems? Have had a quick google around, but can't see it, and I think it might be affecting a Dell Precision with 10.04.

Thanks

Re:Any good? (2, Informative)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851690)

I've been using it a couple of months on a Dell Mini 9.

The upgrade was *flawless*. I've done enough bad Ubuntu upgrades that I find this remarkable, and very cheering. Ubuntu upgrades are notoriously terrible - particularly compared to how well Debian does - and I'm glad they appear to be paying more attention now.

Using it has been just fine and absolutely smooth. I'm using standard 10.10, not the netbook version - there's no reason not to IMO.

Two thumbs up! Four stars! Upgrade, er, tomorrow, when the servers aren't melting!

Re:Any good? (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851756)

The upgrade was *flawless*.

I upgraded to the beta and I had to babysit the upgrade over about four days as they boned the package archive. LOADS of missing dependencies that caused the install to want to remove big pieces of my system, which it would probably have done with -y. You got very lucky, because my upgrades were painful. They did finally work though, and I am free of conflicts and unresolved deps... Now I'm just dealing with the bugs they introduced in this revision, like GDM not properly handling multiple monitors, or my one-of-the-most-common-models Cambridge bluetooth dongle no longer working. Well, bootsplash did vanish, and I never noticed.

It would also be nice if on fresh installs to flash media Ubuntu would automatically disable readahead. Readahead from a flash device accomplishes very little and doing it from a SLOW flash device will increase your boot time significantly, as the machine NEEDS to have something to do while it is reading from the storage device. Right now it seems like Ubuntu has nothing to improve but eye candy, and so they are doing this and don't care if they break anything in the process.

Re:Any good? (3, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851878)

Obviously the answer is to move to a Dell Mini 9.

Re:Any good? (2, Informative)

Mouldy (1322581) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851696)

I've installed it on my Acer Aspire One netbook and for the most part it has been good. The new Unity interface has some severe performance problems in my experience though. Also, Unity doesn't currently let you do much in the way of customising it via GUI tools. Adding a custom launcher [ubuntuforums.org] , for example, is quite long winded.

I'm using the standard gnome interface on my netbook now. I think Unity's got potential to become something really quite good, but I don't think it's ready yet.

Re:Any good? (1)

timmans (1288762) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851708)

I haven't used it yet but just looking at the Known Issues [ubuntu.com] in the release notes doesn't give me much confidence. I don't recall seeing this many issues with the previous final releases - is this amount of bugs normal?

Re:Any good? (2, Interesting)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851728)

It seems so far to be pretty good. It feels like a slight evolution of 10.04 rather than the huge leap 10.04 was from 9.10. There isn't a huge amount different, but that might explain why it seems much more stable than 9.10 and 10.04 were when they were initially released.

The nicest new feature is the beautiful ubuntu font.

Misleading (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851472)

Yes, but is it made with real Meerkat?

Re:Misleading (0, Offtopic)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851918)

If you want to know what has changed since the beta or what the differences are between versions head here..

http://www.comparethemeerkat.com/ [comparethemeerkat.com]

Re:Misleading (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852066)

Yes, but is it made with real Meerkat?

The full ingredient list is:

        * mechanically separated meerkat
        * partially defatted cooked meerkat fatty tissue
        * meerkat tripe
        * vinegar
        * salt
        * spices
        * sugar
        * flavorings
        * sodium erythorbate
        * sodium nitrite

Try it on saltines.

Kubuntu too! (5, Informative)

russlar (1122455) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851480)

And kubuntu 10.10 released today also! get it here [kubuntu.org]

Perfect 10 (0, Redundant)

OOSCARR (826638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851482)

10:10:10 10/10/10 Ubuntu Linux 10.10

Changes seem irrelevant... (4, Interesting)

Ender_Stonebender (60900) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851486)

As I use neither Unity nor Ubuntu One, I'm going to be sticking with 10.04, which is the latest long term support version. In fact, I think I'll even install 10.04 instead of 10.10 when I buy a new computer later this year.

I seem to recall previous, preliminary announcements claiming that there would be more items upgraded in 10.10. I wonder if I was imagining that, or if Canonical decide some of the other upgrades were not worth the effort? (Or maybe I was thinking of Xubuntu.)

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (3, Insightful)

ludwigf (1208730) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851550)

About the short number of changes: Its probably because most updates for ubuntu come from gnome and most of gnome devs are focusing on 3.0: refactoring, cleanup and not new feature.

Is Canonical Even Trying Anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851568)

Linux, Canonical, and Ubuntu seem to have completely disappeared from the mainstream computing press. And Canonical has stopped making the grand announcements about their plans and how they planned to become a mainstream consumer desktop.

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851604)

Yes, the user-space changes seem irrelevant.

But, the kernel is worth the upgrade - along with some other userspace requirements that go hand-in-hand with the kernel.
For example, the (newer?) Xorg for using newer features from the graphics/drm drivers etc.

The newer kernel gives you:
o. more h/w support (drivers moved from staging into mainline)
o. newer filesystems (ceph anyone?)
o. newer archs (tile is now included in mainline)
  - just to name a few reasons.

Granted I haven't checked what all is actually bundled, but if you can live with manually updating the kernel and the bits that go along with it, you can definitely stick with 10.04LTS provided you're not on paid support from Canonical which might get voided if you change the kernel.

As time passes by, the distro is bound to get into equilibrium - at which point, we can't expect major changes.

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (5, Insightful)

PhrstBrn (751463) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852138)

Yes, the user-space changes seem irrelevant.

But, the kernel is worth the upgrade - along with some other userspace requirements that go hand-in-hand with the kernel.
For example, the (newer?) Xorg for using newer features from the graphics/drm drivers etc.

If you're running 10.04, none of your applications will know how to use any of these new Xorg features. They won't know they exist

The newer kernel gives you:
o. more h/w support (drivers moved from staging into mainline)

My hardware already works if I'm already running 10.04. Why would I need more hardware support?

o. newer filesystems (ceph anyone?)

Why does my desktop need ceph? Ext4 is plenty good for a desktop. If I'm running a server, why would I be changing the configuration of a production machine? Am I really going to be upgrading everything to ceph?

o. newer archs (tile is now included in mainline)

Whoo, now I can upgrade my x86-64 to a tile processor! This is the feature I needed!

- just to name a few reasons.

Granted I haven't checked what all is actually bundled, but if you can live with manually updating the kernel and the bits that go along with it, you can definitely stick with 10.04LTS provided you're not on paid support from Canonical which might get voided if you change the kernel.

As time passes by, the distro is bound to get into equilibrium - at which point, we can't expect major changes.

NONE of these reasons compel me to upgrade 10.04 a 10.10 on an already working, functional system. The only good reason would be if your hardware wasn't supported in the older kernel, but I'm assuming you wouldn't be using Ubuntu if your hardware wasn't supported.

The only thing left to care about is userspace changes, but it sounds like the userspace changes are minor.

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (5, Informative)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851620)

I find it frustrating that a more complete list of new features and new versions isn't listed with the announcement. I found this blog posting : http://linux.gauravlive.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-whats-new/ [gauravlive.com]

Gnome 2.32
KDE 4.5.0 (QT 4.7)
Default KDE browser Rekonq
Pulse Audio is the default sound server
Firefox 3.6.9
OpenOffice 3.2.1
Evolution 2.30.3
F-Spot => Shotwell
Btrfs now available (though, this is still experimental)
kernel 2.6.35-22.33
X.org version 1.9

Just rolled the version numbers? (0)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851820)

The biggest change is just that they're keeping up to date with all the new stuff that's happening around them. I haven't seen any posts or "official" Ubuntu messages which say: If you upgrade to 10l10, you will be able to do X, Y and Z that you couldn't do before and A, B and C will be better / faster / less buggy.

On that basis, it looks like they're selling the features, not the benefits. So since they can't tell me what the benefits are I can't see a compelling reason to adopt it.

Re:Just rolled the version numbers? (0)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852308)

On that basis, it looks like they're selling the features, not the benefits.

Well, after copying their interface from Apple, why would you not expect them to copy their marketing strategy from Microsoft?

-- Barbie

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852190)

So then, they weren't able to roll the new broadcom drivers into this release? That was my main interest in upgrading.

Re:Changes seem irrelevant... (1)

GF678 (1453005) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851646)

The main reason why I try to use the latest version of Ubuntu is mainly due to having the latest kernel and packages. The latest kernel is obvious - bug fixes in things like filesystems, drivers and other lower-level components are rather important. Regarding packages, it's an unfortunate fact that despite PPAs, it's still a bitch to keep up to date with the latest versions of most software. Ubuntu generally only packages security and minor version updates for things, and that's generally not enough for a desktop Linux distro where a lot of applications are undergoing fast-paced development, with major changes between versions.

That and the fact, from my experience at least, Canonical has a habit of leaving anything that's critically broken in an older version of Ubuntu and instead focusing on the latest distro. LTS versions are useless if all they're getting are security updates but half-implemented functionality is only being finished in later releases.

Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (2, Interesting)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851492)

As a photographer, I like Shotwell. As a programmer, I like it a little more than the mono updates that come along with f-spot (and I don't like Miguel).

But here's what's kept me from abandoning gthumb2 for shotwell. Shotwell keeps pictures in ~/Pictures by default. There is no way for it to randomly pick up a directory and operate on it. I've often thought about hacking that up, but for Vala & the associated learning curve I've been too lazy to tackle.

And now, for an encore can we kick tomboy too out of the CD?

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (5, Informative)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851534)

Make sure you don't care about what's in ~/Pictures
rm -rf ~/Pictures
ln -s [folder you care about] ~/Pictures

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (5, Informative)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851562)

Oh, and before someone rabbles "ITS THE COMMAND LINE THIS IS WHY LINUX IS NOT READY FOR THE DESKTOP RAGAGEDHDHA" there's a GUI way to do it: Right click the folder in nautilus and click Make Link, you'll get a shortcut. Delete the Pictures folder, cut and paste that link file that was made and rename it to Pictures.

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (0, Offtopic)

GF678 (1453005) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851692)

Oh, and before someone rabbles "ITS THE COMMAND LINE THIS IS WHY LINUX IS NOT READY FOR THE DESKTOP RAGAGEDHDHA" there's a GUI way to do it: Right click the folder in nautilus and click Make Link, you'll get a shortcut. Delete the Pictures folder, cut and paste that link file that was made and rename it to Pictures./blockquote?
Do you see the irony in your comment? You've tried to negate the predictable complaints about having to use the command line to fix something - by providing instructions on how to workaround a bug (it's a bug as far as I'm concerned) with a program that comes standard with Ubuntu now.

In other words, you haven't nullified the argument that Linux isn't ready for the desktop at all, because the workaround provided shouldn't even be necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE. No wonder people get tired of this shit. At least we have the choice to use another app I suppose

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851720)

I know of another OS that claims to be ready for the desktop, where the developers of some software hard code C: for name of hard disk. some software only allows serial ports named COM1 to COM3, etc.

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (3, Insightful)

JonJ (907502) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851800)

Yeah, it's not like we ever have to pull a fast one with Windows software either. It's always perfect and bug free ain't it?

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851826)

Well, I seem to recall that Windows apps putting stuff in stupid places* without giving you any choice is the reason why you need administrator permission all the time in Windows...

* Well, at least a lot stupider than putting pictures in a folder under your home dir, named "Pictures".

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851906)

at least linux has symlinks.

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (3, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851938)

Do you see the irony in your comment? You've tried to negate the predictable complaints about having to use the command line to fix something - by providing instructions on how to workaround a bug (it's a bug as far as I'm concerned) with a program that comes standard with Ubuntu now.

In other words, you haven't nullified the argument that Linux isn't ready for the desktop at all, because the workaround provided shouldn't even be necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE. No wonder people get tired of this shit. At least we have the choice to use another app I suppose

First, it's not a bug. It's a feature that doesn't exist that he would like to exist. There is a difference between a bug and a feature request.

Next, the reason use CLI stuff to explain something is because it's faster. The post describing how to do it via CLI was two lines long. The post explaining how to do it in the GUI was much more than that.

...because the workaround provided shouldn't even be necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE...

So every piece of software should do everything that everyone might want it to do?

This workaround offers a feature enhancement, not a bug fix, as I've said before. Can you explain how to get any number of windows, import photo applications to import to different folder? Is it even possible? Well, when you are done with your instructions, go ahead and answer the "because the workaround provided shouldn't even be necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE" you brought up because it didn't know where I wanted the images copied before I told it.

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1)

Vaphell (1489021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851724)

wtf, there is an option to change the collection dir in shotwell preferences, don't bother with symlinking

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (2, Informative)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852056)

The preferences dialog didn't come until 0.6.1, the GP posts are probably using the older version.

  The newer binaries for Lucid (and Maverick) are here [launchpad.net] .

SB

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852176)

Compare:

rm -rf ~/Pictures
ln -s [folder you care about] ~/Pictures

To

Right click the folder in nautilus and click Make Link, you'll get a shortcut. Delete the Pictures folder, cut and paste that link file that was made and rename it to Pictures.

Which instructions are really easier to follow?

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851706)

That's a cool (and obvious) workaround, but it doesn't solve the basic deficiency of a tool that has to be used in a specific way which conflicts with many people's workflow. Ubuntu is on the "two steps back" model.

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851636)

you can change the dir in preferences, at least that's what i see in my VMed Maverick
but if your complain is about shotwell requiring a single dir to manage the whole collection, i see your point

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851978)

Please excuse my ignorance, but why do I often read about peoples dislike for Miguek de Icaza? I tried Google, but just came away impressed by the things he has done! Please enlighten me, I would like to get rid of my respect/like for the chap!

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852380)

He is an unabashed, unapologetic Microsoft shill who is pushing the programming equivalent of the Sword of Damocles over Linux.

Having a perpetually second-rate .NET implementation (hi, WPF) is only going to push people toward Windows, and away from Linux.

It's also bloated, slow, and will likely one day add fuel to any patent fire if Microsoft ever decides to go that route. Of course a pre-requisite of that would be Linux gaining a significant market share first, so that may be much ado about nothing.

PS, do you always refer to yourself in the third person, Miguel?

Re:Shotwell instead of f-spot, almost Yay (1)

M3lf.cz (983459) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852098)

Also, Shotwell currently has no support for tagging video files.

10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851508)

Over the past year or so it has become clear that even on heavy open source/Linux focused sites like Slashdot that the fanatical enthusiasm for desktop Linux that existed throughout the 2000s has mostly dissipated into a resignation that the dream is dead. OS X continues to leave Linux far, far behind in marketshare in the consumer space. And Windows 7 has squashed the now unrealistic dreams from the Vista days that consumers would abandon Microsoft for Linux.

One just has to look at how Google took the Linux core and created a single stable set of APIs and development tools and have come to dominate the cellphone market in sales in just a couple of years and wonder what could have been with desktop Linux if it hadn't been for the juvenile license wars, API and desktop manager wars, and spinning cubes instead of real world usability that sums up most of the past decade of Linux development.

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (2, Insightful)

RingBus (1912660) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851602)

Windows 7 really has sucked the enthusiasm out of the push to get people to migrate to Linux. The huge amount of progress Microsoft has made with security and stability have left very little reason for the average home computer user to make a change.

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (1, Troll)

hydrofix (1253498) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851694)

Except that when you use Microsoft products you have to upgrade your hardware twice as often. And if you use Mac you also pay twice as much for the same hardware. There are still plenty of good reasons to use FOSSOS.

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (4, Insightful)

siride (974284) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852140)

My experience is that the same is now true for Linux. Running modern distros on older hardware requires using esoteric window managers and special settings, or else you have to deal with the same sluggishness and hard-drive grinding that you have to deal with on Windows. Also, the GUI is generally much less responsive than on Windows, making it feel even slower. Again, you can tweak and tweak and tweak until it is more acceptable, but will the average user do this?

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852346)

Except that people are still using XP unless they buy a new computer.

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (3, Insightful)

selven (1556643) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851730)

I'd be willing to bet that the only reason Windows 7 is any good is because of the competition from Linux. Even if you don't use Linux you still benefit from it.

I'll take that bet and raise you ten. (3, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852094)

I'd be willing to bet that the only reason Windows 7 is any good is because of the competition from Linux.

Linux is scarcely a blib on the radar.

On the monthly Statcounter GLobal Stats [statcounter.com] , Linux ranks lower than "Other." It is falling off the edge of the world.

What drives Microsoft onward is it's thirty year run with Apple.

Re:I'll take that bet and raise you ten. (3, Insightful)

schnablebg (678930) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852198)

Both Apple and Linux. Microsoft has serious competition of OS X in the desktop space, and from Linux in the server space. The Microsoft server offerings got orders of magnitude better when Linux starting taking off.

Re:10 Years On - The Dream Is Dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852212)

I'd be willing to bet that the only reason Windows 7 is any good is because of the competition from Linux..

What competition.....?

Announcing ubuntu releases (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851530)

Every ubuntu release is announced here. Even RC ones. Why? Other operating systems and distributions are not. And is it news? I can tell you today: in six month ubuntu 11.04 will get released.

Re:Announcing ubuntu releases (5, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851598)

Fedora: 12-beta [slashdot.org] , 12 [slashdot.org] , 13-alpha [slashdot.org] , 13 [slashdot.org] -

Windows: Vista SP2 [slashdot.org] , 7 date announced [slashdot.org] , 7 beta [slashdot.org] , 7 [slashdot.org] .

Mac OSX: Tiger [slashdot.org] , Snow Leopard [slashdot.org]

You were saying?

Idiot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851666)

Go away dumbshit.

Where are the the minor point release stories for all the other major Linux distributions?

Huh? What's that dumbass? Can't find those links?

You can shut the fuck up now.

Re:Announcing ubuntu releases (3, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851650)

Well, Ubuntu, like it or not, is the most popular linux distribution (that, or its users just have very loud mouths). I honestly don't see what the big deal about Ubuntu is anymore. Linux Mint does a much better job at being easy-to-use right out of the box (and doesn't make stupid design decisions involving window buttons... cough cough). For the more geek-inclined, Fedora is a very un-assuming distribution and makes for a much less awkward first experience compared to Ubuntu. And for the extremely geek-inclined, Arch Linux and just plain-ol-Debian are awesomeness. I'm using Arch right now, and if you can get it set up right the first time (thanks to their awesome documentation), you get a rolling release system with constant updates and a gigantic user repository of packages (I even maintain some packages for them, and it is to stupidly easy to make a pacman package that I'm never going back to deb/rpm)!

Thankfully, it's incredibly easy to distro-hop if you don't like the current distribution you're using enough ;)

Re:Announcing ubuntu releases (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851670)

Do us all a favor and die in a fire. Thanks.

Re:Announcing ubuntu releases (4, Informative)

Thumper_SVX (239525) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851732)

Although I would tend to agree with you, I use KUbuntu 10.04 today on my laptop and my MythTV box at home. Simply put, they're well put together, well supported and don't suffer from some of the strange GUI ideas that Canonical put in the regular Ubuntu (which shooed me away from it for a LONG time I might add).

I have used Macs for years, and still have my Macbook Pro for a few applications I just can't get under Linux (for example my own business is mostly managed using iRatchet, and I still haven't got a good way to get music and podcasts to my iPhone from Linux) but it took playing with KUbuntu on my laptop to convince me that Linux was ready for me to return. I used to run all kinds of distros... I have run Fedora numerous times, Gentoo, Redhat... you name it. I like the fact that for the most part Kubuntu gets out of my way and lets me get my work done the same way OSX does. I've had a couple of issues with wireless network not working after updates, but I find a second reboot usually clears that up. Other than that, it's rock solid stable, gets me better battery life than Windows 7 on the same hardware and generally just works like an operating system should.

Of course, freedom of choice is what Linux is all about anyway... and yes Mint is a great distro as well. However, I found that if I have a problem with Kubuntu it's usually much easier to find answers than it is for Mint simply because of the larger community of users.

Re:Announcing ubuntu releases (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851700)

Every ubuntu release is announced here. Even RC ones. Why? Other operating systems and distributions are not.

Not true. Announcements are also posted here for every minor tweak to BeOS and AmigaOS.

Are all these versions needed? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851590)

Isn't it possible just to release these changes as updates instead of needing a new installation and reconfigure some options? Maybe the geeks out there are comfy with this, but I'm not an expert and updating my OS version sounds a bit frightening.

Re:Are all these versions needed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852356)

The Update Manager tells you when a new OS release is available. You click the button that says you'd like to install it and let it go. Unless you're running a very modified or abnormal setup, that's pretty much all there is to it.

Needs 5 more language translations (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851624)

If only the great computer programme had forseen the future, it would have translated its creation into five additional languages.

Slashdotted already (4, Interesting)

hydrofix (1253498) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851626)

It seems that at least from my location in Northern Europe the ISOs are not downloadable due to the server having been already Slashdotted. But luckily the files are also avaialble as official .Torrents [ubuntu.com] . Download speed currently 3MB/s, or the absolute maximum my DSL can handle.

cough (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851658)

I was wondering why I couldn't connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.org today ...

It seems I got it last night (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851678)

I started when it went beta and every night since I finally got my upgrade ironed out (it took days before they got the package database in order such that you could actually complete an upgrade and not have packages trying to remove themselves) I've been doing

sudo at midnight
aptitude update && aptitude -y dist-upgrade
^D

Trying to upgrade today resulted in no updates, so I must be running final.

Let's see if they fixed the bluetooth driver they broke... nope. Failed to set bluetooth power. The error reported is: Connection timed out. Thanks for breaking the world's most common bluetooth dongle, dumbshits. I see testing is alive and well at Ubuntu... wait, no it isn't. And this bug was reported multiple times, including by me, before the release, but apparently replacing the working image manipulation software with one that uses a hardcoded directory for your library was more important than fixing bugs that they created since Lucid.

The market is ready for a Debian derivative that cares about stability and bugfixes. Ubuntu is like Wine, they break something every time they add new functionality and you can't trust that anything will continue to work through an upgrade.

Re:It seems I got it last night (3, Insightful)

rmcd (53236) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851912)

The market is ready for a Debian derivative that cares about stability and bugfixes.

Why a derivative? Why aren't you just using Debian?

Re:It seems I got it last night (3, Interesting)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852044)

I wanted to try debian but it's simply not as accessible as Ubuntu is.

When you go to Ubuntu.com you click the "Download Ubuntu" button and then hit "start download". Done and easy.

When you go to debian.org you're greeted with information overload. Lots of completely useless information and I had to figure out that you need to go to "getting debian" link in the menu. After you're there I'm still mystified as to what I'm suppose to download. Testing? Release? No recommendation as to what to use.

You click on the stable release and i386 and it shows you a list of 31 CDs.. lol wut? I'm suppose to download them all or what?

Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click the "latest stable release of Debian" link -> intel 86 link -> ???

Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "available versions of Debian" link -> ... wait a sec that's the same as above!!

Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "getting a copy" -> oh great it's that getting debian page again..

I give up!!

Have they made GDM configurable/themeable yet? (1)

temcat (873475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851704)

In spite of devoting so much attention to eye candy, Canonical forced on us the new GDM that doesn't bring anything useful over the old one, is incredibly ugly, and cannot be configured in substantial aspects. Has the situation changed with Maverick?

I know, I know, this is only a login manager, and it works OK despite being fugly. But FFS, at least in Debian Squeeze the old GDM is one apt-get away.

Re:Have they made GDM configurable/themeable yet? (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851734)

I know, I know, this is only a login manager, and it works OK despite being fugly. But FFS, at least in Debian Squeeze the old GDM is one apt-get away.

It works "OK" at best. I have dual monitors. Boot happens on primary display. X comes up with the cursor one pixel to the right of center which puts it on the secondary display. The GDM menu (top or bottom of the screen, as configured) appears on the secondary display. The user chooser shows up on the primary display. This is the most goofy version of Ubuntu since the bad old days before Edgy, everything is like this. Bootsplash just went away during my upgrade, is it supposed to be text-only or did they just bone the package database sometime during my upgrade cycle? I get some kind of elf error on boot that's in the middle of the screen because their text bootsplash doesn't put the cursor someplace sane in between updates to the throbber. They're crapping it up and breaking things (see rants about bluetooth dongle, which works perfectly on Lucid, even audio works, but they broke it in Maverick) to the point where I want to go back to Debian.

Re:Have they made GDM configurable/themeable yet? (3, Informative)

Vaphell (1489021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851766)

customization of the login screen? It was made obsolete by the gnome devs not by canonical and the reason for that was faster boot time. Yes, this sucks, I liked keyboard only logging but ubuntu team is not guilty here (unless you think they should keep and maintain legacy software)

I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851954)

Why would I want to buy lossy, artificially degraded MP3 music from Canonical's service? This goes for 99% of online stores too. If I want a CD, I buy it used from amazon for under $5. This has three advantages.

A. I screw over the record label and avoid supporting them.
B. I get better quality and a more flexible format.
C. It is so much cheaper!

Do note that I go out of my way to avoid funding the entertainment industry as much as possible.

Re:I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852294)

Do note that I go out of my way to avoid funding the entertainment industry as much as possible.

ur fukin kool bro

Maverick Meerkat??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33851980)

I thought we all agreed it was going to be named "Masturbating Monkey"! Oh well... I guess I'll just wait for Naughty Nymph to come out...

Still ships with rsyslog 4.2 (3, Informative)

gravyface (592485) | more than 3 years ago | (#33851998)

Which was released over a year ago. For those of you wanting to do syslog email alerts, grab the latest .deb from Debian Squeeze.

Can I now setup a RAID without groupware? (1)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852030)

Since 8.10 (at least) running apt-get install mdadm from a base install implies that a groupware app (citadel) is installed. Wondering if that's been fixed?

New font (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852070)

I really like the new font. It cheers me up when i look at it and it's very easy to read it.

Next Ubuntu release (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33852208)

In keeping with the [Adjective] [Animal] naming scheme, the next major release will be Nasty Negro.

my test (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33852390)

This is my testing standard. If this version can finally install Java into Firefox without a linux noobie but windows pro like me having to taking a half hour reading instructions on the internet and doing commands manually because the root mode isn't triggering properly in the GUI for necessary file operations, then it's a good version. Anyone get a chance to test that? That was my big problem with 9 as well as not having any way by default to just log in as root and run some installers and other admin tasks.
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