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Milky Way Is Square(ish), According To New Map

CmdrTaco posted about 4 years ago | from the ishy-science dept.

Space 123

KentuckyFC writes "The structure of the Milky Way is notoriously difficult to work out because we see our galaxy edge on. That means nearer clouds and stars are superimposed on more distant ones and telling them apart is hard. However, astronomers have unveiled a new map based on velocity measurements made on 870 clouds of carbon monosulphide. This has revealed a number of new features of the Milky Way including a previously unknown spiral arm, some 30,000 light years from the galactic core. But the most surprising finding is that some of our galaxy's spiral arms are straight rather than curved, giving the Milky Way a distinctly square look. That's not quite as outrageous as it sounds. Astronomers know of a number of other galaxies with straight arms, such as the pinwheel galaxy M101. So ours probably looks something like this."

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Ohhhhhhhhhh (5, Insightful)

scosco62 (864264) | about 4 years ago | (#33883096)

God: Who is Globular Cluster which includes HE 1523? Kids: MilkyWay SquarePants! God: Enormous and luminous and massive is he! Kids: MilkyWay SquarePants! God: If astronomical nonsense be something you wish, Kids: MilkyWay SquarePants! God: Then call in SETI and tune in the dish! I'm really really sorry about this.......

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (2, Funny)

boristdog (133725) | about 4 years ago | (#33883290)

Sadly, this was pretty much along the lines of my first thoughts when I read the headline as well.

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (0)

Abstrackt (609015) | about 4 years ago | (#33883548)

"Epic" is the only word I can use to describe this.

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (1)

Spazntwich (208070) | about 4 years ago | (#33883628)

But will you?

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883808)

Yeah, epic FAIL. Leave this stupid kind of shit to the niggers.

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883668)

Well, I've got to say one thing: at least the mods were smart enough to not recognize this as Funny.

I only wish I was smart enough to figure out why they did give it an Insightful mod. Doesn't that directly contradict the poll results about how the average Slashdotter is smarter than average?

Go figger.

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (1)

an unsound mind (1419599) | about 4 years ago | (#33884450)

Insightful is the funny mod - funny mod then again means "+1, groan-inducing".

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (4, Funny)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | about 4 years ago | (#33883838)

I've never had the motivation to put someone on my 'foes' list on Slashdot before. This however, has come very close to changing that. I will have this god-awful rubbish stuck in my head all day thanks to you. Now please excuse me while I try to get it out of my brain using a belt sander and a turkey baster....

Re:Ohhhhhhhhhh (1)

Hylandr (813770) | about 4 years ago | (#33885078)

How much longer until we discover our existence occupies a locker in some hub of interstellar transportation?

- Dan.

My God, it's full of stars! (1)

digitaldc (879047) | about 4 years ago | (#33883122)

Honestly, looks more like a circle/square - an Octagon to me.

But hey, I am not 100,000 light years away to make that kind of judgement.

Here is a nice photo of the Milky Way [wikimedia.org] just for fun...

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (5, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | about 4 years ago | (#33883260)

But hey, I am not 100,000 light years away to make that kind of judgment.

I am. It is why I can never get first post.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33884100)

Your roaming charges must be astronomical!

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883338)

It is an octagon. In fact, it's The Octagon.

A billion stars go in. One comes out!

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (0, Troll)

ArcherB (796902) | about 4 years ago | (#33883364)

Honestly, looks more like a circle/square - an Octagon to me.

But hey, I am not 100,000 light years away to make that kind of judgement.

Here is a nice photo of the Milky Way [wikimedia.org] just for fun...

Looks more like a swastika to me. Who knew God was a NAZI.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (1)

geogob (569250) | about 4 years ago | (#33883464)

Or maybe he is Hindu, which would make more sense... however little sense that makes.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883660)

Nah. Nazi makes more sense. For his "chosen people", god sure did fuck around with the Jews.

Kind of like when a house cat finds a grasshopper--instead of just indulging its predatory instincts by eating it and ending its misery, the cat better enjoys bringing it inside, picking off its legs, batting it around, etc.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (hic) I mean jars! (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 4 years ago | (#33884182)

Or maybe he is Hindu, which would make more sense.

Or celtic. It looks a bit more like the celtic 3-armed swastika than the hindu 4-armed version. At least, it looks that way if I drink enough poteen...
On a side note, did any culture make a 5-armed version?

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (2)

arth1 (260657) | about 4 years ago | (#33883476)

Honestly, looks more like a circle/square - an Octagon to me.

The picture in TFA is misleading -- it isn't of the Milky Way, but of M101, the same galaxy (and picture) as in the second link.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (3, Funny)

Unkyjar (1148699) | about 4 years ago | (#33884120)

Ok, you wait there while I go to snap a picture of the milky way from a distance.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33884704)

Best we have until then is this artist's impression [wikipedia.org] , based on infrared images from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883512)

The galaxy pictured in TFA is the pinwheel galaxy, M101. It's kinda deceptive to use that image for the article... did they not create an image from their Milky Way data?

A cube, I would say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883638)

This site [timecube.com] might or might not be relevant to this story. I'm not really sure, to be honest.

Re:My God, it's full of stars! (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 4 years ago | (#33885608)

That's not a picture of the Milky Way (all our pictures of the MW look like a fuzzy UFO).

It's M101, aka the Pinwheel Galaxy [wikipedia.org] .

In other words, the Milky Way is still square-ish, even though that picture is octogon-ish.

God only knows why they didn't put a caption under it.

Milky Way (3, Insightful)

Theoboley (1226542) | about 4 years ago | (#33883134)

I thought it was brown, about 4 inches long, and had a swirled pattern on top of it...

My God! It's full of nougat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883246)

Mmmmmm...Nougat. Yeah.

Re:Milky Way (1)

melikamp (631205) | about 4 years ago | (#33883350)

And after centuries of tireless efforts, astronomers finally discovered that the central structure of the Milky Way is bar-shaped. Let's see how long it will take for them to substantiate the claim that it's also delicious.

Re:Milky Way (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 4 years ago | (#33885546)

Meh, it's probably too sweet.

When are they going to find the Milky Way Dark galaxy? That's what I want to know!

Re:Milky Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883726)

You might want have a doctor take a look at that pattern thing...

Re:Milky Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33884124)

The inferior older brother of the Snickers.

Re:Milky Way (1)

sharkey (16670) | about 4 years ago | (#33885122)

You should flush it before you barf in it.

Misleading article (3, Insightful)

ral (93840) | about 4 years ago | (#33883140)

The article has a picture of a galaxy with no caption. A casual reader will assume the picture is of our own galaxy, but it is actually a picture of M101.

Re:Misleading article (5, Funny)

Himring (646324) | about 4 years ago | (#33883166)

I figured voyager took that shot....

Re:Misleading article (1)

ral (93840) | about 4 years ago | (#33883200)

If I could, I'd mod the parent funny. I shoulda said CGI, not picture.

Re:Misleading article (2, Informative)

SailorSpork (1080153) | about 4 years ago | (#33883714)

http://galaxymap.org/drupal/node/171 [galaxymap.org]

A quick Google search reveals some renderings of the Milky Way, compiling various theories. One of the illustrations has squarish features, but I can't find the "new map" that the article claims was supposedly released.

Re:Misleading article (1)

samkass (174571) | about 4 years ago | (#33884410)

Near as I can tell, that's because the authors haven't actually published a rendering. Here's their original paper [arxiv.org] (PDF). It contains lots of graphs of spirals and curves, but no pretty pictures for us illiterates.

Re:Misleading article (1)

Stregano (1285764) | about 4 years ago | (#33886414)

Yeah, this article talks about a renderring that was done, but not yet released

Re:Misleading article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883822)

The article has a picture of a galaxy with no caption. A casual reader will assume the picture is of our own galaxy, but it is actually a picture of M101.

And a causal reader would be fine suffering under that delusion until the end of his days. Now I'll wonder until I die what my galaxy looks like.

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO AND RUIN IT FOR ME?!

You insensitive clod (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883864)

The article has a picture of a galaxy with no caption. A casual reader will assume the picture is of our own galaxy, but it is actually a picture of M101.

M101 is my own galaxy!

Quickly ejected material (2, Interesting)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | about 4 years ago | (#33883156)

Note that the straight areas are orthogonal to the center and then begin their rotational curve somewhat further out. This implies that the material in those arms was ejected at a greater speed than the arms closer in. It also means that those arms are younger than others since the straight areas have not had time to settle into a standard curved shape.

Pretty cool stuff, /.

Re:Quickly ejected material (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883906)

...spiral arms aren't "ejected" from the core in any sense. Your post is nonsense dressed up to look reasonable to the ignorant.

Re:Quickly ejected material (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 4 years ago | (#33885548)

BadAnalogyGuy long ago morphed into simply BadPostGuy.

Re:Quickly ejected material (2, Informative)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | about 4 years ago | (#33886402)

Let's be honest. Slashdot doesn't really have a need for a dedicated "bad analogy guy". There are so many people here who do a great job at it everyday for free. A "bad post guy" is also redundant, for the most part.

Re:Quickly ejected material (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 4 years ago | (#33886562)

Sure but the analogies were deliberately and amusingly bad, which can't be said for most bad analogies or for that matter the just plain bad posts like the OP. I can understand getting tired of doing the shtick, that's fine, I'm just saying the transition to being just yourself hasn't been a positive one from my point of view.

Re:Quickly ejected material (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33886708)

Sorry, I'm the new guy. This account just needed some quick karma.

BAG

Re:Quickly ejected material (4, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 4 years ago | (#33884058)

Galactic arms aren't ejected from the core. They're just waves of star formation. They appear bright because they have more young, bright stars than the areas between arms.

Sesame Street (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883172)

Its Hip to be a square...

Square-shaped (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about 4 years ago | (#33883204)

(Speaking of spiral galaxies...) in the olden days, we used to call that svastika-shaped...

Re:Square-shaped (2, Informative)

monoqlith (610041) | about 4 years ago | (#33883310)

The Milky Way is a Nazi!

Re:Square-shaped (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883378)

You've just Godwin'd our entire galaxy?

Re:Square-shaped (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33883658)

Did monoglith do it, or was it Mr. Godwin?

Re:Square-shaped (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about 4 years ago | (#33884712)

Wait, does that mean we lose automatically, and that I for one should welcome our new Andromedan overlords?

A Barred spiral (5, Informative)

pinguwin (807635) | about 4 years ago | (#33883226)

Evidence of a few years ago, revealed that the Milky Way was a barred spiral, http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050825.html [nasa.gov] , wonder how these two findings will mix.

Re: A Barred spiral (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 4 years ago | (#33883546)

Given that it's the Milky Way, they should've figured that square bars would come into it somewhere. I'm anticipating white fluffy stuff and/or nougat in the core depending on where the discoveries are made.

Re: A Barred spiral (1)

Mark_Uplanguage (444809) | about 4 years ago | (#33883670)

From the summary, "So ours probably looks something like this."

My only comment is that it does probably look something like M101, right up until somebody discovers something else that makes it look like a dodecahedron...I just like saying dodecahedron :)

Re: A Barred spiral (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 4 years ago | (#33884156)

Great, going into the direction of one ancient symbol, still popular in large parts of Asia but somewhat infamous for the last half a century in our cultural sphere...

(maybe not that strange though - one of the hypotheses is that galaxies, in the times when it was still possible to see them without light pollution, are what inspired it)

Re: A Barred spiral (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 4 years ago | (#33885654)

That only references the core of the galaxy, not the shape of the spiral arms. The picture itself is just an artist's representation (unlike the article, which is a picture of a completely different galaxy).

New Theme Song (1)

Covalent (1001277) | about 4 years ago | (#33883230)

Who lives in a Universe near M33 "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" Full of main sequence stars are we "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" If M class planets be something you wish "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" Then take a trip to our galactic dish "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" READY "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" "Milky Way SquareGalaxy" "Milky Way SquareGalaxeeeeeeeeee"

Bizarro Galaxy (3, Informative)

dpilot (134227) | about 4 years ago | (#33883232)

I think I've seen this kind of thing before... squares and octagons instead of circles and elipses. That's right, it was in Superman comics I read as a kid. We live in the Bizarro Galaxy.

Re:Bizarro Galaxy (1)

mr_mischief (456295) | about 4 years ago | (#33883430)

That explains so much.

Not news (1, Interesting)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | about 4 years ago | (#33883240)

The article is describing a "barred spiral" galaxy. Not only have these been observed, but it's been theorized for some time the Milky Way is one.

Re:Not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883446)

There's always one of you, isn't there...

Yes news. (4, Informative)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 4 years ago | (#33883630)

No, the article is not describing a barred spiral galaxy. A barred spiral [wikipedia.org] is one where there is a strong bar of stars across the galactic core (and extending well beyond it), and then "normal" spiral arms extend outward (mostly) from the two ends of the bar. The Milkyway is indeed thought to be a barred spiral.

What the article is describing is a spiral galaxy where the spiral arms themselves are straight in parts. And yes these have been observed (as shown in TFA where the Pinwheel galaxy is pictured, notice the lack of a central bar), but no it was not as far as I know theorized that the Milkyway had such a structure until now. Thus, news.

Re:Yes news. (1)

jez9999 (618189) | about 4 years ago | (#33884574)

No, the article is not describing a barred spiral galaxy. A barred spiral is one where there is a strong bar of stars across the galactic core

I think we now have a pretty good idea that at the galactic core is Steve [nocookie.net] .

I for one... (3, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about 4 years ago | (#33883400)

welcome our new nazi galactic overlords.

At last (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 4 years ago | (#33883414)

Now we have real evidence: all of this is a gigantic Tetris game.

Begin mapping (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 4 years ago | (#33883438)

Alrighty, well this will make divvying up the galaxy into quadrants. I recommend a simple naming scheme: Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Gamma. Umm... I'm not sure where the Neutral Zone should go.

Re:Begin mapping (2, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about 4 years ago | (#33883614)

Umm... I'm not sure where the Neutral Zone should go.

Ummmm ... isn't the Neutral Zone still in the Alpha quadrant?

That should cover the Federation, Cardassians, Romulans and Klingons at least, no? It's not like it's "somewhere else", it's just a buffer zone between people already in the Alpha Quadrant.

as long (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 4 years ago | (#33883462)

as long as it's not a rhombus.

www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/9/

No, they have it wrong... (1)

destruk (1136357) | about 4 years ago | (#33883482)

It's a cube, not a square. If scientists go around saying it's a square shape, then everyone will think the galaxy is flat.

Re:No, they have it wrong... (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 4 years ago | (#33883590)

Um, it is flat. While it has three dimensions, the spin causes most of the mass to be distributed at a plane, much like a hand-tossed Pizza.

See (*points*) here: we live right next to this piece of mushroom near the edge.

Re:No, they have it wrong... (-1, Redundant)

destruk (1136357) | about 4 years ago | (#33883722)

The Galaxy's dimensions are 100,000 light years in diameter and approximately 2,000 light years thick And it is ever-expanding, so perhaps at the beginning it was perfectly flat, but without knowing the acceleration of each dimension how can you say it's not expanding vertically? And then how do you know it's not horizontal or which way is up in space in relation to no valid point of reference? To say it is flat is simply another way weak minded people cope with what they see. You believe it is flat, just like you believe the basic laws of physics to be true. I don't consider it to be flat. Without actual organization and measurement of where every planetary body is located in the 2,000 light years of thickness, you can't really say it's flat unless they all line up exactly IMO. I would consider the area to be 'bumpy' as a compromise, but not flat. :)

Re:No, they have it wrong... (1)

cmiller173 (641510) | about 4 years ago | (#33884266)

The universe is ever expanding, the galaxy...not so much. The stars in the galaxy are orbiting the center, not moving away from it.

Re:No, they have it wrong... (1)

bigrockpeltr (1752472) | about 4 years ago | (#33886924)

you're thinking too small

Re:No, they have it wrong... (2, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | about 4 years ago | (#33883682)

But if the Galaxy if flat and the Earth is in the Galaxy, that means the Flat Earth Society was right all along!

Insane theories 1, regular theories like a million.

Re:No, they have it wrong... (2, Funny)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33883696)

They already think that space is a large chunk of fabric with giant marbles on it...

Re:No, they have it wrong... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 4 years ago | (#33885858)

They already think that space is a large chunk of fabric with giant marbles on it...

Giant marbles? More like tiny grains of sand that happen to also be fusion reactors with dust grains in the sand grains' orbits. Compared to galaxies, stars are tiny. Compared to the universe, galaxies are tiny.

Words without Story (or Pictures!) (5, Informative)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 4 years ago | (#33883508)

First off, the photo in the article is of the M101 Pinwheel Galaxy, not the Milky Way. Misleading, especially when you have to read all the way down to find out that tidbit and when the title includes 'New Map' we want to see the new map.

Secondly, we've known for quite some time that the Milky Way isn't a classic spiral. This Article gives a pretty interesting breakdown plus actual pictures [galaxymap.org] .

How do lines of stars stay straight? (1)

Sloppy (14984) | about 4 years ago | (#33883556)

My physics intuition (which unsurprisingly probably doesn't work well on things the size of galaxies) tells me that even if I magically started with a straight-line structure, it would immediately start to become curved, as the closer-to-the-center stars orbit faster than the further out ones. No? How can these straight structures exist? And yeah, now that I think of it, that goes for "bar" galaxies too. WTF?

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33883644)

Dark Matter!

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (1)

Sloppy (14984) | about 4 years ago | (#33883662)

Now that i think of it, central bars aren't necessarily crazy, provided they aren't "spinning," but instead, the stars are just moving toward or away from the center. But that's not what really happens, is it?

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 4 years ago | (#33883728)

I'm still not convinced that it's a bar as much as it's two large clusters on opposite sides of the center that are "throwing off the measurements." I can only speculate though.

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (2, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 4 years ago | (#33884150)

First, the galaxy doesn't work like the solar system - the orbital velocity of stars doesn't depend strongly on their distance from the centre.

Second, the arms aren't believed to be persistent structures formed from individual stars but density waves that cause increased star formation where they pass. So the arms appear to be very distinct because they have more young, bright stars in them while the space between arms is more older, dimmer stars.

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (1)

Bergs007 (1797486) | about 4 years ago | (#33885138)

density waves

Care to expand on what these are? Thanks!

Re:How do lines of stars stay straight? (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 4 years ago | (#33885678)

You do realize it takes billions of years for gravity to make any changes at these distances right?

They can "stay straight" for longer than our planets existence and still ultimately be smoothed out.

Not squarish to my eye (2, Informative)

rwllama (587787) | about 4 years ago | (#33883634)

To see the plot, read the paper [arxiv.org] (PDF), not the article. Figure 4 does not look like a square to me. Figure 7 has some squarish shapes drawn over the plot, but it is not highly convincing. Further, these squarish orbits appear in the inner parts of the Galaxy, not the outer shape as one might assume. Orbital shapes change with radius as different gravitational resonances dominate at different distances.

Square? (1)

tinskip (76833) | about 4 years ago | (#33883666)

A square spiral galaxy with straight arms? Oh, my God! It's a giant swastika!

Maybe my geometry interpolators aren't the best, but other than a couple of straight arms on one side (looking at the picture), it doesn't look all that "square" to me, much less "distinctly square".

Minecraft Compatible (2, Insightful)

Odonian (730378) | about 4 years ago | (#33883772)

Notch will approve.

Now we know (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | about 4 years ago | (#33883788)

Now we know why no extresstrial civilization has made contact with us. We are the nerdy square sitting in the corner at the dance, with a pocket protector full of pencils.

where is the stargate map? (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 4 years ago | (#33883876)

where is the stargate map?

galaxy = TIME CUBE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33884034)

Singularity educators are unfit to even live.
Wisdom is a Cubic measure of Knowledge.
Via Cubic Wisdom, I am the wisest human.
Mind must see Cube eyes can't comprehend.
Time Cube impose 4 corners on Earth sphere.
Earth sphere is Cubic with rounded corners.

Shaped like a... (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | about 4 years ago | (#33884180)

Swastika, then???

OMG the ancients were right!

So it looks like a swastika? (2, Funny)

stumblingblock (409645) | about 4 years ago | (#33884276)

Pictures of our galaxy would be prohibited in Germany then, I guess.

Suspected as much. (3, Funny)

jitterman (987991) | about 4 years ago | (#33884390)

All the cool galaxies staying way the hell away from us and all.

Arms to Armas (1)

DynaSoar (714234) | about 4 years ago | (#33885366)

"Astronomers know of a number of other galaxies with straight arms, such as the pinwheel galaxy M101. So ours probably looks something like this."

Astronomers know of spirals and barred spirals. TFA says SOME of the arms are straight. There aren't many 'both' spirals. Most likely the different shapes of arms represent this galaxy's original arms and those of the galaxy it absorbed, in which our sun originated. Compared to the problems of evolving differently shaped arms, this is the simpler explanation, and testable by observation.

Ah, the Milky Way. (2, Funny)

PhxBlue (562201) | about 4 years ago | (#33885458)

Be there and be square!

Too late (1)

otaku244 (1804244) | about 4 years ago | (#33885818)

Sooo... the Milky Way is a Na.... DAMN! Beat me to it.

Wait, what? (1)

Torodung (31985) | about 4 years ago | (#33885928)

So basically, our galaxy is rendered in a 3d skybox [wikipedia.org] ?

Hey God! 1999 called...

LOL

mod Up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33886210)

Have I failed as a scientist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33886556)

Because I refuse to believe the conclusion of given evidence, and have Faith that when looked in 'the big picture' with all things taken into consideration, it will resemble more that of the spiral form than that of a square.

Have I become a man of faith, resembling that of a Religious man?

Or is this heresy?

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