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I guess that means (4, Interesting)

halfEvilTech (1171369) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907150)

for the next 2 years while this is in effect, the online music services will be raising their prices to milk the system.

They most likely won't but I wouldn't put it past those seeing this as a good money grab opportunity.

Re:I guess that means (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907182)

Coming up next, the story of the $400 "If I had a Hammer".

Re:I guess that means (2, Informative)

ribuck (943217) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907186)

Well of course, the intention is to divert taxpayers' money into the "legal music download" industry.

Re:I guess that means (3, Interesting)

DavidTC (10147) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907854)

No shit.

Hey, let's give people a government-enforced ownership and monopoly over a thing, and then subsidize purchases of it.

If you want to let people download for free, weaken copyright somehow, you idiots. Demand that to have a copyright, you have to give the government X free copies of it or something, and the government can give those out.

This is just stupid.

Re:I guess that means (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908154)

Oh, just calm down. It's France, not the US. We all know they haven't whole-heartedly embraced US-style capitalism. They seem to be getting along just fine, and just because they did something doesn't mean we will.

Re:I guess that means (1)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908184)

RTFA:

The scheme requires website operators to contribute a reduction in the price of the music, an extension of the duration of the subscription or a contribution to the cost of advertising the card. However as it caps the benefit each operator may draw from the scheme at €5 million there are concerns that the largest operators such as iTunes, FNAC and Amazon may not participate.

Doesn't sound like government enforcement, ownership or monopoly. However, I would have a problem with any of my taxes going to Apple or Amazon or whoever, which seems to be the idea here.

Re:I guess that means (3, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907220)

for the next 2 years while this is in effect, the online music services will be raising their prices to milk the system.

Probably yes, and that would show how stupid they are.

If I were a teenager, I wouldn't really care about the subsidy. All I would want to know is what I'd be getting for my money. If I had to spend 25 euros on a 50 euros card to get 20 euros worth of music I wouldn't do it.

As usual, the taxpayer gets fucked. And the music companies, even with the subsidy, will get less than what they would if they had reasonable prices.

Re:I guess that means (4, Insightful)

andrea.sartori (1603543) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907448)

Not really. If you were a teenager, you would gladly spend your 25, buy 50 worth of music, and when the card is depleted you would go back to downloading illegally.

Re:I guess that means (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907644)

If they use it at all - let's face it, this initiative is not aimed at students who want to buy music, they're already doing so (this might let them buy a bit more) - it's aimed at those who just don't want to buy music at all while it's available free and easy. The best way to combat that attitude is to make music cheap enough that it's essentially free anyway (remove the barrier to impulse buys). Even former label head Rob Dickins agrees this is the best approach [bbc.co.uk] - my price point for new albums is now about £5, if they go over that by even a few pennies, I just don't think it's worth the risk losing money on potential dross. If they were a quid I'd buy a hell of a lot more.

Re:I guess that means (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907996)

The problem is, reducing the prices to 1 pound (~$1.60 US) wouldn't do much to stop piracy - it still costs money, and pirated copies are still free. If the decision to pirate is an economic one, you won't do much to end it by reducing the price, even drastically, unless the price drops to "free". If it's not an economic decision, then you've done nothing to change the fundamental objection someone has to paying for music.

Let's be honest, 99 cents for a new song is not much of a barrier to impulse buys, if you already have a computer & an internet connection, and probably an mp3 player (or a phone that does that job) as well.

If you reduce the price of albums to near that level, you've pretty much guaranteed that what you'll end up with is the one hit single plus 8-10 other generic throwaway songs that nobody will ever care to listen to.

Re:I guess that means (1)

partofthepuzzle (1707364) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908176)

>If you reduce the price of albums to near that level, you've pretty much guaranteed that what you'll end up with is the one hit single plus 8-10 other generic throwaway songs that nobody will ever care to listen to.

Haven't we been pretty much guaranteed that for most albums for the last 40+ years, while we're paying $10 - $15?

Re:I guess that means (2, Interesting)

Xemu (50595) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908086)

If I was a teenager, I would have bought as many €25 cards I could afford and sold them on ebay for €( 25+x% profit ) to adults wanting to save on their purchases. This scheme is doomed to fail quick.

Re:I guess that means (2, Interesting)

Xemu (50595) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908152)

...and as a grown up, I will be selling music in France-- "Buy my song for €50 and get €25 cash-back!"

Re:I guess that means (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907240)

Where do you get that they most likely won't? I probably won't be double, but an extra 50% increse is predictable.

Normally I'm a moderately liberal individual, and am for the government helping the people, but this is asinine. This is a luxury, not a necessity. This is promoting a specific business model that should survive or fail on it's own merits, not on some kind of corporate welfare.

W.T.A.F.?

Re:I guess that means (3, Insightful)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907524)

Normally I'm a moderately liberal individual,

You can be conservative and socially liberal as well. Don't believe the trolls that tell you that if you are a liberal, you must be for ANYTHING proposed by another self proclaimed liberal. The reverse is also true, you can be conservative and not... Oh how do they put it, 'view Somalia as a libertarian paradise.'

Re:I guess that means (2, Insightful)

CharlieHedlin (102121) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907856)

Apparently in order to participate they have to lower prices, but I still think this is a terrible use of public funds.

Re:I guess that means (1)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908212)

Liberalism, throughout most of the world including France, is usually considered a center-right political philosophy. Only in America is the word "liberalism" seen as "left-wing," which I think says a lot about Americans.

Re:I guess that means (2, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907268)

Buy Apple shares, quick!

There's a bunch of French taxpayer money about to be transferred to Apple's account.

Re:I guess that means (0, Flamebait)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907502)

5 million is chump change to Apple.

Re:I guess that means (1)

horza (87255) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907842)

5 million? In a post above I calculate that there are around 11M 12-25yr olds, and they get €25 each. I make that €275,000,000. Though I may well be wrong, feel free to correct me.

Phillip.

Re:I guess that means (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908072)

What they must not have mentioned is that at least 26 of that 50 has to be spent on music providers which are approved by the government as being sufficiently culturally French!

Re:I guess that means (0, Flamebait)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907388)

It's not a money grab if people are throwing money at you. I bet you blame the US Health Care industry for charging too much too.

Re:I guess that means (2, Interesting)

zeroshade (1801584) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907610)

When you consider that the "Health Care Industry" also includes the Health Insurance companies, yea. I do blame the Health Care Industry for charging too much too.

Among other problems in the industry...

Re:I guess that means (3, Interesting)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907400)

for the next 2 years while this is in effect, the online music services will be raising their prices to milk the system.

The French government is subsidizing entertainment for a select part of the population, and THIS is your concern?

Re:I guess that means (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907928)

They subsidise heating for old people because it's particularly relevant to them and a large percentage of old people don't have much money to splash around. Given that logic, maybe it's not a bad thing if they subsidise music for young people, because it's particularly relevant to them and a large percentage of young people don't have much money to splash around.

Re:I guess that means (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908020)

Isn't France supposed to be doing austerity right now? Like raising the retirement age from 60 to 62? (and omg protests!!!!!)

Glad this is France (3, Informative)

diskofish (1037768) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907156)

Our taxes are already spent on plenty of really really dumb stuff, last thing we need is "free" music downloads. Think of those poor sorry record companies though, how are they supposed to make any money?

Re:Glad this is France (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907178)

You know what the worst part is? That damn socialism! Stupid government getting in the way of private business...SAY NO TO THE GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER!!!! /sarcasm

Re:Glad this is France (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907258)

Hey, everyone has a right to own a successful music publishing company! It's just one of those basic human rights, along with food and water. If we can't get one ourselves thanks to the evil of CAPITALISM, then the government should just raise taxes, subsidise this and that, and damn well buy us one. And anyone who disagrees with me is a libertarian nazi Randroid.

Re:Glad this is France (1)

rolfc (842110) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907638)

Socialism? Where did you get that from? A conservative French government that subsidize the multinational media industry doesn't sound very socialist to me.

Re:Glad this is France (1)

CasperIV (1013029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907744)

I think by definition they can't be conservative while funding a program like this. It is like the "conservatives" in the US that claim the position of conservative while spending money like it's going out of fashion.... and a program like this actually would qualify as socialist as it is being done under the guise of social assistance. A social program doesn't have to make sense to still be a social program, just look at the welfare system.

Re:Glad this is France (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907798)

Socialism? Where did you get that from? A conservative French government that subsidize the multinational media industry doesn't sound very socialist to me.

The French like to comment that Obama (Hugo Chavez) sounds Right-Wing Conservative to them. I have a feeling their choices are between Communism and Socialism.

Re:Glad this is France (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907942)

It DOES sound very socialist to me.

Just because the welfare recipients are corporations doesn't make it any less socialistic.

Re:Glad this is France (2, Interesting)

diskofish (1037768) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907690)

You're missing the point. Why should I be forced to pay a private content provider to provide a service?

I can't see this providing any social or cultural value: most of the music people are going to be downloading is probably going to be readily available. This is why it is a waste. A better use of the money would be to invest it into music education programs where people actually LEARN how to play and make music.

I am not against government spending, so long as there is real measurable value in that spending.

Re:Glad this is France (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908104)

You indicate that what you're saying is sarcasm, but it's not clear what you're being sarcastic about.

Is it that you think this program is a good thing? Is it that you think it's *not* socialism? Is it that you think the GP post is off-base for saying this is a dumb way to spend tax money?

Because frankly, it's hard to see where this is anything but a waste of tax money that serves no purpose other than shoveling French taxpayer's money into the pockets of music industry executives.

Re:Glad this is France (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907214)

think of those poor sorry record companies though, how are they supposed to make any money

I know you're being sarcastic but maybe they're really not supposed to. Maybe a mark of a great society is one where record executives, lawyers and politicians don't get rich.

Re:Glad this is France (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907264)

I know you're being sarcastic but maybe they're really not supposed to. Maybe a mark of a great society is one where record executives, lawyers and politicians die cold, hungry, alone and unloved.

Not particularly fond of this particular meme, but... FTFY

Re:Glad this is France (1)

zeroshade (1801584) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907636)

I know you're being sarcastic but maybe they're really not supposed to. Maybe a mark of a great society is one where record executives, lawyers and politicians die cold, hungry, alone and unloved.

Not particularly fond of this particular meme, but... FTFY

Record executives and politicians dying cold, hungry, alone and unloved? Sounds like a paradise.... =P

Re:Glad this is France (1)

horza (87255) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907812)

France has 63.8 million people, 59.8% of which are 15-60. Assuming a fairly even distribution that works out around 11 million 12-15 yr olds. If they all take advantage then this is a €275,000,000 gift to the record labels from Sarkozy.

Bearing in mind that friend of Sarkozy's family Thierry Lhermitte [wikipedia.org] is board director on the company Trident Media Guard [wikipedia.org] that is enforcing the 3-strikes Internet disconnection "Hadopi", it wouldn't be surprising to find the money from this also making its way back into familiar pockets.

Phillip.

Fraud (4, Interesting)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907158)

How many cards can I get and can I buy my own music with it from my own 'label'?

Re:Fraud (2, Informative)

1000101 (584896) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907202)

FTFA:

Cards are limited to one per person, per year and the French government expects one million cards will be sold each year.

Re:Fraud (2, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907542)

I think the French government hasn't done the math.

Choice A: Spend €25, get €50 of music legally, download the other €999,950* of music from the Internet.

Choice B: Spend €0, download €1000000 of music from the Internet.

Which do you choose?

Of course option B is just more proof that people will still download even when prices are 'dropped'(**).

[*] Numbers provided by the RIAA
[**] Only the RIAA could see this as a 'price drop'.

Re:Fraud (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907420)

More to the point, how many music 'labels' will start selling albums for 50 Euros with a 37 Euro rebate? You pay 25 Euros, the taxpayer pays 25 Euros, I give you all of your 25 and half of the taxpayer's 25 back (minus credit card processing fees) in exchange for my album (which is a compilation of random public domain sound clips).

Re:Fraud (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907958)

I honestly don't see how that's any more fraudulent than the intended purpose of the card. In either case the tax payer is ripped off and money is going to someone who didn't earn it.

Re:Fraud (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908026)

Pretty ingenious - the only flaw is that it relies on students to get off their arses and make use of your system, and this depends entirely on how easy the French government make it to get the cards. If students have to fill out a form and go buy postage and send them off, I wouldn't count your chickens. If they hand them out in bars, you'll be a millionaire :)

Which music store ? (2, Interesting)

psergiu (67614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907170)

25€ to be spent in WHICH music store ? iTunes, Amazon, Napster ?

Re:Which music store ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907772)

25€ to be spent in WHICH music store ? iTunes, Amazon, Napster ?

From TFA:

there are concerns that the largest operators such as iTunes, FNAC and Amazon may not participate.

Free music store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907806)

If this crazy idea passes, perhaps a free-as-in-freedom organization such as Musopen could sell downloads of free music to let people direct these subsidized "profits" to a good cause?

Re:Free music store? (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908158)

Oh good, just what we need. More shitty electronica from DJ Neckbeard, released under Creative Commons.

I guess the French outdid themselves again. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907172)

Musical socialism?

Re:I guess the French outdid themselves again. (4, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907236)

More like fascism, this is just a form of corporate welfare. The industry couldn't figure out how to deal with piracy so now the government is subsidizing their products.

Ultimately it won't work, I doubt very much that this will really convince people to stop pirating. And on the unlikely event that it works, the question really is why does the French government need to provide a subsidy to what was apparently an issue of supply and demand.

By all means crack down on those that are distributing the copies, but that's the responsibility of the recording industry, not the government.

Re:I guess the French outdid themselves again. (2)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907646)

The real question that bugs me is how much does this have to do with the President's wife being a recording artist?

No subsidies? No blowjobs for you!

Re:I guess the French outdid themselves again. (1, Insightful)

DrEasy (559739) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907620)

Ok, we need to stop saying France is a socialist country. Sarkozy is anything but socialist. And this latest idea is much more in line with what a neo-con government would do, which is to subsidize the private sector.

Truly amazing (4, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907216)

France has regular riots with minorities, an economy down the drain, one hell of a reputation with the deportation of Roma and now it gives a 200 million euro subsidy to the music industry?

Just WTF?

Is his wife payed for by the music lobby? And it still requires people that in the plan are claimed to be unwilling to pay for music, to pay for music. Just not so much. Once...

And why does the state have to pay for this? Can't the music industry itself offer a discount action? Why must the average french taxpayer pay for 50% off for some kid for an American song with the money going abroad?

This isn't even corruption anymore. It shows a level of detachment from reality in the French government that is closer to insanity. "Let them eat cake", at least showed an awareness that the issue was related to food. This proposal doesn't even grasp. "42, beezlebug for I am, bibble", Marie Antoinette was heard to say, just before her head came off. Insanity.

Re:Truly amazing (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907332)

Is his wife payed for by the music lobby?

Of course not! A mistress is uncertain of her wage; a wife has none.

Re:Truly amazing (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907468)

Methinks the Sarkozy government has some very strange priorities indeed. Either that or they're all sleeping on giant piles of money from the music industry. I would go with the latter.

Re:Truly amazing (1)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907974)

I don't see what's particularly different about this from Cash for Clunkers, aside from this being a more direct subsidy.

Re:Truly amazing (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908028)

"42, beezlebug for I am, bibble", Marie Antoinette was heard to say, just before her head came off. Insanity.

Got a citation for that? Everywhere I've looked said her last words were "Monsieur, I beg your pardon."

Re:Truly amazing (2, Informative)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908138)

Is his wife payed for by the music lobby?

Considering Nicolas Sarkozy's wife [wikipedia.org] is herself a "singer/songwriter", it's less likely she's paid for my the music lobby and more likely she actually is the music lobby. It's baffling logic, to say the least - to combat the fact that a percentage of young people are consuming music without paying for it, we'll make a percentage of older people pay for music without consuming it!

State aid? (5, Interesting)

Krakadoom (1407635) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907218)

How is that not illegal state aid under EU law? Because they dont target specific content providers? Sounds highly dubious.

If there's any European people reading... (2, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907422)

Vote Pirate Party in the next elections. It's the only sane thing to do.

Re:State aid? (2, Informative)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908206)

EU law is about promoting competition between member states (and theoretically non-member states, although in practice I'm sure they care far less about that). Since this apparently applies to all content providers, it doesn't technically disadvantage anyone unlike, for instance, if they offered subsidies on music performed in French, which would blatantly favour national over international content. Outside this remit, the EU is pretty much powerless to intervene, it's much more a local issue if you feel your government is wasting money during a time of economic crisis and "austerity measures" by propping up an ailing business model.

Headline clarification (2, Insightful)

Thornae (53316) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907244)

Note that this is "may" in the sense of "is permitted to," rather than "might."

One quick question? (3, Insightful)

xednieht (1117791) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907256)

Where does the French government "earn" it money from? The French government isn't subsidising squat, the French people are.

Re:One quick question? (1)

need4mospd (1146215) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908224)

And they'll end up paying interest on the money spent, meaning however much is thrown away at this program, the REAL cost will be much higher.

This must be part of their plan to join the PIGS. What would that make it, PFIGS?

Also in the news (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907266)

French government subsidises breathing air. You will be able to buy a €50 card for just €25, the rest of which will be paid for by the state. Any guess how many takers there will be?

There is more music than you can listen to (2, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907278)

In a normal market, that would lead to lower prices.

Even in an abnormal market, it will lead to lower prices eventually.

(There are also more movies than you can ever see now, more tv shows, more books).

Unless the music, book, movie, etc. is spectacularly special, I'll choose the less expensive one first.

I stopped paying over $10 for DVD's several years ago. Actually, I mostly just stopped buying DVD's as I realized they were clogging up the house and I was never going to watch most of them again.

Re:There is more music than you can listen to (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908296)

Same here - I don't "download", but I've set myself a very strict price cap on buying content, which tends to be around £5 for both music albums and DVDs. That's the maximum I'm prepared to risk on something being poor quality, even then I'm very picky about what I buy and I'll only ever break the cap for something I know I'll enjoy. If they could drop the prices of these things to £2 - 2.50, I'd be willing to risk my money far more often - I'm sure a lot of other people would follow suit.

It would be nice to see them at least experiment with such a pricing model, my feeling is they'd actually generate more money from the massive uplift in sales (£2 would be practically giving it away, which instantly makes "free, but with a chance of legal repercussions" seem less attractive), but it seems nobody in the music industry has the kind of courage or foresight to even trial a model like this. I suspect this is because, while it would be effective for the download market, it would harm bricks and mortar stores selling physical copies who just wouldn't be able to compete at that price point.

And what does this say to those 12-25 (2, Interesting)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907354)

'Free' music is your god given right, so much so they government even gives it to you as a social service?

what happens when those cards run out (quickly)? Yea a bunch of 'kids' who now think they are entitled to it are going to steal it and have a whole new mindset about doing so

FTFY (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907376)

Young people can purchase a €50 card for just €25, with the balance paid by the taxpayers.

This certainly sounds like the perfect deal for the record companies though -- basically state-sponsored welfare for them.

I wonder what I'd have to do to get a product listed on the "government gift certificate" list.

Wow... (3, Interesting)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907390)

Can the french government get any worse? First they implement the 3 strikes law.

Now they will throw 25 million euros a year (according to their estimates) - in order to pay the music industry. Why not grab the 25 million and use them to build more parks, or reduce homelessness, or put into education?

Answer: Because there aren't any 'homelessness lobbies'

Oblig Captain Hammer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907672)

I hate the homeless ... ness problem that plagues this city.

Why the middlemen? (2, Interesting)

porneL (674499) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907428)

Cut out the middlemen and give it directly to recording industry lobbyists.

Re:Why the middlemen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907532)

+1 corruption :D

you only need music if you are 12-25 years old (1)

plastick (1607981) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907434)

Ya, I see where this is going. What, people in the late 20's and up don't listen to music? Oui oui, it's le racism! And what happens when the cash is gone? They won't need to download any more music? I honestly can't fathom how this helps anyone except for the same music publishers who have raped us with their music prices for decades. You know what this really is? Some deal was made behind closed doors.

Re:you only need music if you are 12-25 years old (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907472)

<quote>I honestly can't fathom how this helps anyone except for the same music publishers who have raped us with their music prices for decades</quote>

I think the biggest question is "Is it supposed to?"

This is the same government which put in the 3-strikes law for filesharers, let me remind you that.

Re:you only need music if you are 12-25 years old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907546)

No, this means that you have to start having kids at age 12, so when you're 25, you can use your kids to buy music.

Just you wait... (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907450)

... until the RIAA decides that they want that money the customers saved thanks to the subsidies and sues the legit downloaders, despite having received government grant money for that very amount.

money for nothing (and your cheques for free) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907466)

Why dont they just write a cheque to the record industry and cut out the middle man.

Re:money for nothing (and your cheques for free) (2, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908088)

Why dont they just write a cheque to the record industry and cut out the middle man.

Because the point of this program is to train the 12-25 yo crowd to pay for music. Apparently the French government believes they're all pirates (who might vote pirate party if not trained).

Musician's websites should offer them instead (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907506)

Dump the middleman who is profiting from the hard work of the musicians and producers and just buy the music directly from the artist.

For example: Purchase Radiohead In Rainbows [uk.com] for 7.5 pounds or $12 US.

Seems fair to me.

Only music? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907508)

Not all teenagers are obsessed with music.

Why can't Jean-Paul use his €25 to buy books or clothes?

I guess the French have learned nothing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907518)

about the dangers of letting their population suck too much from the government entitlement tit. Odd, since riots over pension cuts are shutting down Paris right now. "Oui oui, we can't afford to pay people to retire at age 35 any more, but we CAN give them free music! Let them eat iTunes!"

download with no guilt (0, Troll)

Jeek Elemental (976426) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907874)

The music industry has profited immensely from the basic human need to share with others.
Targeting teenagers who have no defense at all is the basic business model, turning them into sales representatives for the label on a massive scale.
It worked extremely well when copies were poor quality, basically acting as a teaser, produced at no cost to the label.

Now they have this terrible dilemma, how to exploit the same weakness when copies are bit perfect?
Well you cant, not without perverting the internet itself. A free internet is not compatible with that business model.

So if you find yourself tearing up over the plight of the music "industry", you should support packet inspection, 3 strikes, censorship etc.
You better have a copyright lawyer on standby, because there are countless ways you can infringe, without even knowing!

If on the other hand you think the internet is too important to twist to serve 1 slimy group of people (I guess it shines through where I stand), then you should not let the music lobby affect the internet or anything you do. Do not give them more money!

There have been music for quite a few centuries now, I doubt there will be silence, maybe a few less billionaire musicians.

Ridiculous... (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#33907916)

This is utterly stupid, why should the government (ie TAXPAYERS) pay content distributors?
If anything, the government should put pressure on those distributors to lower prices, not pay them off.

Good news, bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33907986)

The good news is that young people can now purchase music with a government subsidy. The bad news is that the subsidy only applies to classical music.

An Insult (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908056)

Art is suppose to be something governments try to suppress, which gives it more, pardon my french, séduire. Having the government approve your art is like having your mother approve your sexual technique.

How to increase availability of music and art (1)

devent (1627873) | more than 3 years ago | (#33908202)

"We welcome initiatives from member states to increase the availability of music online at a lower price for consumers and through legal distribution channels. Music online is certainly a driver for the success of the Internet and for economic development," said Almunia.

You know what will do that, without any extra money from the people? Just put copyright back to sane terms or abolish it altogether. Stop criminalizing a whole generation of people and stop cutting families off the internet based on accusations only.

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