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Sony Gets Nasty With PSBreak Buyers

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the give-it-a-rest dept.

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YokimaSun writes "The war between hackers and Sony over the PlayStation 3 has now taken an even more sinister turn, with Sony going after not just shops but actual buyers of the PSBreak dongle, threatening them with fines of many thousands of Euros and forcing them to sign cease-and-desist letters. It seems Sony will use any means necessary to thwart both homebrew and piracy on the PS3."

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Missing from the summary (5, Informative)

millennial (830897) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958758)

"Sony is now requesting every buyer to transfer the rights to request the package back from customs over to Sony Computer Entertainment and to agree on the destruction of the device." Only happening in Germany, and likely has to do with lenient laws there that would allow it.

And what if they refuse? (4, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958888)

Are Sony seriously going to sue people for not handing over their legal property to Sony?

What is it with this company? Just how far up their own arses can they go?

Re:And what if they refuse? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959138)

Damn, now I want a PS3 just so I can break it, load on another OS and share mp3s of Sony artists on a hacked restaurant connection nearby.
I won't cease or desist till Sony lies in ashes.

Re:And what if they refuse? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959858)

I'm sure Sony are quaking in their boots.

Re:And what if they refuse? (3, Funny)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959398)

Far enough that Ouroboros itself will think they're pushing it up a few inches too far.

Re:And what if they refuse? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959432)

That clearly depends on how the device stands legal in a given country. The DMCA and it's offspring around the world has very intended consequences. Strange coming from a country where it's fine to have firearms designed to kill, yet we mustn't have a device that *may* allow copying entertainment media.

Re:And what if they refuse? (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959598)

Just how far up their own arses can they go?

The question should be, Just how far will the customers let Sony put its foot up their arses? Despite all this from Sony, and Apple too, they just keep on coming back for more. Must be something seductive about the abuse.

Re:And what if they refuse? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959922)

Just how far up their own arses can they go?

Viol8, I'd like you to meet Sony. Obviously you two have never met before, so I'll just let you talk.

Re:And what if they refuse? (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#33960008)

What is it with this company? Just how far up their own arses can they go?

As far as they want; XCP showed them that. Root and vandalise people's computers (including mine) and have no repercussions whatever -- nobody went to prison, even jail, they not only didn't go bankrupt it didn't affect sales at all. I can't for the life of me figure out why ANYBODY, especially nerds, would buy computer equipment from a company with a history of rooting their own paying customers' computers.

If there is anybody who still buys stuff from Sony, please tell me how you can trust them any farther than you can throw a car?

Re:Missing from the summary (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959280)

Sign zzzze paperzzzz or elttttttzzzz.

Re:Missing from the summary (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959310)

Ooo, forbidden hardware. I sort of want one now.

Well, I'm not buying one (3, Interesting)

guyminuslife (1349809) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958760)

A PS3, I mean.

It's not really a principled stand, but it could become one.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (2, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958794)

I'm unsure how to feel about this. I think Sony are going about it the wrong way. If they have security holes in the system they should patch them up, and if the holes are in the hardware then I suppose they should just make sure to fix them up in the PS4. I am however happy for them to remove as much possibility as possible that there will be people cheating on online games. That's one of the few real benefits over playing on my PS3 as opposed to PC gaming online.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33958866)

"Just making sure to fix them up in the PS4" is never going to fly. The hardware for the PS4 likely won't even remotely resemble that of the PS3, anyhow. Patching shit up to stop the cheaters is practically a non-issue at this point; from what I can tell, Sony is targeting the homebrew and pirate crowds considerably more than the cheaters. Why? Because they believe they're losing money.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (2, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959336)

The USB system that they're using to do this hack probably won't be that different from the PS4's USB setup, and whether the rest is similar or not, they can still learn from past mistakes. They probably shouldn't be allowed to go after people doing hardware mods, but if it's within their legal rights to do so then I won't complain about their actions yet, though I will complain about the laws allowing them to do so..

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (4, Insightful)

Eraesr (1629799) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959000)

You're right in that they're going about this the wrong way. However, I think the closed nature of the console is exactly what causes these cracks and hacks to appear. What Sony should do is open up a sandbox environment in the PS3 in which homebrew developers can run their own software without problems. I don't see why piracy and homebrew are always treated as one by these console developers. I do understand that it's probably harder to combat piracy if homebrew is allowed, but if this is taken into account when designing the system, the problem is probably much smaller. At least you take away the incentive of the homebrew communities to crack your system. That just leaves the pirates and you can continue fighting them while supporting the homebrew community.

Other OS was shut down (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959092)

What Sony should do is open up a sandbox environment in the PS3 in which homebrew developers can run their own software without problems.

It did, until the slim PS3 came out and Sony left out the Other OS drivers to cut cost. Then the first hints of cracks came out with the stated goal of reenabling Other OS on the slim PS3, and Sony pushed out PS3 system software 3.21 to shut them down on the original PS3. Then the cat and mouse game started in earnest.

I don't see why piracy and homebrew are always treated as one by these console developers.

I explained the rationale against homebrew in another comment [slashdot.org] .

Re:Other OS was shut down (2, Informative)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959164)

They didn't leave Other OS out to cut the cost, as Linux has been proven to run on the Slim pretty much exactly the same way as it does on older consoles. It was deliberately disabled because they felt like it; there is no good technical reason.

Re:Other OS was shut down (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959200)

I heard on somewhat good authority that it was disabled due to pressure from companies wanting to sell emulation packs on the PSN store. The Linux support made this business model nonviable because MAME and other emulators had already been ported to the open source Linux platform on the system. Sony were only bowing to pressure from their corporate peers.

Re:Other OS was shut down (2, Interesting)

gorzek (647352) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959636)

That certainly makes Sony sound like an innocent victim or at worst a hapless bystander, which is laughable. Seems more likely some companies approached Sony about their ideas to sell emulated games on the PS3, and pointed out that the Other OS feature significantly reduces the sales potential of emulated games. "Don't worry," Sony said, "We'll take care of it." After doing the math and figuring up how much more they'd make in license fees, of course.

Re:Other OS was shut down (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959210)

Yes.

Why has everyone IGNORED the glaring fact in the room.

None of this crap was going on with any strength until sony became idiots and shut down the OtherOS function.

It's their fault. They caused it, and they will lose.

Re:Other OS was shut down (1, Insightful)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959484)

Actually, Geohot caused it, Sony was just being paranoid and overestimated his abilities.

Re:Other OS was shut down (2, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959562)

Bullshit. Geohot's hack required inserting a fucking wire into the console after taking it half apart, then slamming a switch like mad to cause the console to glitch.

This is ENTIRELY $ony's fault for being a bunch of paranoid-delusional morons. I wonder if the people responsible for this debacle are the same morons $ony poached from Nintendo who were responsible for the mind-bogglingly stupid design idiocy of cartridges on the N64 and mini-dvds on the Gamecube.

Re:Other OS was shut down (1)

AltairDusk (1757788) | more than 3 years ago | (#33960028)

People are still blaming Geohot for Sony's actions? Let Sony be responsible for their own decisions.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (0, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959370)

Offtopic? Seriously? Could they have not just gone with "overrated" to at least try to hide they're just downmodding me for the sake of it?

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (3, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959068)

I am actually rather tempted to buy a PS3 now and one of these dongles, and then take several pictures of me using the said dongle and send those over to Sony. Oh, and advertise the pics and the dongle on my website, too. Sony wouldn't have any legal leg to stand on if they tried to sue so I'd just get to laugh and annoy the hell out of them :]

Oh, sometimes I'm just so glad to live in Finland :]

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959394)

Oh, sometimes I'm just so glad to live in Finland

Many of us envy those of you who live in First World countries.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959556)

Is there no other place you rather be?

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (2, Insightful)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959586)

Don't reward those assholes by paying for one of their products.

If you really want to annoy them, do something to publicise the existence, and improve the distribution of things like PSBreak. Having something like it fully documented so that anybody can assemble it from components and then posted everywhere would annoy Sony quite a bit more than a couple of photos on a website.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959896)

I agree with GP. Buy the PS3, but buy it used.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1)

Engeekneer (1564917) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959914)

I am actually rather tempted to buy a PS3 now and one of these dongles, and then take several pictures of me using the said dongle and send those over to Sony. Oh, and advertise the pics and the dongle on my website, too. Sony wouldn't have any legal leg to stand on if they tried to sue so I'd just get to laugh and annoy the hell out of them :]

Oh, sometimes I'm just so glad to live in Finland :]

Actually, according to the article, the letters were sent because the dongles are devices to circumvent copy protection. And with our abomination of a law, Lex Karpela, devices to circumvent strong copy protection are also banned in Finland. So they might be able to go after you on the same grounds.

That said, I think I'm done with Sony for good. It's almost a shame that I already have a PS3.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (2, Insightful)

richwillal (541816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959312)

I've been avoiding products from Sony for years. It started with the whole CD rootkit debacle, but Sony continually makes short-sighted decisions related to how it treats its customers (in some cases, breaking the law to do so). If people stand for this kind of treatment, companies will continue it.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959330)

Well, I'm not buying one

Actually, now that there's a PSBreak, I might finally be convinced to buy my first PS3.

Re:Well, I'm not buying one (1)

slackbheep (1420367) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959718)

I've got one with a dead DVD drive, and a friend that's offered me the corpse of another with a dead...something else, he insists it's the ASIC. Anyhow, I've not cared enough to go get a new one but now that they're doing this crap part of me wants to try and Frankenstein them together just so I have a platform to piss them off with.

ps3 (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33958776)

dongle or wii?

Reminds me of the phone wars. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33958804)

Why oh why is it so difficult for companies to allow the end user to use their devices to the fullest extent possible? There were multiple stories today on this subject alone. Makes me wonder why bother? Sure a few people might steal the games, BUT HOW ABOUT THIS: why not allow for home brew, but prevent media copying? I mean that's why Sony doesn't them doing this, correct? If the music industry is any indication, the companies that don't adapt to the way the world is moving are the companies that seem to "lose all the money" so to say.

The anti-homebrew stance explained (4, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959006)

Why oh why is it so difficult for companies to allow the end user to use their devices to the fullest extent possible?

So that they can squeeze more money out of developers. If homebrew were easy, or even as easy as it is on iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad, major labels would develop and sell their games through the homebrew path to market to cut overhead.

HOW ABOUT THIS: why not allow for home brew, but prevent media copying?

Allowing homebrew will inevitably result in media copying. This could be through cloning of patented games (such as Dance Dance Revolution), through cloning of games on whose rules the developer makes a flimsy copyright claim (such as Tetris), or through infringing ROM images that run on homebrew emulators.

Re:Reminds me of the phone wars. (1)

AlecC (512609) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959130)

Their business model is to sell the console at a loss or break-even, then make their profits from license fees on the games. If people buy consoles to convert into homebrew computers, but never buy any games, tbey make a loss. the are not particularly worried about people who buy lots of games /and/ use it for homebrew, they are worried about people who buy it for homebrew only.

Re:Reminds me of the phone wars. (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959766)

I'm all for using my products as I see fit, but there's a dark side to the PSBreak for me, and that's cheating on online games. I don't really care about the piracy or Sony's bottom line. But I do know back in the dark ages of online play when people got aimbots in Quake3, online play really started to suck, and I lost interest in the game really quickly. That undermining of the level playing field that makes online play fun is a bigger threat to Sony's bottom line than piracy or people doing protein folding when the console is idle.

Sheldon

Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (2, Funny)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958848)

I'm selling - cheap - kits for creative ways to eliminate lawyers (and best selling kit so far is all chainsaw + jason mask)

It's only me who have the impression that lawyers are going crazy? What most lack happen, someone wanting to sue humanity to breathe without a contract for this?

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (1)

uncanny (954868) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959014)

Crazy? Yeah, those dumb RICH bastards!

Kill-A-Client, more effective (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959022)

It's only me who have the impression that lawyers are going crazy?

Behind every sleazy lawyer is a sleazier client. Blame Sony, and vote with your money. That's one reason why I have a Philips TV, stereo, and DVD recorder in the room where I'm typing this.

Re:Kill-A-Client, more effective (1)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959160)

Behind every sleazy lawyer is a sleazier client. Blame Sony, and vote with your money. That's one reason why I have a Philips TV, stereo, and DVD recorder in the room where I'm typing this.

I've been boycotting Sony since SOE (their MMO publisher) destroyed Star Wars Galaxies in a sleazy bait and switch (announced the day after they charged us for an expansion half of which was being rendered useless two weeks later). I am speaking of course about the NGE.

I am in a position of influence in electronics purchasing in my company. Guess who got crossed off the bid list as "does not meet spec" when we spent a quarter of a million on videoconferencing? Sony. I go out of my way to make sure that I cost them as much money as possible. The only reason why I'd not do this hack is that I would never own a PS3 in the FIRST place...

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (1)

nunojsilva (1019800) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959028)

If you breath close to their console, they may claim you're using part (the air) of the lincensed (not owned!) property (the console) in a way it was not licensed for.

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959090)

But if you breath on it and it goes in the cooling intake then couldn't you claim that they hadn't licensed your breath to be used as cooling in their machine? See how they like that frivolous law suit!

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959840)

Breath: Noun
"It's so cold, I can see my breath"

Breathe: Verb
"It only hurts when I breathe"

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959992)

No one gives a fuck. Please come back if you have something to ADD to the convo.

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959216)

It's only me who have the impression that lawyers are going crazy?

"There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." - Terry Pratchett, Small Gods.

Re:Kill-A-Lawyer, cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959318)

The lawyers are only doing it because someone is paying them to, just like most of the rest of us. The real enemies are the ones initiating all of this bullshit. No, I'm not a lawyer, but I am friends with a few and they are not the ravenous fiends that they're made out to be.

On right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33958876)

I have a good idea how to boost sales, let's sue all customers in advance and also anyone who doesn't buy our stuff, they surely need it, so their refusal to buy it is proof enough they pirated it at some point!

Useless (4, Insightful)

xenobyte (446878) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958894)

How do they expect this to work?

Sure you can sue if they use trademarked names like "Sony" or "PS3", but a dongle with a name like "Freedom" and containing no code or hardware copyrighted by Sony cannot be stopped.

Yes, it is a device to circumvent copy protection but far from all European countries have laws banning such devices, and once they're in a European country the device can be moved freely to other countries.

I would buy such a device, mostly just to spite Sony and their megalomania.

Trademarked names (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959064)

Sure you can sue if they use trademarked names like "Sony" or "PS3", but a dongle with a name like "Freedom"

And in countries with sane trademark law, nominative use to specify compatible products made by other companies is not an infringement: "FREEDOM service tool by TropeCo, for use with PLAYSTATION 3 console by Sony".

and containing no code or hardware copyrighted by Sony

Sony can claim non-literal copying. But even in the U.S., whose Digital Millennium Copyright Act is widely thought on Slashdot to be stricter than its European counterparts, copying small pieces of code solely for interoperability has been shown not to infringe. Sega v. Accolade; Lexmark v. Static Control Components.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959102)

They expect it to work because it works. They may not be illegal in every European country, but in the one this article talks about they are. The devices were intercepted in customs. They'll never be handed over to the buyers, regardless of any cease-and-desist letters Sony may or may not send out. How do you think they got the adresses of the buyers in the first place?

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959142)

All European countries have a law against devices that circumvent copy protection. This is actually an European Law.

Re:Useless (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959980)

It's American law [wikipedia.org] too.

Bubble (3, Interesting)

kurtis25 (909650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958902)

This rash of crazy lawyer stories leads me to believe we are in a law suit Bubble. Eventually garbage law suits, Cease and Desists, threats, extra will come to an end bursting the bubble lawyers have grown so accustom to.

Re:Bubble (1)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959140)

This rash of crazy lawyer stories leads me to believe we are in a law suit Bubble. Eventually garbage law suits, Cease and Desists, threats, extra will come to an end bursting the bubble lawyers have grown so accustom to.

Lawyers who practice this sort of "law" are not productive members of society but are parasites. There will be tort reform eventually. Or the lawyer class (which dominates Congress, btw) will come face to face with the pitchfork and torch class. There are so many opportunities that have been lost or are never tried for fear of the broken legal system and parasite lawyers.

Implicit Agreement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33958936)

Oooh, so that means that Sony are implicitly agreeing that I have a right to that device, because they require that I agree to surrender that right?

Re:Implicit Agreement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959050)

a lawyer....get him!

Is Litigation all Sony Has? (4, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 3 years ago | (#33958962)

If Sony didn't plan for this in the beginning, then I understand why they have resorted to this as a last gasp. That means there was a major hole in their business plan.

Sony once held the mindshare Apple has now. For me, so many Sony items have had problems, that they are off my radar.

The world moves on and a major player must move ahead of it, or at least with it or it dies. I just don't get the concept of a company suing the retail consumers of its hardware.

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959156)

The answer to your question is yes. Litigation is all Sony has. You don't sue your customers unless you otherwise lack a viable business model. Sony is the SCO of computer gaming. The same is clearly true of Blizzard today. [slashdot.org] People don't want to play their game the way they want it played, and they are willing to shit on them to try to stop them. This is what happens when the hands and the brain are disconnected.

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959912)

You don't sue your customers unless you otherwise lack a viable business model. [..] The same is clearly true of Blizzard today.

You'd have a point if Blizzard wasn't making truck loads of money.

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959174)

In general I agree with you, but what everyone seems to be forgetting is that there is a multiplayer component to consider. I don't have a PS3, but if I did I would be pissed if some douchebag was cheating against me. I don't know if any of these hacks can or are being used in any online components of any games, but if they are then Sony has an obligation to the rest of their customers to do something about it. Of course actually bringing suit against their own customers is not the way to go; I don't know if Sony has the capability, but Microsoft regularly bans consoles (which have unique identifiers) when they catch cheaters (and modders in general, which is unfortunate but understandable).

You cheat, you get punched in the face (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959202)

what everyone seems to be forgetting is that there is a multiplayer component to consider.

So you've connected four SIXAXIS or Dual Shock 3 controllers to your PS3, and you've invited friends over. If you turn on a cheat that boosts all players, then everyone cheats with you. (Compare the built-in cheats in Goldeneye 007 for Nintendo 64.) If you turn on a cheat that helps you over the other players, you get punched in the face.

I don't know if any of these hacks can or are being used in any online components of any games

Would it be cheating to add a custom map to all players' machines and then play on that map?

Re:You cheat, you get punched in the face (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959384)

He was obviously talking about online play. And yes it could be cheating in some games where you earn ranks or whatever by playing. If you make a custom map for earning them easily that's cheating. Just look at what happens with Team Fortress 2 on the PC with all the leveling maps out there.

Re:You cheat, you get punched in the face (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959424)

He was obviously talking about online play.

In the case of online play, where you have a separate machine for each player, what advantage does a PS3 have over a PC?

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959920)

You really don't have to worry about this, as there's not a way (yet) to connect up with Sony's PSN with a jailbroken PS3. Get your knickers out of a twist.

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959186)

Yesterday's interview with John Sculley compared Sony with Apple, and I think was quite appropriate here.

Apple think about the experience as a whole and work their way down to the components that are necessary to deliver that experience. Sony start with getting the components and build that up to an experience.

Which worked fine back when we were using analogue or mostly-analogue products for home entertainment. I include CD players in this list because 99 times out of 100, they go from digital to analogue using discrete electronics quite early on in the process of listening to them.

It doesn't work so well when we're using essentially embedded computers to provide it all.

Re:Is Litigation all Sony Has? (2, Insightful)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959436)

I am a former Sony reseller and former Sony fanboy. Lived the Sony Style life etc. We have installed and recommended tens of millions of dollars worth of Sony equipment (pro and consumer) over the decades from the 80s-late90s. Sony at one time used to be an electronics company and therefor was more on the side of the electronics consumer rather than the content creators who want control over all electronics. They fought a battle with the MPAA/RIAA back in the 80s for the right of the consumer to record video with the VCR. They battled all the way to the supreme court and won. It all went south when Sony became a content company. When that happened, Sony's Draconian side reared its ugly head. They became major members of the US lobby groups RIAA/MPAA and their attitude towards the consumer changed from pro-consumer to anti-consumer. I got off the Sony bandwagon around this time and we eventually moved away from recommending their products. Then came the rootkit fiasco and the constant lobbying and lying to congress and the constant corruption. Their relentless pursuit to proprietize the electronics industry and control the media format industry has never changed. From the early days of the Betamax to the Minidisc arguably better formats at the time? to the memory stick and other failed ventures. Sony has now become one of the most Draconian companies on the planet and I cannot consider giving them one more penny or recommending Sony to anyone ever again.

Ughhh WHY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959020)

Why are people doing this?

I Mean..

1) Buy PS3
2) Buy dongle
3) Get sued
4) ???
5) PROFIT! (for sony)

I think it's obvious that the problem is in step 1.

I want a dongle, but no PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959046)

I don't own a PS3 nor any other Sony product, but now I want to hop over the German border and openly buy this dongle there. Would be fun to be sued, since there would be no connection between me and Sony except for the dongle. I have some very good lawyers with a good sense of humour among my friends (yes, such guys & gals do exist) who might be interested to pull this.

Sony Music and Sony Pictures (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959112)

I don't own a PS3 nor any other Sony product

I find that highly unlikely. Search your CD collection for Columbia Records or Epic Records [wikipedia.org] , then search your VHS and/or DVD collection for Columbia Pictures or TriStar Pictures [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Sony Music and Sony Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959152)

>Buying Music

Re:Sony Music and Sony Pictures (1)

groslyunderpaid (950152) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959604)

You may get me yet, but I own ZERO cd's or dvd's.

Re:I want a dongle, but no PS3 (2, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959266)

Do you watch TV? then you support sony as almost ALL tv shows are produced with either a Sony editing system (Sony OWNS the live TV editing market... Daily Show and Colbert Report are on Sony gear for live editing and switching...) shot on Sony cameras or are on cameras that use the Sony AVCHD format. Most of Discovery Channel now shoots on AVCHD cameras as digital delivery to cheap sd cards is better than the tape alternative.

So stop watching TV as well, as that supports Sony. (a different division that has nothing to do with the others, but it's still "Sony")

Re:I want a dongle, but no PS3 (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959458)

So stop watching TV as well, as that supports Sony. (a different division that has nothing to do with the others, but it's still "Sony")

There is no such thing as a different division that has nothing to do with the others. They're all Sony. Criticising all of Sony for the actions of any of its portions is as rational as criticising a person for the actions of any of their limbs. People who don't have control over one or more limbs have a responsibility to keep them under control by any means necessary... straps, chains, whatever.

I don't own a PS3 (-1, Redundant)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959060)

And after reading this, I probably never will.

People still buy shit from Sony? (4, Interesting)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959116)

Really? After so many years of producing shit that they can't even sell TV's (something Sony used to be famous for making the best) under their own name anymore, why do people still buy ANYTHING Sony?

The premise of threatening OWNERS of a piece of hardware for doing with that hardware whatever they please, which they have the absolute right to do (including burning it or running over it with the car) is ridiculous. And if someone is finally going to be stupid enough to sue a customer over violating a shrinkwrap, unilateral, "we reserve the right to change anything at any time at our SOLE discretion" EULA, please, PLEASE for the love of God let it be a company as stupid, corrupt and intellectually bankrupt as Sony.

Threatening end users who make modifications to the console that they PURCHASED is as ridiculous as Ford suing me for buying one of their cars then changing the rims so I can put a different size of tire on them...

The public is Never Gonna Give Sony Up (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959176)

why do people still buy ANYTHING Sony?

Sony owns RCA Records, the record label that published a song by Rick Astley [wikipedia.org] . Sony also makes movies, including the Spider-Man movies [wikipedia.org] . (And before you object that these are separate divisions, the division that makes TV sets is likewise separate from the Computer Entertainment division that makes PlayStation products.)

Re:The public is Never Gonna Give Sony Up (1)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959206)

Sony owns RCA Records, the record label that published a song by Rick Astley [wikipedia.org]. Sony also makes movies, including the Spider-Man movies [wikipedia.org]. (And before you object that these are separate divisions, the division that makes TV sets is likewise separate from the Computer Entertainment division that makes PlayStation products.)

I've never seen the Spiderman movies (superhero turned into love story doesn't appeal to me at all), and I don't own very much music made after 1993, as pretty much everything that's been coming out the last 15+ years (and especially recently) is creatively bankrupt crap.

So, no, Sony doesn't get much, if any of my money.

Re:The public is Never Gonna Give Sony Up (3, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959402)

So?
You asked why are people still buying from Sony and he gave you a few reasons. They make popular movies, music and games. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

Re:People still buy shit from Sony? (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959320)

Why do I buy SONY?

Because nobody makes a better Professional HD camcorder.
Because nobody makes a better Windows Video editing platform outside of AVID. (No Adobe's products are not pro level)
Because nobody makes a LIVE video production suite that is as capable...
Because nobody makes a digital Video recording format that is as good as AVCHD or XDCAM.
Because nobody makes a better digital video stream processor like Sony's.
Because nobody makes a pocked field editing system like the PDWHR1.. I can have only 2 guys in the field to shoot and edit a small event and upload the thing before they pack up the car and leave, the thing will DIRECT SFTP the files to the server as they drive down the road.

That's why. SONY OWNS the commercial production video market hands down. Because the other choices are mediocre or half assed with bad work-flows. Panasonic and JVC utterly suck in workflow.

Re:People still buy shit from Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33960042)

And you represent who? An extremely small segment of their customer base, that's who.

My last sony device was the ps3. I very seriously doubt i'll ever buy sony again. Their LTs are engineered to break every six months (from my personal experience) and they've become increasingly hostile toward a community that they helped create - alternate oses for the ps3. Now this.

Sony is, imho, morally bankrupt.

Re:People still buy shit from Sony? (1)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959720)

Threatening end users who make modifications to the console that they PURCHASED is as ridiculous as Ford suing me for buying one of their cars then changing the rims so I can put a different size of tire on them...

Sony doesn't mind if you open up your PS3 and start soldering bits yourself. Sony is actively trying to stop the distribution of these dongles. It sounds like a petty distinction, but it is an important one. Ford wouldn't have sued you for modifying the rims. He would have sued you for purchasing third party rims whose sole reason for existence is modifying one of his cars.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that Sony isn't pursuing the physical modifications themselves as much as they are pursuing the market of modification enabling devices.

Re:People still buy shit from Sony? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959870)

Erm.... actually, I think they could probably do this in the US as well.

Four letters for you: DMCA.

What did they expect? (2, Insightful)

lemnik (835774) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959118)

When Sony removed the "Other OS" option from the PS3 they locked people out of a legitimate and relatively safe homebrew environment. Somewhere that people could play with the device without voiding their warranty. It was an option that really "sold" the device to many people who now own one.

While someone would have eventually jail-broken the device, I doubt it would be as widely used as these dongles are; if Sony had (a) left the "Other OS" option in, and (b) possibly added said-option to the "slim" PS3 consoles. The way to combat people jail-braking a device is to give them a safe way to homebrew without the possibility of bricking their consoles or voiding the warranty.

I bought a psjailbreak device to repair my ps3 (5, Interesting)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959148)

I bought a PS3 to run linux and play around with cell programming...

Sony broke my ps3 by updating the firmware to 3.30, so i bought a dongle which i intend to use to repair the otherwise broken system:

http://www.ps3hax.net/2010/10/asbestos-running-linux-as-gameos/ [ps3hax.net]

All i'm doing, is fixing advertised functionality which was present in the ps3 when i bought it.

Re:I bought a psjailbreak device to repair my ps3 (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959522)

All i'm doing, is fixing advertised functionality which was present in the ps3 when i bought it.

Show me an actual SCEfoo paid advertisement featuring OtherOS.....you can't. While the feature got mentioned in a few interviews with tech journalists and got mentioned on sites like Slashdot and Joystiq it was never "advertised".

Re:I bought a psjailbreak device to repair my ps3 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959746)

Here you go, current [playstation.com] and a copy from 2006 [archive.org]

Re:I bought a psjailbreak device to repair my ps3 (2, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959804)

Word of mouth is advertising. If a Sony said the PS3 had the capability to run another OS in a TV commercial, an interview, a magazine article or otherwise. That's advertising the feature.

I bought my PS3 partly because I could run Linux on it. However, it doesn't matter anymore, I kept my Other OS and I'm not buying anything else from Sony.

Re:I bought a psjailbreak device to repair my ps3 (2, Informative)

Pikoro (844299) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959956)

Sony OtherOS Manual [playstation.com]

Remember, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959166)

You make it a sony!

irony much? (1)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959354)

PS3break.com has a splash telling you not to buy the fake PS3break.

I don't own a PS3 but MY responce would be... (1)

BlackBloq (702158) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959408)

It's mine, I bought it, Now go fuck yourself assholes! Who the fuck do they think they are? To fuck with stuff you bought legally? Come to my house plaaaeeze. Truspassers wull be shot!

What is with you losers? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33959792)

What exactly is wrong about any of this? Don't you think Sony has seen what happens to a platform when it gets broken open like happened on the PSP? You think they'll just sit back and not do anything while it happens to the PS3? Get real... They've found that if you let people have access to a moderate level of "Home Brew" creation ability, some assholes will use that ability to enable massive piracy, just because they can. So now there's nothing. Live with it.

The PS3 isn't perfect by any means, but at least Sony allows a lot more concessions than MS does...

Blame people like Geohot for fucking this all up and springing the mousetrap, not Sony for trying to meet you fuckers half way and not being such super geniuses to allow home brew but not piracy at the same time.

It saddens me that /. is so quick to jump on Sony for this. What EXACTLY should they have done?

Re:What is with you losers? (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959986)

What exactly is wrong about any of this?

Sony: 90% of the people who buy this will copy games. You bought one, so you must copy games. We will fine you and take the dongle from you without a trial. If you want to fight it, that will cost at least $10,000 in legal fees.

Car Analogy -
Police: 90% of the people who drive down this street buy drugs, you drove down this street, so you must have bought drugs, we will fine you and take your car without a trial. If you want to fight it, that will cost at least $10,000 in legal fees.

See the problem?

What EXACTLY should they have done?

Design an open system without copy protection, raised the price of the console slightly and drop the price of the games to $20.

Guess that make my decision easier (2, Informative)

HunterA3 (553453) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959930)

Use to think that Microsoft was the evil company and I'd never buy a 360. Glad I didn't buy either the 360 or the PS3. Though if I was a hardcore gamer, I'd have to say that this makes the 360 look a heck of a lot more enticing than the PS3. Congratulations Sony, you managed to find a way to kill off the PS3 faster than any would-be hacker

Will sony sue the air force over there use of ps3 (2, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33959954)

Will sony sue the air force over there use of ps3 for non gameing / PS3 media use?

Will sony try to say you are braking the EULA by not installing the update that removers other os?

Sony == POS consumer hardware (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 3 years ago | (#33960018)

In my humble experience, 3 out of 3 pieces of Sony kit I bought were pieces of shit and ended up in a landfill. I have bought other pices of junk kit from other manufacturers too, but they did not have the overblown price and brand name and not 3 from the same brand were bad either. So I don't buy Sony kit anymore. Nuff sed.
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