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BSG Prequel Series Caprica Canceled

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the so-sick-of-emo dept.

Sci-Fi 602

Kethinov writes "The sci-fi TV series Caprica, a prequel spinoff from Battlestar Galactica, was just canceled by the Syfy channel. In response to the cancellation and the recent theme of many similar good sci-fi shows getting canceled over the last few years, I've written an editorial arguing that Caprica's cancellation reflects the decreasing sustainability of the cable TV business model. A better, more modern business model could have saved Caprica from cancellation. If this model is adopted in the future, it could save many other similar niche genre shows from the same fate down the road." Another perspective here might be that a boring, ponderous show got yoinked because nobody watched it. Just sayin'.

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Really! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049144)

Zoe Greystone farted in my mouth!!!

Cylons are the niggers of the future!

Prequel, Sequel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049154)

How many spinnoffs does a good SCIFI fan need!!

Re:Prequel, Sequel (4, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049382)

Seven...

A good SciFi fan needs 7 of them.

Here's hoping for Starfleet Academy daytime Soap Opera, and Star-Trek babies!

It could also... (4, Insightful)

NoxNoctis (936876) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049160)

It could also have to do with HUGE break between the first half of the season and the second... Just sayin'

Re:It could also... (1)

Tobenisstinky (853306) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049234)

There was a second season? I stopped watching after S01E08... again they appear to blow their budget on effects rather than story...

Re:It could also... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049340)

No, second half of first season (season 1.5). It's common for new shows to get a short season order (~10 episodes), then if successful, get a full order (~20 episodes). Syfy, in particular, is a fan of doing two half seasons, even for older shows. Eureka is on hiatus in the middle of its fourth season, with 4.5 in production. The second half of Caprica was in fact supposed to start in January 2011, but got moved to now.

Re:It could also... (1)

Tanlis (304135) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049700)

I think established shows like Eureka can weather a mid-season hiatus, but for a show in it's first couple seasons I think it can be quite detrimental to it and cause the viewers to leave and forget.

Re:It could also... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049760)

Eureka finishes a story arch before the mid-season hiatus. So each season is more like 2 half seasons. Plus it's episodic enough that you don't need to know the past story to enjoy an episode.

Re:It could also... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049268)

Technically this is still the first season.

Re:It could also... (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049324)

That's what he said. Try reading that again. And again. Keep reading until you notice the word "Half" after "first."

Re:It could also... (1)

Gotung (571984) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049826)

Yea, they played half a season. Then left a huge break, then out of the blue they announce that two weeks later they will start playing the second half.

Half of their audience lost interest with the huge break. The other half probably didn't even know the show had started up again.

Good thing they canceled this. Now we can get more of those low budget mega-animal monster flicks (mega-pirana, mega-snake, mega-porpoise, oh my!!) and more wrestling on what used to be the Sci-Fi channel.

NBC took a successful niche station and turned it into just one more of the 256245234534 dumbed down TBS wanna-be stations in an effort to appeal to a wider audience. I really don't see SyFy lasting much longer. NBC will probably sell it off at a huge loss in a year or two.

This has all happened before. (4, Funny)

zerosomething (1353609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049164)

Wish they would stop repeating these mistakes

Re:This has all happened before. (5, Interesting)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049242)

I watched BSG religiously (and bitched like fuck after the final episode) but I never watched Caprica - I didn't want to have to watch another series just to have some small parts of the back story filled in, and Caprica didn't interest me as an independent series either.

Plus the BSG writers pretty much blew it for me when they discussed in a podcast during season 2 or 3 that they had no idea that the 'final five' thing was going to become what it did, they just realised that viewers had latched on to it as a mystery and then decided to run with it - the final five were all chosen much later on as well, just before they were revealed, so again the concept that the writers 'had a plan' was blown for me early on.

And it just happened again. (1)

Spinland (1865248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049364)

Thanks for summing up my own stance so nicely. Very into BSG...Caprica not so much (not at all).

Re:This has all happened before. (4, Insightful)

c0d3g33k (102699) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049424)

Same here. The writers lost my respect and interest with their handling of the latter portion of BSG and in particular the finale. As a result I never cared to watch Caprica and actively ignored it. If any sizable portion of the viewership felt the same way, that would account quite well for the lack of viewership.

Re:This has all happened before. (1)

Lil'wombat (233322) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049472)

After the finale, I unequivocally stated that Ron Moore was DEAD TO ME. Caprica got 3 thumbs down on my Tivo and I never saw it. Good riddance.

Re:This has all happened before. (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049496)

Do you have a link to that pod cast? I'd love to know how much the writers had planed out. The first season is the greatest TV I've ever seen, first half of the second season continued that, the second half is where it started to change, and it was only ok. The Third season I dropped shortly after they escaped from the planet. I saw a few commercials for the Fourth season and those lead me to believe that I made the right decision to not pick it up again.

Re:This has all happened before. (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049804)

Hi, sorry no, can't remember which one it was now, but it was one of the Ron Moore ones that went with the episodes.

Re:This has all happened before. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049640)

BSG pretty much killed TV for me, I was so pissed. I did finish LOST, but then picked up a book.

Re:This has all happened before. (3, Insightful)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049720)

    My girlfriend likes Caprica, so I've been passively watching it (and more actively fucking around on my computer). It doesn't have anything resembling a story line I can get into, and there are some rather annoying bits, like modern props and somewhat contemporary (modern to 100 years ago) styling. It wasn't quite so prevalent in BSG, except for that who Gitmo-esque subplot.

    I told my girlfriend, the biggest reason I can't get into it is because I already know how it ends. It's a timeless classic. People build robots. Robots get big, mean and eventually out of control. They fight with the humans. The humans fight back. There's years of pouting where they live on different planets, and then the robots get their revenge. Big explosions, almost everyone dies. Subplots. Subplots. Subplots. The survivors go run off and find another planet, and start over yet again.

    Sorry if I wrapped up Caprica and BSG for any of you to easily.

    The fucked up the ending of BSG, so they have no room to continue it, so they had to do a prequel. Well, unless you consider millions of years of "they lived happily ever after" an adequate time to pick up a sequel. Obviously, the story had a finite beginning and end. It wasn't necessary to try to drag it on.

Re:This has all happened before. (1)

zerosomething (1353609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049810)

But that's how the sausage is made. It's not like a book or a movie, you read it when the author is done. I suppose some TV is all written so the creators know the end before you see the fist show but I doubt most do that. Shows evolve as they wright the episodes. I don't think this is a valid criticism of the show.

Re:This has all happened before. (3, Insightful)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049572)

Wish they would stop repeating these mistakes

I bet it happens with SGU too.
SG-1 and SGA would both still be watchable shows with likable and funny characters, but they cancel those to put up a boring, slow, drama instead.
On that note, one of the few other shows I DVR, Storm Chasers, has turned into a drama as well. I'm sick of watching the chasers bitch about the other chasers and have little interviews like a reality show. Just show the tornadoes and talk about the cool science and vehicles!

Or it could just be the SyFy channel (3, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049176)

Seriously, most of the stuff the show is crap-and-drivel. Caprica seemed better than average there, which is probably why they canceled it, they only want to show garbage. If they get low enough ratings on their "science fiction", then they can switch it to the Wrestling Channel.

Or it could be because of the ending (3, Informative)

anss123 (985305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049320)

Knowing how Caprica is going to end killed all interest for me.

Re:Or it could be because of the ending (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049766)

Knowing how Caprica is going to end killed all interest for me.

Didn't stop Batman Begins and The Dark Knight from being awesome.

Re:Or it could just be the SyFy channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049432)

Caprica was nothing more that drivel and 90% teen-angst. That's why it had a limited audience.

Re:Or it could just be the SyFy channel (4, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049560)

I know that there are folks who enjoy wrestling as much as I enjoy sci-fi/fantasy but never made sense to me that they'd stick them both on the same channel. I don't know if they just needed *any* channel to air it and it was purely economical but I can imagine some exec thinking, "Well, the demographic for sci-fi/fantasy is mainly male. Therefore, they will like wrestling." I recently canceled all but the most basic cable and Internet after realizing that every time I wanted to watch something on sci-fi I found either some idiotic ghost busters reality show or wrestling.

Re:Or it could just be the SyFy channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049762)

Pro wrestling is for women and gay men.

A bunch of guys grabbing each other while wearing next to nothing. Not a straight man's viewing pleasure.

Speaking of wrestling on "Syfy" (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049574)

So, we know wrestling is pretty much scripted, but how many times do I get home to the TiVo to find that the first 15 minutes of a show I recorded have been taken over by a wrestling "overrun". So I can't even watch the show I recorded anyway because the last 10-15 minutes haven't been recorded for me. Then I have to somehow track a rerun down, if they have one.

Some of the shows I record are in the hope the show will get better eventually, I am looking at you Stargate Universe and Sanctuary, so my motivation to track down a full version of the show to watch is minimal anyway. Sure, I could go online, but I like the lean-back mode of watching TV programs.

That has to be killing some of the ratings as well...

Re:Speaking of wrestling on "Syfy" (2, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049780)

Sanctuary is interesting, it's so hit or miss with good/bad. They can do good, just not consistently.

I know what you mean about SGU. This is the Syfy channel, not the Soap Opera With Space Ships channel. I think that's 192 or something.

Re:Or it could just be the SyFy channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049738)

I really don't understand it. The Cable TV model seems like it could provide a near endless supply of niche channels, each providing one thing with limited competition. You want some Sci-Fi? watch the Sci-Fi channel. You want wrestling, watch the wrestling channel. Instead, they seem all drawn to competing with each other on reality shows.

Sci-Fi could probably make plenty of money just showing nothing but Star-Trek and Stargate reruns. No new content means limited expenses, means most of that advertising money and cable-provider fees go straight to their pocket. Sure, "Monster Fish" is cheap to film, but you'd get a bigger audience for less showing "Wrath of Khan"

or its a fine line between gritty and miserable. (2, Interesting)

huiwe (1292974) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049214)

Any chance of a scifi series that isn't dystopian? Its old, its boring and it shows no imagination. Time to cheer up.

Re:or its a fine line between gritty and miserable (1)

wlad (1171323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049458)

Well, the old scifi series such as Star Trek were utopian instead of dystopian. I think it's more like a sign of the times that everything on the future is dystopian these days. Not even suspension of disbelief can help people imagine a future where things turn out good for everyone, anymore.

Re:or its a fine line between gritty and miserable (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049670)

Maybe. Star Trek as Federation Propaganda is a fun thought process.

Re:or its a fine line between gritty and miserable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049530)

Right, good luck with that. One of the most important things the future will bring is biotech, esp. life extension and rejuvenation. It's happening whether we want it or not. But try to discuss life extension with supposedly forward-thinking people like on tech sites, and watch the knee-jerk fear and conservatism. The same people who have no problem giving birth in hospitals, living in climate-controlled homes with fridges full of food and driving around in technological cocoons suddenly think life-extension is "unnatural"... Hysterical.

Re:or its a fine line between gritty and miserable (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049626)

It's called Star Trek. We've both been there, and done that. The major problem is that if the future is a shiny, happy place where everyone gets along, you don't really have a show. Plot is driven by conflict. You need some form of antagonist, which means a true utopian setting is fraking boring. That's why even Star Trek had unreasonably belligerent species like the Klingons, Romulans, etc. Man vs. Environment doesn't make for a good TV series, and Man vs. Self isn't good for ensemble casts and protracted plotlines. So, that leaves Man. vs. Man, so, fighting and dystopia it is.

I tried to like it. I really did. (4, Insightful)

cblguy2 (1796986) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049216)

But like the summary says, it turned in to a boring show where they tried character development, but it just fell on its face. It was just about at the level of a plain drama with a little peppering of sci-fi.

Now SyFy shows wrestling on Friday nights. I won't say that's better than Caprica, but it must be paying the bills...

Instead of relaxing like I've done for the last 10+ years - watching SciFi channel on Friday nights (where did GvsE, Lexx, Brimstone, Dresden Files, Farscape, etc go?), I'm now doing other things with my Fridays... I'm not going to watch wrestling. Talk about fiction!

Re:I tried to like it. I really did. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049338)

Agreed. I tried too. There was too much going on and not enough depth.

And the Adama family participating in the creation of "cylons" was a forceful idea from the beginning. And I quote cylons, because I could not establish it was possible to be the same race of cylons portrait in BSG. Since the events of caprica happened 50 years before BSG events.

Re:I tried to like it. I really did. (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049794)

Apparently you never really watched/understood BSG. There are two races of cylons. One is the race that is created in Caprica (the black robots), the other are the "old" cylons from the planet in the final episode (that mimic humans).

And.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049232)

Nothing of value was lost.

Seriously, this series was even poorer than BSG.

It's no wonder... (1, Insightful)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049236)

It didn't help that the show is slow and plodding, and not one of the characters is likable. Where's the lovable characters that just make bad decisions. Instead everyone is lying to everyone else, the story seems to be stuck in the mud and we know that in the end it doesn't matter, as Caprica gets nuked anyway!

Re:It's no wonder... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049368)

Agreed. When they announced it I said, hey, this might work, as watching all of BSG made me interested in the events leading up to it, namely the destruction of the colonies and the cylon wars. Instead, we get a BSG prequel that not only has little to do with BSg, is hardly even sci-fi. It's quite possibly the lamest soap opera ever. there was nothing to keep me watching, 3 episodes and I was done.

It's boring simple as that, and telling me to watch wrestling instead just shows that you already know the show was lame, but feel the need to justify watching it. I don't, it sucked, shouldn't have even stayed on this long I'll give you an episode or two to form a backstory, and develop the characters. When I'm 3 episodes in and you still haven't developed a real back story, and haven't made any of the characters likable for me.

If I want long boring drawn out sci-fi I'll watch shows from the BBC.

How is syfy successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049240)

It seems a travesty that the company is even in business. Besides bsg and caprica they had nothing. Very stupid ghost shows and horrible movies. Not bad movies, but horrible. Not campy b-list, but stupid scripts with stupid actors and stupid plots. They even ruined Bruce Campbell in that horrible movie I can't even remember. I just don't get it.

Re:How is syfy successful (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049390)

Haven was pretty good this season. I still watch Stargate Universe, but it's a slog. Sanctuary sometimes has some interesting plots that are often implemented poorly.

Re:How is syfy successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049768)

SGU was good until they aired out of sequence and had a multi-month gap between fresh content.

Paypal programmer can run NBC? (4, Insightful)

roothog (635998) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049246)

Subby's a moron. His blog starts out: "Suppose for a moment that I had been CEO of NBC Universal at the time Caprica was picked up in 2008. If I had been CEO at that time, then Caprica would not have been canceled during its first season two years later because it would have been one of the many thriving, profitable properties owned by NBC Universal."

You personally would have managed NBC better than NBC itself? According to your blog, you're a web programmer at Paypal. Maybe you need to check that ego and realize that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Why does Slashdot link to this crap?

Re:Paypal programmer can run NBC? (4, Insightful)

kcitren (72383) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049386)

His solution is to give the shows away for free, without any restrictions, with minimal advertising before and after the show, and all money being made my merchandizing? Sorry, but that just won't work. What advertiser is going to buy into this model? Plus, I'm a pretty big fan of a couple TV series, have a decent income, and I don't own any merchandise from any other those shows. Selling T-shirts will help a band stay on the road, but it won't help a million+ dollar a week enterprise.

Re:Paypal programmer can run NBC? (1, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049814)

His solution is to give the shows away for free, without any restrictions, with minimal advertising before and after the show, and all money being made my merchandizing? Sorry, but that just won't work.

That's pretty much what I thought when I read TFA.

It's pure drivel, and it would do nothing to create better shows and keep them on the air. Other than giving it away DRM free, I'm not sure of WTF it would accomplish.

You want to know how to make better shows? Copy what HBO is doing -- make good programming, with good scripts and not pandering to the "prime time" audience or worrying about adult-themed content. Wait for the other networks to want to syndicate your critically acclaimed show. Watch the money roll in, and use some of that to bankroll more good shows.

I think a pretty good chunk of the really good TV I remember from the last decade is attributable to HBO. And, even the stuff I didn't/don't watch I've likely heard of.

As to the quality of BSG, can't say. Never got into the show; not even a little. I remember the original series, and, frankly, I didn't care enough to care.

He probably could have (2, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049516)

A lack of cocaine and an ability to determine which shoe goes on which foot in the morning may be the edge required to be a better manager than the CEO of NBC. The "rock star" MBA CEO type may be entertaining but they are very rarely effective.

Overpaid and incompetent upper-class (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049256)

The real problem here is the corruption of business. Greedy selfish people give senior jobs to friends, family and associates not based on skills but rather to "scratch backs". There's so much of this evil bullshit going on, that most of organizations are now composed of selfish spoiled incompetent and uncaring managers. It's no wonder that most businesses provide crappy products and services. If there was any real competition, most big businesses would fail. Face it, the world is in decline due to the degeneracy and over-affluence of the upper-class

Re:Overpaid and incompetent upper-class (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049808)

the world is in decline due to the degeneracy and over-affluence of the upper-class

True, but you have to include the indifference and ignorance of the lower and middle classes as reasons for said decline.

I think Taco is correct (1, Interesting)

jamesoutlaw (87295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049274)

"Another perspective here might be that a boring, ponderous show got yoinked because nobody watched it. Just sayin'"

I tend to agree. I gave "Caprica" a chance, but the story was not compelling enough to hold my interest. I gave up after the first part of the first season and never bothered with trying to watch any of the newer episodes. I keep thinking of the line from the 'reimagined' BSG "The Cylons Have a Plan" ... but the writers don't.

Re:I think Taco is correct (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049366)

Yes. The first several shows are on HULU and I just couldn't get into it. It's one thing to build a story arch but it's another boring you to death doing it.

Re:I think Taco is correct (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049446)

I keep thinking of the line from the 'reimagined' BSG "The Cylons Have a Plan" ... but the writers don't.

Hahaha, pretty much. I never got over the fact that the Cylon master Plan was... "one of them is mean", so he's being hurful because he's mean. That's all there is to all of the cylon armada's cryptic behavior, just wanting to be hurtful. Pathetic 'writing', that.

Re:I think Taco is correct (1)

malakai (136531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049568)

I'm with this viewpoint. I tried, but I found myself wanting to fast-forward past the dialogue. I didn't like any of the characters and rather looked forward to all of Caprica getting nuked. Not a good premise for a show. I find the whole 'prequel' concept a non-starter. Unless you go back and start a new timeline or a new plot that won't end with the original series start point.

Next show I expect to see canceled is Stargate Universe. I find myself fast-forwarding through about 50% of that show. It's predictable and has too many 'flash-back' and 'flash-to-dream'. Not to mention, at this point, Deus Ex Machania. The ship will be able to do _anything_ and it will end up doing _everything_ they need, just in time.

Re:I think Taco is correct (1)

jamesoutlaw (87295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049630)

haha, I made it through 1.5 episodes of SGU before giving up.... maybe I'm too old for these kinds of shows now. hmmm. hahaha!

Didn't Like It (1)

artgeeq (969931) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049280)

I found the first season to be really boring and when one summarizes the plot, I think that might become clear. I found the second to be unrelentingly depressing since not a single character had any substantial redeeming qualities.

Re:Didn't Like It (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049312)

There was only one season, they just had a really long mid season break.

Re:Didn't Like It (1)

jamesoutlaw (87295) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049444)

oh, yeah.. I knew that. :) It's one of the other things that was annoying about the show (and the network). By the time the second half started airing, I'd pretty much forgotten what had happened in the first half.

Better, original stories and top-notch effects (3, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049308)

My opinion is that spin-off storylines and crappy effects can hurt viewership more than the cable business model. Reality shows and sequel/prequels are no substitute for a good, original story with good writers and actors. (and certainly not wrestling on a sci-fi? channel)
Look at 'The Sopranos' 'Mad Men' or 'Battlestar Galactica' if you need proof that cable shows can be huge if done right.

I LOVED BSG (1)

NiteShaed (315799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049342)

and when I originally head about a spinoff, I was thinking "Great, the Cylon war!". It seemed like it'd be a home-run, start with the launch of Galactica, and you've got potentially years worth of adventures, and plenty of opportunities for great combat scenes in a setting that already proved that people would like it. Then I heard about Caprica, and I was confused. Then I actually watched Caprica, and I was even more confused. Oh, not by the story, it was easy enough to follow, but by the fact that they thought it was a good idea. Forget about the plot holes that were big enough to fly Pegasus through, the story itself just seemed like it was targeted at a completely different audience than BSG was.
I tried to get into it, but after a while, I just found hitting play on the DVR was a chore, not something to look forward to, so I gave up on it. As for it getting canceled, I'd probably have never noticed if I didn't read about it on slashdot.

Re:I LOVED BSG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049474)

Who thought Caprica was a good idea? God, probably. God said it had to happen, so it happened. You don't need any more information than that.

Interesting Timing (1)

Glenstorm (117502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049360)

I just "canceled" it from my Hulu queue. There were a number of reasons for me but the top three are:
The show was way too slow for me.
It felt more like a corporate drama than a sci-fi story. The only thing sci-fi about it was that it happens in the future. I'll admit it I am a simpleton. I want my sci-fi to have lazors and space battles or dragons and wizards.
That long break between seasons mentioned above didn't help.

Re:Interesting Timing (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049436)

Actually, it happens in the past. BSG was also in the past. Hope I didn't spoil it for you.

A fan when it was scifi, not syfy (1, Insightful)

chtank (83512) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049362)

In case you have not noticed, it seems that the syfy channel is showing anything but science fiction and made the switch quite some time ago. I really believe that the producers have no idea what scinece fiction really is or who the classic scifi authors might be.

Re:A fan when it was scifi, not syfy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049774)

You're wrongfully assuming that the script writers actually read anything sci-fi.

After the BSG finale: No more galactica for me (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049372)

After the Battlestar Galactica finale proved that the writers had no plan except to pull a gigantic deus ex machina to resolve all their lose threads, I have lost interest in the franchise.

And the retconning... the horrible retconning... They fooled me once, I'm not giving them another chance.

Re:After the BSG finale: No more galactica for me (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049508)

The bit that stuck in my craw was when Cavil went off on his monologue about how humanity needed to be punished for what they did to his ancestors (the chrome cylons created in the colonies) but only a few episodes previously he had taken great delight in subjugating the Raiders and the new Centurions - how did the original cylons like this? Plot hole?

Good (1)

s-whs (959229) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049404)

"The sci-fi TV series Caprica, a prequel spinoff from Battlestar Galactica, was just canceled by the Syfy channel. In response to the cancellation and the recent theme of many similar good sci-fi shows

What do you mean 'good sci-fi shows'? Caprica's pilot was good although ended poorly, then it went downhill fast with mafia type rubbish, and just crap like some woman being married to someone 20 years younger or something like that and more rubbish, and this being some sort of lifestyle. Sci-fi? I vaguely recall seeing her or someone looking like her in another crap series, Rome. Perhaps it wasn't her, but she has the face for this sort of situation. Why you may ask? Because actors are chosen for certain parts, how they look, etc., so for a series with lots of soapy drama, people with soapy drama faces get chosen.

Take Stargate universe. Before the first episode came on TV (or PC) I read somewhere it would have more drama. I watched the first episode, saw them coming through the stargate on the ship far away, and it was going so slowly (pauses between one, and the next coming through) with such camera work, that I said to myself "they were right, it IS more drama. Also, the faces of the actors told me enough, esp. one of the women (Chloe?), damn, that's just straight "as the world turns" material.

Please cancel stargate universe or put in a daytime slot and say it's a soap opera. It's not sci-fi, it's interesting/good drama, it's just boring, pathetic soap opera rubbish.

So, to get back on topic: I disagre with the statement from the poster about quality sci-fi getting cancelled, at least in these cases :)

It was boring, and then it went away (1)

Punto (100573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049408)

after like 10 episodes it disappeared, and when it came back I had forgotten about it. the did that with BSG, but BSG had a lot of hype going for it, Caprica didn't. The only thing in the show that promised to be interesting (Tamara Adama in crazy virtual gangster world) turned out to be a waste of time storyline, so who cares?

Except Caprica wasn't Sci-Fi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049420)

Caprica was a teenage drama about a stupid teenage girl in a robot body.

When I started watching Caprica, I was excited to see something chronicling the origins of the cylons. Is that what I got? Nope.

I got hannah montana with robots.

Good riddance (1)

emt377 (610337) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049426)

While the story line was arcing, the script was really garbage. The characters were so cliche and overdone it was cringe worthy. It was visually dull. Uneventful. Uninteresting. Meaningless. Meh.

Failed Sustainability of the Cable Model? (2, Insightful)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049468)

Failed Sustainability of the Cable Model?

How about the failed sustainability of a bad spin-off of a great series?

Re:Failed Sustainability of the Cable Model? (1)

LateArthurDent (1403947) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049820)

Failed Sustainability of the Cable Model?

How about the failed sustainability of a bad spin-off of a great series?

Eh. More like the failed sustainability of the spin-off of a series that pissed everyone off with its horrible ending. I followed Galactica religiously right up until the last episode. Then I regretted having wasted so much time on it, and sure as hell wasn't willing to give Caprica a chance.

Building up the story to make ever more interesting episodes is only a good thing if you actually know how you're going to wrap it all up ahead of time. Leaving it up to the writers to come up with an explanation that ties everything together at the last minute will inevitably result in crap that cheapens the entire series.

No great loss (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049482)

No great loss.. obviously there was some mileage in a backstory about the origin of the Cylons, but not a whole series. Incidentally, if you're in the UK then you've only seen the first 9 episodes of 13.. the remainder should be on in the New Year.

The endings of BSG and Lost are partially to blame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049500)

I think another partial reason for the lack of ratings is that a large segment of the target audience recently got burned by the endings of two popular shows. The final seasons and series finales of both BSG and Lost might have been emotionally satisfying from a character standpoint, but from a plot perspective, they both proved that the writers were simply making it up as they went along. (The ending of BSG made the entire history and culture of the Colonies pretty much pointless as well, but that's a whole other issue.) None of the new genre "mystery" shows, weather it be Caprica, The Event, or Rubicon, are doing all that well in the ratings. Granted, not all of them are amazing shows in their own right, but I think part of it is that viewers simply aren't willing to invest in a "mystery" show when the writers have proven time and time again that they won't actually deliver a consistent answer when it comes to the "mystery" aspect of the show.

Re:The endings of BSG and Lost are partially to bl (1)

emt377 (610337) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049646)

None of the new genre "mystery" shows, weather it be Caprica, The Event, or Rubicon, are doing all that well in the ratings. Granted, not all of them are amazing shows in their own right, but I think part of it is that viewers simply aren't willing to invest in a "mystery" show when the writers have proven time and time again that they won't actually deliver a consistent answer when it comes to the "mystery" aspect of the show.

Mystery? What mystery?! I don't recall a single mystery in Caprica, it was more like straight-up chronicling. If there was some mystery, even a little, it might have had non-zero interest. It was just so cliche and predictable it couldn't die soon enough.

and this is why it sucked (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049502)

one whole season and they still had only one cylon
the whole idea of making a human mind out of essentially a google search sounds extremely stupid
no leading character. was it supposed to be adama or the kid from breakfast club?
too much emphasis on the side story inside the computer

story moved way too slow. with the big risk they took they didn't have time to build the story over a few seasons, they needed to get to the point fast and explore in future seasons

art is business first

Re:and this is why it sucked (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049684)

> the whole idea of making a human mind out of essentially a google search sounds extremely stupid

This!

Also, he was in Some Kind of Wonderful, not Breakfast Club

Screw "SyFi" or whatever they call themselves. (4, Insightful)

The Breeze (140484) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049566)

Caprica wasn't bad. Wasn't the best thing on TV, but wasn't bad. But, much like BSG, SyFY didn't know what to do with it and tried to milk it for all it was worth and killed it in the process.

Stupid, stupid stunts like calling NINE SHOWS a "season" and postponing new shows for almost a YEAR. Who can follow a complicated story arc after that?

And horrible, horrible publicity. In 1978, many people enjoyed the Cylon ride at Universal Studios. Although there were a few billboards and a window painting in Hollywood during BSG 2003's last season, and the Vanity Fair spread was a nice touch, often it seemed that BSG was the bastard child of Universal. Even though BSG was owned by Universal, there was NO promotion of BSG when I went to Universal Studios during season 4! A golden opportunity to promote a show in a venue that people from all over the country visit, and there was NOTHING for BSG except in a privately owned comic store on the Citywalk. Lousy, lousy promotion. Yet disposable crap like the "Mutant Shark of the Week" or whatever is everywhere.

It is obvious that SyFy has no clue whatsoever what to do when it somehow stumbles on decent programming. Even as the critics were raving about BSG being "the best thing on TV" Universal/SciFi did not know how to pitch it, nor did they seem to want to try.

Enough. I'm through. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049586)

From now on, unless they finish the damn series, I'm not even watching the first episode. I'll catch them all if and when it's over.

This is slashdot (5, Funny)

frozentier (1542099) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049590)

Somehow this has to have something to do with Windows sucking, Steve Jobs being a vampire, or a Linux kernel update.

Well I liked it. (5, Insightful)

aapold (753705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049594)

Yes, it was flawed. I liked it in spite of that, perhaps even for some of those flaws. Yes, it could frustrating, yes, much of the characters were not likeable or identifyable (no "everyman" character). But it was trying to do something, really, it was. The acting and production values were top-notch, and they really did delve into all manner of interesting topics for debate, from morality to philosophy to the nature of humanity. And we just got one payoff this week, a nice action sequence with a cylon followed by an iconic phrase ("by your command") at the end. I guess we can re-edit that scene to be syfy headquarters. I'll miss caprica. It was the last reason I had to tune into the pathetic shell that occupies what was once the Sci-fi channel.

I feel the same way about Firefly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049600)

I feel the same way about Firefly.

Why is this bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049636)

It is just a soap opera with robots.

Themes too mature (0, Offtopic)

Exp315 (851386) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049642)

This is sad news. I thought Caprica was even better than BSG, one of the best new SF-themed shows. Compare this to major network drivel like "No Ordinary Family", a cartoon remake.

My own opinion is that the themes in the show were too mature. They were aimed at viewers over the age of 12. Future writers are probably learning that lesson.

Meh (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049676)

A boring series that nobody watched got cancelled. Big deal.

All his nonsense about the non-sustainability of the cable television model is bunk, too; SyFy's shows were available on iTunes before NBC pulled them; that didn't really change much. That's the point, anyhow, that the fact that a show was produced for cable doesn't preclude it from showing up on iTunes, Hulu, Netflix, etc.

Nooooo!!!!!!! (1)

Fartypants (120104) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049692)

Aaargh!!! Oh, the anguish of being a fan of slow-moving sporadically entertaining cerebral sci-fi!!

I do believe the show had hope, but it certainly suffered from the same problems that affect almost all long-story-arc television these days: 1) the producers don't know how many years they are going to have to tell the story going into the project. (In LOST, for example, this resulted in a good 2-3 seasons of 'filler material' during which the show became so convoluted that basically everybody stopped caring enough to try to understand it. 2) the shows don't provide any resolution of major plot points on a season-by-season level. 24, of course, is the best example of a program doing this well. Every season there is resolution of the main plot. Mad Men also, has a separate central theme for each season which is fully explored and then discarded by the next season. Caprica didn't have that. It just sort of slowly ground on, and given the producers had no idea how long it was supposed to go on for, it's difficult to bring major plot points to satisfying conclusions in a timely enough schedule to keep audiences satisfied.

But I, for one, was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... Oh well, now I guess I'll have to turn all my attention to the new Sherlock Holmes on PBS. Go Sherlock! (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html)

Good riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34049736)

And what was the point, anyway? Supposedly there were only a limited number of different models, so how come none of the original actors appeared in the series?

There was a BSG sequel? (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049782)

I used to watch SciFi Channel nearly all the time, but when all the psychic and ghostbuster wannabe shows started popping up I spent less and less time watching the channel. I made it through the first 2 seasons of BSG but then lost interest and since changing providers almost 2 years ago I still couldnt even tell you what channel # its on. Anyone remember SciFi friday? All evening it was good sci fi programming what in the hell made them loose focus on something that at least based on those around me had to be doing at least ok. Oh well at least there is still BBC America.

Not a problem with viewership (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049786)

The problem was the show. It just wasn't that good. It was OK. But the ONLY reason it was OK was because there is no other good Sci-Fi on TV except Stargate Universe, and even that isn't great.

Gone are the days of good sci-fi shows that are light and fun to watch while still invoking that sense of wonder and inspiration that lets you detach from the present world and wish you were part of this future or alternate world. Stargate Universe and Caprica are perfect examples. They eschew the fun parts of sci-fi for what production studios and writers deem as a necessary foray into the "drama" or "darker" side of things, when all we want are good shows like the sci-fi classics yesterday such as Stargate SG-1, Star Trek TNG or DS9 (or even Voyager!), or Babylon 5. The difference is all those shows DID have a "dark" side, but it was kept separate from the feel-good parts of the show. The parts of shows that made people say "wow, if this is how the future is going to be I can look forward to it!". Most of the sci-fi around now makes you go "ugh" because it just isn't fun to watch.

I miss good sci-fi. And I am willing to bet a lot of others do too, especially based on the cancellation rate of sci-fi shows and the fact that the big networks just won't pickup a big sci-fi show anymore. Thing is, if someone would just stop this whole move into "drama" for the sci-fi genre, I think the viewers would come back in droves.

Nothing to do with business model (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 3 years ago | (#34049824)

The show was stupid. It was cancelled because it sucked. Poor attempt to piggyback on the popularity of a great show (BSG). Don't overanalyze this or try to glean any special insights. Bad show sucks, aired on bad network, is cancelled. The end.

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