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Pay Or Else, News Site Threatens

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the good-luck-with-that dept.

The Courts 549

WED Fan writes "The North Country Gazette, a news blog, says users who read beyond a single page of an article must pay up or they will be tracked down. They don't have a pay wall. If you go beyond page 1, you owe them. From the article: 'A subscription is required at North Country Gazette. We allow only one free read per visitor. We are currently gathering IPs and computer info on persistent intruders who refuse to buy subscription and are engaging in a theft of services. We have engaged an attorney who will be doing a bulk subpoena demand on each ISP involved, particularly Verizon Droids, Frontier and Road Runner, and will then pursue individual legal actions.'"

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549 comments

Clueless (5, Insightful)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043750)

  Somehow I doubt they have the money to prosecute all the slashdotters who will soon be hitting their pages. Just the slashdot effect alone will likely bankrupt them.

  Id10ts.

SB

Re:Clueless (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043790)

The newpaper's site (http://www.northcountrygazette.org/) is now throwing up a 403 error. Fastest slashdotting ever?

Re:Clueless (4, Funny)

skuzzlebutt (177224) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044070)

Oh, Slashdot...didn't you sillies read their "do not 403 this website" warning?

SUED!

Re:Clueless (5, Funny)

Apothem (1921856) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043798)

Uh oh, I guess I shouldn't have hit refresh 50 times!

Re:Clueless (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044042)

Actually, in my non-lawyer understanding of the law, it seems that they are offering a contract on the page, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that people have to agree to it. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't both parties have to agree to a contract to make it binding? So, if you don't agree to the contract, you can keep browsing as it is online for everyone to access, or does it mean that you aren't allowed to keep viewing the site unless you agree to abide by the terms they place on the website (purely from a law point of view)?

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043832)

They'll have a hard time tracking anyone down and suing since they have apparently already been slashdotted/techdirted. Site down.

Re:Clueless (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043852)

there was some dirt on my screen so I read "I doubt they have the mopey to prosecute..." and I never saw that before, but I thought "cool word, I doubt they have the mopey too"

Re:Clueless (0, Troll)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043880)

Still, sounds better to NPR browbeating.

"Listening without membership makes you worse than Hitler." --Terry Gross

Re:Clueless (1)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043972)

Citation needed, please. Google returns nothing.

Re:Clueless (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043994)

I was joking. But only partially so.

You've never listened to NPR during membership drive season?

Re:Clueless (2, Interesting)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043886)

Is this like you go into the grocery store and eat a few twinkies and the manager bum rushes you and makes you pay? Or, is this like picking up a discarded paper on the ferry and the guy at the news stand demanding you pay him for it?

Re:Clueless (2, Funny)

funkatron (912521) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043978)

Or, is this like picking up a discarded paper on the ferry and the guy at the news stand demanding you pay him for it?

Don't you yank peoples have an equivalent of the metro [metro.co.uk] ? A paper that knows what it's worth?

what if restaurants tryed to sue for refills (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044054)

what if restaurants tryed to sue for refills (after that fact and don't do any thing to stop you) and they point to a small and out the way sign saying NO FREE refills.
what if they tried to press theft of services on you for taking a refill like that?

Re:what if restaurants tryed to sue for refills (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044158)

what if restaurants tryed to sue for refills (after that fact and don't do any thing to stop you) and they point to a small and out the way sign saying NO FREE refills.
what if they tried to press theft of services on you for taking a refill like that?

Do you mean coffee? Why not just charge for refills.

Re:Clueless (1)

JohnRoss1968 (574825) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044064)

no its more like what your reading right now....
ps you owe me $5 for reading this..
$25 if you reply

Re:Clueless (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044138)

Sounds fine, just reply with a way to contact you so I can pay you the $30.

Any response to this message will incur a $300 service charge.

Re:Clueless (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044130)

Is this like you go into the grocery store and eat a few twinkies and the manager bum rushes you and makes you pay?

I would say they are well within their rights to do that.

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044166)

no analogy will work here unless it involves cars.

Re:Clueless (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043888)

Who needs 4Chan and their DDOS, slashdot is good enough!

Re:Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043920)

Just refresh the first page. Enough to knock them offline :)

Re:Clueless (5, Funny)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044020)

"Just the slashdot effect alone will likely bankrupt them."

That's horrid! Time to alert 4chan to help save them!

Re:Clueless (0, Troll)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044192)

That's horrid!

  I don't know. I'm actually finding it rather amusing ;-)

  Everybody gets bit by stupidity at least once in a while. For a clusterfuck of this magnitude takes deliberate, arrogant ignorance.

SB

Re:Clueless (2, Interesting)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044068)

What I'd like to know is, what is this "Verizon Droids" ISP that they plan to subpeona? I mean, Slashdot readers tend to keep pretty up-to-date on the ISP world, especially with Verizon, and I wasn't aware they were using their license to the term "Droid" to start another ISP. Is this anything like their FiOS service?

Re:Clueless (3, Funny)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044100)

I just read 2 articles. I invite them to hire a Canadian lawyer to come after me.

What about NAT? (1)

immaterial (1520413) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044190)

Even assuming they could enforce this: What if you're behind a NAT? Are they going to try to sue me because my IP accessed 7 different articles after each person in my family accesses a single article as allowed by their terms? Even dozens or hundreds of views from a single IP isn't necessarily illegitimate (could be from a college or company). Clueless is right.

HAHAHAHAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043766)

HAHA, damn, havent laughed that hard in a while...

Declining Subscriptions (5, Funny)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043770)

Seems like a perfect solution to declining readership - sue them until they pay.

Re:Declining Subscriptions (4, Informative)

gooman (709147) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044194)

They learned it from the RIAA.

So how big a bill will Google's spiders pick up? (5, Insightful)

Eightbitgnosis (1571875) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043780)

Seems like a lot of automated systems are racking up infractions

Is this a joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043784)

SURPRISE - By reading the word SURPRISE you have agreed to pay me a grillion megabucks! If you hide your IP you have also agreed to pay me the cost of a cyberpoliceman, and if you refuse to pay you have agreed to pay me the cost of a good beer! You are agreeing to even more as we speak! Surprise, huh? There, you read it again!

Re:Is this a joke? (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043846)

You forgot to sign off with...

NOOObody expects the SpANish INquisitiON!

Well, what else can we do, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043786)

...add a little noise to their signal? I dunno about you guys, but I'll be firing up TOR on a one minute rotation and browsing to my hearts content.

Aw (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043794)

It's password protected now. That was going to be fun. :/

Re:Aw (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043866)

Actually, go to the archives on the right. Those stories are still served without a password.

Re:Aw (1)

Bassman59 (519820) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043992)

Actually, go to the archives on the right. Those stories are still served without a password.

Nope, database errors returned there too. I checked www.bugmenot.com to see if anyone put up a password, but alas not.

Re:Aw (1)

jnpcl (1929302) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044044)

I especially like how there's a password field, but no username. And no apparent way to log in.

Re:Aw (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044060)

When it wasn't slashdotted, the stories were still available in the archives.

Whaaaa? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043796)

HAHAHAHAHA.........Lame...they don't know how to make a website. Come hunt me down!

If you want that 1 free read but must subscribe, put a freaking paywall there.

2. profit!

North County Gazatte (1)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043808)

The North Country Gazette [northcountrygazette.org] . It's an interesting model. I wonder how it will work. We should all visit this and see.

Re:North County Gazatte (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043864)

I am visiting it - repeatedly. So far, it's database errors and connection resets. I think it will be that way for a while.

Re:North County Gazatte (1)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044002)

Well shucks. That makes it difficult to evaluate their profit model.

not a contract. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043814)

unless you have voluntarily agreed to the terms this is non binding. there is no mutual agreement to any payment and your actions of viewing a random page do not construe such a contract or agreement. furthermore the person agreeing to any contract terms on dhcp cannot be proven to be the same person who clicked in a week later. clueless asshats.

Re:not a contract. (0, Offtopic)

funkatron (912521) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044050)

Dude. You mentioned "contract" (a law word) in the same sentence as "dhcp" (a tech word). That automatically means a 3 year court process is needed.

Re:not a contract. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044140)

By reading this response, you agree to pay me $1,000. If you don't pay me, I'll sue.

Well, there's nothing to see now... (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043818)

403 Forbidden Forbidden

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 Server at www.northcountrygazette.org Port 80

Re:Well, there's nothing to see now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043930)

And 8 minutes later, the server is no longer responding to requests at all. Damn.

Re:Well, there's nothing to see now... (2, Funny)

matazar (1104563) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044040)

Yeah, I didn't even get a chance to look at it.
I'll set my computers to refresh the page every couple of minutes until it comes back.....

Re:Well, there's nothing to see now... (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044062)

That's what I got at first attempt.

But in a different browser it slowly opened up but the articles are dead slow opening up.

I was surprised to find a lot of the local news articles are password protected, in my world that does make a strange combination with what the Techdirt article is about.

I noticed the warning in red at the bottom at a 'free' article but don't see the 'ad at the right'.

What I did notice is a google ad at the top of the page and by the subject I figure google knows I'm able to read Dutch :)

Fastest. Slashdoting. EVER. (3, Funny)

The Breeze (140484) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043822)

0 Comments when I hit reply, and the site is already down.

Why do I suspect that somewhere in "upstate New York" there's a DSL modem sitting on a static IP that just got reduced to a molten pile of slag?

Re:Fastest. Slashdoting. EVER. (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043890)

Even more impressive since the site in question wasn't even directly targeted; ./ linked to a story ABOUT the site in question. So two clicks (the second one requiring at least two seconds of scanning to find) were necessary.

Re:Fastest. Slashdoting. EVER. (1)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044126)

  Didn't even have large files that were directly linked to. Lame.

  Good bet that their website admin is looking for a new job before the evening is over, poor bastard. (Not likely that the people actually responsible for this idiocy will be sacked, unfortunately)

SB

Re:Fastest. Slashdoting. EVER. (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043900)

MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I had to add the evil laugh; after all, it's almost Halloween.

Re:Fastest. Slashdoting. EVER. (1)

shadowbearer (554144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044030)

  Zero comments when I posted*, and when I tried to access the site about ten seconds after that, it was already down ;-)

  I think we can all see how this is going to play out...

  * My first First Post. Yippy doo dah.

SB

Sticking it to Starbucks... (4, Funny)

flogger (524072) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043824)

I'm going to go to the local StarBucks and register in their name and address and read/download about 100,000 pages. I hope they send starbucks a nice fat bill... Never did like them.

Re:Sticking it to Starbucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044152)

I'm going to go to the local StarBucks and register in their name and address and read/download about 100,000 pages. I hope they send starbucks a nice fat bill... Never did like them.

Slashdot, the one place on the web where a guy can boast about being a troll and get a 3 Insightful mod. FYI some of us use the service so people trolling them and risks Starbucks discontinuing the service. If you are threatening them over their coffee prices here's a thought, stay home and brew your own! You save the price of the coffee you'd have to buy to troll them and you leave the rest of us with a useful service.

Can't read the article (1)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043826)

Or they'll sue me.

This one needs to keep going... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043834)

This slashdotting, I mean...

Good luck with that... (1)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043836)

after all, a user/browser is simply requesting the info - the site (which is under their control) is then giving it to them. There's no copying here, except what they implicitly permit by their own actions.

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043934)

after all, a user/browser is simply requesting the info - the site (which is under their control) is then giving it to them. There's no copying here, except what they implicitly permit by their own actions.

Good point. They need to read up a little bit on http return code 402 [w3.org] .

You're shitting me... (1)

Pezbian (1641885) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043838)

Reads like a dumbass just trying to sound smart. You know the species. Vague legal threats with a bunch of "therefore" "forthwith" "hereby" "heretofore" and other such words that only _sound_ official.

Re:You're shitting me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043938)

You forgot the classic "therebyheretoforthwith". THAT'S where the smarts come in to play!

Right....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043844)

Well if we're going that route, shouldn't they be shut down for facilitating the "theft"? Like Limewire?

DoS 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043858)

A botnet would be useful about now.

Re:DoS 'em (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043988)

Why? It has been /.ed anyway.

Pay them?! (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043868)

I wouldn't give them the steam off my shit.

just one page (1)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043870)

[un]fortunately, i was only able to actually view one page, as when i went to click on a second link i received a "Database Error".

the most interesting thing was that more recent articles have a password. that makes me wonder:

is there only one password? is it: ' and 1 = 1 ---?

do users "share" passwords?

what happens when someone clicks the "share" link? does having multiple people visit from your "share" cause additional copyright infringement?

Great idea! (1)

rebot777 (765163) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043878)

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's rack up huge legal expenses while we continue to lose profits! ...Then we can save our industry, we'll be heroes.

Re:Great idea! (2, Insightful)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044014)

See music/record industry, early year 2000's.

Just add their site to Adblock Plus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043896)

Just add their site to Adblock Plus and you should be safe.

A moral use for a botnet (1)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043922)

Tell your army of pwned Windows machines to hit that server and read to page two: irritating blog vs. a couple hundred thousand clueless computer owners in court should be not only comedy gold but also a good lesson to everyone involved.

Good thing they got money (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043924)

Reading the news now, using Google's cached pages. I'm sure they can foot my bill for me.

Gullible users isn't a payoff or a business model (1)

adosch (1397357) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043926)

You have got to be kidding me! At what point would this hold up, ever? I beg to wonder what stakeholder douche with a slight pinch of technological know-how came up with this toilet spin idea. Besides the fact of droning on about how stupid of an idea that is, for anyone who has actually spent time cross-referencing IP address to physical users and are NOT an ISP, it's exhaustive, expensive, mildly time consuming and with all the other entities involved, you better have a damn good reason other than a flawed model to gain income from your website.

Wake up North Country Gazette and welcome to the wide variety the internet has to offer. The amount of users who will just find somewhere else to get their content far outweighs the few dumb ones that will pay for it. That's not business, that's lunacy.

Re:Gullible users isn't a payoff or a business mod (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044018)

Wait until they find out about my proof-reading fee. I charge $1000 per article, but the first one is free. I will be sending them my bill once the site is back up...

Dumbest business model ever.

Do error pages count? (1)

loftwyr (36717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043932)

Does that include the Database Error Page I'm getting constantly? Cuz I've seen that a dozen times

Reading is "Theft of Services" (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043944)

Heaven forbid someone should happen to walk by a newspaper stand, or pick one up at a coffee shop somewhere.

Services implicitly purchased (1)

gorfie (700458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043948)

Maybe one could reply to their request for money stating that you charge $1,000 per minute of your time when it comes to responding to legal inquiries and that they now owe you $10,000 for services rendered (i.e. you reading and responding to their request).

News I can't do without... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34043950)

I'm going to miss all that critical news that only the North Country Gazette could give me. Whatever will I do??!!

Web crawler shell script + Starbucks = Profit! (1)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043952)

Too bad the site is down right now.

Re:Web crawler shell script + Starbucks = Profit! (1)

RedEars (1622495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044026)

Yes, please.

Site is down (1)

monjici (720023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043984)

The site is down... I guess they decided they gathered enough IPs for today ;)

Herderp (1)

Lulfas (1140109) | more than 3 years ago | (#34043998)

It has already been changed. Suddenly, all news articles there now say "This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:"

What a welcoming website (4, Funny)

selven (1556643) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044004)

All the new articles seem to be password protected. Furthermore, I do not see a "purchase access" link anywhere on the front page. With that kind of usability, I'm sure tens of people will subscribe to them!

Re:What a welcoming website (1)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044074)

I think you're doing your maths wrong. It's tenths of people will subscribe to them.

How Much? (5, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044006)

How much does a page that reads "Error establishing a database connection" cost? I mean, I think local news is good, but if that's your only headline...

How to view actual articles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044032)

To access full text articles and see funny message search for " (%22): http://www.northcountrygazette.org/?s=%22
Direct example article link: http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2010/10/24/grannis_firing/#more-19080

Get rich quick scheme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044034)

1. Create website that charges visitors automatically
2. Write in outrage about it on Slashdot
3. ???? No wait
4. Profit!

Countersuit (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044046)

Seems perfectly legitimate to me. In fact, I'm about to sue them because instead of returning the HTTP commands I'm lending to them, they are processing them and responding with web pages! My supply of HTTP commands is running low, and these thieves need to be brought to justice.

BobFromMarketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044058)

Whoever their advertising guy is who thought this up is going to be getting a nice Christmas bonus this year. The traffic that's causing has got to be worth millions.

still available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044076)

seems they've only shifted the / redirect. They are still serving deeper pages, which you can find by doing a google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anorthcountrygazette.org

responding slowly, but does load when there isn't a connection error:

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/index.html

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/contact.html

Contact the North Country Gazette
Please send your questions or comments to news@northcountrygazette.org

I know the webmaster from there... (2, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044090)

Well, knew him virtually up till about two years ago on a MUSH.

Real asshat, I banned him a few times, he'd slink back and apologize and then be weird again.

Apparently lawyers are dirt-cheap now... (2, Interesting)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044094)

"...We have engaged an attorney who will be doing a bulk subpoena demand on each ISP involved, particularly Verizon Droids, Frontier and Road Runner, and will then pursue individual legal actions.'"

Yes, because somehow this is so much cheaper than putting up a paywall...

IANAL, but I have a word for what they're doing...it's called extortion. Good luck finding any readers after pulling a stunt like this...

Amazing... (1)

zelkovamoon (1929096) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044110)

Wow... Are they retarded or what, lol. Their content isnt even that worthwhile.

German TV does the same (0, Offtopic)

SlothDead (1251206) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044122)

This is just like in Germany, where you have to pay for a few crappy state funded TV channels if you own a computer with an internet connection, because these channels put a few fragments of some shows on the web for a few days after they aired.

If you found this comment not that interesting you might want to watch this cyanide&happiness cartoon instead (yes, it's related to this slashdot story): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcO9svaOahM [youtube.com] "The Sign"

DoS (1)

wasabu (1502975) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044124)

Lolz... Denial Of Service condition at time of posting.... could it be dying a natural death? :)

Funniest bit is the PayPal link (3, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044160)

I don't mean the top one to buy a subscription, I mean the one lower down, where you can simply "donate". To a company that will then sue you for not donating enough.

There is not enough Epic for this Fail. They've used up the supply of Epic Fail right through to New Years.

This woman is detached from reality. (5, Informative)

Hero Zzyzzx (525153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34044164)

She got in a fight with a retired attorney here [harvard.edu] , where he calls out her sockpuppetting and claims that "fair use doesn't apply," like just saying it would make it so.

Anyway - she's clearing using an autoblogging plugin like wp-robot (won't link, they are scum) to rip articles from other sites via RSS while stripping attribution in her attempt to extort money from people more ill-informed than her - if they exist. Basically, she is guilty of exactly what she's accusing others of doing.

I love cranks. They really keep the world interesting.

Full disclosure: I sysadmin blogs.law.harvard.edu.

All of you freaking guys: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34044178)

I just love your sense of humor and you almost made me cry for lol!
Aaaahhhhh.... (recovering). More lol!
And then that stupid server went down, ;)
CANTINERO: one beer for everybody!

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  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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