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Ozzy Osbourne's Genome Reveals Some Neanderthal Lineage

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the born-to-rock dept.

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ByOhTek writes "CNN reports that in July, rocker Ozzy Osbourne became one of few to submit his blood to have his full genome sequenced and analyzed. The results are in, and it turns out his genome reveals some Neanderthal lineage. What does Ozzie have to say about it? 'I was curious, given the swimming pools of booze I've guzzled over the years - not to mention all of the cocaine, morphine, sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol... there's really no plausible medical reason why I should still be alive. Maybe my DNA could say why,' he wrote."

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Bah (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067518)


Ozzy's DNA: GACCTAACGATGCTAGC...

Lemmy's DNA: GODGODGODGOD...

Re:Bah (2, Funny)

vandelais (164490) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068690)

Ozzy's DNA is more like:

actgactacgactg

i-i-i

acggactatacccagg

i-i-i

caccttgaggca

Rich (5, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067556)

Ozzy, this isn't hard to figure out. You're alive because you're rich. You can afford a comfortable lifestyle as well as medical treatment when you need it.

Now, please stop fighting with Iommi and make another Black Sabbath album already.

Re:Rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067698)

Rich or not, he's put a lot of harmful shit in his body. "You're alive because you're lucky" would be a better response.

Re:Rich (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067880)

"You're alive because you're lucky" would be a better response.

He already pointed out that he is rich.

Re:Rich (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067902)

Other people who put shit in their bodies for decades end up on the street. Not only is Ozzy rich, his wife is also his manager, so he has a babysitter and a record label who will always make sure he's taken care of.

Re:Rich (2, Insightful)

Altus (1034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067976)

Do we really need to list all of the super rich musicians who have died from putting really dangerous stuff in their blood streams?

Being rich does not save you from an overdose. It might improve your odds of not ODing but it still happens to plenty of wealthy people. The ones that it doesn't happen to are lucky... or perhaps they actually have some pre-disposition to surviving heavy drug use.

Re:Rich (2, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068100)

It's completely logical and obvious that a druggie who is rich is more likely to survive than a druggie who is not. Ozzy's big vice, especially in the 80s, was alcohol, but unlike most alcoholics, he could afford to be one and afford the treatment to become sober.

People are apparently attaching themselves to the cute idea that Ozzy is genetically special because he survived his drug abuse. I don't know if you've seen him, but he has clearly suffered long-term effects that would hamper the lives of non-celebrities.

Sharon Osbourne, his wife and manager, is a very, very shrewd business person. She's the kind of person who actually re-recorded drum and bass tracks on Ozzy's early solo albums in order to avoid paying those musicians. This, like everything else about Ozzy, is a publicity stunt to get people talking about Ozzy and buy his recent album and his autobiography. He's not some mutant superhuman.

He's not some mutant superhuman. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068148)

He's going off the rails on a crazy train!

Re:Rich (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068242)

He's not some mutant superhuman.

Of course not, hes a Neanderthal!!

Re:Rich (2, Insightful)

rhyder128k (1051042) | more than 3 years ago | (#34070210)

"I was curious, given the swimming pools of booze I've guzzled over the years - not to mention all of the cocaine, morphine, sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol... there's really no plausible medical reason why I should still be alive."

Is it because I'm in my 30s or because I'm a nerd or both that makes me think, "loser" when I read that?

SHAAAARRON!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068400)

An' he goes "*Put* *JESUS* {*in* *FRONT* *o'* *ya!*"} an' they all start *jumpin'* on me--it's 'cause {he's their--} [AUDIENCE laughing] an' *I* was thinkin', "My *god*, what's goin' on? {He's come to just--}" *All* these, *all* these people that were strategically, on {their, plan of}--*attacking* me, on {either side, turns into a Rambo}--starts *flyin'* through, over the *walls* {that I'm tryin' to ? An' I think} I'm goin', "*Larry!* *Don't*--*Don't* *KILL!* We don't *kill* today!"

Re:Rich (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068796)

harmful? Cough syrup? Morphine? Cocaine? Probably the most harmful stuff he's consumed is alcohol and tobacco, and he's no more or less lucky than any other consumers of those particular drugs.

Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

guantamanera (751262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067942)

Maybe the higher quality drug don't kill. This guy has monies he was able to buy the good stuff pure and unfornicated coke. I can only imagine someone shooting crappy stuff with bits of trash in it. Another good example is Keith Richards.

Ozzy, this isn't hard to figure out. You're alive because you're rich. You can afford a comfortable lifestyle as well as medical treatment when you need it.

Now, please stop fighting with Iommi and make another Black Sabbath album already.

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067994)

So you cite Keith Richards and Ozzy Osborne and just ignore any of the wealthy musicians who have access to high quality drugs who have still managed to kill themselves?

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

guantamanera (751262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068030)

I just said Maybe is just a hypothesis I didn't say it was a fact plus those are the only 2 musicians I could think of that have lived a lifetime of drug abuse.

So you cite Keith Richards and Ozzy Osborne and just ignore any of the wealthy musicians who have access to high quality drugs who have still managed to kill themselves?

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068114)

those are the only 2 musicians I could think of that have lived a lifetime of drug abuse.

Musicians that abuse drugs aren't exactly rare.

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068466)

Only users lose drugs!

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

yodleboy (982200) | more than 3 years ago | (#34070094)

Musicians that abuse them for decades and are still alive are rather more rare.

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068514)

Your hypothesis doesn't even last 5 min...... Stop trying.... :/

Re:Money buys good quality drugs. (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068206)

Of course with your selected dataset we can come to the conclusion that rampant drug use definitely has a very large impact on one's ability to speak clearly.....

Re:Rich (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068282)

Not to be a pain, but doesn't this situation also describe Elvis and Michael Jackson?

Ozzy, for all his wealth, came out of it with being able to get decently clean*, decently healthy, decently sane, etc... That's actually a fair bit of luck and probably good genes.

*I'm not about to suggest that he doesn't still use recreational drugs, whether they be legal, illegal, or prescribed.

Re:Rich (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068430)

Ronnie James Dio is dead. I wouldn't count on ever seeing a real Black Sabbath album again. :(

Re:Rich (2, Funny)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068908)

That's possibly one of the most blatant troll attempts in history, right up there with the people who think that Roger Moore is the real James Bond.

Re:Rich (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068508)

Now, please stop fighting with Iommi and make another Black Sabbath album already.

I can't figure out why Iommi and Butler would even want to bother with this burnt out shell of a rock star? That last album they did with the late great Ronnie James Dio outshone anything Ozzy's done since the early 1980s. I know Ozzy (or more properly than nasty piece of work Sharon Osbourne) somehow have managed to mount some sort of litigation over the use of Black Sabbath (despite the fact that they tossed Ozzy's drunken stoned-out ass out the door three decades ago), but come on, they don't need Ozzy. Find a new vocalist, Butler can keep writing the lyrics, and they can call themselves Dog Shit and they'll sound better than Ozzy.

Wasn't there a study... (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067592)

In 2010 that suggested that somewhere around 1-4% of everyone's DNA is Neanderthal ish?

Re:Wasn't there a study... (2, Funny)

elsurexiste (1758620) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067670)

In 2010 that suggested that somewhere around 1-4% of everyone's DNA is Neanderthal ish?

My cousin must have a decent 20% or 30% percent. It's the only explanation I've got for some of the things he does.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068416)

My cousin must have a decent 20% or 30% percent. It's the only explanation I've got for some of the things he does.

Everyone seems to have that "cousin." I wonder if it's the same one?

Re:Wasn't there a study... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067878)

A link to the study [bit.ly]

Re:Wasn't there a study... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34069126)

That's a Goatse. I hate whoever invented those link shortening things.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068034)

I don't see how Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalis could interbreed & produce viable children. Wouldn't it be like breeding a horse and donkey (which produces a sterile mule)??

Re:Wasn't there a study... (5, Informative)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068204)

The way I've always understood the classification is that we're Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and they were Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis, meaning they were a different subspecies, not genetically different enough to prohibit interbreeding.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1, Funny)

Sperbels (1008585) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068752)

Logic fail. The classification has nothing to do with whether or not they could have interbred. How would they know? Neanderthals were classified in 1800's.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (2, Informative)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068970)

The species level is intended to be roughly the level of genetic similarity where animals breed true. So if we classify them as a subspecies, our *best guess* is that we'd breed true with them.

Furthermore, this has evidently been an ongoing debate in the scientific community (I was operating from memory of college anthropology earlier, but I went and did a little poking around just now), and the school that classifies them as Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis is absolutely saying that interbreeding is possible.

And the presence of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans seems to suggest they are right.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

belthize (990217) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068212)

Interspecific (two different species) are very often but not always sterile. If it is indeed the case that homo sapiens contain Neanderhal DNA than either they're not really different species or they're one of the 'not often' case of interspecies cross breeding.

I'm not entirely sure why Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals wouldn't be considered subspecies of the same species rather than distinct species anyway so it's not surprising offspring aren't sterile.

And sure enough according to Wikipedia (which is by definition now never wrong), Neanderthals are considered a subspecies of modern human (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis).

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

citylivin (1250770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068626)

Look around you! So many eurasian peoples have pronounced brow ridges, deep or wide eyes, large noses, etc... There are people out there who "look" completely Neanderthal! How can you explain that if we didnt at one point cross breed?

Even the idea of good and evil can be theoretically traced to an ingrained concept of "us" and
"them". All the evidence seems to point to us and them living at the same time, most likely interbreeding.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34069902)

How can you explain that if we didnt at one point cross breed?

Convergent evolution. Not that I doubt the latest conclusions indicating that there was some cross breeding, but you asked how one would explain it otherwise. You'd be amazed at some of the examples of distant species winding up looking very similar (see, for instance, the elephant shrew, which is more closely related to the elephant than other shrews).

Presumably there was some selection pressure that lead to those features you mention in neanderthals - it would not be at all surprising if some humans in some regions found themselves under similar selection pressures.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068852)

The ability to interbreed and produce viable offspring has nothing to do with their classifications. Go read up on it at Think Origin.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34069820)

I don't see how Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalis could interbreed & produce viable children.

You're right, you need a man and a woman to produce children.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068084)

That's alright, I thought it said "Netherland lineage."

I was trying to figure out what the Netherlander peoples had that made them long living and resilient.

Re:Wasn't there a study... (1)

pieterh (196118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069964)

I am not a geneticist and if I was, I am not your geneticist and this is not genetic advice. Having said that...

That 1-4% would be everyone of European and Asian descent, i.e. that small fraction of humanity that left Africa around 50K (iirc) years ago and took over the rest of the world from the previous model of human. Africans don't have Neanderthal genes, except introduced over the last hundreds of years by foreigners, making them more modern (take that, white supremacists) and further have a significantly more diverse gene pool which has consequences for things like gene regulation, which has a lot more bugs in the Eurasian lines. We pale skins get sick from things that our African kin don't. Presumably whatever Neanderthal genes we kept weren't random but were useful for things like cold climates.

Wait.... (5, Funny)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067616)

So in Ozzy-logic, you're better at surviving because you have Neanderthal DNA? The Neanderthals would likely disagree.... if they could ;)

Re:Wait.... (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067754)

Actually, it only says something about survivability when they were alive. This is an entirely different world so we really know nothing about their survivability in today's world; rock star or not.

Re:Wait.... (1)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067800)

Sure, and honestly, we don't even know they had much less survivability in their time. Might have been luck. Just seemed like an amusing irony to me on the surface.

Re:Wait.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068662)

actually we're pretty sure it was because they had significantly higher calorie needs than modern human, almost double in fact. they were nearly as smart and physically stronger, but ice ages and high calories don't mix well.

Re:Wait.... (1)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069142)

I wouldn't want to pretend I could answer this without a cursory look around, but it doesn't appear as cut and dry as you say. First, double the calorie intake seems absurd on its face, and the figure listed on wikipedia is a more reasonable sounding 100-350 calories. Second, it doesn't sound like it's as simple as it being an ice age. Evidently they're physically well suited to the cold, but might have run into other problems with fluctuating climate. And finally, we get to the theory I had always heard, which was that they either came into conflict with modern humans and were driven to extinction or were absorbed into human social groups. Presence of Neanderthal DNA in modern Europeans and Asians seems to lend credence to the absorption theory.

As for my comment about luck, my understanding is that humans came awfully close to extinction at a point in our history too. Might be that if things had gone ever so slightly differently for the Neanderthals, they could have pulled through. Or if things had gone differently for us, we might not be here.

There's my limited understanding at any rate

Re:Wait.... (4, Funny)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067888)

Clearly we do. The Neanderthals were clearly all Dark Prince rock gods. Oh to live in times such as those...

Re:Wait.... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069120)

The Neanderthals were clearly all Dark Prince rock gods. Oh to live in times such as those...

I thought I saw lighters on the walls at Lascaux.

Labcoat-Samarai-Logic ???? (0, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067778)

"So in Ozzy-logic, you're better at surviving because you have Neanderthal DNA? The Neanderthals would likely disagree.... if they could ;)"

Ozzy offered the reason why he submitted his DNA for testing. Clearly at that time he was not aware of the results. It is quite ironic that you question his logic when you clearly failed to apply a modicum of it yourself.

Re:Labcoat-Samarai-Logic ???? (0)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067988)

Ouch, tough crowd. Well I hate to argue over something I was meaning as a witty jibe at best..... but yes, I was aware of that, but the article implies he said it after the fact, so it's a fair extrapolation in absence of further contradiction that he sees this as an answer. It wasn't "I thought I might have something special in my DNA, but then it turned out it was Neanderthal, so I was wrong".

Sure, it's speculation, but it kinda ruins the quip to put a ton of disclaimers on it. Oh well, perils of going for funny.

Re:Wait.... (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068372)

Well, they did survive, obviously. It was only crappy selective breeding over the following centuries that made the neanderthal genes less dominant. Damned the invention of agriculture and the idea of cities and civilization.

    At least we know live DNA still exists, so it could be possible through selective breeding, to resurrect the species. We've theorized it could be done for woolly mammoths, why not with viable DNA. It's quite likely that there are some folks with a larger percentage of the DNA.

    Now that brings up another question. Would those with trace or significant percentages of neanderthal DNA be considered any more or less human? We only just came out of that recently (in the span of human civilization), where most of us recognize that a human is still human, regardless of nation of origin, skin and hair coloration, or gender.

    For the historical value, I'd love to know. For the future possibilities, I wouldn't ever want such testing done. Since we don't know who's on which side, you don't know who the leading species would be.

Re:Wait.... (1)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068596)

Well, they did survive, obviously.

Good point, and by that reasoning, since Ozzie *is* part Neanderthal, my theory that the Neanderthals would disagree with him already has some small percentage of a strike against it.

Re:Wait.... (3, Funny)

Reziac (43301) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069762)

The conclusion is clear. The Neanderthals went extinct due to an insufficiency of booze, cocaine, morphine, sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol...

Oh the irony. (1)

TheRedDuke (1734262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067622)

He's basically saying that he's been able to live as long as he has because his ancestors were members of a species that failed the natural selection test. Hilarious.

Re:Oh the irony. (2, Insightful)

contra_mundi (1362297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067672)

If the genes are still here, alive and competing, did they really fail?

Re:Oh the irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067894)

No, what's hilarious is someone on website dubbed "news for nerds" demonstrating that he knows nothing about natural selection.

Hint: the world has changed in the last 30,000 or so years. The events that caused the "failure" of neanderthals might not exist today, you know.

Re:Oh the irony. (4, Funny)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068118)

True, I have a feeling that if you threw Ozzie out into the wilderness to support himself via a hunting/gathering lifestyle, he would fail miserably, emphasizing his neanderthal heritage, but maybe if you took ancient neanderthals and threw them into the heavy metal lifestyle, they would have succeeded.

Re:Oh the irony. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068568)

"Sharon! Where did I put those beeping matches? I'm going beeping beeps off! Sharon? SHARON!!!"

Re:Oh the irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068124)

You're absolutely right. 'people of Walmart' and the celebrity-obsessed tabloid culture, to cite just two examples, indicate that lowbrow genes may be doing a lot better than we think

Re:Oh the irony. (1)

lavacano201014 (999580) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069528)

If high school biology has taught me as well as I think it has*, then it isn't the species that passes or fails. It's the gene.

*Keep in mind I went to public school

Uh, "Dog bites man" story? (1)

david.emery (127135) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067644)

Must have been a slow news day (until the Yemeni package scare). But maybe Ozzie's onto something; perhaps Neanderthals do have greater drug survivability...

Re:Uh, "Dog bites man" story? (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067796)

"Must have been a slow news day"

What tipped you off that this Slashdot idle story wasn't overly important news?

Re:Uh, "Dog bites man" story? (1)

david.emery (127135) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067948)

The source... (/. got it from CNN.com)

Re:Uh, "Dog bites man" story? (1)

xenn (148389) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068172)

whooshter sauce

Slow News day?! (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068094)

Five years ago this really would have been a surprise. Maybe even more recently than that. Shit, I'll just admit it: to me, it's a surprise, today, right now. Last I heard, the DNA evidence was that nobody alive has Neanderthal lineage -- that they were an offshoot of homo sapiens ancestors rather than being homo sapiens ancestors. Just goes to show that if you're even just a few years out-of-date on anthropology, you can miss some big things. Real news is happening, right now.

More important... (5, Insightful)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067666)

Is the gene variant they've found in him that has never been found in any other vertebrate.

Ok, maybe not more important, be definately more interesting.

The fact that it's Ozzy is irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067690)

The fact that it's Ozzy is irrelevant. The fact that a homo sapiens mated and produced viable offspring with a Neanderthal is relevant. For those who don't get it: Obviously, I'm referring to Ozzy's very distant ancestors.

Coming Soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067716)

Ozzy [theqarena.com]
Osbourne - coming to a town near you!

Not that hard... (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067720)

Its not that hard to see why Ozzy is alive. One he can get constant medical care if need be. And two, he is rich enough to make sure that his drugs are pure. A lot of drug deaths happen not because of the drugs themselves, but because of additives in the drugs.

Re:Not that hard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067966)

Many also happen because everyone around them is stoned too. If you do to much of something you need someone else to be able to react.

On druggie I knew 'cant tell you how many times I saved someones life'. He LOST count...

In Ozzy's case he has a wife who does not touch the stuff...

Re:Not that hard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067974)

You really believe that Ozzy spent the time to get 'pure' drugs? You really believe that Ozzy has spent time, what should amount to decades, in hospitals for all those issues during which point our medical knowledge may not have been up to snuff?

Stop attributing everything to money

Neanderthal Diet . . . (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067798)

'I was curious, given the swimming pools of booze I've guzzled over the years - not to mention all of the cocaine, morphine, sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol... there's really no plausible medical reason why I should still be alive. Maybe my DNA could say why,' he wrote."

So, like, were the Neanderthals permanently wasted, or what? Given that Ozzie Osbourne diet, I'm surprised that we found any fossiiled remains of the Neanderthalers.

I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068096)

Given that Ozzie Osbourne diet, I'm surprised that we found any fossiiled remains of the Neanderthalers

Pickled maybe, but Fossilized?

So easy a caveman could do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34067950)

*actor portrayal. Not actually insured by Geico (we ain't that stupid)

There's no way he said that. (1)

rdmiller3 (29465) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067964)

Ozzy never did say that. The man can hardly speak! Sure, he's alive but his brain has been seriously fried.

The "Neanderthal" stuff is just another cheap attempt to get publicity. Most Caucasians have those genes.

Re:There's no way he said that. (1)

belthize (990217) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068230)

Actually what he said was 'Oook ook oook eek ook ook', they're just posting the translation.

who? (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067978)

What does Ozzie have to say about it?

I dunno, but I thought we were talking about Ozzy?

Re:who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068296)

The correct way to do it [raginghessian.com]

Neanderthal Hybrid? (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 3 years ago | (#34067998)

If this is true isn't this more important the Idle Slashdot or am I missing something. If he really does have Neanderthal DNA then that suggests that at one point there was a Hybrid and that hurts and helps different theories about Human Evolution like the Out of Africa theory is hurt but the Multiregional model is helped.

Re:Neanderthal Hybrid? (1)

panda (10044) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068158)

It is cited in one of the articles, but it has been known for some time that many Asians and Eurporeans have some Neanderthal DNA. The director of KNOME has even more Neanderthal DNA than does Ozzy.

That isn't exactly news.

Re:Neanderthal Hybrid? (1)

XnavxeMiyyep (782119) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069610)

KNOME

Woah, so the two big desktop environments in Linux put aside their differences and merged together?

Re:Neanderthal Hybrid? (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068888)

out of Africa is not hurt by this at all and multi-regional is not helped by this at all.

Where did the Homo Sapien Sapien come from to interbreed with Homo Sapien Neanderthal ? Out of AFRICA.

New variant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34068020)

Ozzious Stonus Neanderthalensis.

Does this mean (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068026)

Does this mean that "that" is how neanderthals sounded when they talked?

i knew it! (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068122)

i always sensed Ozzy was a little primitive, in a sort of caveman kind of way.

Calls for some lyric revision (4, Funny)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068130)

I.
Am.
(Pre-) Iron (Age) Man
(D)NAna-nana-nana, na na na.

Hard partying? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068414)

I don't doubt either the quantity or quality of drugs and alcohol ingested by Mr. Osbourne, however I don't see anything particularly remarkable in having "survived." Most drug and alcohol related deaths are typically either overdoses, or injuries incurred as an effect of intoxication rather than the toxicity of the substances themselves. Of all the drugs mentioned, only alcohol has been shown to reliably cause cumulative organ and tissue damage, although even then, I'm sure there are alcoholics the world over either meeting or exceeding Mr. Osbourne's levels of consumption (especially considering he's been clean for what, nearly a decade?).

Of course, merely being alive isn't the gold standard for measuring health, and from that perspective, I don't think it indicates anything particularly super-human about either him or his genetics. Further, we have no idea what his liver actually looks like, for example, or how much longer he'll live compared to the average life expectancy for wealthy white males.

I think the best thing about having his DNA sequenced is that adds to the repository, which is what will help DNA research progress. Right now it seems to be looking at people with certain characteristics, and then trying to match them to a given gene. With a large volume of sequenced individuals, we could instead look for certain anomalies or irregularities in the data, and then see what characteristics those people have in common. I think it would provide a greater level of objectivity, by reducing false positives (which are either self-reported or observed) for a given trait. Instead of saying "these people are overweight, let's see what gene they have in common," you could say, "these people all have this gene in common, oh look, they're all overweight except for the set who train like Olympians who we never would have thought to test."

I think targeting celebrities is a good start, but only because they're egotistical enough to believe that their DNA somehow makes them special, and hence willing to pay for the research.

they studied keith richard's dna too (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068440)

apparently it's backwards with him:

the neanderthal genome reveals some lineage inherited from keith richards

This explains eating the bat's head... (1)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068482)

...it was food after all.

Re:This explains eating the bat's head... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34069828)

Neanderthals were theorized to have come to extinction because of their dietary needs, which was almost 100% meat. Their Sapien borthers could survive with a 5% meat diet. I rate your comment as 50% truthiness.

I thought we all came from neanderthals? (1)

RabbitWho (1805112) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068490)

They're homos too, right, so don't we come from them?

Re:I thought we all came from neanderthals? (3, Funny)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34068674)

I don't think that's the politically correct term, but no, not unless they adopt.

Re:I thought we all came from neanderthals? (1)

bmxeroh (1694004) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069224)

Thank you for this, I almost died laughing.

Re:I thought we all came from neanderthals? (1)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069184)

But to answer your question, no. We split off from a common ancestor. Homo just identifies the genus and doesn't imply any order of ancestry.

Onion? (1)

Atomizer (25193) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069186)

I thought this just had to be an Onion article...

Why is this idle? (1)

Psychotria (953670) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069366)

I find it quite interesting. Come to think of it I think that occasionally putting interesting articles in idle is a trap so that people have to read idle just in case there are glimpses of sanity or interesting stuff, otherwise it'd just be ignored completely by most.

Obligatory: The Ozzman Cometh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34069482)

Obligatory: The Ozzman Cometh

Why he's alive... (2, Interesting)

dtjohnson (102237) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069510)

'I was curious, given the swimming pools of booze I've guzzled over the years - not to mention all of the cocaine, morphine, sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol... there's really no plausible medical reason why I should still be alive.

Give me a f**king break! You're alive because you're a well-nourished 62 y/o man who has not (yet) contracted a fatal disease and has avoided fatal traumatic injury in spite of frequent intoxication. Most men in the UK and the US are still alive at 62 yrs.

Ozzy inspires youth (1)

gratuitous_arp (1650741) | more than 3 years ago | (#34069524)

CNN reports that in July, rocker Ozzy Osbourne became one of few to submit his blood to have his full genome sequenced and analyzed.

That really is great. It's so nice to see a popular icon getting involved in some way with science. Just getting his name along side genetic research goes a long way to popularize science -- after all, we know how much children and teens look up to him.

The results are in, and it turns out his genome reveals some Neanderthal lineage.

Oh Ozzy, we still love you! Ha, ha!

What does Ozzie have to say about it? 'I was curious, given the swimming pools of booze I've guzzled over the years

Um, Mr. Osbourne, look--the kids--

not to mention all of the cocaine, morphine

--oh, God--

sleeping pills, cough syrup, LSD, Rohypnol

//turns pale, covers child's ears//

there's really no plausible medical reason why I should still be alive. Maybe my DNA could say why.

B-be sure to let us know... //clears throat//

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