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South Korean Cartoonists Cry Foul Over Edgy Simpsons Intro

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the boooo-urns dept.

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theodp writes "When asked to animate a dark commentary about labor practices in Asia's cartoon industry — the edgy title sequence for the Simpsons' episode 'MoneyBART' — staff from the South Korean production company Akom raised a rare protest. Even after being toned down, the sequence created by British graffiti artist Banksy depicted a dungeon-like complex where droning Asian animators worked in sweatshops, rats scurried around with human bones, kittens were spliced up into Bart Simpson dolls, and a gaunt unicorn punched holes into DVDs. The satire, Akom founder and president Nelson Shin argued, gave the impression that Asian artists slave away in subpar sweatshops when they actually animate much of The Simpsons every week in high-tech workshops in downtown Seoul. Still, South Korean animators make one-third the salaries of their American counterparts, and Shin declined to comment on the full extent of the work his company has outsourced to SEK, a state-run animation studio of North Korea. Some argue that the Banksy sequence's gray and forlorn atmosphere more accurately depicts the sweatshop-like conditions in North Korea."

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299 comments

Asians (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076328)

Those Asians are just too goddamn sensitive.

Re:Asians (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076432)

Actually, this is a rare occasion where I think outrage is warranted. As satire, the intro falls utterly flat on its arse. South Korea is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth, so to portray it as if it were China is a gross insult. A real low point for Banksy, whose work I usually admire. He really should just stick to what he knows, because he's clearly demonstrated his massive ignorance of the South Korean labour market.

Banksy is right and you know it. (1, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076480)

The problem is that they're "among, not "are". More people in the US/UK get what those countries reserve for the few and well connected.

In the US, we don't need Potemkin Villages, but those countries sure do.

Re:Banksy is right and you know it. (0, Redundant)

nacturation (646836) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076636)

In the US, we don't need Potemkin Villages, but those countries sure do.

Oddly enough, I initially read that as Pokemon Villages and was quite glad I've never experienced such an abomination.

Re:Banksy is right and you know it. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076734)

In the US, we don't need Potemkin Villages, but those countries sure do.

Oddly enough, I initially read that as Pokemon Villages and was quite glad I've never experienced such an abomination.

Hahahahahaha! Bravo sir, bravo! Reading comprehension jokes are always so original and hilarious. Some people say that if you've seen one, you've seen all of them, or that it's right there in black-and-white that it doesn't really say "Pokemon", but they just don't have your special sense of humor.

Re:Banksy is right and you know it. (2, Informative)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076998)

I am genuinely sorry that I read your post.

Re:Banksy is right and you know it. (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076638)

Goddamn it Japan, instead of making this statement forlorn like it should be, I am thinking of a stupidly giant video game character that likes to pierce the heavens.

HEAVENLY POTEMKIN BUSTA!

Re:Banksy is right and you know it. (0, Offtopic)

shaitand (626655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077066)

Why is this being marked troll?

Re:Asians (4, Insightful)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076490)

Sounds to me less insult and more comedic hyperbole. Not an attempt to depict

Re:Asians (1)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077068)

Yes, because Unicorns exist! And Fox uses their horns to punch DVD holes!

Re:Asians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076534)

And despite the outrage, it still got made.

Re:Asians (0)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076546)

It was toned down from the original version.

Re:Asians (1)

MadAhab (40080) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076570)

Well good on you for insulting China. Always a smart rhetorical strategy to deflect on someone else.

Then there's this: "Still, South Korean animators make one-third the salaries of their American counterparts, and Shin declined to comment on the full extend of the work his company has oursourced to SEK, a state-run animation studio of North Korea."

Your outrage is a little excessive given that. And you could have addressed that. But didn't. /i got paid 3 times what you did for trolling comment boards //relax, kid, that's satire.

Re:Asians (2, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076754)

yeah but cost of living has to be factored in.

I wouldn't be surprised if animators from South *Dakota* made 1/3 the salaries of the Simpsons animators in california.

Re:Asians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076582)

South Korea is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth, so to portray it as if it were China is a gross insult.

China is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth, so to portray it as if it were North Korea is a gross insult.

Re:Asians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076602)

China is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth, so to portray it as if it were North Korea is a gross insult.

Technologically advanced, maybe, depending on how you look at it, as there is tremendous disparity between the cities and the countryside in that regard. But progressive? No one in their right mind would try to argue that, including the Chinese.

Re:Asians (4, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076604)

I haven't seen it, but I'm curious as to why virtually all cartoons these days are colored in South Korea. Strikes me that depicting it in such an allegorical way is somewhat appropriate.

Being a colorist is not easy, but it's hardly in the same league creatively with the folks that do the writing and modeling for the series. It sounds like it's away of pointing out that it's like working in the salt mines of the cartoon industry.

Re:Asians (5, Interesting)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076624)

The summary says that the South Korean animators are re-outsourcing an unspecified amount (could be a majority for all we know) of the workload to North Korea; for all you know it was this practise that was being commented on, not the South Korean studios themselves.

Re:Asians (0, Troll)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077032)

South Korea is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth

You forget that the Asian workers, smiling and happy as they may be in their productive 1/3 western salary paradise, have taken away jobs from Western workers, who could never live on competitive salaries. So one country's gain is very directly another country's loss. You don't like the angry satire, but it strikes home for a lot of the people for whom The Simpsons is made. That's the nature of good satire: someone always feels the heat.

I'm glad that South Korean society is doing so wonderfully. America put a fair amount of investment into the place in the 1950's in both money and American blood. I'm glad it's all working out. But things aren't working out so well for us over here, and I seriously doubt that there will be many South Koreans lining up to help out the United States, without whom South Korea would be very likely be run by a little shit with big square glasses that has so badly fucked up their neighbors to the North. Please excuse us all to hell if there's are some sore feelings over here when people are out of work because their jobs happen to be passing through South Korea on their race to the bottom. And enjoy it while you can because there's going to come a place where people are happy to work for less than South Koreans and the white knight corporatists who opened plants in South Korea will pull the plug on you without a second thought, just like they did here. Bit of advice: don't spend all your money on consumer electronics. Save a bit or you'll end up like us here in the US, carrying a load of personal and public debt and losing jobs left and right.

South Korea is among the most technologically advanced and progressive countries on earth

America says "You're Welcome".

Streisand Effect (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077054)

Where does it say South Korea? Maybe it was the way the faces were drawn or the uniforms, or maybe the Simpsons are animated using labour in South Korea (not something i'm aware of) or some other clue that I missed but it just looked like a generic Asian sweatshop to me. Having kicked up a fuss, the whole world is going to know it was South Korea now, even if that wasn't the intent.

Re:Asians (2, Insightful)

jaymzter (452402) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076496)

How would you like it if your job, country and culture was stereotyped into the guilt-ridden nonsense that The Simpsons aired? There's really something wrong when people feel proud about how much guilt they have or how much they can hate their own society/culture. This same idiocy even made it into TFS:

...still, South Korean animators make one-third the salaries of their American counterparts...

Where exactly is the requirement that everyone in the world makes the same as their "American counterparts"? Is it because everywhere in the world is the same as America, with the same taxes, costs and currency value? Utter rubbish.

Re:Asians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076592)

How would you like it if your job, country and culture was stereotyped into the guilt-ridden nonsense that The Simpsons aired?

I don't think everything about my country is grand. I understand there are many deficiencies. Therefore I would have no problem with it being parodied in one way or another. I complain about things I don't like in my country (and my "culture" insofar as I consider there to be one), so why would I have a problem with somebody else mocking it?

I don't take "pride" in having problems with my country. But that doesn't mean I have to pretend that it's lollipops and rainbows. It's perfectly valid to criticize one's own culture in areas one does not like about it. Why do you have a problem with this?

Re:Asians (3, Insightful)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076678)

I'm not sure what your point was in the beginning, but doesn't the whole Simpsons show stereotype the US and Americans? The whole show is about making fun of Americans and our society.

I agree with the second part completely.

Re:Asians (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076746)

Not everything is the same, but all the neat toys are. An iPhone is no cheaper in South Korea than in the states.

Re:Asians (1)

digitalchinky (650880) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076900)

I take it you've never read uncyclopedia entries about whatever country it is you come from. Lighten up a little, we are all human on the inside.

Re:Asians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34077002)

How would you like it if your job, country and culture was stereotyped into the guilt-ridden nonsense that The Simpsons aired?.

Wait, isn't the point of the Simpsons to stereotype America?

Re:Asians (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077012)

How would you like it if your job, country and culture was stereotyped into the guilt-ridden nonsense that The Simpsons aired?

How many vacations are they from having insulted every nation on earth? Aside from insulting the U.S.A. with every frame of Homer since 1989...

"Gotta go: Quebec's got the bomb!" -Clinton
"Our money sure is gay!" -Colombian Kidnaper
"And so on, and so forth." -Scrameustache

Re:Asians (2, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077092)

"Where exactly is the requirement that everyone in the world makes the same as their "American counterparts"?"

Say what you will but the bottom line is that this an American show created by American talent but the American animators are going hungry while South Koreans work their jobs.

I'm pretty sure... (4, Insightful)

contra_mundi (1362297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076332)

Nobody actually thought they were using unicorns to make DVDs.

Re:I'm pretty sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076376)

They weren't?!

Re:I'm pretty sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076826)

We use a lot of creatures here. firefox, thunderbird, python, ... even android.

Re:I'm pretty sure... (4, Funny)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076394)

Of course not. Everyone knows unicorns are really used. They're killed, their horns ground up, and the powder made into the elixir that keeps Larry King alive.

Re:I'm pretty sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076672)

No, they're turned into Canned Meat [thinkgeek.com] for which they get sued for. [nytimes.com]

Re:I'm pretty sure... (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076692)

Of course not. Everyone knows unicorns are really used. They're killed, their horns ground up, and the powder made into the elixir that keeps Larry King alive.

Well, at least they were, until they went extinct. That's why he retired: he realized after his current supply runs out he's done, and he didn't want to disintegrate live on air.

Re:I'm pretty sure... (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077080)

Close - but the unicorns aren't killed, they are tended in their later years by the sisters at Radiant Farms [thinkgeek.com] until they pass naturally.

Re:I'm pretty sure... (1)

Xenious (24845) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076540)

I'm pretty sure that was f-in hilarious!

Re:I'm pretty sure... eh!? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076916)

> I'm pretty sure that was f-in hilarious!

What are you talking about?

There's no f in hilarious...

Re:I'm pretty sure... (1)

pookemon (909195) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076932)

Yep - This "Shin" took offense to their work environment being depicted as a sweat shop (which has been done before in the simpsons in "The Barber Shop of Horrors" IIRC) - but not at the depiction of them "Splicing" (WTF - Shredding more like it) kittens.

All this time they never realized (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076356)

Laugh. It's a cartoon.

Modern South Korea (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076366)

South Korea often gets downplayed, and I'm not sure why. After having lived in Korea for three years, I've got to say that Seoul is just as advanced as any other city I've visited, and in some ways, more so. (And in some ways, less so. But, well. You win some, you lose some.) I'll admit that the minimum wage here is pretty ridiculously tiny compared to back home, but even so, the standard of living is pretty damned decent.

I'd love to live in Seoul. It's so vibrant, and the newest apartment complexes are ridiculously nice. Too bad they're also ridiculously expensive, even by North American standards.

Re:Modern South Korea (0, Flamebait)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076414)

I'd love to live in Seoul. It's so vibrant, and the newest apartment complexes are ridiculously nice.

There's nothing you could put in an apartment complex that would entice me to give up my own four walls.

Re:Modern South Korea (3, Insightful)

mangamuscle (706696) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076564)

A job maybe? Oh, you still have yours, do not worry, we will ship it to asia befeore you know it.

Re:Modern South Korea (2, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076634)

I wish I could mod you up. That's precisely the problem. We're engaging in a race to the bottom, and ultimately only the upper classes benefit from it. It doesn't matter that Americans work harder and are more productive as a whole than any of the Asian nations. Because corporate interests are OK shipping shoddy products which may include toxic substances and the high casualty rate the jobs are shipped over seas anyways.

Re:Modern South Korea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076808)

Because corporate interests are OK shipping shoddy products which may include toxic substances and the high casualty rate the jobs are shipped over seas anyways.

And consumers are OK with buying them.

Re:Modern South Korea (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076840)

That's the thing about the corporate system that many people fail to realize. It's very easy to get a corporation to change what they're doing if there's a coordinated effort by consumers to choose not to buy from a certain manufacturer until practices are changed.

Re:Modern South Korea (4, Insightful)

schon (31600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077004)

That's the thing about the corporate system that many people fail to realize. It's very easy to get a corporation to change what they're doing if there's a coordinated effort by consumers to choose not to buy from a certain manufacturer until practices are changed.

That's the thing about the corporate system that corporate apologists people fail to realize. It's almost impossible to get a coordinated effort by consumers because the corporations have so more damn money than individuals, and can drown out any opposition to their pracices.

Re:Modern South Korea (2, Insightful)

jamesh (87723) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077028)

It's very easy to get a corporation to change what they're doing if there's a coordinated effort by consumers to choose not to buy from a certain manufacturer until practices are changed.

It's not so easy to get consumers to not buy from certain manufacturers though. People buy the cheapest goods they can find that will do the job without giving a thought to the fact that they are robbing from themselves.

Re:Modern South Korea (1)

MadAhab (40080) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076580)

Ridiculous by North American standards?

Clearly you aren't posting from Trump Tower, etc.

It's so vibrant, and the newest apartment complex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076732)

"It's so vibrant, and the newest apartment complexes are ridiculously nice."

What's so nice about them?

I didn't think.. (2, Insightful)

JPalms (1929020) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076378)

I didn't think the intro was specifically directed at Korea, but just sweat shops in general. Although I'm sure North Korea is nothing short of horrible.

Why not in America? (4, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076420)

We need to take a stand and start producing cartoons in sweatshops here in America!

Send in the subs (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076434)

Hell, if they won't do anything about North Korea murdering dozens of their people in the sub attack, they won't do anything about a silly comic.

Re:Send in the subs (1)

flyingkillerrobots (1865630) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076568)

It's much easier to fight your friends than to fight your enemies.

Re:Send in the subs (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076644)

There's a lot of South Koreans that genuinely have no idea what goes on in North Korea. There's a significant number of them that want reunification, not understanding that the two peoples are about as related at this point as say the French and Zimbabweans. And that it would almost certainly require the South Koreans to subvert themselves to North Korean rule.

Re:Send in the subs (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076892)

Even if North Korea reunited under South Korean rule, like German reunification, it would make the economic woes of German reunification seem insignificant. We're talking about a broke country, a complete basket case of an economy, a country that has lived under six decades of centralized tyranny. I wonder how many South Koreans would want to take on that burden. I know there are lot of West Germans who were, within a few years, a lot less enthusiastic about Reunification.

But I have my doubts that we'll see the two Koreas joined any time soon. North Korea has mastered a pretty good strategy using its on-again-off-again nuclear program to extort needed aid from South Korea and other nations, and as long as everyone keeps throwing it life lines, it basically underwrites the Kim Dynasty and the Generals that support it.

Come on now - we don't know either (2, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077060)

WE genuinely have no idea what goes on in North Korea and can only rely on little bits of information. Even the Chinese mother of a friend of mine that originally came from the place and lived on the other side of the river from North Korea didn't know much more than rumour and a few stories from refugees after it became impossible to contact relatives and unsafe to travel back. The refugees don't seem to know a lot beyond what happens in their own towns - information and movement is tightly controlled and they are flooded with disinformation. North Korea used to export food to China but now survival of many seems to have been dependant on food aid for many years now.
While the older generations know that Kim is not a God the penalties for saying so appear to be severe, so it looks like we've got a couple of generations of highly xenophobic worshippers of Kim the God King that blame all problems on the USA, Japan etc.
So to sum up we don't really know either so even the above is thrown together from what journalists tried to find out on escorted visits or from refugees that only got to see a small portion of the picture (which is very scary on it's own - not being permitted to talk to relatives in other parts of the country etc.). We can only guess at what is inside from what effects it has on the outside, so we know something horrible is within but we really don't know how bad.

Truth hurts. (2, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076436)

and Shin declined to comment on the full extent of the work his company has outsourced to SEK, a state-run animation studio of North Korea

The hallmark of outsourcing, dishonesty. Shin needs to come clean first.

That's what you get for Third World offshoring. Yes, that means South Korea too.

Re:Truth hurts. (1)

SailorSpork (1080153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076622)

South Korea? 3rd world? I bet you think the Japanese still live in mud huts, too. A quick look placed South Korea at ~$18,000 GDP per capita, only about half of the US. North Korea is ~$1,000 per capita. If you call South Korea 3rd world, you're calling countries with similar economic profiles like Portugal and most of Eastern Europe 3rd world as well.

Re:Truth hurts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076710)

Learn to read before you comment. He was calling North Korea 3rd world, not South Korea.

Re:Truth hurts. (2, Informative)

TheClarkster (1130495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076724)

Um, wow. He was talking about South Korea outsourcing to North Korea, calling North Korea 3rd world.

Re:Truth hurts. (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076784)

GDP per capita is a poor indicater for a country's development.
Guess I should add I'm not calling South Korea 3rd world, since you tend to jump to that conclussion.

Re:Truth hurts. (2, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076656)

That's an insult to the third world. North Korea is worse than most third world nations in pretty much every way.

Re:Truth hurts. (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076850)

I find it remarkable that a South Korean company is outsourcing to North Korea, to be honest.

Re:Truth hurts. (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077082)

That's what you get for Third World offshoring. Yes, that means South Korea too.

South Korea? 3rd world?

I was watching TV on my cellphone while riding the subway. I could hit record, change channels, go back, rewind, hit play. And this was back in 2007. And it cost me less than $30/month.
My classroom had 2 giant interactive touch screen displays.
This was a public school in a small village in the middle of nowhere, not some rich urban private school.

The minimum wage might be low, and the work hours long, but from what I saw, the standard of living for a middle-class Korean family is on about the same as any middle-class North American family. (although the lower-class Koreans do seem to have it worse than North Americans do.)

To me, calling a nation full of people with PVRs in their pockets "3rd world" is ridiculous.

Sorry, you deserve all the flak you get and more (3, Insightful)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076466)

Shin was disappointed. The satire, he and other animators have since argued, gave the impression that Asian artists slave away in subpar sweatshops when, in fact, they animate much of The Simpsons every week in high-tech workshops in downtown Seoul. "Most of the content was about degrading people from Korea, China, Mexico and Vietnam," Shin fumed. "If Banksy wants to criticize these things ... I suggest that he learn more about it first."

Perhaps Shin should learn more about the First World, and what it knows about those countries. It isn't good.

Besides, if Banksy went to do his research, he'd get endless varieties of the same Potemkin Village. Not the actual conditions that Shin is wrong about on the large scale..

Satire. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076494)

Does anyone in Korea understand what SATIRE fucking is?

Re:Satire. (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076608)

Does anyone in Korea understand what SATIRE fucking is?

Isn't that when you get screwed by a comedian?

Re:Satire. (5, Funny)

readin (838620) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076854)

Does anyone in Korea understand what SATIRE fucking is?

Isn't that when you get screwed by a comedian?

No, its when you get screwed by a half-man half-goat. It's illegal in most countries.

Re:Satire. (2, Funny)

wierd_w (1375923) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076914)

No, thats a Satyr. Honest mistake, really. I can totally see how that might happen-- wait, not I cant. Nevermind.

Re:Satire. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34077008)

Sounds like you're someone to whom the title "Men Who Stare At Goats" has a quite different meaning. ;)

Re:Satire. (0, Flamebait)

PietjeJantje (917584) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076676)

Sure they do. I don't think it was very good satire though, it was a little bit too easy, and going for dramatic effect and sympathy of the cause of improving the labor conditions of etc. etc..., of something far way.. now what would have made it good and art is if he had dared to satire the Simpson's own blood, by focusing on the American animators who lost their jobs, went on the become pizza delivery men and women, had to give up their houses because of the mortgage, and started the whole world economy crisis - except for South Korea where they keep increasing their living standards and have surpassed us on several levels already.

Can we stop... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076530)

Can we stop comparing wages based on actual dollar figures, and compare based on standard of living (or something else)?

I make 25% less as a System Administrator in a small remote town than were I working in downtown Toronto.

But my house costs $200,000 as opposed to $1,000,000 for a house or condo in Toronto. Do I bitch that I don't make the same wage? No, because overall I I have the same standard of living / quality of life as everyone else (even better, I have a place to park!).

Yes, food costs about the same (maybe 3% less), cars cost the same, etc, but when a good 40% of what I spent my income on (house, property taxes) is far less, it works.

Re:Can we stop... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076674)

I'd mod you up if I could. Wages tend to mirror the cost of living to some extent. And while not all expenses are equivalent, some things are difficult or impossible to avoid. You're going to pay for food and some sort of shelter in virtually any case, same goes for health care and other basic necessities. It really doesn't matter whether you pay for them individually or via taxation per se, just the total amount you're paying for cost of living.

Re:Can we stop... (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076796)

Can we stop comparing wages based on actual dollar figures, and compare based on standard of living (or something else)?

How about the lack of standard of living?

No minimum wage, no pesky labor laws, and no inconvenient safety regulations. That's where the real savings are realized.

Re:Can we stop... (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076858)

GDP is a bad factor for a country's prosperity, right. For more reasons than what that figure can actually buy, it also doesn't say anything about the social infrastructure, sustainability of the economy, how that wealth is distributed...
It's been a bad factor for a very long time, but it seems every replacement is outdated by the time it approaches mainstream use.

Re:Can we stop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076888)

Amen. I get sick and tired of "they live on a dollar a day".

No they don't. They have a barter economy, and they can do things that we can't. In particular, they can throw up a shack on land they don't own! They steal electricity in some of these places, and the wires are so disorganized and/or the electric company is too busy to track them down and stop it.

I'm not saying I want to trade my apartment and my electricity bill for a leaky shack that might burn down due to faulty wiring. I'm just saying it's not as bad as "a dollar a day" would lead you to believe.

The money economy just doesn't matter that much in some of these places. Saying they live on a dollar a day is like saying that the average American only has 17 Canadian cents. Actually... since I set aside the Canadian money in my change, I probably have a good deal more. Look at me, I'm Canadian rich, or Canadian poor depending on how you look at it.

Re:Can we stop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076936)

In both those places you've got the same national health care, and the same national safety and labour standards. Probably the same access to public schools too, unless you're _extremely_ remote by Canadian standards, which I'm doubting based on the $200k house quote.

Agreed there's more than $$$ to a discussion like this, but your example doesn't bring anything to the table because you're not crossing borders into disparate economies.

Even cheaper (2, Interesting)

phorm (591458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076938)

Actually, I moved from Toronto to a rather small town too. One thing I've found about the big city is that you really get *screwed* if you're working on salary (which is pretty much the norm). So while you may be making less per-annum, you may actually be making more overall depending on how much extra-time you put in.

As for the costs. Food seems a bit more where I am (no local Chinese market), but not incredibly much. A car may cost the same or a bit more, gas is a little higher, but the cost of insurance is nearly *HALF* that of a bigger city. Houses are obviously cheaper, and parking is free, but that does come as a trade-off for crappy transit. Not that I consider the TTC to be overly great, but at least it took me under an hour to get to work downtown by transit (despite being almost in Scarborough, at the edge of Toronto).

Another big factor is the people. In many big cities the overall attitude seems to be "everyone for himself" followed by that others are fair game. In a smaller city, choices are less, but those who actively screw over the customers tend fare less well. Customer-friendly businesses also tend to get good word-of-mouth.

There are some things I miss about the bigger city, but there's a lot to be said for smaller places too.

Re:Can we stop... (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077016)

I make 25% less as a System Administrator in a small remote town than were I working in downtown Toronto. But my house costs $200,000 as opposed to $1,000,000 for a house or condo in Toronto.

While you have a good point, remember this: around the end of your career, you will own a home worth about $200,000, whereas that counterpart in Toronto will own a home worth $1M. He can move to your neighborhood and buy the whole block if he wants, or retire on a ranch. Where I live, it is Californians who are well known for coming into town with truckloads of cash from selling out of expensive markets. Then they take over.

Re:Can we stop... (1)

Dongbu104 (1019002) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077040)

Can we stop comparing wages based on actual dollar figures, and compare based on standard of living (or something else)?

According to a survey by Mercer [guardian.co.uk] , Seoul ranks 14th among large world cities for cost of living. The other U.S. cities in the top 100 are:

New York, NY 27th

Los Angeles, CA 55th

White Plains. NY 83rd

Chicago, IL 91st

San Francisco, CA 93rd

Miami, FL 100th

I think they're justified in having a complaint.

Can someone explain what "edgy" means? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076562)

The last decade seems to have passed me by.

TYIA

Youtube link (5, Informative)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076588)

For those who don't get to see anything on Hulu, this appears to be the intro in question:

Moneybart intro [youtube.com]

Re:Youtube link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076810)

Thanks, mod the parent up.

So, yeah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076594)

"Shin declined to comment on the full extent of the work his company has outsourced to SEK, a state-run animation studio of North Korea."

O RLY?

Seems to me that the gentleman doth protest too much.

Or maybe... (3, Interesting)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076646)

...it's just another Simpson's Halloween "horror" story.

Re:Or maybe... (0)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076750)

I think the real "horror" story here is that the Treehouse of Horror Halloween special will not be aired until November 7th because of post-season baseball!

Re:Or maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076886)

This has been happening since the first few seasons..

Interesting... (1)

RedBear (207369) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076682)

What blows my mind is that there is a supposed "animation studio" in North-frickin-Korea. I thought they barely even had electricity up there, much less any sort of higher technology trade going on with the rest of the world. Interesting. Shows what I know.

Re:Interesting... (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077094)

North Korea is an... odd country. It's mostly a developing nation, with people still struggling to get reliable electricity, and a good chunk of the food is imported since the state-run agriculture is... about as bad as every prior state-run agriculture. But then you've got some parts where it's about equal to the US in the fifties. Namely, anything military, and anything the "Glorious Leader" thinks will make his country seem less backwards. Thus, animation studios, even some video-game studios. And, of course, nuclear weapons.

Non-Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076728)

For those who don't live in the Glorious US blessed it be thy name and can't view the video due to annoying IP Restrictions here a link [youtube.com]

Clerks Animated.. (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076798)

..has done it too, and I'm sure there were others. So why single out The Simpsons? Seems stupid, especially when outsourcing to NK.

Re:Clerks Animated.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076928)

People *watch* the Simpsons

Re:Clerks Animated.. (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34077064)

Touché

It wasn't South Korea (3, Funny)

readin (838620) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076846)

It wasn't South Korea in the cartoon, it was China. South Korea doesn't have pandas. (They do have unicorns, but that's a state secret.)

The Simpsons do a parody, oh the humanity!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34076920)

Man everyone needs to lighten up. Anyone else old enough to remember the Bloom County parody "Who plugged Mortimer Mouse"? He had Disney characters chained to drawing boards drawing Rodger Rabbit cartoons. I doubt anyone actually thought they had Disney characters drawing big busted women. I think the Simpson's parody was more about South East Asia in general and not so much South Korea. A lot of what goes on in China is about that bad but they wanted to do a Simpson's parody and they don't do the animation in China.

Outdated reference (1)

Fartypants (120104) | more than 3 years ago | (#34076952)

"Still, South Korean animators make one-third the salaries of their American counterparts"

Er... what American counterparts?

:FP TACO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34077006)

copy a 17 M3g file BE NIGGER! BE GAY!

100% of Japanese Anime is South Korean Made! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34077034)

... enought said.

Everything from story line, story boads, concepts, stype, production, in-beteens, financial agreements, Seiyu ... the list goes on and on.

This is because of the Japanese Government Colonization and Subjugation Policies from the following the Sino-Russia War and the Annexation of South Korea and Manchuria by Japan in the late 1930's. The Deit of Post-War II Japan still has a 1930's mindset regarding South Korea and Manchuria.

Japan still vows slavery for any human being who acknowledges its World sovernty.

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