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Details of Android 3.0, SIP, Video Chat

CmdrTaco posted about 4 years ago | from the we-are-the-robots dept.

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dkd903 was one of several folks to note that a bunch of details about Google's Android 3.0 are beginning to leak out. The platform is codenamed Gingerbread; it includes video chat to compete with the iPhone, and a graphical overhaul to try to make it look a bit better compared to its rivals.

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Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | about 4 years ago | (#33952828)

I gotta say, after messing around with Sense, I can't freakin' STAND the stock Android OS look. I'm currently running xtrSense on my Eris, which is a freakin' GREAT rom...but yeah, stock Android is just fugly.

Looking forward to a system-wide visual update.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (4, Interesting)

catbutt (469582) | about 4 years ago | (#33952960)

Aside from the end user experience, as an Android developer (in the process of porting iphone apps) I can tell you that android sure makes it difficult to do the slick effects that on iPhone are practically free. For instance, the transitional animations that make the iPhone seem so slick are a nightmare to accomplish on Android. I hope they do a lot of work in this area.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | about 4 years ago | (#33953170)

i always hear about how awesome sense is. as a developer, can one support sense? I would imagine if you could, you would need to download additional sdks from htc, then your stuff wouldn't run on anything other than an htc sense phone.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (3, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | about 4 years ago | (#33953404)

As someone who uses his phone and complains about the battery life constantly- I'd rather that any dev who thinks these are a good idea gets his hands smashed with a hammer so he can never code again.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (2, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 4 years ago | (#33953566)

bitblit operations and other 2D graphical effects are nearly free in terms of CPU and battery life.

or should be, at any rate.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953730)

As someone with a visual impairment and education in human-machine interactions, I'd rather that anyone who thinks transition animations are just for show get their face smashed in with a hammer so they can understand why they're an important visual cue for performed actions.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 4 years ago | (#33953942)

I'd rather that anyone who thinks transition animations are just for show get their face smashed in with a hammer

This is why we never let developers have hammers.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (4, Insightful)

shmlco (594907) | about 4 years ago | (#33953808)

People don't get it. UI animations -- done correctly -- aren't just bling. They tell people what happened, where things went, and where they're at in the application. The classic example is minimizing a window to an icon in the dock. The zooming rects reinforce what happened, where the window went, and where to find it again.

On the iPhone such things are implemented as GPU effects, with a totally insignificant impact on battery life. If you're on Android, firing up the 3G radios for a single background check on Twitter posts burns through more power than all the daily UI animations on your phone combined.

And if your battery life is really that bad, then buy a better phone next time...

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

AuMatar (183847) | about 4 years ago | (#33954452)

No, they are exactly that- just bling. I know what happens when I minimize a window. Showing an animation only serves to slow me down and waste my time. I turn them off on any app and OS which allows it for precisely that reason. They're not a feature, they're a bug and a fucking annoying one at that.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33954520)

If you find 0.28 second animations annoying then you're too stressed out to begin with.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (3, Interesting)

binary paladin (684759) | about 4 years ago | (#33954676)

No. They're not. Those visual cues are important to A LOT of people.

Of course, you're probably the kind of person who shuts off text anti-aliasing too.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (3, Funny)

shmlco (594907) | about 4 years ago | (#33954698)

If you're all that, perhaps I can interest you in Microsoft's new MS-DOS Command Line phone?

No graphics whatsoever.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#33954582)

Those operations are actually very cheap on the iPhone. They are implemented with CoreAnimation, which uses a layer model. Each view that has a layer renders to a texture. The GPU then composites them together. Sliding one layer over another typically uses less power than redrawing a single moderately complex view. It uses more RAM, because it does extra buffering, but it saves CPU cycles.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (0)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 4 years ago | (#33953458)

as an Android developer (in the process of porting iphone apps) I can tell you that android sure makes it difficult to do the slick effects that on iPhone are practically free.

As an end user, I sure hope you make it really easy to turn off said 'slick effects.' That bullshit is the first thing I turn off when I get a new app.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953768)

Also an Android developer here. I'd prefer they focus a lot on their API than making the UI look good, though I suppose the two aren't mutually exclusive as you pointed out. There are a lot of things which are incredibly cumbersome to do. I've seen several Arabic keyboards which use pictures for each key because you can't set the typeface in a KeyboardView (although strangely you can in a TextView and several others). Since almost every variable is marked private without getters or setters and these classes depend on the internal Android generated R.java file making it difficult to rewrite the class from scratch it's actually easier to use pictures for each key. This is a terrible compromise.

I've discovered tons of things like this in Android where it just doesn't make sense why they decided to write a certain class like they did. I honestly don't know if iOS is any better, I've never developed for it as I quite dislike objective-c, but developing for Android can be frustrating to say the least. Having said that it does depend on what you want to do I suppose.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | about 4 years ago | (#33953908)

really? ever seen touchwiz? ADW? What slick effects magically exist on iphone that aren't on android?

I really hope you have actual examples in your next post, not just "wah iphone is better than android"

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (2, Insightful)

imgod2u (812837) | about 4 years ago | (#33954334)

I believe, as a developer of apps, he means the API's he has available to use those effects in *his app*. Not just the UI overlay that Samsung or HTC provides.

But go on knee-jerking.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953032)

Funny, after messing around with vanilla Android, I can't freakin' stand Sense. Running CM6 on my Hero now.

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (2, Interesting)

phil4 (666912) | about 4 years ago | (#33953776)

Sense is slick - but I switched to CM6 ( Cyanogen Mod 6.00, an Android Open Source Project based rom ) and was surprised that I didn't really miss anything that Sense had given me. I had already switched away from the very nice weather/clock widget because its weather was not very current and everything else is nearly equivalent. ( Sprint HTC Hero, not the newest/fastest phone but very snappy with CM6 and only slight overclocking )

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

david.given (6740) | about 4 years ago | (#33954182)

Oddly enough, after using both stock Android and Sense, I can't stand Sense and would much, much rather have the standard Android UI. I think Sense is clunky and ugly and full of pointless changes (such as replacing a lot of the standard Android tabbed activities with strange ones with the tabs at the bottom and icons instead of textual labels).

You may be interested to know that a colleague of mine recently reflashed his HTC Desire with a standard Froyo setup using the HTC drivers. He's now getting almost twice the battery life that he was with the HTC firmware.

(Developer rant: Also, HTC just plain broke a lot of stuff with Sense; the different colour scheme, for example, has brightened the background colour of selected tabs so much that any third-party Android application that has designed its icons according to the Froyo style guide is now showing the user white icons against an off-white background, which is not user friendly.)

Re:Sense (or Sense inspired) all the way (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33954542)

I feel the exact opposite way. Sense is annoying and just clutters things up. CM6 for the win.

Video chat to compete with the iPhone (3, Insightful)

TheKidWho (705796) | about 4 years ago | (#33952854)

How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

Would be nice to use my Epic to video chat with a friends iPhone.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33952906)

Fring.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (2, Interesting)

froggymana (1896008) | about 4 years ago | (#33952928)

I would like to know if the video chat for android will actually work over 3G (or 4G) then in comparison to the iPhone only working over wifi.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | about 4 years ago | (#33953188)

probably not on AT&T

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

funkatron (912521) | about 4 years ago | (#33953228)

I would like to know if the video chat for android will actually work over 3G (or 4G) then in comparison to the iPhone only working over wifi.

It would surprise me if it didn't. 3G was launched with video calling, it was advertised back in the day. The technology to put the feature in shouldn't be a problem.

Having said that, someone would still need to figure out why video calling didn't take off last time and how to stop that happening again.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953338)

Video calling didn't take off last time because nobody really cares about seeing the other person's face, or having the other person see their face, when they're calling them. Good luck fixing that one.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 4 years ago | (#33953462)

Funny how my experience with people using skype doesn't match yours.

With skype it's how everyone I know does it, and it probably has a lot to do with the fact that everyone has a laptop with camera, mic, and speakers, so there is no need to buy a special device.

It's also way better quality than stuff was back then. Even as phones get enough resolution, I would be someone surprised to see video take off there, because of shaky hands holding it, and not a particularly large screen, but video chat in general is alive and well with everyone I know that has friends in different continents (note, I just IM, so not me).

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 4 years ago | (#33954018)

That's not how any of my friends use skype unless we're having a conference call/rolemaster session. Then it's just one webcam on the hex board. I don't need/want to see people when I call them

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33954242)

Your friends are anti-social nerds. Dilemma solved.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Altus (1034) | about 4 years ago | (#33954310)

I enjoy being able to see my friends who live in distant countries when I am chatting with them. Sure its not necessary, and I would probably never use it with someone I see every day, but in some ways, it is kind of nice.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#33954174)

My friends EVO can do video calls over 3g if you have a relatively strong signal with a little frame dropping. Where I live, the signal is pretty low (max out around 300kbps) so I have not had a chance to test my new Epic that well, and we both don't live in 4g areas. You will notice an improvement in video quality and stability if you use wifi though.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953418)

You can do it now with tango. (http://tango.me)
Works on iPhone too...

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (2, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | about 4 years ago | (#33953072)

How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

I hope so too, but I fear that there's a penis size contest about to begin here. :-(

I'm afraid Google would feel that following the FaceTime standard would risk giving away users to Apple.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 years ago | (#33953214)

> I'm afraid Google would feel that following the FaceTime standard would risk giving away users to Apple.

I think you're right that they would feel like that. I see it as an opportunity to take users from Apple.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953356)

How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

I hope so too, but I fear that there's a penis size contest about to begin here. :-(

I'm afraid Google would feel that following the FaceTime standard would risk giving away users to Apple.

How the fuck is FaceTime a standard? It was first mentioned on June 7, 2010. I've been using Skype to video chat on my N900 for about a year. And people in Europe have been video chatting using some other Nokia thingamajig for a year or two before that. May have been using Gizmo or something.

Really. Apple didn't do anything impressive with FaceTime. Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (3, Informative)

Fast Thick Pants (1081517) | about 4 years ago | (#33953598)

Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard. The Skype protocol is spooky and mysterious, but I guess it's a defacto standard. FaceTime on the other hand is such a non-standard that it doesn't even work on Macs yet.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#33954640)

Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard.

Specifically, it uses Jingle for voice and video. Jingle originated at Google, but they published it as a standard (actually, a family of standards), in the form of a set of XEPs. In contrast, Steve Jobs said that FaceTime would be published as a standard, but I have yet to see any documentation of the protocol from Apple.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

JonySuede (1908576) | about 4 years ago | (#33953702)

what facetime standard ? Face time is a mix of h.264, SIP, RTP, and a whole other list of alphabet soup standards brewed according to a proprietary recipe pretty that pass as a standard pretty much like what IMS is...

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Xtravar (725372) | about 4 years ago | (#33953124)

Well, Apple's specification is open, so... hopefully?

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | about 4 years ago | (#33953230)

What specification? All I see are a bunch of phones and iPods being sold that can video call each other. I see no specification that anyone else could follow even if they wanted to, even Google.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Anaerin (905998) | about 4 years ago | (#33953406)

I was under the impression that "FaceTime" was just an implementation of Video over SIP, which has been around for a long time now.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Gerald (9696) | about 4 years ago | (#33953478)

The calls themselves are STUN and SIP [roychowdhury.org] . FaceTime server registration is another matter apparently.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

Xtravar (725372) | about 4 years ago | (#33954364)

Apple announced it would be an open spec; I have no idea if they released it yet or not. Just going off of what Steve Jobs said during his key note address at WWDC.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953398)

The spec isn't open yet. Facetime is known to use lots of standard technologies (sip, h.264 etc) but it has an extra encrypted stage of call setup that hasn't been published yet.

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953316)

http://tango.me

Re:Video chat to compete with the iPhone (1)

EXrider (756168) | about 4 years ago | (#33953472)

Already exists. Check out Tango [tango.me] .

Excellent (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 4 years ago | (#33952872)

Now, how soon can I get this on an Archos 4.3 [tigerdirect.ca] ?

Open System (1)

codepunk (167897) | about 4 years ago | (#33952880)

Awesome, who is going to download and install the upgrade?

Re:Open System (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33952958)

Everyone who was smart enough to get a Nexus One rather than locked down Motorola garbage.

Re:Open System (1, Insightful)

mark72005 (1233572) | about 4 years ago | (#33953140)

Shouldn't be flamebait - taking an accurate shot at a company like Motorola for being evil is not flameworthy.

Just in time... (1)

skuzzlebutt (177224) | about 4 years ago | (#33952944)

...for AT&T/Motorola to delay upgrading my Backflip to 2.1 again.

Worst purchase ever.

Re:Just in time... (1)

FreonTrip (694097) | about 4 years ago | (#33953042)

My Cliq XT's been no picnic, let me tell you. The update to 2.1 was promised back in the second quarter, and we're still waiting. It would be swell to receive a surprise around Christmas... and there's a very slim chance that might happen, since there was a freak unexpected update pushed out last week. Any sign of life is, at this point, welcome.

AT&T/Moto (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | about 4 years ago | (#33953164)

I bet that soon you get to hear it will stay on 1.5 "for best hardware and software experience" (aka, we can't be bothered to waste labor on figuring out how to get it to work with our POS phone)

I feel your pain... I got one of those initially, but eventually (as many have done) paid full price for a no one just to not have to use an AT&T/motorola android phone anymore

Re:Just in time... (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about 4 years ago | (#33953252)

Thank you Google for the fragmentation.

I've see some posts of users claiming *they* upgraded to 2.2 without waiting for their MFR to lockdown their own.

Can you brick the Phone if you try to upgrade to 2.2?

Re:Just in time... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 years ago | (#33953346)

> Can you brick the Phone if you try to upgrade to 2.2?

Can you? Sure. Will you? Probably not.

Re:Just in time... (1)

paziek (1329929) | about 4 years ago | (#33953536)

Yeah. My G1 is running 2.2. Its nice to have USB tether, but apart from that there isn't anything worth it tbh. At least not for me. Also, when I playback music whole phone is laggy. But its first Android phone and hardware ain't really that good anymore... tho keyboard and trackball are just perfect.

We already have video chat (5, Insightful)

Superken7 (893292) | about 4 years ago | (#33952980)

but google wants to compete with google talk video chat with the rest of video providers.

They better have API support for front cameras and all that new stuff, because thats something that is clearly missing in todays API, while there are already several phones with front-facing cameras in the market.
Its possible to interact with them by setting the appropiate parameters in the API, but those parameters are not consistent across devices.

Overall, I think the biggest 3.0 change should be look&feel.

And I hope they don't just overhaul the UI and write beautiful google apps. I hope they do a complete UI tools overhaul so develpers can effortlessly create beautiful apps. Im not buying any of that fragmentation nonsense crap. The real issue is a lack of a "Interface builer" so we can build beautiful apps with no extra effort.
Combine a really good "interface builder", "default layout settings" or whatever it might be with Android's customization and we got a clear winner in the UI and UX space.

Thats my 2c

Re:We already have video chat (4, Interesting)

Superken7 (893292) | about 4 years ago | (#33953064)

Speaking of effortless nice Android UIs:

In an effort to make creating a nice Android UI less painful I started this small project called Android Theme Samples.

Its just like the Android Samples, where many examples are combined into a single downloadable app so you can browse it, try it and get those parts that better fit your own app.

Its up in github for anyone to take and contribute: http://github.com/pllopis/AndroidThemeSamples [github.com]

I just got started and only a "light" theme and an "Action Bar" UI pattern are included. (Mind the design, I am not a designer).
Would be really great if others contributed their own design :)

Re:We already have video chat (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | about 4 years ago | (#33953262)

Interface builder is needed, i'm tired of trying to write UI's in relational XML.

Re:We already have video chat (2, Informative)

robmv (855035) | about 4 years ago | (#33953654)

Android UI Utilities [tumblr.com] , it is no interface builder but good for prototyping before building the XML UIs

Re:We already have video chat (1)

kozchris1 (946384) | about 4 years ago | (#33953442)

Using the interface builder that ships with X-Code as a template should give Google a great starting point as to what it should do. They should copy the instrumentation capability from X-code while they are at it.

Re:We already have video chat (1)

Makzu (868112) | about 4 years ago | (#33953866)

Do you mean something like this [googlelabs.com] ?

Try Google App Inventor (4, Informative)

IYagami (136831) | about 4 years ago | (#33953878)

> The real issue is a lack of a "Interface builer" so we can build beautiful apps with no extra effort.
> Combine a really good "interface builder", "default layout settings" or whatever it might be with
> Android's customization and we got a clear winner in the UI and UX space.

Try Google App Inventor, an official tool from Google itself

http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ [googlelabs.com]

Maemo (2, Interesting)

bcmm (768152) | about 4 years ago | (#33953026)

Maemo already does SIP calls and video chat.

Re:Maemo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953270)

thought the same thing. the only thing that maemo misses are better handsets. i hope meego will change that.

Encryption please! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953048)

Waiting for manageable full disk encryption, plus capability to encrypt the SD card. Android will never be fully accepted into the enterprise if this doesn't happen. Touchdown is ok, but doesn't really scale well across a huge client base.

Re:Encryption please! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953082)

Touchdown sucks.

It is fugly and outdated. There are *far* better options out there now. Try going into the Android market once in a while....

Re:Encryption please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953714)

Such as? Something that is able to be managed across the enterprise?

SIP would be great (3, Insightful)

jonescb (1888008) | about 4 years ago | (#33953108)

Unfortunately, I think SIP support in Google Voice is going to be gutted in the US like how the Skype app works. I'm sure everybody in Europe will be free to make calls over SIP, but all us Americans will be stuck with Wifi only. Even if we could make calls over 3G, it's fairly difficult to find a carrier that will sell you only a data plan at a reasonable rate. For example, Sprint will sell you a 3G plan, but it's $50 a month, which is only $10 a month less than the data+voice bundle.

Re:SIP would be great (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | about 4 years ago | (#33953278)

I'd like to know if other users of Google Voice will get SIP access, or only mobile users.

Re:SIP would be great (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | about 4 years ago | (#33953438)

There are already full SIP apps in the market, you're saying Google is going to cripple their own Voice app to make carriers happy?

Re:SIP would be great (1)

ickleberry (864871) | about 4 years ago | (#33953752)

It would be interesting to see how good they implement it.

I've been using SIP since 2007 on my Nokia E61, E51 and now E63 and it has always been that bit finnicky. Very finnicky compared to a proper decent Cisco IP phone anyway

Re:SIP would be great (3, Interesting)

priegog (1291820) | about 4 years ago | (#33953948)

What I'm really looking forward about this is that the current (to my knowledge) most battery efficient app on the market today (Sipdroid) absolutely DEVOURS my battery, making it impossible for me to leave it running in the background. I'd really love a completely "virtual" phone in the sense that I could use it as a full time SIP phone, but so far, it's either take a charger everywhere I go or just use it for outgoing calls. Hopefully (probably?) Google will make an awesome app that doesn't use a lot of battery, making it usable.

Google providing a SIP account would be great too. One less thing to configure.

And yes, I'm in Europe, and yes I pay less than 15 Euro/month for my calls + internet. It's even a prepaid "plan", so I didn't sign anything. /bragging (I DID however have to pay 150 Euro for my free {as in freedom} HTC Magic {yay eBay!}.)

OpenVPN without root (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953146)

The only thing that I need is to be able to connect to my office OpenVPN without having to root the freakin' phone.

My N900 does it, but I'm stuck with IPSec on the Desire which fails completely because of damnable NAT from the telco (Vodafone and O2 in my case!)

Our sales droids would love to have an Android!

Catch up (3, Insightful)

DeionXxX (261398) | about 4 years ago | (#33953232)

It's disappointing that they are now playing catchup again. How about some features that the iPhone doesn't have that it would want to copy? Android may have some great devs behind it but they surely don't seem to have anyone that is trying to come up with new and interesting things to put on the Android (like some sort of "idea man"). Everything they seem to do is to make it more and more commoditized and more generic. I'm not saying they shouldn't work on things like Video Chat, but I think they should also try to come up with that one "great new shiny thing" at least once a release. Flash was a complete bomb since it took months and months for it to roll out to everyone and then it was super buggy and slow. Pretty soon, phone manufacturers aren't even going to advertise "This phone is using Android"... because there's no buzz about it anymore. Consumers could hardly care less about building in "me too" features 6-12 months after a competitor's phone has it.

This is from a long time Android user.

What The Fuck Are You Babbling About? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953372)

Android is completely destroying all other cellphone OSes on the market.

Android sales are accelerating at an insane rate quarter after quarter.

Android is selling so well that Steve Jobs just embarrassed himself with an angry tirade after Google dumped his cellphone into third place in sales.

Yeah, dipshit, "there's no buzz about it anymore."

Re:What The Fuck Are You Babbling About? (1)

DeionXxX (261398) | about 4 years ago | (#33954536)

Great troll. I believe the numbers posted on TechCrunch yesterday say it all... both platforms are accelerating neck and neck ... iOS devices had 300k/day activations in the past month. Which is similar to Android.

Also, these numbers are getting inflated because lower end phones are being sold with Android now. So it's not like people are picking between Droid and iPhone so it's apples to apples... it's more like iPhone 4 vs Crappy $50 Android Phone. Those aren't technically direct competitors.

On the other hand, iOS activations could iPod Touches and iPad's which isn't quite fair either.

Lastly, suck a dick.

FIX BUGS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953290)

They'd better start fixing bugs:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list

Obilgatory C.J. quote.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953784)

The biggest software company on the face of the planet didn't get where they are today by wasting time fixing bugs.

Hint: They continuously replace versions and force customers to repurchase the software on a never-ending upgrade treadmill. History has proven that the customers will actually put up with this shenanigans, and keep running back waving handfuls of money, shouting "Thank you sir, may I have another" again and again. Google will no doubt follow Microsoft in this manner (as has Apple done also) because it has been proven a very successful strategy over time.

"video chat to compete with the iPhone" (2, Funny)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 4 years ago | (#33953364)

includes video chat to compete with the iPhone

Great! So Google intends to release a completely proprietary chat application that only supports WiFi and only works with people who have the same exact model phone as you? Oh wait, this is Google... Hmmmm.... somehow, I don't think that's what they will do...

Re:"video chat to compete with the iPhone" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33954010)

Google will develop a great new video chat system that works across multiple devices. Then their ADD will kick in and they will move on to something else while the feature is in the "functional, but not very polished" stage. Then the carriers will get their hands on it and lock down the feature so that it only works when you pay an additional fee to activate it and use it with their special proprietary app that is uninstallable, always runs, and introduces a bunch of new bugs. And it will be loudly defended as the greatest thing ever and better than anything that Microsoft or Apple or RIM ever comes up with because it's "open".

Nice (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 4 years ago | (#33953370)

In response to Steve Job's tirade, Google would like to paraphrase Ghandi in saying

First we own you,
Then you laugh at us,
Then we own you again,
Then we win

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33954584)

@binarylarry Who wins? Google? check. VERIZONTMOBILEATTSPRINT? Check. Users? Nope.

Audio Pipeline API!! (1)

jbuck (579032) | about 4 years ago | (#33953400)

Oh, please add audio pipeline API so sound processing and EQ apps can be created to effect (read: improve) all media audio out. Like SRS Wow and similar.

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (0, Offtopic)

priegog (1291820) | about 4 years ago | (#33953828)

*affect

Seriously: the difference between those 2 words is abysmal. And about 80% of the times I see one of them written online they really meant the other one. This cannot be explained by simple ignorance/randomness! The other pair of similar words that are written wrong about 85% of the time are to/too.

Some insight into the phenomenon would be greatly appreciated.

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (2, Funny)

Chees0rz (1194661) | about 4 years ago | (#33953962)

I to hope your post has effected the masses to provide a positive affect on they're children in relaying this all to important information that will someday determine weather or not there SAT scores will be effected.

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (1)

the_brobdingnagian (917699) | about 4 years ago | (#33954106)

Observational bias?

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (1)

jbuck (579032) | about 4 years ago | (#33954202)

Yeah, yeah, I meant 'affect' there. Er, no wait, I meant "effect signal shaping of all media audio out"

irregardless, I hope my PCM101-Intro to Communications students don't see this post!

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33954356)

Seriously: the difference between those 2 words is abysmal. And about 80%...

When a colon introduces two or more sentences, or when it introduces speech in dialogue or an extract, the first word following it is capitalized.

-Chicago Manual of Style

Re:Audio Pipeline API!! (1)

stoanhart (876182) | about 4 years ago | (#33953946)

I'm pretty sure a few months ago at some conference, the Android team did Q&A with the audience and this came up. They explicitly said that this is a feature they are working on.

mar!e (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953684)

Vitality. Its = 1400 NetBSD from within. 1. Therefore 7here Fparts of you are

Welcome to 2004, Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33953764)

Symbian ever since 2004, has SIP and video chat built in.

And yet ppl hate it so much just cuz it’s not coming from the company that is allegedly not “evil”.

Re:Welcome to 2004, Google (1)

JonySuede (1908576) | about 4 years ago | (#33953888)

no, it is just that before qt coding for the particular dialect of C++ used by sybian was a pain in the ass

FIX. THE. FUCKING. DATEPICKER.. (1)

ckaminski (82854) | about 4 years ago | (#33953876)

FIX. THE. FUCKING. DATEPICKER..

Goddamn it.

+/- keys are not appropriate in a touch/drag interface. Dials are better.

This irks me (4, Interesting)

stimpleton (732392) | about 4 years ago | (#33954030)

I have a Samsung Galaxy S (Epic, Fascinate in some markets) which it a top of the range phone. It has broken GPS (like most every other Galaxy S owner) and no official Samsung Android Froyo 2.2 update is forthcoming, and 3.0 is leaking?

I feel aggrieved to be honest. I suspect this isnt a software problem and it may be hardware now.

I was visiting another town the other day, and collegues from another org, were giving me gip as they all had IPhones and merrily pointed out locations, as mine couldnt get a lock at all. "Well, you have your Live Wallpaper. I guess thats something."

If you like a bit of corporate show boating I would advise against a Samsung Galaxy S.

Re:This irks me (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 4 years ago | (#33954290)

Whats broken about your GPS?

My Epics GPS seems to work fine most of the time, but with all the military bases around here any GPS/cellular device will go out of service in some parts of town.

Re:This irks me (2, Informative)

stimpleton (732392) | about 4 years ago | (#33954488)

Galaxy S GPS-Gate: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/ [engadget.com]

Wikipedia entry(under Issues): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_i9000_Galaxy_S [wikipedia.org]

YouTube(dozens, if not hundreds of videos): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmIx6SR9lXo [youtube.com]

The EPIC issue: http://www.gadgetvenue.com/galaxy-gps-problems-fixed-samsung-epic-4g-08190515/ [gadgetvenue.com]

I could paste links till my 6gb ram is full but just google "Galaxy S GPS problems"

Oh yes, plenty of "A fix in september" rumors" but the originator was from a samsung forum post on Samsung India website. No official statement to date.

Re:This irks me (4, Informative)

imgod2u (812837) | about 4 years ago | (#33954416)

The problem is Samsung in this case. Most if not all HTC and Motorola high-end phones have 2.2 already and have no GPS issues.

I agree with a lot of the Android criticism but those issues you listed are specific to Samsung.

Blurb is (potentially) wrong (1)

Daetrin (576516) | about 4 years ago | (#33954468)

A lot of details about _Gingerbread_ are beginning to leak. One of the things that is not confirmed, about which there has not even been a substantive leak, is that it will be version 3.0. A lot of people are assuming that, but it hasn't been confirmed and some people think that Gingerbread will actually be 2.5 and Honeycomb will be 3.0.
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