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Iran Acknowledges Espionage At Nuclear Facilities

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the oh-what-harm-can-a-few-nukes-do dept.

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wiredmikey writes "Iran acknowledged Saturday that some personnel at the country's nuclear facilities were lured by promises of money to pass secrets to the West but insisted increased security and worker privileges have put a stop to the spying. The stunning admission by Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi provides the clearest government confirmation that Iran has been fighting espionage at its nuclear facilities."

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Nuclear facilities? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857446)

First I heard about em. I just kept telling people they were nuts to believe it.

Re:Nuclear facilities? (3, Interesting)

X-Power (1009277) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857452)

Iran never tried to deny that they were building nuclear facilities, they just claim that its for nuclear energy and not weapons.

yeah, we know.... (-1, Redundant)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857456)

Re:yeah, we know.... (-1, Redundant)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857460)

Oops bad me... I could have sworn this was a double post. Feel free to mod me into oblivion.

Re:yeah, we know.... (1)

gyaku_zuki (1778282) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857498)

I think you were the target of some espionage....

Re:yeah, we know.... (1)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857522)

You should get +1 Recursive, not -1 Redundant.

Re:yeah, we know.... (0, Offtopic)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857686)

You sire, are my new best friend :D

Re:yeah, we know.... (1)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858170)

You can say that again... and again... and again.

Don't go to the West... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857464)

it's a trap!

Obviously (4, Funny)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857472)

Iran is being spied upon. And in other news, horoscopes are fake and pie is delicious.

Re:Obviously (5, Funny)

The_mad_linguist (1019680) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857484)

My horoscope says that delicious pies are spying on Iran!

Who can I trust?!

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857590)

My horoscope says that delicious pies are spying on Iran!

Who can I trust?!

You must be reading the Soviet Russia [pravda.ru] horoscope.

Re:Obviously (1)

david.given (6740) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857978)

Trust Nemo.

Honestly, if you can't trust a fictious post-traumatic stress disorder victim vigilante with his own nuclear-powered submarine, who can you trust?

Re:Obviously (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858596)

I didn't know Captain Nemo was an Iranian, until I watched LXG. I guess they had a nuclear program way back in the 19th Century...

Re:Obviously (1)

david.given (6740) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858872)

Actually he's Indian (go read The Mysterious Island).

Re:Obviously (4, Funny)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858006)

Well clearly, you can trust these people: Ahmadinejad, Bush, Putin, Obama, Cheney, Limbaugh, Krugman, Bernanke, Geithner, Beck and such.

Re:Obviously (-1, Troll)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858382)

You forgot Reid, Pelosi, Emanuel, Obama, Clinton, Clinton, Biden, Franken, Soros, Schwarzenegger, Kennedy, Saletan, Colmes, Press, Hartmann, Schultz, Miller, Rhodes, Moulitsas, Cooper, Walters, Klein, Huffington, Moulitsas, Blades/Boyd, , and of course those nutjobs from WCPT...

The preceding list is not all-inclusive, naturally, as I'm sure yours isn't either. I just found it interesting that you were modded "funny" for a bunch of partisan hackery, so please enjoy this counterbalance.

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33858490)

umad?

Re:Obviously (4, Insightful)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858498)

lol, the guy mentioned obama in the list (and krugman), and you're all 'you forgot obama, you partisan hack'.

someone's a partisan hack here, and it aint the guy you were replying to.

Re:Obviously (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858678)

I didn't know that Ahmadinejad and Putin became members of US Republicans, but it's not surprising.

Also I am pretty sure that while Krugman is a Keynesian shamanistic hack, Obama, Bernanke and Geithner do really belong on the Republican list, after all they are the guys bailing out banks and printing stimulus to pass to the large monopolies, of-course Obama just continued what Bush started, but he did continue it.

As to Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck, didn't you see, I said:

you can trust these people

- so there you go, are you satisfied. Just because I am moderated as funny, doesn't mean that you also didn't get what you wanted - a definite endorsement of who to trust, right?

P.S.

You know, I do actually trust that Christine O'Donnel is not a witch, I just don't think she is me.

Re:Obviously (1)

iceborer (684929) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858868)

The preceding list is not all-inclusive, naturally, as I'm sure yours isn't either. I just found it interesting that you were modded "funny" for a bunch of partisan hackery, so please enjoy this counterbalance.

Goddamit, where is the +1 Irony moderation?!?

Re:Obviously (1)

bigrockpeltr (1752472) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858322)

obviously its those darn undercovers pies that are spying on Iran!

Re:Obviously (3, Interesting)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857486)

The secret to a good pie crust is 1/4 cup of vodka in place of some of the water. Of course, it burns off in the oven, so if you have an alcoholic at turkey dinner this year, you really don't have to tell them.

Re:Obviously (2, Funny)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857514)

I wonder what else you put in the food and don't tell the relatives... Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Obviously (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857570)

Just curious - how does it work?

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33858756)

It provides moisture for the crust to allow it to be rolled out, without adding water, which reacts with the gluten in the flour and would make the dough tough. You want "some" gluten activated, but not as much as you'd get if you made the dough moist enough to roll out with out tearing. gluten is not water soluble, so the vodka is "wet" but not "water.

See, for example, Alton Brown's books/show..

Re:Obviously (0)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857620)

Of course, it burns off in the oven

This is a dangerous myth (Mythbusters, here's some new material) that it all burns off. Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go? Into the food!

It's dangerous for diabetics, pregnants, and young children (studies show it inhibits brain development) mostly though. 1/4 cup of vodka is a blip to everyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_with_alcohol [wikipedia.org]

Re:Obviously (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857632)

it burns off in the oven

Calm down, man, he knows this. So he drinks it before putting the pie in the oven.

Re:Obviously (1)

weicco (645927) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857672)

Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go?

Through cooling process into a bottle (why waste good stuff?). There is proceeds through my mouth into my stomach. After a couple of hours it ventures on to the sewer system if I only remembered to unzip my pants. Usually it just soaks in to my jeans.

Re:Obviously (4, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857696)

Of course, it burns off in the oven

This is a dangerous myth (Mythbusters, here's some new material) that it all burns off. Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go? Into the food!

It's dangerous for diabetics, pregnants, and young children (studies show it inhibits brain development) mostly though. 1/4 cup of vodka is a blip to everyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_with_alcohol [wikipedia.org]

That 1/4 cup in a pie crust typically gets cut into 8 slices. So each slice has 1/32 of a cup or about 7.4 mL. According to the wikipedia article, if you cook the pie for only 15 minutes 40% of the alcohol remains which means 4 mL per pie slice. I suppose that could still be dangerous to some, but it's nothing like serving 1/4 cup straight to a person.

Re:Obviously (1)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857758)

This thread is relative to my interests.

Re:Obviously (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858470)

Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go?

Well, according to the wikipedia article you quoted - part of the alcohol does not stay in the food. If you'd bake something for an hour you'd have only 25% of the alcohol left. So where did the 75% go?

Re:Obviously (2, Insightful)

doctorfaustus (103662) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858800)

Have you never opened an oven after baking, say, a frozen pizza, and had the escaping moist heat cloud up your glasses? That's where it goes.

Re:Obviously (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858524)

You are comparing dishes with alcohol in the sauce (which forms an azeotrope and so does not all evaporate off unless all of the sauce evaporates), with alcohol in a dough. If you are worried about the trace amounts left after this, then you shouldn't eat bread, which also contains alcohol before it is baked.

Re:Obviously (2, Informative)

ffreeloader (1105115) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858622)

Especially in an oven, where is the alcohol gonna go?

For those people, like you, who have never used an oven, air circulation is designed into all ovens. There is no door seal around the bottom of the oven door, and there is a vent built into the roof of the oven that exits, in the vast majority of cases, under the right rear burner. If there were no air circulation in an oven nothing would brown on top, such as cookies, cakes, turkey, chicken, etc... and nothing would cook evenly.

Turn on your oven and let it warm up. Then put your hand over the right rear burner and you will feel the warm air rising. For those of you with glass top ranges the oven will vent elsewhere, usually out the back.

So where does the alcohol go? It evaporates into the air in the oven and exits the oven through the vent, as the wiki article only mentions cases where the alcohol is NOT stirred into the mixture or the dish is removed from the heat as soon as the alcohol is added, and if you had ever made a pie crust from scratch you'd know that the water used is part and parcel of the dough of the pie crust itself. That alone removes it from the wiki list of examples. Furthermore, a baked pie crust is very dry without the filling, meaning the liquid used to make the dough has been evaporated during the baking process, and alcohol evaporates faster than water so it is the first liquid to evaporate. And, yes, you bake the crust before you add the filling.

Re:Obviously (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858302)

Do you mean in place of 1/4 cup of water?

Steaming pies wrapped in horoscopes are doing es-pie-onage jobs on Iran.

Pie rats report on usage of tons of disputed topping being readied for pizza delivery.

Like a pizza, it can be used to show how much is intended for domestic and foreign consumption.

Also like a pizza, it can be used to make Klee faces of the leader.

Work continues on pizza delivery vehicles for all occasions.

Re:Obviously (0, Redundant)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857528)

Iran is being spied upon. And in other news, horoscopes are fake and pie is delicious.

Horoscopes aren't fake, they're a real thing. They're right there in the back of the newspaper every day, it's the predictions that are fake. The horoscopes themselves are perfectly real, why you'd think otherwise confuses me.

Also the deliciousness depends on the kind of pie, like for example I doubt that a dish soap/spam pie would be particularly delicious.

Really I've got nothing to add other than: "yes, people spy on countries that are perceived as 'dangerous' "

Re:Obviously (1)

wmac (1107843) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857584)

Your statements totally make sense :)

People spy on countries that are perceived as 'dangerous'??????!!!

In that case every single country should spy on US because no other country has been that dangerous to human kind!!

Re:Obviously (2, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857626)

In that case every single country should spy on US because no other country has been that dangerous to human kind!!

Except that there's no need to spy - it's not like they're being very covert about their actions and intentions. It's more like "Fuck you, I'll do what I want - I'm America! Americaaaaa, FUCK YEAH!!!".

Re:Obviously (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858036)

America will be online very soon. And my karma shall burn. Teehee :)

Re:Obviously (1)

ffreeloader (1105115) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858700)

America will be online very soon. And my karma shall burn. Teehee :)

Why is that? With your attitude you have nothing but bad karma anyway.

Re:Obviously (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858096)

Team America was a warning, not a manual!

Re:Obviously (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858388)

But the secret signal is so practical!

Re:Obviously (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858512)

In that case every single country should spy on US because no other country has been that dangerous to human kind!!

Whatever makes you think that they don't?

Sure, there are some Third-World hellholes that can't afford a pot to piss in that don't bother to spy on us, but it's probably safe to say that everyone else (including our allies) spies on us.

And for that matter, that we spy on everyone else (including our allies).

All that said, I think it's fairly safe to say that the USSR, China, and Germany have managed to do in far more people each than the USA has managed during its entire existance. If I were looking for a country that fits the bill "no other country has been that dangerous to human kind!!", I don't think I'd be looking in North America, frankly.

Re:Obviously (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858536)

Most countries do spy on the USA, even her allies (who also spy on each other). Do you honestly think that they don't?

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857610)

it's the predictions that are fake.

The predictions aren't fake, they're right there in the paper.

Re:Obviously (2, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857642)

Iran is being spied upon. And in other news, horoscopes are fake and pie is delicious.

Horoscopes aren't fake, they're a real thing. They're right there in the back of the newspaper every day, it's the predictions that are fake. The horoscopes themselves are perfectly real, why you'd think otherwise confuses me.

The predictions aren't fake either. They're right there in the horoscope section of your newspaper. They may never come true, but they are real predictions. I may predict that nobody is going to respond to this post and that prediction may end up being true or false, but the prediction in itself is a real prediction. It's the believe horoscope predictions become true that is fake. Why you'd think otherwise confuses me.

Re:Obviously (2, Informative)

georgeb (472989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857874)

It's the believe horoscope predictions become true that is fake. Why you'd think otherwise confuses me.

You're all wrong. Nothing is fake. The belief is real as well. Unfounded by all means, most probably false, but not fake. Very few people fake their belief in horoscopes, most likely the authors (as long as they get their paycheck). But the target audience does genuinely believe there's some truth to the predictions in their horoscopes.

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857784)

Really I've got nothing to add other than: "yes, people spy on countries that are perceived as 'dangerous' "

That's pretty obvious. And even then that's redundant.

Re:Obviously (1)

geogob (569250) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858104)

Really I've got nothing to add other than: "yes, people spy on countries that are perceived as 'dangerous' "

I knew it! That's why France must be spying on Canada...

Re:Obviously (1)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858632)

the predictions are real too, they're just random and not accurate or precise.

Setting the bar low (2, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857502)

It's amazing how little we require of foreign powers these days, in order to believe that they're making some sort of tremendous admission. I blame the Iraqi Information Minister [welovethei...nister.com] for causing us to set the bar so low.

No really? (1)

golden age villain (1607173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857512)

The stunning admission by Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi provides the clearest government confirmation that Iran has been fighting espionage at its nuclear facilities.

Truly amazing indeed...

In other news The Pope acknowledges he is Catholic (1)

seeker_1us (1203072) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857526)

Seriously. It's no secret that alot of countries are concerned about Iran's nuclear program because (and likely so) they are worried it is for development of nuclear weapons. Of course there are going to be attempts to get information, and part of that is going to be attempting to buy secrets.

More than that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857548)

I think that even if they would not have found any spies, Iran would say that they have. "People probably are spying on us... But we can't find any. Let's at least bluff that we've found and punished some in order too keep some credibility and justify stricter control over the workers..."

Famous last words (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857546)

"Now, these routes have been blocked. The possibility of information leaking is almost impossible now," Salehi was quoted as saying.

I am frankly amazed that anybody would risk getting caught spying in Iran given that they were going to stone a woman to death because she may or may not have cheated on her husband after he died of natural causes. Or is it a double standard: one woman commits a sex crime and they go all mediaeval on her but one of the guys steals nuclear secrets and gets a slap on the wrist?

Re:Famous last words (1)

wmac (1107843) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857596)

Died of natural causes?!!! Where did you bring that? He died because they killed him!!! If I should judge you based on this bold section I should not accept other parts of your message.

Re:Famous last words (2, Funny)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857698)

"He died because they killed him!!!"

"Natural Sharia causes".

Four reasons (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857774)

That can be summed up as MICE:

Money. This is an easy one to understand. People are greedy. You find the right kind of person and toss the right amount of money (surprisingly too much can be as ineffective as too little) at them, they'll do it. Yes it is dangerous but then people get in to drug trafficking all the time and that is dangerous even if you don't take jail in to account. The money makes it attractive to some.

Ideology. Some people disagree with the ideals of their government. Some REALLY disagree. This is true in any nation, but Iran probably has more problems than most. If you've not noticed their government has been having a bit of a popularity problem lately to the point of massive protests and fixed elections. So someone may decide it is worth the risk to help a nation they see as having the proper ideology, a nation that can maybe help against the government in Iran.

Conscience. Most humans have one, even if it sometimes has a rather strange calibration. When someone's conscience is offended enough, they may go and do things like espionage despite the risks. Perhaps some people are really worried, they suspect that the reactors will be used for weapons, and they think the government is crazy enough to use them. They don't want to see their country destroyed, so they try and help other nations to put a stop to the nuclear program.

Ego. Some people will do it just for pure ego, just for the thrill basically. They figure they can get away with it, they are smarter than the government, whatever, just pure ego drives them. Stupid? Sure, but then think about how many cases of pure ego pushing people to do stupid things you've seen.

That is just how it goes. Punishments don't matter. The US managed to spy on the Soviet Union successfully plenty, and the punishment there was death after torture basically (torture wasn't official, just a part of the interrogation basically). Spying has been going on forever, and will probably continue to do so. It is generally dealt with very harshly (death is an extremely common sentence in history) but it still happens.

Re:Four reasons (1)

Chocky2 (99588) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857840)

"Coercion" or "compromise" usually, rather than conscience, which would tend to fall under ideology, whereas coercion is primarily blackmail/initmidation/etc

You forgot one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857906)

Extortion
First of all, to be fair, the Soviet Union had by far the best espionage apparatus ever and one method they used (and that Russia still does, at least in one minor but recent instance) was to have young, attractive women lure targets into extramarital relationships, which obviously gave them enormous leverage. The target became emotionally fucked up and with threats of explicit photos being sent to the target's wife, they became very, very cooperative. During the cold war, some US diplomats in the Soviet Union supposedly even willingly revealed secrets in return for sex. The KGB had plenty of women that were willing to do anything for "Mother Russia".

Re:You forgot one (1)

Chocky2 (99588) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857950)

"The KGB had plenty of women that were willing to do anything for "Mother Russia"."
Yep, Anna Chapman even went so far as becoming a realtor, *shudder*.

Many nations intelligence services still use honey-pots, indeed only a couple of weeks ago a Rabbi ruled it was okay for the Israeli intelligence services to do this. Israel & Russia (nee USSR) may have excelled at it for decades, but even the various Western European & North American agencies aren't too averse to a technique that's been proven time & again to work very effectively.

Re:Four reasons (2, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858134)

Doing something for money doesn't mean you are doing it out of greed. Debt(and often times not even your own debt) drives people to do things they would never ever have considered otherwise. Just look at Van Tuong Nguyen [wikipedia.org] . The guy smuggled drugs through Singapore to help repay his BROTHERS debt even though he knew he was risking serious penalties if caught. Well he did get caught and it ended up costing him his life.

Thats why the number one cause of people getting denied/losing their security clearance in the US is debt(the second being criminal history). It's just too easy to gain leverage over that person.

Re:Famous last words (1)

georgeb (472989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857884)

Sex crime?? Did she rape anybody? How on earth is having consensual sex with an adult considered a crime... Of course, in Islam everything a woman does can be construed as a crime.

Re:Famous last words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33858504)

Unlike in the US, where just showing your boobs is enough of a sex crime. Worse if you under eighteen, doubly worse if you took a picture of your boobs. What's more, you can get anyone into jail and on a lifetime record in a sex criminal list by SMSing your boob pictures to them then calling the police.

Re:Famous last words (1)

georgeb (472989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858640)

Oh yes, indeed. Showing your boobs in public in the US is treated the same as it is in Iran, isn't it.

I heard they have naturist clubs about 5 miles outside Tehran too. Not to mention Iran's Mardi Gras. Wow, it was a blast last year.

Re:Famous last words (1)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858818)

that's right AC, compare STONING A WOMAN TO DEATH for a private act to the public act whose consequences are nothing compared to being stoned to death. Or lashes, maybe they'll just give her 40 lashes and leave her physically disfigured. Or dump acid in her face. Yup, those are so comparable.

"Acknowledges" ... (2, Insightful)

Angostura (703910) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857600)

... seems a rather odd word for a news source to use in this context. I probably would have gone with "claims" unless the Washington Post has concrete sources saying that such espionage has occurred.

Re:"Acknowledges" ... (1)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857798)

The WaPo has a lot of ties to the establishment. It's almost certain that they have off-the-record knowledge of the extent of American (and probably other countries') espionage against Iran.

Re:"Acknowledges" ... (-1, Troll)

georgeb (472989) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857910)

Pentagon: Hey there Mahmoud, how's it going? Dude, look over there, see that nuclear plant? We totally infiltrated that.
Tehran: No you did not! We have strict security protocols, no spy would ever get access to that facility?
Pentagon: Oh yeah? Are you sure about that? Coz my boys over here beg to differ. See, we have all these documents...
Tehran: Let me take a look...
Pentagon: Here.
Tehran: Oh... you know what? These things are real... we'd better execute the chief of security. Oh, by the way. Barack, thanks for disclosing this. We wouldn't have spotted it without your help.
Pentagon: Don't mention it dude.

Re:"Acknowledges" ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857954)

I probably would have gone with "claims" unless the Washington Post has concrete sources saying that such espionage has occurred.

Dude, you don't REALLY seriously doubt that they're being spied on, right? What do you think our secret services are for?

Re:"Acknowledges" ... (1)

Angostura (703910) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858116)

I'm absolutely sure that the U.S tries to spy on Iranian nuclear facilities. Has it successful turned a number of facility workers? No idea, probably, but I've only got the Iranian spokesman's word for that. In the same way that I only really have the Iranian spokesman's word that the 'Green Revolution' was sponsored and organised by western intelligence agencies.

Just reading the headline (3, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857702)

"Iran Acknowledges Espionage At Nuclear Facilities"

From the headline, I thought Iran had admitted to espionage at foreign nuclear facilities which would have been more newsworthy.

I would be surprised (1)

maroberts (15852) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857792)

..if all governments didn't fight espionage at their nuclear facilities, including the US, France, UK, Pakistan, India etc etc

goodbye columbus, hello jabulon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857802)

you have the right to remain silent.

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Why the secrecy? (1)

pesc (147035) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857838)

But the Iranians insist the nuclear facilities are for research and civil uses. It is against islam to create nuclear weapons!

So why the secrecy? Why not be open about everything and build some trust?

Re:Why the secrecy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857944)

Why, aren't you daft.

Ask Iraq and Hans Blix about being open and building some trust.

The second it is clear that you have insufficient means to properly defend your country (or to wage a devastating retaliation onto the country of the offensive invader), you will be invaded by the very same powers who previously claimed you to have WMDs and accused you of warmongering.

Re:Why the secrecy? (1)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858698)

Theoretically you might want to keep something secret just because it's commercially valuable. I suspect they are more interested in the bomb-making side of things, though.

Re:Why the secrecy? (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858808)

I think if anyone wanted to spy on someone for copying commercially viable nuclear power plant technology, they would be spying on the French, not Iranians.

taxation without representation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857850)

that's US. that's what we have here. sound familiar?

keeping an open mind (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857892)

I'm curious about what nuclear innovations the U.S are concerned about gathering intelligence about in Iran's Nuclear program. The likely basis for Iranian Nuclear technology is Russian, but considering the isolation by the global community, Iran's determination to have a nuclear program and the threat of military intervention the pressure on the engineers must be enormous.

Despite Iran's questionable human rights record, when it comes to science and technology we should not discount Iran's achievements. May be the CIA is just curious too and are trying to asses the Iranian program. The irony of all this is would be if Iran came up with the most modern reactor design because it was a state enterprise unconcerned with the cost constraints that govern western designed commercial reactors like the AP-1000.

If, as it is alleged, Iran has built Nuclear facilities underground this alone would be a major step forward in reactor facility design.

Re:keeping an open mind (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858054)

More likely the US cares if they are doing things which have more of a weapons angle than a power angle.

Re:keeping an open mind (1)

MrKaos (858439) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858122)

More likely the US cares if they are doing things which have more of a weapons angle than a power angle.

What do you mean *if*. There is very little doubt that this *is* what is occurring and as the old adage says "necessity is the mother of invention".

Re:keeping an open mind (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858208)

Because after Iraq the US would probably prefer to have a little more evidence than "we think" and "it's obvious".

Because they are worried about weapons (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858256)

In terms of technology, no the US has nothing to gain. The latest and greatest in reactor technology is something the US has access to. Some of it was developed there, some developed in the EU, and so on. Nearly all of it is related to making better power generation stations, and as such isn't the sort of thing countries need to keep a tight lid on. The US could have the very latest in reactor tech if they wanted, it is politics that prevent new reactors from being built, not lack of tech.

The concern is that Iran isn't really building the reactor for power, that they are building it to make nuclear weapons. Reactors can have a lot of different uses, depending on their design. One use could be to make plutonium, and that could then be used to make nuclear weapons. That is a real concern to the US given that the government of Iran has been a bit, well, crazy to put it politely and a US ally, Israel, is in easy missile range.

I would presume the US (and perhaps other nations) are interested in what the reactor is really being used for. They want accurate information so they can decide what to do. If it really is just a power facility, then it can be ignored. Nothing wrong with more nuclear energy in the world, we could use it. If it has a hidden agenda, they'd like to know so they can at the very least be ready, and perhaps act on it.

Re:keeping an open mind (2, Insightful)

murdocj (543661) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858496)

The US isn't interested in technical innovations. They're interested in just how close Iran is to building a nuclear weapon.

Re:keeping an open mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33858564)

Intelligence (aka "spying") is more than simply learning new technology. It is also simply learning about what a potential enemy is up to, what resources they have, and in the case of this nuclear power plant just what else they may be up to. It doesn't matter if Iran is at the same level of experimentation that America was in the 1940's, it is mainly to find out if they've somehow been able to get past that point.

In theory, if Iran really had nothing to hide, they could bring in "international inspectors" including foreign diplomats and even engineers from other countries that may be interested. Heck, doing that might even help push their program forward simply by exchanging knowledge. Publishing the details out in the open and letting anybody with a network connection find out what they wanted to know would remove the need for spies. The point is, however, that Iran simply doesn't want anybody else to know what it is that they are doing.

I could speculate why Iran is building facilities underground, but I really don't think it is to improve the facility safety or to improve the actual nuclear power production requirements. Facility "security" perhaps, but not really safety.

baal worshippers in center of every US town (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33857930)

& why not? they designed the town (& the whole country), & found some monkeys to work/die there (& all over the world) for freedumb. the 'funny' part is. most of US haven't a clue who they are. nothing new. paying attention might be in order. that's something many of US can still afford to do. see you on the other side of it?

Re:baal worshippers in center of every US town (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857968)

AC, Sanity. Sanity, AC. I hope you two can become acquainted with each other.

talk about sabotage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33858060)

why don't we do anything/something about our own backyard? why must we always be prompted to look elsewhere, & encouraged to hate people/ways of life we know NOTHING about, while avoiding recognition of the murderers in our midst. it's possible to see/hear of, the bodies piling up, but the motives/methods remain nearly invisible. retired politicos (many, major felons/murderers themselves) are touting (even scheduling) alien visits & the ever favorite TERRORIST attacks, as if on cue, in the next/coming weeks. what's that say near election day?

They'd damn well better (2, Insightful)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 3 years ago | (#33857996)

With all the spying the government does on Americans [post-gazette.com] , they'd damn well better be spying on our enemies. Isn't this EXACTLY what the CIA and friends are for?

Worker Privileges (1)

el_tedward (1612093) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858238)

So, they both increased security AND increased work privileges? This could get interpreted so many different way.. I mean, is it a case of the employees now get to eat lunch and if they're extra good not have to get their daily 20 lashes? Are there prostitute dispensing vending machines in the staff lounges? What kind of worker privileges are we talking about?

What if the information the spies supplied .... (2, Interesting)

grandpa-geek (981017) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858318)

... was the details of the PLC applications being targeted by the Stuxnet worm. Hmmmm.

There are no spies... (1)

drgregoryhouse (1909704) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858558)

at their nuclear facilities, just like there are no homosexuals in Iran.

Yes, yes, I am so sure that is true. (3, Funny)

davev2.0 (1873518) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858652)

insisted increased security and worker privileges have put a stop to the spying.

And, there are no homosexuals in Iran either.

I S R (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858928)

espionage acknowledges you

Something to think about (1)

AnalogDiehard (199128) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858930)

If the Iranians claim the nuclear facilities are for peaceful purposes, then why is there espionage to pass secrets to the west...?

Passing nuclear secrets to the West? (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 3 years ago | (#33858938)

Passing nuclear secrets to the West? What's next? Smuggling drugs into Mexico?

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