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Pirate Parties Plan To Shoot Site Into Orbit

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-torrent dept.

Piracy 301

palmerj3 writes "It is almost four years ago that The Pirate Bay announced they wanted to buy the micronation of Sealand, so they could host their site without having to bother about copyright law — an ambitious plan that turned out to be unaffordable. This week, Pirate Parties worldwide started brainstorming about a similarly ambitious plan. Instead of founding their own nation, they want to shoot a torrent site into orbit."

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Great idea! (5, Funny)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973632)

Dear Pirate Party,

Thank you for donating targets to us. We've been meaning to test our Space Object Destruction Laser®, but haven't found any suitable object to target. Because of your charity, we can now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operation system.

Sincerely,

The United States of America

Re:Great idea! (2, Interesting)

Motard (1553251) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973702)

It may come to that. It occurs to me that at some point governments are going to have to agree on methods to control extra-governmental forces like the Pirate Party/Bay, Wikileaks and even Al Qaeda.

Re:Great idea! (1, Insightful)

AtomicJake (795218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973914)

It may come to that. It occurs to me that at some point governments are going to have to agree on methods to control extra-governmental forces like the Pirate Party/Bay, Wikileaks and even Al Qaeda.

Interesting try: Link two organizations that are fighting for freedom with one known for terror and bestiality. Do you have an agenda or did you just got too much tea?

Re:Great idea! (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974054)

Bestiality? I didn't know that Al Qaeda was known for intercourse with livestock. Do you have access to secret intelligence? Wikileaks might be interested.

Re:Great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974318)

Actually, they tend to rape camels or so the history channel would have you believe.

Nothing secret ab

Re:Great idea! (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974092)

No, I think he was making a legitimate point. It is truly ironic, as you point out, that governments around the world have tried to vilify freedom-loving Wikileaks as some sort of anti-establishment vigilante group that threatens the stability of the free world--not unlike al Qaeda. The bottom line is any organization that threatens to undermine the authority of enough governments will be labeled a "terrorist threat" and dealt with accordingly. That the Pirate Party is starting to fall in that category says a lot about how much of an impact they are making.

Re:Great idea! (1)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974234)

with one known for terror and bestiality

I think we've already heard enough about Julian Assange's private life.

Re:Great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33973968)

I take it one step further and claim that governments will not be able to.

Re:Great idea! (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973706)

Yeah.

Launching a torrent site into space is about as secure as sailing your boat near the international waters surrounding Somalia.

This idea is about as half baked as my dinner last night.

Re:Great idea! (4, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973774)

Wait... are you saying that there are SPACE PIRATES!?!?!?!

Re:Great idea! (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973798)

I'd say they're more like Corsairs.

Re:Great idea! (1)

denobug (753200) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973864)

This idea is about as half baked as my dinner last night.

uh... You wife is a bad cook?

Re:Great idea! (1)

alphax45 (675119) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973900)

Slashdotters don't have wifes!

Re:Great idea! (2, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973906)

You assumed I was married before you assumed I could be a bad cook?

Re:Great idea! (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973954)

You assumed I was married before you assumed I could be a bad cook?

Well there's your first problem.

Re:Great idea! (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973784)

SO true, so true, the only thing is even if they had the money to sink into a server that also had sat com, then they would have a completely defenseless target sitting out there, ready for the taking, and if someone came and just took the server for themselves, there is no real governing body in space, so who would you contact, which court would you go to to try your case...really great idea to circumvent their obstacles, but bad timing, we do not have a space police in place yet.

Re:Great idea! (2, Interesting)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974084)

Rig the thing to explode if tampered with - that should stop anyone taking it (and let's face it, there aren't that many nations who'd even be capable of taking it). Of course, it wouldn't stop someone shooting it down, but I'm guessing most nations won't really want to start setting precedents for blowing up satellites. It would probably be simpler to just figure out ways to prevent the signal from down here.

Re:Great idea! (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974258)

we do not have a space police in place yet.

I do believe that's the point...

Re:Great idea! (2, Insightful)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973980)

If you have followed the mess the Chinese [discovery.com] created, you'd guess the US probably wouldn't blow it up. They are still (and rightfully) angry about it.
They could, however, allow it to stay in one piece and disable it some other way. Extremely powerfull and very directed EM radiation would fry all it's circuits for example.

Re:Great idea! (2, Informative)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974108)

It is as though millions of users cried out in terror and suddenly had their torrents cut off.

Re:Great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974122)

Replying to undo accidental moderation as flamebait - sorry.

Destroying copyright from orbit (5, Funny)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973648)

It's the only way to be sure...

It will be shot down soon enough (0, Redundant)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973946)

It would be a fantastic way for the USA, Russia, China and some other countries to test their satellite defense systems. Shooting down space pirates would make the test legitimate.

How long will this last? (4, Interesting)

StayFrosty (1521445) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973660)

Assuming they can actually come up with the money to launch it, I wonder how long it will be up there before it "accidentally" gets hit with a "stray" surface-to-air or air-to-air missile. It'll either be that or incentive to clean up some space "junk." Maybe this is what it will take to get NASA a bigger budget.

Re:How long will this last? (4, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973734)

Probably only slightly longer than it would have taken for them to get overthrown had they bought Sealand ... which is actually under British rule, regardless of how much they want to pretend its not.

Re:How long will this last? (1)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973944)

I don't care how much Britain wants to pretend that SeaLand is under its rule, it isn't. The laws that would have prevented its founding were put into place long after its founding

Re:How long will this last? (4, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974104)

Here's the thing: every territory is under the rule of whomever shows up with the most guns.

Laws are only tangentially relevant.

A satelite, or a territory is dumb anyway, because to be any use, either one would need a link to the rest of the internet -- and they'd need to get that from some nation -- at which point the LINK is subject to the jurisdiction of that nation.

Re:How long will this last? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33973764)

Assuming they can actually come up with the money to launch it, I wonder how long it will be up there before it "accidentally" gets hit with a "stray" surface-to-air or air-to-air missile. It'll either be that or incentive to clean up some space "junk." Maybe this is what it will take to get NASA a bigger budget.

A larger threat are the Jews In Space [youtube.com] .

Re:How long will this last? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974028)

I was always so pissed that "History of the World Part 2" never saw the light of day :/

Re:How long will this last? (1)

malakai (136531) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973844)

Lucky for them space lacks enough of the required 'air' for either of those weapon platforms to effectively work.

Surface-To-Space, Air-To-Space, Space-To-Space..... now we're talking. Those ASAT and other devices have systems for trajectory control without the need of fins or aerodynamic tricks.

Re:How long will this last? (3, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973850)

Assuming they can actually come up with the money to launch it, I wonder how long it will be up there before it "accidentally" gets hit with a "stray" surface-to-air or air-to-air missile. It'll either be that or incentive to clean up some space "junk." Maybe this is what it will take to get NASA a bigger budget.

Well, testing of surface to LEO missiles will probably not happen - it endangers everything else up there with all the debris. And any explosions themselves will send pieces into new unpredictable orbits as well.

Unless one doesn't have many satellites up there already, shooting down a satellite has the effect of endangering your own satellites as well. I'm sure the DoD would be highly amused should one of their covert satellites get destroyed from space junk caused by testing of said missile.

The only way is if NASA gets funding to do space junk cleanup and they "accidentally" do too good a job.

I think we're probably close to a critical mass of space junk - where one stray piece crashes into satellites and the satellite's pieces cause more collisions. Practically overnight we'd go from satellites everywhere to having nothing but fine mists of dust - a man-made ring like Saturn or something.

Re:How long will this last? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974066)

Well, testing of surface to LEO missiles will probably not happen - it endangers everything else up there with all the debris. And any explosions themselves will send pieces into new unpredictable orbits as well.

So you're saying that big content taking a heavy handed approach to piracy would be short-sighted, stupid, be a waste of money, and would just create more problems? Why does that sound familiar?

Re:How long will this last? (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974208)

That may be true, but a problem of this size endangers their own profits too: apart from governments tearing apart the content publishers for fucking up their intel networks, communications, remote sensing, science, etc, they would tear into their own profits: no satellite TV. Plus, we are near enough to Kessler Syndrome, nobody wants to be the one to give spaceflight the physical coup de grace.

Simple (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33973896)

Just park it right next to (or better still, in front of) one of HBO's satellites.

The US govt wouldn't risk upsetting one of their investors.

Re:How long will this last? (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974042)

anyone can send a server to space, all you need is a weather balloon and an iphone.

Re:How long will this last? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974072)

Because NASA is just a subdivision of MPAA?

Re:How long will this last? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974102)

The micronation idea was better (and probably cheaper) than this. What happens if there's a critical failure on that torrent server? They now have a very expensive hunk of metal orbiting earth since no one is going to be able to go up there and swap out a drive. Then there's the exorbitant cost of getting it up there and getting the data back to earth...this idea is flat-out fail.

Re:How long will this last? (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974218)

The price has really come down, we aren't talking about putting a shuttle up there.

On the list of crazy, there are better entries. http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/index.php [copenhagen...bitals.com]

Fuck yes! (2, Funny)

Zeek40 (1017978) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973672)

Space Pirates!

Re:Fuck yes! (0, Redundant)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974034)

Fry: "Space pirates?"
Leela: "You know...pirates, but in space!"

Re:Fuck yes! (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974062)

Que evil empire that tries to eradicate them with some ingenious plot... Quick someone call Summer Glau, we might need her to go all River Tam on them.

Sadly the evil plot will most likely involve less-than-ingenious 'space terrorists' nowadays, 'pirates', 'rebels' and 'resistance' are words of the past...

Re:Fuck yes! (4, Funny)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974082)

Space Pirates!

Space Pirates in Arrrrbit. It had to be said.

Uhhhhh. (4, Insightful)

rotide (1015173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973686)

Isn't this all just ignoring the real problem? It doesn't matter if you buy a nation, or buy an island, or buy a satellite. You have to get your internet pipe from some external source of which isn't in your "bubble of safety". You could setup a pirate planet, but if you want to connect back to earth you still need a transceiver based in a country not owned and operated by you. Great! You can't be prosecuted for doing what you want to do, but no one can access it.

Re:Uhhhhh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33973856)

Maybe they're hoping to attract a highly intelligent race of space-faring aliens with free torrents of the latest Hollywood offerings (we'll know they're highly intelligent by the fact that they've evolved beyond IP and have no qualms about filesharing).

Re:Uhhhhh. (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973964)

Or the people on the ground could, y'know, point a dish at the satellite themselves...

I'm sure this is more a publicity stunt than a practical idea, but it doesn't fail quite that easily.

Re:Uhhhhh. (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974128)

Then that's not the internet, it's a fancy BBS, no? They could setup a full bank of modems for cheaper. Less bandwidth, but it's still a closed off and restricted system.

Re:Uhhhhh. (3, Funny)

smitty97 (995791) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974326)

what's the country code for space?

Re:Uhhhhh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974050)

They'll just use the magic of cloud computing to teleport Internets to and from their space station.

Re:Uhhhhh. (2, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974078)

Maybe an informal network of ad-hoc uplinks could help diversify that risk.

Re:Uhhhhh. (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974086)

i see lots of people getting data like tv shows and movies from space with a dish that you could probably make for $10

Re:Uhhhhh. (1)

o'reor (581921) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974160)

There are plenty of solutions for this. One of the earliest implementations suggested was the DVB multiprotocol encapsulation standard, which is still used by a few satellite operators such as ASTRA (you'd need a satellite dish and a modem to get the streams though); also, check out the more recent DVB-SH standards, that enable handheld devices to get satellite IP data as well -- obviously you don't need a dish for those.

I would paste a few links if I could but the new Slashdot interface is preventing me from doing it (using Chrome/Linux here...)

Re:Uhhhhh. (1)

malakai (136531) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974174)

I could picture this working a couple of ways.

First, let's assume you can only put up one satellite. Let's also assume it's placed in geosynchronous orbit. We'll talk about bandwidth/latency later. Consider that, this one satellite could be visible to nearly all of Europe. Or a large portion of the US, or half of Africa. These are very broad regions. You now have the ability to completely decentralize the torrent seed hubs. Multiple enthusiasts with the proper antenna + radio cards could become down-link's for the pirate satellite. They in turn could then contribute to the distributed DB with the torrent metadata.

Uploading to the satellite would need to be managed just like public trackers manage now. However, the final upload route would be somewhat random and go via an 'enthusiasts' hi-gain pointed at the sat. Until the act of communicating with the satellite becomes illegal the 'buck' has been passed to hardware floating in orbit. And while it's conceivable a top-tier country could get their act together and outlaw the satcom based on Copyright or FCC or some violation of the law, and actively track down those acting as down-link/up-link stations, there will always be someone on the fringe. Some person in a country that can still see the satellite, and their government is more concerned about feeding their population then illegal pirate satellites.

The key here is to make the satellite accessible to the broadest range of second and third tier countries.

As for bandwidth/latency.... not so important for a big-ass-hash-table-in-the-sky in which the elements can have TTLs of days, months, years even longer for some really old torrents. Per-second raw tracking of # of seeds and leechers is not what this satellite would be for. This simply needs to hold the hash and other basic torrent metadata. Everything else is through DHT/DDB or some other lower level decentralization.

Freenet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974210)

Freenet (a free/open source anonymous p2p application) is fairly easy to use now, and is a solution available now for the free exchange of information including copyrighted media, etc.

Expect it to be shot down almost instantly (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973700)

Since there are 'no rules' in space, expect this satellite to be destroyed in a matter of minutes after gaining orbit.

Re:Expect it to be shot down almost instantly (1)

Dalzhim (1588707) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973912)

That used to be the same on the internet. Eventually that will change as well.

Re:Expect it to be shot down almost instantly (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973916)

Why?

Unless everyone using it sets up their own uplink, its sure as hell easier to block their connectivity.

Re:Expect it to be shot down almost instantly (1)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974130)

Since there are 'no rules' in space, expect this satellite to be destroyed in a matter of minutes after gaining orbit.

Wrong, Obey gravity, it's the law!

Re:Expect it to be shot down almost instantly (3, Informative)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974304)

There are rules in space [wikipedia.org] .

It's highly unlikely that a national government would expend the military and technical resources necessary to shoot down a satellite, not to mention draw international ire, merely for the sake of placating the copyright lobby. They're big players, but there are limits to even Disney's power.

It's far more likely that a pirate satellite would encourage the copyright cartel to push to expand existing laws to make them more iron-clad regardless of jurisdiction. The Pirate Bay would gain a temporary advantage, but it would likely backfire over the long haul.

Money (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973712)

So... where is the money to launch something into space going to come from? Nerds chipping in ten bucks each?

Target practice (1)

lee n. field (750817) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973716)

Target practice, for satellite killing systems.

Re:Target practice (1)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974140)

Target practice, for satellite killing systems.

And if it doesn't explode, you just weaponized them.

Cost (1)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973728)

Launching a satellite into space costs tens of millions of dollars. Are they saying buying a platform out in the ocean was actually MORE expensive than that? Sounds like Sealand may be a little overpriced for what you get. You can buy a number of private islands for less than that. Hell, they could buy a fairly decent paramilitary force and take over Sealand that way for less than it would take to launch a satellite into any kind of stable orbit.

Re:Cost (1)

Herkum01 (592704) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973782)

I found it article which said that Sealand was for sale at 750 million Euros, about 1 billion American dollars, so yeah, unaffordable.

Re:Cost (3, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974060)

The proprietors of Sealand continue to live in fantasy land. All it is is an abandoned platform out in the ocean under British rule. Sure, they say it's independent, but the only reason they're allowed to carry on thinking that is because they aren't doing anything illegal enough for the Brits to make the effort to enforce their rule. If something like the Pirate Bay moved in, they would find the British reasserting themselves over that hunk of concrete pretty quick. Hell, the Brits traveled 8,000 miles to go to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, and the only thing worth anything there is a bunch of sheep. They'll have no problems sending a ship (or a cruise missile) a few miles out to sea to take out a platform.

The only reason anyone would buy that pile of crap for a billion dollars is because they wanted to do some heavily illegal shit on it, otherwise they'd go buy some tropical private island for 1% of the cost. Since Britain would never allow that sort of thing to go down within their territorial waters, any potential buyer is essentially spending a metric assload of money for a fairy tale.

Re:Cost (1)

thijsh (910751) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974288)

Sure, they say it's independent, but the only reason they're allowed to carry on thinking that is because they aren't doing anything illegal enough for the Brits to make the effort to enforce their rule.

How is shooting at the royal Navy and other ships not a crime they would be forced to respond to? In fact the Brits called it an 'act of terrorism', which is sufficient reason to invade some counties nowadays... And as I recall they were taken to court in 1968, and won because Britain did not have jurisdiction.

Re:Cost (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973958)

A private island would probably not be outside any nation with copyright laws' jurisdiction, which is the point isn't it?

Re:Cost (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973978)

Apparently the asking price in 2007 was £600 million [wikipedia.org] , so I guess you'd get a fair few satellite launches for that kind of outlay.

Re:Cost (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974000)

Also, "tens of millions" is an understatement. Are there any web server/satellites in space currently? Then you have new R&D, engineering, production, etc etc.... plus what it would cost to actually get it up there, if any nation that can do this would agree to rent space.

Basically, this website wants to start a space program on their site revenues of what, a couple hundred thousand a year for ad space? Good luck. Maybe I'll start my own space program too.

Re:Cost (1)

malakai (136531) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974238)

Your missing the micro-sat market. You and 500 other groups buy a small payload on a larger system going into space. It'll deploy your payload. Booking the right type of orbit and not blowing up in the first 10 minutes is the trick.

Also, with as many private companies now testing different space access systems, the dream of 100lbs for 1million to GEO orbit is quickly approaching.....

Or: (1, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973742)

You could just buy the DVDs of whatever movie/show you wish to see. It would certainly be less expensive than this "space" plan.
.

>>>Feedback on this comment system?

It sucks. I hate this dynamic index.

Re:Or: (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973820)

But it would be considerably less awesome. DVDs or shooting shit into space. Hmmm, which would I choose.

Re:Or: (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973910)

...Except for the fact to actually use the crap you paid for you usually have to break the law. Want to actually -watch- that DVD without having to watch ads? You usually have to use something like libdvdcss to break the encryption, same thing with format transfer. Games are often times nearly unplayable without cracks and the like.

I have no problems buying media, but its become to the point where in order to actually use what you paid for you end up breaking the law in some way or another.

When pirates not only are offering a free copy but a better copy, the sales for the legitimate copy will naturally slow.

Re:Or: (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974022)

(shrug)

I just watch the ads. It's easier and less time-consuming.

Take Fallout 3 (5, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974262)

Exactly. Take Fallout 3, PC, Collectors Edition. Good deal? Yes. Did I want to buy it? Yes. Did I try to order it? Yes. Can I? No.

Why not? Benelux distributor does not carry it. It does for the PS3 and the 360 but NOT the PC version. Why? Other CE's are carried but not this on.

So, I am going to pirate the game. That way I get all the extra's, all the special packs from various shops, and zero cost and zero hassle to me.

FUCK YOU content industry, when you actually make it impossible to buy products, my limit is reached.

And yes, it is the game companies that are to blame for the distributor. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to give exclusivity for a region? How are market forces supposed to act with monopolies? No competition, single supplier, no choice. My hard earned money should support this? Nope.

Stop fucking up your customers and maybe people like me would actually buy stuff. But if you don't even put it in the stuff, what am I supposed to do?

And if you claim I should import, you just don't get it do you, why should I jump through hoops, to give someone else money? It would be like the supermarket putting up a moat, daring me to come in and spend anything at pain of death.

Song of the South (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974024)

You could just buy the DVDs of whatever movie/show you wish to see.

If it's available in your region. If it's available in any region. Where can I buy an authentic copy of Song of the South on DVD?

Re:Song of the South (1)

imbrial (796923) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974184)

You can't buy it in the briar patch -- anywhere but there...

Re:Or: (1)

justleavealonemmmkay (1207142) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974138)

You could just buy the DVDs of whatever movie/show you wish to see. It would certainly be less expensive than this "space" plan.

The frickin shows I want to see is not available in stores, unless months afterwards, dubbed by people who don't understand the poorly translated references the translator did not get; DVD is an obsolete technology, sometimes I download the content of a DVD I own because it's inconvenient to manipulate the disk; DVDs are at the store, internet is at my home.

From tfa (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33973794)

The TFA mentioned the worry of having a "bandwidth provider" getting a take-down notice, thus pulling the site offline. How feasible would it be to simply have the micro satellite broadcast via RF the torrent list? It would cut out the need for a provider on the ground. All the PBers would need would be a way to recv the signal and input it into the computer.

It still doesn't solve the issue of "who would launch it into the sky" for them. Maybe China?

Pirates in orbit? (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973800)

Target practice!

And when the orbit decays (2, Funny)

LSD-OBS (183415) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973822)

get ready for one hell of a server crash

Its weird... (3, Funny)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973858)

Somehow I feel way less sympathy for these guys now that I can afford to just buy the games I want... weird.

just relocating the problem (3, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973868)

The location of the hardware where the data is stored is only a part of the challenge they face. Whether you put it on a platform in international waters, on a seagoing vessel, in orbit, or even on a sovereign planetoid, for it to be of use to terra-bound, law-bound consumers you need a communications link to that site, and one end of that link is going to be subject to the laws of whatever state the consumer is in.

Tracker on the Northern Sea? (1)

elh_inny (557966) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973884)

It's too bad that Sealand was unaffordable, but what about some of the greek islands that were up for sale?
I'm certain that this would have better latency...
It also reminds me of all the 'pirate' radio stations operation from the Northern Sea, have things changed since then? Should be much cheaper to run a tracker from there, maybe even rent some bandwidth from nearby oil rigs or the fibers under the sea - a much more viable option in my view...

In Space.... (1)

retech (1228598) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973902)

In Space No One Can Hear You Download.

Re:In Space.... (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974110)

No one except Chuck Norris

Re:In Space.... (1)

slick7 (1703596) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974180)

In Space No One Can Hear You Download.

It's also the perfect place for wikileaks.

Unnecessary (1)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973926)

Since the problem as I understand it is maintaining a list of torrents one could simply use a system such as http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Bad pun (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973942)

This idea is totally going to get shot down.

Outer Space Treaty (5, Informative)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33973984)

Won't work. Read the Outer Space Treaty [wikipedia.org] , specifically Article VI. (full text: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty_of_1967#Article_VI [wikisource.org] )

In short: if it's launched from Country X, Country X has responsibility for it, whether it was launched by the Country X government or just by some wacky idealists who live there. In practice, this means that spacecraft are no more outside of national laws than seagoing ships are.

Re:Outer Space Treaty (1)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974026)

Oh, Article VIII puts it more directly:

"A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body."

Re:Outer Space Treaty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974166)

Looking at the site linked, not every country agreed to this treaty.

Re:Outer Space Treaty (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974170)

What if they manage to launch from the middle of the Atlantic or some similar idea?

Re:Outer Space Treaty (2, Insightful)

RivenAleem (1590553) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974220)

This is why they need to launch it from a ship, which itself was built by another ship, from international waters.

If that doesn't work, I have these schematics for a giant wooden badger.

Re:Outer Space Treaty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974246)

Won't work. Read the Outer Space Treaty [wikipedia.org] , specifically Article VI. (full text: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty_of_1967#Article_VI [wikisource.org] )

In short: if it's launched from Country X, Country X has responsibility for it, whether it was launched by the Country X government or just by some wacky idealists who live there. In practice, this means that spacecraft are no more outside of national laws than seagoing ships are.

What about launches from international waters?

Sealand (2, Interesting)

Exitar (809068) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974088)

What happened of the money people donated to buy it?

why not just buy a boat ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974098)

buy a massive ship and host the server on that in international waters . get different ppi staff to operate it ?

What were they smokin'? (1)

chomsky68 (1719996) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974100)

I want some of that stuff!

Alternative solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974132)

If the internet is so tightly locked-down that you can't set up a torrent site without blasting it into orbit, maybe it's time to move off the internet.

I know we joke about IP over carrier pigeon, but couldn't P2P-like distribution methods be applied to physical media? Burnable DVDs are cheap, disposible carry an incredible amount of data and can be posted worldwide for the price of a beer. Let's upgrade the sneakernet, and apply it worldwide. I'm sure somebody could come up with some kind of method that grants users some measure of anonyminity / deniability.

Latency would suck, but the bandwidth would be good, and if the *IAA want to bust this one they'll have to start applying their draconian shit to the postal systems, not just the internet.

Maybe then, when their own snailmail is being opened and any penalised for including "intellectual property" of some kind, politicians will realise just how bad shit is.

Unaffordable (1)

ElusiveJoe (1716808) | more than 3 years ago | (#33974154)

That's it.

Better idea is to buy a ship and install WiMax or 3G towers on it, then keep it sailing in neutral waters near the shores. On the continent provide VPN services allowing to connect to the ship to avoid IP blocking.

Pirate Stations strike back!

watch out NASA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#33974244)

Pirates? IN SPACE?
I don't like the sound of this..

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