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Should Sony Team With Google On a PlayStation Phone?

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the i-can-only-imagine-the-ensuing-jailbreak-feedback-loop dept.

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donniebaseball23 writes "The PSP2 is already in the hands of developers, but will Sony take the right direction in the portable sector? Following a recent op-ed on fixing the PSP business, leading game industry analysts came to the consensus that the best avenue for Sony to take is to offer a PlayStation Phone, and a strong partner like Google would do just the trick. 'Sony has the opportunity to redefine the portable games category. I think the best move would be to get out in front of Microsoft's inevitable Xbox LIVE Arcade Mobile and take on the App Store and carrier deck portals. ... They could put out a proper PlayStation Phone (and a PlayStation Pad) but these should compete with smartphones and tablets, not dedicated gaming devices. To do this quickly, Sony could partner with Google and take advantage of Android's considerable momentum,' said Billy Pidgeon of M2 Research."

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Lack of support (0, Troll)

devbox (1919724) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865340)

There is one major advantage that all Sony, Google and Android are missing - good support for game developers tools, availability of indie games and the support of 23 million Xbox Live subscripters.

However, the upcoming Windows Mobile 7 has all those advantages. You can easily develop for it using C# and Microsoft provides libraries and environments like XNA. Also, when you develop using C# and XNA, the game instantly works on all PC, Xbox 360 and the upcoming mobile phones. A huge advantage for developers.

On the other hand, Sony's PSP is just a gaming device. By this age it's way too much to carry around mobile phone, gaming device and everything else. Mobile devices are a lot more powerful now and you can fit everything in your phone.

Developers also hate coding for Sony's systems. I think both Gabe Newell and John Carmack have said developing for them is absolute nightmare and programming for them is completely different from other consoles. Microsoft here has huge advantage since the code you make works for big amount of other platforms. At most you only need to rewrite the graphics and maybe some game logic, but with indie games you may not even need to do that.

These are all the things that both Sony and Google are missing. iPhone developers also wont shy away from developing for Windows Mobile as it's practically the same and the market is/will be huge. I don't think the future of gaming will be PSP, it will be Windows Mobile.

Re:Lack of support (4, Informative)

Dilligent (1616247) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865408)

Noooo, I've written for XNA in the past and if you're paying attention you will notice that commercial Xbox games are NOT XNA based. Yes..it might be possible to run these on an Xbox, but then only the simplest of games will do so comfortably. I have seen DirectX vs XNA sheets saying there's almost an order of magnitude of performance difference between the platforms. XNA is nice if that is a non-issue for you, but if there is considerable overhead, good luck to you, if you know what you're doing, switch to DX now. XNA is NOT viable for big titles on mobile phones!

420 Niggaz! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865802)

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Re:Lack of support (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866088)

Well I've seen good games like Ilomilo and a few others developed to XNA. The problem is probably you and your shit style.

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Re:Lack of support (0, Troll)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865442)

WTF is up with all the Windows astroturfing lately.

Re:Lack of support (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865490)

It's called 'Microsoft improved their products to a point where their stuff are starting to be pretty good.'

It's not hard; if you have 2 US dollars printing machines (ie. Windows and Office), you have a couple bil to waste in every sector.

Re:Lack of support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865992)

did you mean to say

"its so easy even microsoft can do it"

or maybe

"throw enough money at the problem and something will work eventually"

just imagine what all that monopoly money could do in the hands of someone with real talent and vision

Re:Lack of support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865886)

they need to spend that marketing money somewhere

Re:Lack of support (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865556)

By this age it's way too much to carry around mobile phone, gaming device and everything else. Mobile devices are a lot more powerful now and you can fit everything in your phone.

Speaking as a gamer... no, this is not true. If there's one lesson we've learned over 30 years of home gaming it's that the controllers really matter in ways that the processors don't.

Re:Lack of support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866322)

Further reason to avoid this: phones (at least in the US) are generally purchased on 2-year cycles. Compare this to the Nintendo portables which have gone through 3-4 form factors in 20 years. The whole advantage of console gaming is a fixed hardware target. Take that away and there is no advantage for the PSP product line.

Re:Lack of support (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866390)

Eh... ordinarily I would agree with that but Apple seems to be doing fine with games on the iPhone. There's a difference between upgrading the RAM and using a radically different architecture.

Re:Lack of support (2, Insightful)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865568)

At most you only need to rewrite the graphics and maybe some game logic,

Wait, what? If you're rewriting the graphics and the game logic, you're still rewriting the game in the large, no?

I mean, what else is there? Sound, input perhaps. Not much else other than artwork (which would not be rewritten even in the case of a rewrite)

Re:Lack of support (1)

denmarkw00t (892627) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865670)

I think he means small amounts of logic - think of menus, save game storage, network play - the underlying structural logic may not gave to be altered, but smaller logic yes.

And on graphics, again it comes to menus, load screens: raster images in general, but if your game renders through a common API in-game, you're fine (I assume, IANGBFBMS (I Am Not Getting Butt Fucked By Micro$oft), but I digress)

Small tweaks across a similarish platform are nothing compared to complete rewrites/most of the code rewrites - still I thing Sony+google for mobile phone and gaming is a Good Idea.

Re:Lack of support (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866274)

Let's just tackle network play. So the latest greed first idea is to expose children to hours at a time, microwave radiation, whilst playing online games on their mobile phone. No problem, why not add junk food, cigarette and alcohol adds with the claims that as only adults can initiate mobile phone contracts that only adults use mobile phone game platforms.

Sometimes bad ideas are truly horrendous ideas driven by corporate executives who can see nothing but profits and completely ignore consequences.

Re:Lack of support (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865914)

Games that work on n platforms generally suck on n-1 platforms.

Good developer support is important. More important is a large customer base willing to spend money on applications and games. Apple's iPhone is doing well in this regard. Even though the iPhone market is smaller than Android, it is more profitable for game developers. I have a hard time believing Microsoft's platform is going to do much to change this. They may carve out a profitable audience, but I wouldn't expect much more than that.

The XBox and Zune are both very well reviewed devices that have sold well. They just don't make much money for Microsoft.

Re:Lack of support (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866266)

Major Microsoft astroturfing out tonight. This guy's first post ever just happens to read like an ad for Windows Mobile 7, and both people that call him out on that get modded troll. Posts like this have been popping up for the last two days. Mods, keep an eye out...

Yeah, not going to happen. (-1, Flamebait)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865368)

Great idea, but not exactly very Sony-like... We're talking about the same company that pushed Blu-ray, an inferior standard to HD-DVD, on consumers with everything it had until they finally won... (disclaimer: I own two blu-ray players). Sony is much, much more likely to release their own phone with their own OS than team up with Google. All IMHO.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (4, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865398)

Well, sony already make phones and some of them run android [sonyericsson.com] .

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (5, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865404)

an inferior standard to HD-DVD,

Um, what? HD-DVD allowed for 30 GB dual layer at the same read speed as Blu-Ray while Blu-Ray allows for 50 GB dual layer.

While it could be argued that Blu-Ray has been more proprietary than HD-DVD was, I wouldn't call the practical specifications inferior.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865586)

an inferior standard to HD-DVD,

Um, what? HD-DVD allowed for 30 GB dual layer at the same read speed as Blu-Ray while Blu-Ray allows for 50 GB dual layer. While it could be argued that Blu-Ray has been more proprietary than HD-DVD was, I wouldn't call the practical specifications inferior.

Yeah but HD-DVD used tech much closer to the industry standard DVD; most notably a red laser. Had the format war not occurred, there is good reason to believe adoption rate and prices would of been much better.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (2, Interesting)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865682)

Err, where do you get the red laser thing from?

You could (AFAICT) use HD-DVD formatting on a dual layer DVD to get 9.4 GB of HD format data on it, that's about it. HD-DVD proper used a blue laser to achieve higher data density.

The format war was a fix anyway, with a lot of companies in both camps and the end of the war negotiated in the boardroom, not fought out in the open market.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866240)

Had the format war not happened I'd most certainly have worse business, as due to that the price of 420nm and 460nm diodes dropped like a rock.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865724)

One big thing HD-DVD had going for it was it was the spec was actually finished when it was released, unlike Blu-Ray.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (3, Insightful)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866332)

In terms of user experience, HD DVD is still better than Blu-ray simply because Blu-ray still takes so long to start a disc even on a modern machine. Picture and sound identical, interactivity definitely goes to HD DVD. Yes, I have a modern Blu-ray player which is profile 2.0 and yet it is still inferior to an HD DVD player from four years back. In fact I would give the win to HD DVD on the basis of it being region free.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866374)

The DRM stuff that we love to hate so much is actually a feature from the POV of the content producers.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865524)

How on earth was Blu-ray inferior? It supported all the same codecs, held far more data, and had greater support from studios. It was superior in pretty much every way to HD-DVD, hence why it won, and HD-DVD became the next Divx

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

hot soldering iron (800102) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865794)

I think Sony learned it's lesson about technical superiority with the MASSIVE market failure of Betamax vs VHS. Technical superiority will not defeat marketing. (and strong-arming and bribery, too!) They do seem to still have a problem of ethics. I mean, come on, it's FUCKING SONY! If they can't infect you with a rootkit, and cut your nuts off for trying to program on their platform without paying them a pound of flesh, you think that they'll willingly hook up with a company that has the motto of "Do No Evil"? They would probably prefer to be sodomized with razor wire.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865660)

Inferior?

Higher capacity and higher transfer speed do not an inferior product make. The geek world preferred HDDVD because it had no region coding and no BD+. These are good reasons but do not mean an inferior format.

Sony were not the only ones pushing at and it probably won out as much because of its stronger DRM provisions as anything else.

I agree that it's not very sony-like to team up with anyone. Besides which they already have a successful (though not major market share) phone division. And somewhere in Sony, someone has figured out that if they put a PSP emulator/interpreter/whatever on to an android phone then people will find a way to rip it off, use it on other devices and pirate the games.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865706)

It's Chaotic Evil and Chaotic Good.

Sony would act like the best of friends until it came time to divide the loot.

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (2, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865726)

Great idea

A combination PSP and telephone is a "great idea"? Why not a combination toaster and hedge trimmer?

I'm probably in the minority here, but I really don't see playing some online game and having a phone call come in on the same device as the road to great entertainment.

Maybe it makes me a curmudgeon, but I don't see how this is going to improve things for those of us who are serious about gaming. But then I also hate third-person shooters and what they've done to the gaming landscape. I guess people will buy anything.

Portable gaming could be great, but the social gaming/advertising platform that Sony is envisioning doesn't do anything for me. Nor will it do a whole lot for those who rely on wireless networks to get work done. Maybe with Sony going all out with the Sony Store purchase/download requirement just to play a game some other company will use the opportunity to make a portable platform for real gaming. I'd like to see a couple more companies competing with the tired Playstation/XBox/Wii cartel.. With the iPad being locked down, maybe something to play on the multitude of cheap and decent new tablets that are being made over in China?

Re:Yeah, not going to happen. (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866304)

Great idea

A combination PSP and telephone is a "great idea"? Why not a combination toaster and hedge trimmer?

I'm probably in the minority here, but I really don't see playing some online game and having a phone call come in on the same device as the road to great entertainment.

Maybe it makes me a curmudgeon, but I don't see how this is going to improve things for those of us who are serious about gaming. But then I also hate third-person shooters and what they've done to the gaming landscape. I guess people will buy anything.

Portable gaming could be great, but the social gaming/advertising platform that Sony is envisioning doesn't do anything for me. Nor will it do a whole lot for those who rely on wireless networks to get work done. Maybe with Sony going all out with the Sony Store purchase/download requirement just to play a game some other company will use the opportunity to make a portable platform for real gaming. I'd like to see a couple more companies competing with the tired Playstation/XBox/Wii cartel.. With the iPad being locked down, maybe something to play on the multitude of cheap and decent new tablets that are being made over in China?

Years ago when the hardware was all shitty making combination multi-function media devices was a BAD idea. Turned out they were shitty.

But we have really good components these days and most of our gadgets have the same basic parts. It actually makes sense to combine them into a single device. A gaming gizmo needs a good screen, good speakers, a microphone helps, an array of buttons, a womping big battery, and at least 802.11G, 3G or better is a bonus. A phone needs that same list. A portable music player needs most of those things. A portable movie player needs most of those things. A pocket sized camera needs most of those things and a ... camera.

If you're a hardcore gamer playing portable games and suddenly you have an incoming call you're either going to have to pause your game, find your phone and somewhere to put your gaming device, then answer the phone. If it's the same device you press a button and it pauses the game and answers the phone. Doesn't sound like much but if you're on a bus or train or other logical place to play a portable gaming device then getting to your phone in your pocket or bag can be difficult, and you likely don't have somewhere readily available to stick your gaming device. Press a button, answer the phone. And IF DESIGNED CORRECTLY the only thing interrupting your game could be a blinking LED on the side of the device. Wouldn't want your boss / mom / girlfriend interrupting your ever important dragon slaying.

And anyone relying on wireless networks to get work done are just sadly mistaken. Wireless is not reliable. In any form for all of time wireless anything has never had "reliable" as one of its redeeming values. The only thing it has ever been good at is 'convenient'.

But if you're considering an iPad or like tablet device as a gaming platform then you're clearly not "serious about gaming".

No. (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865372)

No because Sony's stance clashes with Google's stance. Sony is all about control. Control. Control. Heck, Sony had a firmware update to break third party controllers not to mention Sony's recent moves of removing features.

Sony wants nothing more than control. Google wants open phones. The two clash in many ways.

Re:No. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865430)

@Darkness404 #google doesn't give a shit about open phones. Sony's control over the PS3 is no different than HTCLGMotorolaVerizonATT's control over their android devices.

Re:No. (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865514)

Yes Google does. Do you think Google -wants- people to think their operating system is a piece of crap because Motorola/LG/HTC/etc. can't be bothered to release an update. Do you think Google -wants- people to be stuck on their last-gen version? Microsoft doesn't want people to use XP, Microsoft wants people to use Windows 7. Google doesn't want people to use Android 1.5 or 2.1, Google wants people to use Android 2.2 because it includes all the fixes for all of the problems that people have had with other versions.

The more open phones are, the better it is for Google because Google can release more apps and increase marketshare.

Re:No. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865648)

@Darkness404 methinks the lady doth protest too much!

Just make a PSP with retina display (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865390)

The iPod touch and iPhone already have better graphics, they just don't come with physical buttons. Update the PSP with the retina display and add enhanced graphics patches for older games and you got a better PSP.

Re:Just make a PSP with retina display (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866348)

Being Sony, they will just allow you to play psp1 games on the first batch. Then they will release psp2 slim, a bit cheaper and without the option to run psp1 games.

Happened before, more than once.

No fixing needed! (4, Insightful)

JDeane (1402533) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865406)

Yes add more features surely playing movies music and games was not enough!!! They needed more features so they could outsell the DS!!!

The DS didn't win because it had features..... it didn't win because it had better graphics.... it won because it had more fun games to play and a bigger variety of games to pick from. Pesky consumers and there desire for choices!!!!

Sony just does not have the developer support for 2 systems, I suspect they would be better served by focusing on one or the other.

Re:No fixing needed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866008)

It was also US$100 (?) cheaper... approximately? That's at least part of the reason the Wii was popular: it cost less.

Re:No fixing needed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866644)

You have obviously never tried to browse the web on a psp.

The PSP is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865424)

If you design something new, you break all the existing software; but the existing hardware is so antiquated, it can't run games that people are expecting these days.

Seen Epic Citadel on the iPod Touch? The PSP is so dead.

Mark the price down and sell the remaining stock at a loss, while you can find anyone to buy it.

Battery (2, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865444)

Large screen + cpu chewing apps is no good for something that meant to work unplugged at least close to a work day. In the N900 with the game gripper you already have a not so bad gaming console/smart phone, where you can play playstation/n64/mame/native games, but battery life wiill be pretty bad.

Extra battery (1)

mliu (85608) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865642)

On the other hand, it seems to me that a phone with a spare battery in your pocket is still smaller than a phone + a Gameboy or PSP.

Re:Extra battery (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866260)

Except I just use SkypeOut and SkypeIn on the PSP as my phone.

Re:Battery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866026)

Running emulation is a huge waste of CPU. If the packages are in something that has less overhead you can see huge battery savings.

"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865446)

Sony frankly doesn't have a good track record with hardware in general. The hardware tends to be quirky, and after-sales support poor -- my friend had a Sony DVD player that *specifically* advertised firmware upgradeability on the box, it was very buggy.. no firmware updates ever came out for it, Sony's solution was to just buy the next model. They've done the same thing with other products.

            Sony also LOVES closed systems, the antithesis of Android. They've done stuff like take a generic off-the-shelf DVD or CD drive, and put their own firmware in it, actually introducing bugs compared to the stock firmware while adding no features; some Vaios have fingerprint readers that WOULD be standard and work with generic Linux drivers, except Sony put custom firmware in so it ONLY works with Sony's (Windows-based) software. This also is something they've done again and again.

          Would I buy a Sony phone? Hell no.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865892)

Sony frankly doesn't have a good track record with hardware in general. The hardware tends to be quirky, and after-sales support poor

Wait, what? I'd say the best thing Sony's got going for them is the reliability of their hardware, and their no-fuss attitude to after-sales support, but maybe that's my experience (in 3 countries outside the US). Hell, my PS1 still does duty as a solid CD player in a friend's den, and my dad's Sony music system from 1993 only crapped out earlier this year. Hardware they can do, software not so much.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

paedobear (808689) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866136)

It's weird you single out the PS1 when it and the PS2 were famous for having drives that just stopped working - they lost at least one major class-action suit that I know of. Sony are like Bose - they've not had the quality they gained their reputation for since the 70s, but they've kept the high prices.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866140)

I notice your anecdotal evidence lacks more recent examples of Sony hardware.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

daath93 (1356187) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866650)

if you want to compare anecdotal evidence, my sony reader crapped out 3 times. twice not covered under warranty when they were having issues with their screen cracking if you looked at them wrong (literally watched my first one crack while i was reading it in bed one night). and they changed the support from their proprietary format to epub which required that i send the device to them (yes, they paid for this) waiting a month to get it back so they could flash the firmware. Apparently not wanting to trust people with doing this themselves. since the process was only to have taken "two weeks" it only took 2 separate calls to service and an escalation for someone to tell me "oh we did get it, its still being processed". now mind you, two people couldnt even tell me where my reader was or that it had been received! God bless sony.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

N0Man74 (1620447) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866680)

I'll see your anecdotal evidence of Sony's reliability, and raise you my anecdotal evidence!

I no longer have any working Sony hardware. Every Sony product I have owned has died on me (long enough to last through warranties, but not by a lot...)

I also used to work in retail management for a video game store chain that dealt quite a bit with used games and systems during the last generation of consoles. I'd estimate that of the number of systems that people who brought in their used systems to trade in, I'd have to estimate that about 90% to 95% of PS2s that were brought in to trade were victims of the infamous disc read error on 1 or more of the supported disc types (black, blue, or silver). In contrast, I'd say only 10% of the used XBoxes traded in had obvious problems , and 1 single GameCube was bad (but was used in a car, had mud in the vents and a broken dome).

In regards to the previously mentioned "No Disc Error", Sony denied there was any defect, and blamed it on the users up until they settled the Class Action Lawsuit. I should also mention that I never saw a single refurbished PS2 from Sony that was not later returned as defective. I always advised customers to buy our used systems (because we checked them out first) or a new system, but never a refurbished. Additionally, PS2 also had defective Sony memory cards, and a recall on their power adapters. I read an article once that claimed that the designer of Resident Evil once attributed part of the PS2's strong sales with people who had to buy replacements. Honestly, I'd believe that claim considering my personal experience of talking to dozens of people who had to buy a 2nd or 3rd PS2 because their previous ones died. I even had 3 people claim they were on their 5th or 6th PS2 system.

That's just the PS2, to counter the PS1 reliability claim. That's not even going into the defect complaints regarding the PSP launch, or some rumored defect rates in the PS3 line...

However, I didn't see many bad original Playstation (1) systems that were bad...

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866788)

To add to this evidence, I own a Sony CyberShot digital camera. Worst purchase I ever made, never worked very good (and it doesnt even have an Optical Zoom).

Replaced it with a Canon Ixus and am much happier.

Re:"Should Sony team w/ Google?" No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866092)

"Sony also LOVES closed systems, the antithesis of Android."

I think this answers that summaries title question 'Should Sony Team With Google On a PlayStation Phone?' Well, yeah, they should... ...but Google would be stupid to team with Sony (unless it was to buy Sony outright and even then there are only a few areas where they crossover, and it doesn't seem worth the trouble or the value in gained business). Sony's entire culture is the antithesis of Google, so any collaboration is going to be bumpy.

And given how Sony tends to sick attack dogs aka lawyers at everything going good _and_ bad, it would behoove Google to simply avoid them entirely.

It's perfect! (1)

N0Man74 (1620447) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866588)

Google can skirt around their "Don't Be Evil" motto, by taking on an evil partner like Sony that can do the dirty work while letting Google keep their hands clean! ;-)

Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flash (3, Funny)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865454)

The reason I'm not porting my soon to be released Flash game on iPhone or Android is that the processing power is too low. If there was a serious chip in these phones, higher quality games can be made. I'm thinking in the future many high quality games will be made in Flash.

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865626)

The reason I'm not porting my soon to be released Flash game on iPhone or Android is that the processing power is too low. If there was a serious chip in these phones, higher quality games can be made. I'm thinking in the future many high quality games will be made in Flash.

Or, perhaps you could take Adobe's dick out of your mouth long enough to learn how to program in a REAL LANGUAGE that doesn't need to max out 4 3GHz cores to run a fucking animation. Failing that, maybe go play in traffic.

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865782)

If there's one thing I love about this site, it's that between all the Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Linux bashing, the one company we can largely come to despise is Adobe, and the one product we can all hate on is Flash. The only dissenting opinion you ever see here is by Adobe-suite 'developers' grown indulgent by Adobe's motherly coddling and embrace.

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866090)

The only dissenting opinion you ever see here is by Adobe-suite 'developers' grown indulgent by Adobe's motherly coddling and embrace.

---- and the developers who know who to use Flash and Adobe's development tools effectively:

Machinarium [machinarium.net]

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866472)

... and people who just want to watch some video from CBC on their iPad, who don't give a shit about format and only care that it "doesn't work."

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866382)

the only truely awesome thing to come from adobe was postscript and pdf.

Re:Yes! Plz serious horsepower processors for Flas (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866150)

Yea program it in a REAL LANGUAGE like java so it can run at a blistering 3 fps.

Sony Playstation Phone = No Sale (1)

NonSenseAgency (1759800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865484)

Given all the other problems with Sony thinking they continue to "own" the hardware after they have sold it to the customer, I would not take a Sony Playstation Phone if they paid me to use it.

Re:Sony Playstation Phone = No Sale (1, Insightful)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865530)

You realize that's really no different from any other game console maker, right?

Re:Sony Playstation Phone = No Sale (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865856)

Nintendo and MS didn't remove features in a firmware update AFAIK.

Re:Sony Playstation Phone = No Sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866094)

Microsoft removed the ability to use 3rd party memory sticks for awhile. I'm sure that sucked for someone.

Sony, Partner With Google? (5, Insightful)

Astronomerguy (1541977) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865506)

That's a marriage that will never happen. Sony is all about control, and that focus on control precludes third parties and regard for what Sony's users want. See: removal of PS2 compatibility on the PS3, removal of "OtherOS" on the PS3, blocking of third-party controllers on the PS3 etc. ad nauseum. Sony wants absolute control of the eco system, but they don't get it like Apple and even Google/Android does in regards to applications and features. Hell, even Microsoft lets anyone write apps for the Windows platform. Until Sony 1.) merges the PSP into a smartphone platform; 2.) loosens their control or at least modifies it in regards to applications and monetizing their platform, and 3.) opens up to partnering with companies that understand how to work with user's needs and wants, they're dead in the water. I speak as a PS3 owner who uses his PS3 95% for streaming media to the entertainment centre, as an owner of a PSP 3000 who uses it primarily for watching movies and documentaries while traveling as well as running old console games in emulation, and I have a PSP Go that I won at a vendor event (a lucky colleague won a 32Gb iTouch AND an Xbox slim! I got the shitty end of that deal).

Re:Sony, Partner With Google? (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865974)

Sony wants absolute control of the eco system, but they don't get it like Apple

Say what?! Say what you like about Sony, but don't claim that Apple doesn't want or already exercise a great degree of control.

Until Sony 1.) merges the PSP into a smartphone platform; 2.) loosens their control or at least modifies it in regards to applications and monetizing their platform, and 3.) opens up to partnering with companies that understand how to work with user's needs and wants, they're dead in the water.

Uh, isn't that exactly what is being suggested here? Merging with Android, and partnering with Google (who I presume you view as more in touch with advertis-- user needs and wants)?

Re:Sony, Partner With Google? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866416)

I guess I'm just too inept, but how did you get emus on your 3000? Mine's sitting at 6.2 with the Patapon 2 demo because I heard that has a shot of doing something worthwhile.. Maybe it's a mission from google, but yeah...

Short answer: No (4, Interesting)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865558)

These companies have different DNA:
Sony's instinct is to use proprietary formats and lock stuff down. I bought a PS3, but psbuntu on it and intended programming it. Couldn't do anything could since Sony locked me out. I learned my lesson not to use their stuff.

Google on the other hand are the opposite. They are pretty open with their technologies and using them is a joy in comparison. While there are restrictions on some stuff (Map API) the rest of it can pretty much be used as you wish and for no cost.

These two collaborating would probably work as well as a marriage between a neurotic, secretive but immaculately coiffured woman and a hippy.

Re:Short answer: No (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865896)

You do know Sony's doing the first Google TV, right?

Re:Short answer: No (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866252)

People don't expect to run apps on their TV (not yet at least) - they do expect to on their phone.

Re:Short answer: No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865940)

Sony isn't even a hardware company. It's an old-school publisher that owns a hardware company. Ignoring that is such a gross omission that this story is a type of straw-man argument.

No. (3, Insightful)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865630)

  • That's a dumb product idea that doesn't sufficiently account for the present market.
  • Sony and Google have conflicting corporate philosophies and deal in conflicting markets.
  • With Sony in the game, there'd just be a firmware update later which removed the ability to make calls.

Re:No. (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865904)

  • Sony and Google have conflicting corporate philosophies and deal in conflicting markets.

Wait, where do Google & Sony compete at the moment, exactly?

Sony's already got an Android handset or two, by the way.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866034)

And Google designs the Android hardware, do they?

Android Two dot What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865646)

Sony can't even partner with Google to bring out an Android 2.x phone. How are they going to create a PlayStation phone when Sony can't seem to move beyond Android 1.6?

The followup to the smash hit PSP GO ... NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865658)

If the last generation of video game consoles has taught us anything, it's that game companies should stick with what they do best. That means making great gaming experiences. You would think that Wii and DS would have taught us that. What happens when the focus shifts to grander goals. Well not only does the gaming experience suffer, but it's bad for the bottom line. Sony since PS2 and original PSP ...

Cell Processor - Develop processor that will allow for new entertainment experiences and be included across the range of Sony electronic goods. This hasn't happened, they've lost market share to Korean companies, and hundreds of millions of dollars in the process.

Blu-ray - Spent hundreds of millions of dollars to develop and market a new format that is already obsolete thanks to streaming.

PS3 - Focus on the above two technologies to make the platform more than just a gaming console, which led to delays that caused the platform to be expensive, difficult to program for, less popular, and unprofitable.

PSP GO - Desire to get in on the App Store craze leads them to create their biggest bomb. In the Japanese market it sold fewer than 50,000 units so far this year compared to 1,500,000 PSP-3000 and 64,000 PS2s.

In summary, please focus on what you know how to do. You are not Google, Apple, or even Microsoft (who somehow makes better software than you). You are an electronics company. Focus on being the best electronics company, and not the next Apple, Microsoft, Intel, Apple, Disney, Blackberry, Netflix ... Samsung and LG, who are just copying your past model and successes seem to understand this and are reaping the rewards. Even Microsoft's efforts to be more like you have been a financial disaster from the inception of their Xbox program. Apple seems to have branched out from being a computer manufacturer, but the company has been an iDevice manufacturer first and computer maker second since Steve Jobs took over. Therefore they haven't really entered new markets, but are really just Apple 2.0 and this is their core business and competency.

Especially considering your company is based in Japan where shareholders have few rights, it's time to get back to the basics and stop trying to chase growth outside your core competency. Make an awesome platform for gaming entertainment that Apple and other phone manufacturer can't match because of their utilitarian functionality. With that the masses will come and you might even be able to help the company's bottom line at the same time.

Why would they? (1)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865686)

Google would make Android part of the deal, and it's apparent that Sony wants nothing to do with Linux.

SONY + GOOGLE = no good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33865696)

Sony = closed system.
Google (Android) = open system.

Therefore either google will break sony's model or sony will break googles model.

The only good result would be if Sony relaxed their model but I can't see that happening.

Re:SONY + GOOGLE = no good (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865984)

You mean like the Xperia X10? [gizmodo.com]

Sounds like the perfect failed product (3, Insightful)

dirkdodgers (1642627) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865728)

Google phone: Failure
Sony PSP: Marketshare loser

But what if we combined them?!

Why, we'd have a Nokia N-Gage gaming phone. Brilliant.

Hey clueless analysts, 2003 called and they want their shitty ideas back.

WTF? "strong partner like Google" (3, Insightful)

khchung (462899) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865758)

What's this? Would you call Microsoft a strong PC maker? Google just provide the OS, they are a NON-PLAYER in the mobile market, both in terms of name brand recognition and manufacturing/distribution capability. Partnering with HTC or Nokia (while still not have much sense) would make more sense than picking Google.

This is pure Google fanboy wishful thinking.

An Android that plays PSP Games? It need to be so locked down for Sony to accept, that you would not be able to run any non-Sony approved Android apps, that it make no sense to buy one.

With Google's lack of emphasis on user experience, Sony will need to make major changes to the UI that you would not recognize it is an Android device anyway.

This whole idea makes no sense at all.

Re:WTF? "strong partner like Google" (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865942)

Eh? I think the implication is that Google provides the OS layer, not the hardware layer. Sony's got the hardware side fairly well covered, I'd say. In that instance, HTC and Nokia make no sense.

Re:WTF? "strong partner like Google" (1)

duranaki (776224) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865964)

Yeah really.. they should partner with a big cell phone maker like Ericsson. Oh wait...

Nokia NGage (1)

r0kk3rz (825106) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865774)

Pretty sure they've tried this idea before and it failed miserably

Re:Nokia NGage (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866524)

it failed because it was a phone company going after a games market, which is the wrong way because you have to build up the belief that you will have a good games library.

If it was say the GameBoyPhone made by Nintendo rather than the Nokia NGage, it would have worked, because people inherently believe that Nintendo will get a good library of games. Similar for PSP.

No (1)

Snaller (147050) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865818)

It might be a good idea for them, but Google should clearly say no. Sony are a bunch of closed sourced bastards who have no idea of how to please the market (and to those who say they are making a mint - sure - but they could make even more if they opened their minds)

Sony doesn't get online (1)

Maudib (223520) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865836)

They never have, and I don't think they ever will. True collaboration with google/android is therefore not possible.

Look at the PS3. Could one imagine a sorrier excuse for an online store or game community? They never took online gaming seriously. Whereas msft built in standardized online/community functionality, Sony left it to each developer. Integration with the online store is an after thought and is truly crude.

With their phones and android they trashed most of what was inherent to the os and replaced it with a crudely implemented custom UI/skin.

Memory sticks, proprietary, etc.

Community driven, collaboration, open, Sony doesn't do that.

PSP Droid (1)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865864)

Well, seeing as they couldn't keep the first PSP closed to hackers, what makes them think they will keep a Droid based one better protected.

Re:PSP Droid (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866124)

Well, seeing as they couldn't keep the first PSP closed to hackers, what makes them think they will keep a Droid based one better protected.

But later PSPs are now pretty tightly locked. After all, what ever happened to that PSP Go hack? It's completely useless right now, but have CFW and it could be a great way to play PSP games in a smaller formfactor.

Anyhow, Sony would either put out a locked down Android that's bacially only connected to the PSN store only, and attempts to root it would be met with firmware updates. Of course, since everything is tied to PSN, your phone is effectively a brick until you update. Heck, I'm sure Sony could get everything from Google except the marketplace app and neuter the ability to sideload apps.

Either that, or you do the OtherOS thing - Linux runs inside a hypervisor like it did on the PS2 and PS3 (until Sony took that feature away).

Not Sony: Closed; Yes Nintendo: Open (0)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 3 years ago | (#33865980)

If I thought Google would get Sony to open a jointly developed phone's OS, Android with full access to the phone's HW, I would support such a development. But Sony has proven over and over that it's committed to closing and locking its products as much as possible. The latest stunt with firmware upgrades stealing away Linux/OtherOS from the PS3 is the clincher, but everything Sony does is DRM/closed/locked. Google also does business with China's mafia government, even after making a big noise about quitting the country instead. So I expect it would only drag Google further from being open - and Android isn't even open enough.

Google should team with Nintendo on a totally open Wii phone. Nintendo is the innovative console maker, finally introducing motion detecting controllers to the industry. Meanwhile motion detection and location are some of the biggest drivers of innovation on mobile phones. Nintendo is the only console vendor that doesn't have a phone. A Wii phone/controller/mobile would ratchet Nintendo up another notch. And indeed Nintendo has since 2007 developed ES [wikipedia.org] , an open source OS.

Nintendo's is the sensible path for Google to operate in this space, not Sony's.

Re:Not Sony: Closed; Yes Nintendo: Open (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866308)

Last I checked, Nintendo doesn't need a cell phone partner. The DS and the Wii are humiliating their competition.

Re:Not Sony: Closed; Yes Nintendo: Open (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866506)

Last I checked, the DS and the Wii aren't cellphones. Nor is their respective OS at all qualified to run a cellphone, even if Nintendo made one. Which is why Google with Android would be an excellent partner.

Re:Not Sony: Closed; Yes Nintendo: Open (2, Informative)

grimdawg (954902) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866646)

Sony may like its systems closed, but Nintendo has as long a history of locked-down, anti-piracy measures and closed systems. The Wii does not play DVDs. Homebrew (slash piracy...) cartridges for DS are banned. Online is a joke. As far back as the NES and as recently as the DSi (no transferring downloadable games between systems), Nintendo is all about proprietary.

Whats a playstation? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866110)

Oh yea, that thing I used to enjoy playing games on

I have a psp phat, I have bought maybe 15 games for it over its lifetime, I still own 4...

Maybe if they focused more on making / getting content for it instead of trying to get me to buy a new set of cables every revision of the machine, Then I could say I have found more than 4 games I honestly enjoy since I got the thing back in 2006 (versus my big binder of ps1 and ps2 games)

I don't even know where the silly thing is, I think its under my desk, I don't know I haven't touched it since I beat Chinatown wars

Yes (2, Informative)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866138)

Yes, and everything should be programmed to run on the Dalvik jvm so it can achieve a blistering 5 fps.

We HAD a cross between a PSP and a phone (1)

DeanCubed (814869) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866448)

It was called the N-Gage, and no one should ever ask for something like that ever again.

They are already at it (1)

pieleric (917714) | more than 3 years ago | (#33866740)

Sony Ericsson has recently moved to only use android in their smartphones, and apparently they are already considering mixing PSP and android 3.0 (gingerbread) [engadget.com] .

Sony and Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33866812)

There is so much fud on slashdot that some have created their own reallity distortion field. Its sad if you think about it. To al those saying that they couldnt partner up. Look who is very active regarding Google TV....
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