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Google Now Second-Largest ISP

samzenpus posted about 4 years ago | from the all-hail-the-google dept.

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bednarz writes "Google is now the second-largest carrier of Internet traffic, accounting for 6.4% of all web traffic, according to data released this week by Arbor Networks. But should IT execs care? Yes, says Craig Labovitz, Arbor's chief scientist, who argues that IT managers need to understand how macro Internet traffic trends will affect the design and management of their own network backbones. 'This will affect how enterprises plan their services... whether they host their own services or whether they use cloud vendors,' Labovitz says. 'The enterprise needs to shift its thinking in terms of [service level agreements] and the way it measures, monitors and secures its networks. That all used to be focused on connectivity, but now it needs to be focused on content.'"

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blah blah blah (5, Insightful)

Elbereth (58257) | about 4 years ago | (#34044380)

blah blah blah GOOGLE blah blah blah IT MANAGERS blah blah blah NETWORK BACKBONE blah blah blah THE CLOUD blah blah blah THE ENTERPRISE blah blah blah.

Re:blah blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044424)

You forgot MACRO. I had no idea so many macros were being sent around the internet.

blah Founded by Jewish former-CIA employees blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044464)

You missed that Google, like FaceBook, account for the majority of the IP traffic in the world by ASSOCIATION, and are major Intelligence-gathering outfits founded by Talmud Jews that believe the following...

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status, Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Insults Against Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Attacks Christians and their Books, Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).

Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings, Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.

Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

Sanhedrin 59a: "A Goy (Gentile) who pries into the law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

" Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age.

" Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass.

" Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

" Schabouth Hag. 6b: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.

" Zohar 1,160a: "Jews must always try to deceive Christians." Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim (Gentiles) in danger of death.

" Choschen Ham 388, 15: "If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

Choschen Ham 266, 1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

Re:blah Founded by Jewish former-CIA employees bla (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 4 years ago | (#34044856)

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Bessy? Bessy! I told you to keep quiet! I told you to keep your udders just for me! How could you tell those dang Jews about our special love?
Oh, Bessy... how could you forsake me?

Re:blah Founded by Jewish former-CIA employees bla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045642)

As though that cow was Jewish, because she found someone else who payed more for the milk. It's as though Jewish religion is the divorced bitter wife of Christianity. ;-)

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Bessy? Bessy! I told you to keep quiet! I told you to keep your udders just for me! How could you tell those dang Jews about our special love?
Oh, Bessy... how could you forsake me?

Re:blah blah blah (2, Funny)

Zakias (444869) | about 4 years ago | (#34044528)

Bonk bonk!
Bonk on the head!
Grup! Bonk bonk!

Re:blah blah blah (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about 4 years ago | (#34044846)

Bonk bonk! Bonk on the head! Grup! Bonk bonk!

Sweet ST:TOS reference.

Re:blah blah blah (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 4 years ago | (#34044888)

Did you miss this part?

Increasingly, whether you're a consumer or an enterprise, you care not about reaching thousands of different Web sites. You care about the 20 social networking, cloud vendor and partner sites that you do business with."... The Arbor Networks' data points to a future where Internet traffic consolidates on the networks of a handful of carriers and content providers - what Arbor calls "hyper giants."

If this is true, the Internet is headed for massive consolidation, until it is in the grip of just a few power-broker companies, and being an online entrepreneur will become next to impossible. I sure hope not. Somehow a few college kids have been able to overthrow seemingly entrenched leaders like yahoo and myspace. I would like to see a future where this is still possible. However, what I see instead is a lot of consolidation, with centralized websites displacing distributed services like usenet and roll-your-own homepages. Granted, there are good reasons those died, but it's sad to see the virtual world turn out pretty much like the real one.

Re:blah blah blah (2, Informative)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 4 years ago | (#34045118)

No, I think he got that part, it was right here:

IT MANAGERS blah blah blah NETWORK BACKBONE blah blah blah THE CLOUD blah blah blah THE ENTERPRISE blah blah blah.

Re:blah blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045852)

word!

best post ever! (1)

1800maxim (702377) | about 4 years ago | (#34048856)

'nuff said

Re:blah blah blah - obligatory xk... no, Dilbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34060186)

Well actually.. (1)

sosaited (1925622) | about 4 years ago | (#34044390)

A large proportion of that traffic should be from GoogleBot. And I wouldn't consider Google an ISP, but just a Service(s) Provider.

Re:Well actually.. (1)

Phopojijo (1603961) | about 4 years ago | (#34044422)

Actually from where I heard this story originally, it SHOULD include Youtube, etc.

Re:Well actually.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044530)

The total MUST NOT include data routed only over wired nets and the loopback interface on machines which aren't google's. It MAY include all the traffic they sniffed from your mom's unencrypted network.

Re:Well actually.. (1)

PatPending (953482) | about 4 years ago | (#34045062)

From the shitty article:

Most of Google's data is video from its popular YouTube site.

Re:Well actually.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044456)

A large proportion of that traffic should be from GoogleBot. And I wouldn't consider Google an ISP, but just a Service(s) Provider.

hahaha, yeah, just an "Internet" Service Provider ;-)

Re:Well actually.. (1)

Skal Tura (595728) | about 4 years ago | (#34044966)

service provider which providers services in the internet .... hmmph... Call this quite a leap, but doesn't that mane an internet service provider? ;)

(Yes i know, most people think ISP means those which provides your broadband only ...)

Re:Well actually.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045836)

False. most consider dial-up providers to be ISPs as well.

I just wrecked your WORLD. What now little man?

Re:Well actually.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045402)

Google sells service to other ISP's. They are a ISP for ISPs. "everyone has a upstream" They are a ISP. Call them up and ask for a loop, you likely do not have enough eyeballs on your network for them however.

a game changer.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044400)

...for clown vendors [stuff4clowns.com] .

So much and yet. (2, Interesting)

Phopojijo (1603961) | about 4 years ago | (#34044406)

And yet so many people think that Google *is* the internet these days.

Re:So much and yet. (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | about 4 years ago | (#34044648)

And the rest think the web is the internet. I heard someone on TV last week refer to Tim Berners-Lee as the inventor of the Internet, and that it was invented in 1990 :/ I don't even think he should get full credit for inventing the web, considering that hypertext and Xanadu were invented long before.

Re:So much and yet. (1)

Macrat (638047) | about 4 years ago | (#34044700)

And yet so many people think that Google *is* the internet these days.

It's NOT the internet?

How did people get to a web site with a browser before Google allowed you to search for it?

Re:So much and yet. (1)

Phopojijo (1603961) | about 4 years ago | (#34044838)

AOL Keywords, Navigating through a Yahoo directory tree, and Webcrawler :(

Re:So much and yet. (1)

Macrat (638047) | about 4 years ago | (#34044858)

The answer I was looking for: "Typing in the site's URL"

Re:So much and yet. (1)

Phopojijo (1603961) | about 4 years ago | (#34059190)

Unfortunately it was before Google so you didn't find it.

Re:So much and yet. (1)

SigmundFloyd (994648) | about 4 years ago | (#34047540)

How did people get to a web site with a browser before Google allowed you to search for it?

Altavista.

Re:So much and yet. (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 4 years ago | (#34047836)

How did people get to a web site with a browser before Google allowed you to search for it?

They used a bangpath.

But who is number 1 (1)

chrisj_0 (825246) | about 4 years ago | (#34044436)

TFA won't say who's ahead of google :(

Google is an ISP? (4, Funny)

Looce (1062620) | about 4 years ago | (#34044440)

And I thought Google TiSP [google.com] was just a joke...

ISP != Google (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | about 4 years ago | (#34044450)

If Google is an Internet Service Provider then where is the access because I would LOVE to drop AT&T DSL and use something that has better pricing with better bandwidth (AT&T DSL is the only fucking option where I live to all you competition is good assholes out there)

Now I would agree with a statement that Google is one of the largest consumers of internet bandwidth, or they are one of the largest content providers on the internet, but ISP...come on. Next thing you know some /.'ers will be harping on how Google should have common carrier status or some other BS.

Full disclosure, I did not read TFA and I am in a pissed off mood, common slashdot conditions.

Re:ISP != Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044646)

This is the same rage I feel every time people imply that Macintoshes are not Personal Computers.

Re:ISP != Google (1)

Macrat (638047) | about 4 years ago | (#34044744)

If Google is an Internet Service Provider then where is the access because I would LOVE to drop AT&T DSL and use something that has better pricing with better bandwidth (AT&T DSL is the only fucking option where I live to all you competition is good assholes out there)

According to the hype, Verizon FIOS is "coming soon" everywhere. :-)

Now I would agree with a statement that Google is one of the largest consumers of internet bandwidth, or they are one of the largest content providers on the internet, but ISP...come on.

Keep in mind that they provide wifi acces for most of the area around the city of Mountain View, CA. But yeah, not that big of an ISP.

Re:ISP != Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044828)

You're also a dumb fuckwit, but that's a common slashdot condition, too.

Strange as it may seem to you, there are whole non-search-engine companies whose business is providing internet service, but don't offer internet service to consumers like you, both because last-mile service is expensive to provide, and because consumers are whiny little bitches. While I'm not going to be a "tech support"/handholding cost (even if my ISP is down -- I hate talking to people who are under orders to assume I'm an idiot, and if it's broken for me, it'll be broken for someone else who likes whining at tech support), and don't like the assrape built into a standard consumer contract, but I understand its necessity -- if assraping the whiny little bitches weren't allowed, then nobody would tolerate them.

But business ISPs that don't deal with consumers offer reasonable (i.e. non-assrapacious) contracts that are fair to both sides, guaranteed SLAs, and the works. And they don't deal with consumers because whiny little bitches are just more trouble than they're worth. None of them will be replacing your AT&T home internet connection, at least not at any price you care to afford.

So tell me how Google's internet service side, the infrastructure that moves all their traffic, and which they own, is not-an-ISP even though if they paid another company to do it, they would be an ISP? Or do you just say that those aren't ISPs either, because "If $ISP is an Internet Service Provider then where is the access" to consumers like you?

Full disclosure, I did not read TFA and I just got fired and am in a mood that makes you look like a FUCKING CAREBEAR!, common slashdot conditions.

Re:ISP != Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045112)

An Internet service provider (ISP), also sometimes referred to as an Internet access provider (IAP), is a company that offers its customers access to the Internet. w:ISP [wikipedia.org]

You know, you can change the established meaning of words but unless you're a mass medium, don't expect people to understand you. Not everything that provides services on the Internet is an Internet Service Provider.

So tell me how Google's internet service side, the infrastructure that moves all their traffic, and which they own, is not-an-ISP even though if they paid another company to do it, they would be an ISP?

If they paid another company to provide Google access to the Internet, that company would be Google's ISP. If we're going to call every company that connects itself to the Internet an ISP the term becomes useless.

And, the largest one is.. (4, Informative)

prakslash (681585) | about 4 years ago | (#34044466)

From the linked article:

Only one tier 1 provider – a wholesaler to other ISPs – carries more Internet traffic on its backbone network than Google does (Arbor declined to identify the provider)

Arbor may decline to identify the largest provider but this is Slashdot, damn it. You know you will find the answer here.

And, the answer is... Level 3 Communications [wikipedia.org]

What happend to Akamari? (1)

TheSunborn (68004) | about 4 years ago | (#34044564)

What happend to Akamari? Don't they serve much more data then google?

Re:What happend to Akamari? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34044612)

Don't they serve much more data then google?

No, but I'd guess they serve pretty good sushi.

Re:What happend to Akamari? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045126)

Don't they serve much more data then google?

No, but I'd guess they serve pretty good sushi.

That joke made me roefl.

Re:What happend to Akamari? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | about 4 years ago | (#34044778)

I suspect that a lot of Akamai's data transfer is either not counted or not attributed to Akamai because it comes from "inside" the eyeball ISPs.

Re:What happend to Akamari? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045354)

I suspect that a lot of Akamai's data transfer is either not counted or not attributed to Akamai because it comes from "inside" the eyeball ISPs.

Wow, I can connect to the Internet from "inside" my eyeballs? Sign me up!

Re:What happend to Akamari? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | about 4 years ago | (#34046210)

Wow, I can connect to the Internet from "inside" my eyeballs? Sign me up!

You don't want to go there; just think of the spam.

Re:What happend to Akamari? (3, Informative)

pavon (30274) | about 4 years ago | (#34045168)

This has nothing to do with how much data the company serves. It is a measure of how much content flows over the company's pipes. AFAIK, Akamai doesn't have it's own pipes - they buy transit just like everyone else. Google on the otherhand purchased large amounts of dark fiber after the dot-com bust, and use it to decrease their bandwidth costs.

Re:And, the largest one is.. (2, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 4 years ago | (#34044814)

TFA is a puff piece interview of the guy who put out the press release.
Amazingly shoddy journalism.

Here's what he said in the comments

Comment Post by: Craig Labovitz -- October 26th, 2010 @ 7:47 am EST Reply
Given commercial sensitivities, we are not disclosing any rankings of other providers. Though most backbone engineers would probably have the right guess.

It's not a secret that Level 3 is #1 and will probably stay that way since they can easily increase their bandwidth.

Re:Why Are all tech sites getting this wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34053410)

Many sites are reporting this article as "Google now the 2nd largest ISP"--indicating how low the standards of tech journalism are. The original report states that IF Google were an ISP, it would be the world's second largest. And it is not even clear what metric is being used. Petabytes per day? Capacity? clearly nothing with any distance measure attached. I assume petabytes per day is used and the point is simply that Google is the largest content provider in the world.
But the article is misleading because Google does own some of its own fiber--if I looked at just the headline, I would assume that google had actually become the second biggest ISP.
For shame, tech sites!

I am getting concerned about Google (1)

bogaboga (793279) | about 4 years ago | (#34044606)

And here's why:

Google is already in our internet search lives, our phones, and email. Google is already plotting to get into our living rooms and kitchens. Where will this stop? Guys, I am getting quite concerned about Google. Who wouldn't be?

Re:I am getting concerned about Google (5, Funny)

IrritableBeing (1281212) | about 4 years ago | (#34045124)

And here's why:

Google is already in our internet search lives, our phones, and email. Google is already plotting to get into our living rooms and kitchens. Where will this stop? Guys, I am getting quite concerned about Google. Who wouldn't be?

I am more concerned that they have ALL OF THIS MONEY and still have not made a cheap, realistic sex doll.

Re:I am getting concerned about Google (2, Insightful)

onefriedrice (1171917) | about 4 years ago | (#34045158)

And here's why:

Google is already in our internet search lives, our phones, and email. Google is already plotting to get into our living rooms and kitchens. Where will this stop? Guys, I am getting quite concerned about Google. Who wouldn't be?

I'm not really concerned about Google. I do use Google's search engine (with their analytics servers redirecting to 127.0.0.1). Otherwise, Google is not in my phone or email. They're also not going to get into my living room or kitchen without a drop-dead amazing product, and I'm fairly confident they won't be able to impress me enough with anything they could offer. Probably the fact that they're the second largest ISP is more concerning to me than any of that other stuff, but I also don't have any reason to trust Google any less than any other company. Somebody has to be the second largest ISP. Until Google demonstrates some serious breach of privacy, I guess I don't really mind that it's them.

Catch-22 (1)

Doctor O (549663) | about 4 years ago | (#34047440)

You know, this is Slashdot, and I am among those who use AdBlock Pro, NoScript and /etc/hosts autoupdated via cron for a nice, clean surfing experience. So I hear what you're saying concerning Google Analytics going to the loop interface. Not allowing GA via NoScript also works well.

But being a freelance consultant with multiple web sites using GA (and Piwik, mind you), it's not feasible, because if you block GA via *any* method, you can't query your own statistics any more. Allowing and disallowing GA every time isn't very practical, as is using a different browser just for accessing one web site.

If someone has a nice idea concerning this dilemma, I'm open for suggestions. Until then, I'll keep using Safari for my commercial needs, but boy, this is unelegant.

Re:Catch-22 (1)

Muros (1167213) | about 4 years ago | (#34048768)

but boy, this is unelegant.

Your spelling is pretty unelegant too.

Re:Catch-22 (1)

Doctor O (549663) | about 4 years ago | (#34051344)

Congratulations! You've just found out which prefix my native language uses for the adjective "elegant"! You win as many washing machines as you can carry at once. Collect at the exit to your left. ;P

Re:I am getting concerned about Google (0, Troll)

PietjeJantje (917584) | about 4 years ago | (#34045368)

And Google is in your slashdot, modding your and mine comment to oblivion (you troll!), while minifying/laughing away/ridiculing any concerns and placing insightful comments about how all is well.

Help! There's an omniscient elf in my pocket (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 4 years ago | (#34045478)

He's got every book, every fact, every song in the world. If I'm shopping for something, he can show me the prices nearby that it's offered at. He can bring me anything that is sold in all the world. He can tell me how to get to anywhere, and sell me tickets too. He'll even show my my place in the Universe. He knows so much about me that when I ask him the news, he only gives me the news I find interesting - and he found this out because I told him.

It's threatening. Though he's not done anything mean or spiteful yet that much power can't be good. It seems every time I ask him for something he learns even more about what I want, and uses that information to serve me better and even faster. It's creepy. Somebody rescue me please!

I could just leave him home but he's so darned useful. What if I needed to know the emergency treatment for jellyfish sting or something, and he wasn't there?

Re:I am getting concerned about Google (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34046204)

Google is already in our internet search lives, our phones, and email.

They are only there if you intentionally put them there.

Google is already plotting to get into our living rooms and kitchens.

"Plotting"? You could have said "building stuff people want", but it wouldn't sound as upsetting.

Where will this stop?

Google's data on you will stop wherever you tell them to stop. Be an adult, make your choice, and stop complaining.

Guys, I am getting quite concerned about Google. Who wouldn't be?

I am not concerned. If I consider something to be sensitive, I don't put it where google can see it. Being upset with Google because you can't prove they didn't do something you don't like with information you chose to give them is ridiculous. If I give you my credit card number, and I can't prove that you didn't use it to buy guns, is it reasonable to complain about your behavior?

ISP? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 4 years ago | (#34044780)

So when will they be selling access points in my area?

Re:ISP? (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | about 4 years ago | (#34044930)

With all of the passwords and other data they've taken without permission (regardless of whether you think it's okay), what do you think they'll do if you use an internet connection provided by them, and agree to their terms of service that they can change at any time?

Re:ISP? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045450)

Every ISP has a terms of service which they can change at any time. They also have access to all the data that goes through their pipes. What's your point?

Re:ISP? (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | about 4 years ago | (#34045758)

My point is having Google as the ISP isn't guaranteed to make things better than they are with the current ISP.

dude (2, Insightful)

iteyoidar (972700) | about 4 years ago | (#34044904)

'This will affect how enterprises plan their services... whether they host their own services or whether they use cloud vendors,' Labovitz says. 'The enterprise needs to shift its thinking in terms of [service level agreements] and the way it measures, monitors and secures its networks. That all used to be focused on connectivity, but now it needs to be focused on content.'"

I read this through 3 times and I'm still pretty sure it doesn't mean anything at all

Re:dude (1)

opposabledumbs (1434215) | about 4 years ago | (#34045176)

Studies have shown that comprehension levels this type of statement tend to correlate with levels of hair-pointiness.

Largest ISP? (1)

Oceanplexian (807998) | about 4 years ago | (#34045044)

Really, is it fair to call them the largest ISP? Sure, they may technically be an ISP, and they may have a ton of search traffic, but those two are non-inclusive of each other. They don't actually provide connectivity to millions of customers like Comcast or Verizon do. As for selling wholesale Tier 1 access, I doubt it's more than Global Crossing or AT&T.

My big issue with this article is that it reads like a plug for cloud-based (what's that supposed to mean again?), a.k.a content-based hosting when that's not how most businesses do telecom. Most people are concerned with SLAs and bandwidth because they want to run their own services for privacy and security reasons. Things like Google Apps are great, but rest assured, Google employees are reading your email whether it's condoned or not.

Not an ISP (2, Interesting)

Nethead (1563) | about 4 years ago | (#34045252)

Google is not an ISP. They are a content provider with a whole bunch of really good peering contracts and private fiber. They are not (yet) an ISP.

ISPs provide Internet service to end users. I don't even include transport providers (Level3, UUnet, Sprint, GBLX, etc.) as ISPs.

There are not many pure ISPs left. Clearwire is about the only one I can think of on a national scale.

Re:Not an ISP (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | about 4 years ago | (#34045396)

I'd argue they are now an ISP:

Stanford Fiber Network, provided by Google.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20020364-265.html [cnet.com]

This is only the pilot. Then begins the rollout in the city that wins their earlier fiber competition.

Also, some pure ISPs still exist. Megapath (previously Covad, Speakeasy, etc.) for example. Clearwire is a wholesale "4G" provider for Sprint first, and an ISP second.

Re:Not an ISP (1)

ishobo (160209) | about 4 years ago | (#34045630)

One can get a DS1 or higher from Level3, UUnet, Sprint, etc... They are all ISPs that cater to the business segment. In terms of largest, that would depend on the criteria used. Simply counting the sum of all traffic flowing through a company's network is not legitimate. A better metric would be to count only the traffic that originates and ends at a customer access point.

Network World distorted what Arbor was saying and Slashdot continued its fine tradition of being a clusterfuck of Internet wisdom.

Re:Not an ISP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34045964)

http://wifi.google.com/
They are an ISP for some people.

Re:Not an ISP (1)

jroysdon (201893) | about 4 years ago | (#34046054)

Huh? Since when did UUNET/Verizon and Sprint stop being ISPs? I turned up circuits to both recently. They'll gladly sell you service, just call up and order a T1 or bigger.

Just because you don't want to buy what they're selling doesn't make them not an ISP.

Re:Not an ISP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34047450)

Looks like the interviewer in this thedailywtf story http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Best,-The-TDWTF-Interview,-and-The-Stormout.aspx was right all along:

He paused for a moment and said, "sounds good to me. Do you have experience working at an ISP?"

"I think you're using a different definition of ISP than me," I responded, "what I mean is... I wouldn't have considered Google to be an ISP, but a search engine. Can you clarify?"

"No, no. They're actually both ISPs, as they allow people to access websites. Would you consider any of the companies you worked at to be an ISP?"

ISP? (1)

AaronAdamic (1923796) | about 4 years ago | (#34047502)

I haven't heard about it.

The Jeffrey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34048078)

Arbor Networks/Tektronix, Craig Labovitz... bwhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... are they out of business yet? Tens of thousands of dollars for devices that require a sales engineer to accompany them because configuring them is such a cluster... Figuring out the macro trends that affect the design and management of it's own company might be more of a priority for Arbor!
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