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Facebook, Microsoft Team Up Against Google

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the pretty-soon-we-won't-have-to-talk-to-our-friends-at-all dept.

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Pickens writes "In a move that could be the biggest threat to Google's search standing yet, Microsoft and Facebook announced that they're teaming up for social search. When someone uses Bing's search engine to look for a new car or a book, she can see which ones her friends liked. While industry watchers say this is an interesting move for search, what's most notable is that Facebook turned to Microsoft for this deal and not to the market leader, Google. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg says there is a specific reason he wants to go with Bing: 'They really are the underdog here. They're incentivized to go out and innovate. They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things.' The real importance of this week's announcement is that it highlights the growing strategic conflict between Facebook and Google, says analyst Ray Valdes. 'There is a battle for the future of the Web, and it is not about search engines, but about the social Web.'"

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Plus. (5, Insightful)

PsyciatricHelp (951182) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909104)

Plus they gave me a bonus.

Re:Plus. (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909194)

Damn your bonus. The divide between Google and Facebook is why the official Facebook app for Android is worth about as much as a lump of coal in place of a roll of toilet paper.

I SAY GOOD DAY, SIR.

Re:Plus. (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909844)

Still makes me happy that I don't do Facebook, it seems like FB is one of the greatest threats to privacy these days. Governments use it to track their citizens etc.

Re:Plus. (2, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909256)

I don't think Microsoft has gotten to the "I'm going to go out of business" part yet, but they appear to be trying to speed it up with facebook.

I wonder how much more they think they can buy marketshare before they fail?

Re:Plus. (2, Interesting)

Hylandr (813770) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909632)

They can team up all they want, it doesn't mean I will start using Bing. I am pretty sure Google is safe.

Integrating Bing with the FB search function aught to be fairly entertaining.

- Dan.

Re:Plus. (1, Flamebait)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909672)

Microsoft fail? Good luck with that. They cannot fail; too much of business depends on Windows desktop/servers. If push came to shove, they would get bailout money. Not that they are anywhere close to neededing it....

Why is the parent modded informative? Oh because we hate Microsoft here....

Re:Plus. (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909856)

Why is the parent modded informative? Oh because we hate Microsoft here....

Why post the question you already know the answer too? Damnit, I just did it too!

Google - Diaspora (4, Insightful)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909122)

So is this a deliberate attempt for Facebook to allocate resources towards Diaspora? Are they deliberately fueling the two headed monster that will replace them?

Re:Google - Diaspora (1)

dx40sh (1773338) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909248)

Don't worry, shortly after Diaspora comes out, it'll get sued for IP/patent infringement or something. Because you know that somebody has a patent for something that could be construed as a social network, and they're leaving Facebook alone because they're being paid to do so.

Oh dear... (3, Interesting)

ocularsinister (774024) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909164)

I really am regretting ever creating a Facebook account. If things carry on in this direction, I shall delete the thing soon.

Re:Oh dear... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909180)

...I shall delete the thing soon.

That's what you think.

Regards,
Mark Z.

Re:Oh dear... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909840)

Yeah, your in for a Chinese puzzle trying to delete your facebook account. This is why when ever I take a social media app for a test run I create my account with totally bogus, useless information other than an email account I use only for non-professional friends. Good luck with that.

Re:Oh dear... (4, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909706)

I really am regretting ever creating a Facebook account. If things carry on in this direction, I shall delete the thing soon.

Those of us who found serious problems (mainly privacy-related) with Facebook from the very beginning, decided not to participate at all, and said so, tended to catch some flak for it. As in, something other than a well-reasoned rebuttal to the position. Usually this was in the form of someone's personal offense that I would point out a flaw in their favorite new service, or that I would steadfastly value the privacy they seem to have given up on.

"If things carry on in this direction" indeed. I think this is like many political proposals. People tend to look at short-term effects without considering that these represent movement in a particular direction. The path that the momentum is taking can be identified early on and the destination can be known long before the end of that path is reached. It is something of a law of nature that events tend to unfold, to evolve, to become more so, to continue along their current direction in a straight line unless some counter-force alters that path. The longer something goes on the more inertia it accumulates; the more inertia it has the greater that counter-force (or backlash) must be to have any effect.

I for one identified early on that Facebook and similar sites appeal to a form of vanity I do not personally possess. Even if I did find that tempting, vanity is not a rational reason to participate in something. They do this while coming with disadvantages I find unacceptable, such as the loss of control over any personal information posted there (read their privacy policies, they make this quite clear) and the extensive use of personal information for tracking and marketing purposes. As another poster has pointed out in reply to you, you have no real assurance that your account is ever truly deleted even after going through a needlessly complex process to request that this be done.

The pattern here is a valuable one to recognize and simplicity itself. When many proponents of something display that kind of denigrating personal offense when you question the purpose or usefulness of that thing, and resent that you question it rationally at all, it should be a red flag. I've rarely or never seen anyone do that when the object in question is an inherently good or useful thing that can stand on its own merits. The regret you express can be described as a lesson about popularity, trend, and bandwagon appeal and the unwarranted power these can have over your decision-making. To be sure, it is a valuable one.

Re:Oh dear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909744)

Do it! Do it! Do it!

Re:Oh dear... (2, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909796)

I really am regretting ever creating a Facebook account. If things carry on in this direction, I shall delete the thing soon.

The number one search hint when entering "dele" into the Google toolbar is "delete facebook account". Coincidence?

not the social web (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909166)

the gay web. everyone should be gay. there should be no straight people.

Re:not the social web (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909228)

"Oh Armand...our baby's all grown up...and we won't have any others." "Not without a miracle." -Birdcage

There is a battle for the future of... (4, Insightful)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909174)

There is a battle for the future of the Web, and it is not about search engines, but about the social Web

There is a battle for the future of people's *privacy*. On one side, ordinary people. On the other side, spooks and profiteers who tell us that "privacy doesn't matter".

Re:There is a battle for the future of... (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909648)

You left out the hordes of people who don't care about their privacy any more. I've been watching with mouth agape as we're all treating Total Information Awareness as a "feature".

Re:There is a battle for the future of... (3, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909660)

...And on the other other side, people like me, who know that a certain amount of privacy is actually useful, and a certain amount of personally-identifiable information is perfectly fine to give away without worrying about consequences. It takes some effort to maintain separate sets of public vs. private information, but it's possible to keep them separate.

Re:There is a battle for the future of... (4, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909694)

There is a battle for the future of the Web, and it is not about search engines, but about the social Web

There is a battle for the future of people's *privacy*. On one side, ordinary people. On the other side, spooks and profiteers who tell us that "privacy doesn't matter".

That is not where I would have drawn the line...

I would have said we had ordinary people on one side, and paranoid privacy geeks on the other side.

I'm not going to say that "privacy doesn't matter"... But our idea of privacy is a fairly modern invention. Move out to a small town and you'll quickly see what a lack of privacy really is. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing. Doesn't matter if you're on Facebook or not. It's just the relatively recent migration to large cities where you can get lost in the crowd that has created this idea of privacy.

Which isn't a bad thing. I like my privacy, personally.

But it isn't like Facebook/Google/Bing/Big Brother/whatever are eroding this ancient and mighty establishment called "privacy".

Re:There is a battle for the future of... (2, Insightful)

gstewart (453924) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909794)

And Facebook recently "upgraded" their security settings to supposedly "tighten" the privacy configuration on user profiles... Are they going to add a security setting that let's me choose to have my profile information and photos *excluded* from the Bing searches? I should hope so.

I have a hard enough time yelling at my 'friends' not to copy and repost my photos without proper security on their own profiles, and have partly resorted to watermarking all my images with my copyright to help tell people whose images they really are.

But, I would certainly drop the FB account if my photos end up in a search engine (and listen here, Facebook, I would know exactly where they came from!)

People use Bing? (1, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909178)

When we install IE7* at work and are prompted on first use, we change the default search to Google.

Bing is utter crap.

Ok, maybe mom and dad who were told they had to upgrade to continue using the web don't know any better, but surely people with the smallest amount of common sense change to Google (or something other than Bing).

*We have to use IE7 because many of our apps, including our multi-million dollar black hole ERP project using Oracle, won't run on IE8

Re:People use Bing? (2, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909274)

Bing is utter crap.

Maybe in general, but their "birds eye view" perspective in their mapping section kicks google's ass. I think google is trying to catch up, but it was too buggy to even work when I tried what sounded like the google equivalent.

Re:People use Bing? (3, Insightful)

Monchanger (637670) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909788)

That "in general" is where Google has won every single time, and why Microsoft fails time and time again to remain relevant. A single feature does not innovation make, nor will this minor feature matter to anybody who isn't shallow. Might as well argue that you prefer Microsoft's color scheme or fonts.

As long as Microsoft continues to launch unsuccessful products despite massive advertising campaigns, they will continue to stagnate and fall further behind Google and Apple.

Re:People use Bing? (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909330)

Why not use IE frame extension in FF?

Use FF and when you need to use the "multi-million dollar black hole ERP" web app, it switches to using IE's rendering engine in a FF tab.

Or am I being too optimistic?

Re:People use Bing? (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909488)

There's no official MSI version for remote installation and upgrading, nor can you install extensions remotely.

(You can deploy a portable version that does the same thing and is a simple copy and paste but I digress. But that's not easily upgradable anyway.)

Re:People use Bing? (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909776)

I bet if Chrome had an MSI package, an "IE Tab" extension and a was to install extensions remotely, FF will be locked-out of corps and IE would finally die.

The Firefox "MSI bug" is now 6 years old.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231062 [mozilla.org]

It seems Mozilla is waffling between using Wix (to get a TRUE MSI package) and just using MSI as a wrapper. Meanwhile nobody on the outside cares which way they swing.

Disclaimer: I package MSIs for a living.

Re:People use Bing? (2, Informative)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909420)

Bing is utter crap.

Why? Seems to work pretty well for me.

Ahem - "surely people with the smallest amount of common sense don't use Google more than they can help because of fears of how much data is being gathered by Google". I contend that's just as legitimate/silly an issue.

Re:People use Bing? (1)

dgun (1056422) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909448)

A multi-million dollar "thing" breaks between IE7 and IE8? Excuse me while I lolz.

Re:People use Bing? (1)

mnrasul (1677458) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909476)

including our multi-million dollar black hole ERP project using Oracle, won't run on IE8

SAP ERP?

Re:People use Bing? (3, Informative)

Boelcke (1922410) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909820)

Hm, it seems so many big companies like to spend millions of dollars on ERP disasters.

Still, it does seem simple to insert a tag to force IE8 to render in IE7mode. It would let everyone upgrade to IE8 on their PCs, which has to be worth some bonus points.

The EmulateIE7 tag below forces IE8 to render in IE7 mode (when enclosed in proper brackets)
meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"

"Social Web" is... (2, Insightful)

grepya (67436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909184)

...the "Push" of this decade.

Re:"Social Web" is... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909318)

...the "Push" of this decade.

It's actually a wonderful analogy. The social web traps the bugs (read: users) and allows the spiders (read: companies) to suck them dry. Eventually the social web gets tangled, and a new spider comes along to spin more line.

and why would I want this? (1)

txoof (553270) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909200)

I'm not sure why I would want this feature. What are the advantages? Would I not have already sought out my "expert" friends for their opinions? Then again, I hate the like features of Facebook. It's the least "social" gesture one can make.

Re:and why would I want this? (2, Insightful)

jonescb (1888008) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909252)

I've always wondered why they don't have a dislike option as well.

Re:and why would I want this? (4, Insightful)

Allicorn (175921) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909452)

Most folks/corporations/ip-rights-holders don't mind being "liked". But if you publicise loudly enough that you "dislike" them, they might sue to stop you.

As a consumer, you are only allowed two votes: Consent or Abstain. There is no Dissent.

Eventually there'll be no Abstain.

Re:and why would I want this? (1)

McGruber (1417641) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909572)

As a consumer, you are only allowed two votes: Consent or Abstain. There is no Dissent.

Also, 'Consent' or 'Abstain' are the only allowed votes that shareholders get.

Re:and why would I want this? (3, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909480)

Each item should have a red, yellow, and green button.
Green = Like
Red = Dislike
Yellow = indifferent but desperately lonely

Will never take off (4, Insightful)

jonescb (1888008) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909204)

This seems like one of those things that sounds like a cool idea but never takes off. Most people probably aren't hugely interested in seeing which cars their friends recommend. I think most people are still in the mindset that if they want someone's opinion on something they'll ask them directly. Maybe there are some interesting uses for this, but the cars example in the summary seems pretty bland.

Re:Will never take off (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909532)

More importantly the definition of the word "friend" on facebook is not the same as what it used to mean. Now it is just a random collection of insecure idiots who measure their self worth by the number of people who click through on their requests.

The likes and dislikes of random people I do not know is not a high priority. Sadly some will love this and help Balkanize the way we shop. Oh wait, this has already happened! We call people not in our shopping sphere "douchebags."

Once again microsoft tries to blunder in on something just about the time it peaks.

Re:Will never take off (1)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909542)

I, for one, think this idea sounds like one of those "sounded good at the time" things that happen when to drunken executives meet at a cocktail party. "let's leverage our synergies in marketing and social networking to make a web 2.0 customer driven blah blah blah."

Re:Will never take off (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909606)

Except for teens whose self-esteem comes from buying things that their peers like rather than developing their own fashion sense or opinion just yet. This is where the money is.

Re:Will never take off (1)

mclearn (86140) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909696)

I feel that you may be underestimating the power of the social search. By definition, Facebook exists because people *want* to be connected to each other. Social gaming platforms push the latest details of someone's accomplishments, people are constantly being invited (or otherwise [slashdot.org]) to groups they may have an interest in. Basically, any social context is now at the mercy of crowd-wisdom. I think social search is going to enable more of this behaviour, and I think if you dismiss it so easily, you just don't get social networks.

Re:Will never take off (2, Insightful)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909722)

Actually, they might... the key is what the word "friend" means on the social web, and what context surrounds the friendship relation.

When adding tags to your friends (already possible on Facebook using "friends lists"), you are providing that context. The search engine can use that to figure out which of your friends would have something relevant to say about whatever it is you are looking for.

Sure, you can ask your friends for their opinion directly. Your real friends. But on the social web (what's in a name?), you may not even know your online friends in real life. Especially in case of one-sided "friend" relationships such as bloggers or twitterers you might follow because they have useful knowledge of or opinions on subjects that interest you. That's the type of "friend" that is probably the most useful to refine search engine results.

Gender Bias (1)

alphax45 (675119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909216)

From the summary: "When someone uses Bing's search engine to look for a new car or a book, she can see which ones her friends liked."

Only she? So if a "he" searches it doesn't work?

Re:Gender Bias (2, Funny)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909424)

It does, but he wont make a decision based on what other people think is cute.

Re:Gender Bias (1)

mnrasul (1677458) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909546)

It does, but he wont make a decision based on what other people think is cute.

and in time and after constant bickering from his she, he will decide, maybe she should've made the decision.

Alot less emotional cost.

Re:Gender Bias (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909528)

Since there are no (accepted) English gender neutral pronouns for people and because saying he or she every time is tedious, many publications just switch back and forth through multiple examples to demonstrate that they aren't sexists. Wizards of the Coast does this in their books, they'll do Example A using all female pronouns and then do Example B using all male back and forth throughout the books.

I guess that's good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909232)

... if you want to drive the same kind of car as all your friends and need Facebook to tell you what kind of cars your friends drive.

What can see what... (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909236)

Bing's search engine to look for a new car or a book, she can see which ones her friends liked.

Does that mean MS has privileged access to facebook data? As in if your facebook 'friends' only disclose that information to 'friends' and not the entire world MS can still see it in order to catalog it (and do who knows what else with it)?

Re:What can see what... (1)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909296)

Yet another reason for me not to start using either Facebook or Bing.

Re:What can see what... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909468)

I only started using facebook when I got rid of my ex and realized I had been dragged down for so long that I didn't have a reliable way of getting in contact with of all my friends.

All this tells me (1)

DMiax (915735) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909266)

Facebook turned to Microsoft to implement the latest creepy feature obtained from harvesting user data. Somehow my trust in Google has just increased a bit. Surely they are not privacy fanatics, and they may be just laying low after the StreetView WiFi scandal, but still...

And obviously... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909270)

Awesome. So now when I search for porn I can see what my friends like, too. "Dude, I searched for Hentai and all I got was a bunch of suggestions that 'your friends also liked Yaoi'. WTF?"

Maybe a bit too much information (4, Insightful)

Quato (132194) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909286)

I can see it now.... I'll be shopping at Walgreens.com and there will be popups on that say what kind of Hemorrhoid cream my boss uses, and that my Aunt Grace just bought a some warming KY-Jelly.

Some things need to stay private.

Finally! The death of Facebook! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909288)

Microsoft have a habit of fatally betraying any company they "partner" up with. I couldn't have picked a better candidate for such a fate!

Re:Finally! The death of Facebook! (1)

super_geek_1234 (1205690) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909734)

Every company Microsoft has selected to work with, has lost intellectual assets. The plot of the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" includes the part where Bill Gates essentially ripped off the DOS operating system and licensed it to IBM. Also there was the part about Bill Gates working for Apple computers while Microsoft created the Windows graphical user interface.

Mr. Vonnegut (1)

rohar (253766) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909292)

Oh, she says, well, you're not a poor man. You know, why don't you go online and buy a hundred envelopes and put them in the closet? And so I pretend not to hear her. And go out to get an envelope because I'm going to have a hell of a good time in the process of buying one envelope. I meet a lot of people. And, see some great looking babes. And a fire engine goes by. And I give them the thumbs up. And, and ask a woman what kind of dog that is. And, and I don't know. The moral of the story is, is we're here on Earth to fart around. And, of course, the computers will do us out of that. And, what the computer people don't realize, or they don't care, is we're dancing animals. You know, we love to move around. And, we're not supposed to dance at all anymore.

Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. [wikiquote.org]

wait....mark said WHAT?! (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909306)

incentivized to go out and innovate??? Someone forgot this Bing technology which microsoft has innovated so greatly is mostly just yahoo under the hood. based on the core technology alone, one could surmise they dont have many intelligent folks working long hours on this. I suspect the real reason was a nice, greasy palm full of cash from microsoft.

as for the social web i could take it or leave it, mark. People forget the original "social web" was IRC and usenet. All you've offered arguably is a clever sand box for market research and a communications system that doesn't challenge anyone to engage in a real conversation.

Do we really like our "friends" so much ? (1)

grepya (67436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909336)

I think they might be overestimating how much we really like our "friends"... specially the ones on facebook.

PR Translation (5, Insightful)

c (8461) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909352)

They really are the underdog here.

"Their search engine sucks."

They're incentivized to go out and innovate.

"They gave us a lot of money"

They have all these smart people and are trying
to do all these new things.

"They're rich and desperate. Ka-ching!"

Re:PR Translation (1)

loftwyr (36717) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909446)

Microsoft also owns a part of Facebook so that would also force them to work together.

Re:PR Translation (0, Troll)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909670)

As much as it hurts to say this, I'd rather use Bing than Google for searches nowadays. I just get tired of Google hits flooding me with advertising and not what I'm looking for. Maybe Bing will get there one day, too, but I'm having better luck with it right now.

Granpa Google (4, Interesting)

dasdrewid (653176) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909358)

They're incentivized to go out and innovate. They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things.

I mean, jeez, yeah. The last thing I heard about Google doing was building cars that drive themselves in traffic. That's sooo mid-2000s... Facebing is looking to the future here! Those 500 people that I once knew in HS and college that I haven't talked to in 3+ years and that every time I do I'm reminded of why I don't talk to them (nothing in common, completely antithetical views on most things, too many freaking country-club-kiddies who don't know the difference between Bing and Best Buy)? Those are *definitely* the people who's likes I want showing up first in my search engine results!

Now, to be fair, Microsoft does actually have some pretty sweet research going on. And while most of that research is in things pretty unrelated to search, a lot of Google's research is also pretty unrelated to search. But to say that you're going with Bing over Google because Bing is "incentivized to innovate" sounds like that phrase had it's own paragraph in the contract, right above where the $ was followed by a dozen "0"s.

Hey, gotta pay for the Newark school system somehow, right?

Botnets anyone? (3, Insightful)

savvysteve (1915898) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909362)

The idea of Facebook and Microsoft teaming up together is very scary. Two companies riddled with security flaws... Those running the botnets are smiling from ear to ear because they see more victims.

Plus the cash, don't forget the cash... (1)

Caffinated (38013) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909378)

"They really are the underdog here," Zuckerberg said. "They're incentivized to go out and innovate. They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things."

...plus the cash, the huge, huge bags of cash...that really helped clarify our decisionmaking...

They have all these smart people and are trying .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909380)

...They have all these smart people and are trying to do all these new things...

In a previous life I dealt with sending microsoft data for a partnership. There "smart people" could not handle the text data in any compressed format. Not .gz, not tar.gz, not .bz , not even .zip . Smart guys...right.

Lemmings (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909404)

When someone uses Bing's search engine to look for a new car or a book, she can see which ones her friends liked.

And with a map interface, we can all see which cliff all the other rodents are leaping off today.

The "Social Web" is a lie (1, Troll)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909410)

Not that anyone here has fallen victim to the waste of time that is facebook. Rather this is just a vehicle for me to say:

"Hey, you got your waste of time website in my crappy OS! Well, you got your crappy OS all over my useless marketing engine disguised as a "social web tool" Mmmmm, two shitty tastes that taste even shittier together! Reese's Social Net-Hype Cups! Now with extra marketing!"

Great! Now I can pretend to stay connected to people I would not bother to see in real life, all with tons of ads, shitty web apps, and completely search-able! Where do I sign?!

Translation: (5, Interesting)

Todd Knarr (15451) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909412)

Translation of Zuckerberg's comments: "Microsoft has loads of cash, and they're willing to cut me an insanely good deal and throw money my way if it's got any chance of giving them a leg up on Google.".

We're rooting for you Beowulf! (2, Funny)

Zarf (5735) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909418)

Go and slay Grendel! You can do it! Imma stay here behind this fortress of GPL. KTHXBAI.

Why would I want this? (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909422)

If I care about my friends' opinions on a particular topic, I ask them about it.

This is just so silly - doubly so, given the typical Facebook user's definition of "friend". Tell me, if you're doing a search - do you honestly care what random "Facebook Friend" Joe Schmoe, who you last met 20 years ago in daycare, liked or didn't like?

What, Google's worrying? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Showered (1443719) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909428)

Google's working on cars that drive by themselves.

What the fuck is Microsoft innovating?

Facebook is just a fad...

Re:What, Google's worrying? (2, Insightful)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909662)

I get your meaning and agree with you. However I want to point out that MS has a great number (thousands?) of patents and they have MS Research. And yet with all this they are still encumbered with maintaining the status quo in every s/w and h/w product they make. I'm inclined to guess they use 98% of their resources for perpetuating/maintaining their existing products and 2% on innovation while Google is probably 50/50.

Re:What, Google's worrying? (2, Insightful)

1000101 (584896) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909676)

Research Home [microsoft.com]
Research Areas [microsoft.com]

I have no idea if they are working on cars that will drive themselves and they don't advertise their 'Labs' as well as Google, but there is plenty of research going on at Microsoft. I know there are plenty of people who HATE all things Microsoft, but there are some really talented people working on really interesting things over there.

Recipe for disaster (2, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909454)

So it will suggest you things that your friends (not some anonymous person) like? Disclosing private things from unknown people is pretty bad already, but if start to disclose private things of people in your circle ("would you like to buy inflatable dolls like your friend Frank?" to put an easy example) could mean troubles for both Microsoft, Facebook, and all their users.

Re:Recipe for disaster (2, Funny)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909638)

If it's based on "like"-ing a product or brand, then that's already public to your circle of friends. Where is the spot in Facebook where I tell it my deep dark secrets that I don't want to be shared with anyone?

Welcome new forms of spam, yay! (2, Funny)

drewhk (1744562) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909486)

And new infection vectors for trojans...

"[blink]You are infected!!! [/blink] Your friend recommends this virus scanner".

ok, Facebook geeks, help me out... (2, Interesting)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909506)

I am determined to be the last person on the planet to sign up for Facebook. I hate the concept and I hate the leader.

That said, I think there's one feature that might sway me.

I use Yahoo IM extensively. I love it. I use it on my phone and on my PC. It's relatively anonymous, friends don't know who your other friends are, it's exactly what I am looking for, in a person-to-person communication program.

I know Facebook has a mobile product and a chat product, and, from what I have read, a very complex way of setting up groups of your friends. But is there ANYTHING like "I just want to sign up for facebook to be able to communicate with a few friends, person-to-person via Instant messages. I don't want some wall-shit that people are going to write on. I don't want to share my photos, or my status. I just want to be able to send IM's. And I want it to be SIMPLE to just sign up and do JUST that. With relative anonymity. Without telling each friend who else I am friends with."

Do they have anything like that?

Re:ok, Facebook geeks, help me out... (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909678)

Set up your own XMPP Server [igniterealtime.org] and give your friends a login. Tell them they can use a program like Pidgin to login, and then tell them they can also use Pidgin to be signed into Facebook Chat at the same time. If you're lucky? They might bite as long as you're on the hook to show them how to set up Facebook Chat on it too.

Re:ok, Facebook geeks, help me out... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909714)

Why do you hate the concept? What is wrong with people communicating? Yeah, some people post inane things, but you dont have to follow those people.
It's an easy way to stay connected and to know what people I am interested in are doing.

You'rs just a luddite.

Re:ok, Facebook geeks, help me out... (1)

hodet (620484) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909738)

Just lock it down. Don't allow anyone to post on your wall, hide all your personal info, or better yet don't list every damn aspect of your life. Don't post photos. Send private messages to friends instead of plastering it on their wall. Just make sure you go back in often to check your settings because who knows when the latest and greatest feature will be added and you allow it by default. If you do have a couple of friends you would like to share more with just group them together and open up specific things just for them. Oh, and for gods sake don't tell the whole world what you had for breakfast and realize we do not give a crap about your farm or your mafia. enjoy

It might work (3, Interesting)

hey (83763) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909570)

To most of us this sounds abhorrent but it might be commercially successful anyhow.
However, it seems a bit like the Kin... they are betting the phone's entire success on one app (or group of apps) - social.
I think Android and iPhone are successful because they are just platforms to run any kind of app... the users decide what they want.

Thanks but no thanks (3, Insightful)

think_nix (1467471) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909588)

Honestly , now to do a _bing_ search I have to log into a facebook account or how is this suppose to work? Also what about privacy issues ? XSS attacks ? How is this anonymously allowing me to search and bettering my privacy at the same time ?

The real reason (3, Insightful)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909634)

The real reason is because both Microsoft and Facebook see eye-to-eye when it comes to user security. ;)

Both eyes are blind.

Microsoft just fits with Facebook (5, Insightful)

formfeed (703859) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909636)

Enough people are worried already about Google knowing to much. For Google, it really wouldn't help to get tainted by a cooperation with Zuckerberg, the poster-child of give-a-damn about privacy.

Microsoft's business strategy "be evil" [geekculture.com] seems a much better fit for Facebook.

I like it how MS are trying to stare Google down (2, Interesting)

Flipao (903929) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909684)

All the while Apple keep sneaking up on them, it'd be so ironic if Steve Jobs turned the tables on them some 30odd years later.

Too much information age (1)

formfeed (703859) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909752)

Uncle_Bob uses Painbegone hemorrhoid cream.

Linda recommends Powermax personal massager

Thanks Bing, but no thanks.

Let me get this straight... (1)

chrishillman (852550) | more than 3 years ago | (#33909764)

Google's biggest threat is the ability to hit "like" to a search result?

The ability to "like" search results will cause people to stop using Google appliances to search documents on corporate networks, stop the use of Google Applications in schools/governments/companies, stop people from advertising on adsense, stop the sale of Android-based phones?

I think you overestimate the appeal of "Bing"-ing for things...

I wonder is he (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33909842)

will mention is half ass attempt to court Google?

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