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Google Challenges Facebook Over User Address Books

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the where's-my-say dept.

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jcombel writes "When you sign in to Facebook, you had the option of importing your email contacts, to 'friend' them all on the social network. Importing the other way — easily copying your Facebook contacts to Gmail — required jumping through considerable copy/paste hoops or third-party scripts. Google said enough is enough, and they're no longer helping sites that don't allow two-way contact merging. The stated intention is standing their ground to persuade other sites into allowing users to have control of where their data goes — but will this just lead to more sites putting up 'data walls?'"

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Mout (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146740)

Mout

About time (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146746)

About time for someone to challange Facebook

Re:About time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147020)

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You can't have their email address (4, Interesting)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146758)

The problem is that importing Facebook "friends" to gmail requires you to get access to their email address. Friends are in quotes, because Facebook friendship is more like shallow aquantances than friendship. Most of those people you don't want to share your email address with. It is a different thing entirely when people voluntarily give out their email addresses by signing up for Facebook apps, but in this case the email sharing would happen involuntarily.

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146776)

Yes, but you could "invite" them?

Re:You can't have their email address (4, Interesting)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148372)

Exactly like I get an "invite" from Facebook every time someone with my email address in their contacts allows fB to parse their address book? I opt out every time but it happens a couple times a year anyway. And what really pisses me off is at the bottom of each invite is a list of all the other fB users that I "might know"... based on fB finding my address in an imported contact list for each of them... now, I don't have an fB account so why are they correlating people that have my email address on an ongoing basis? Once they have sent out invites, why is fB keeping the information from the imported contacts? And how do I get them to delete (i.e. not retain) my email address when I'm not a member...

Re:You can't have their email address (5, Insightful)

Partaolas (1926386) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146794)

So most people don't mind sharing personal information with these "friends", but when it comes to sharing their email is where they draw the line? I would think it would be the reverse. Many people have my email address, very few of them know who I am dating or what I did last night.

Re:You can't have their email address (2, Interesting)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146942)

Very few people have my email address because I dont want them "inviting" me to sites, because for most sites that is exactly equivalent to them ordering viagra and penis enlargement emails for me.

I dont give a crap if general acquaintances know who I am dating, or what movie we saw last night. I do give a crap how many spam emails I get.

Re:You can't have their email address (3, Insightful)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147032)

use another email for facebook so your real email remains clean while you're at it, run facebook in a separate browser (that is only for facebook) so they can't track all your activities and link them to your account (or other websites knowing who you are from your facebook cookies (or some other way they use to track you)).

Re:You can't have their email address (4, Informative)

hsmith (818216) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147130)

You are totally missing the point. If your brother has your email address and uses GMail. He logs into Facebook and does the "Find people I know using Google Mail" - Facebook then has your address.

Re:You can't have their email address (-1, Redundant)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147184)

my brother can ask me or search for my name. it also works as a filtering mechanism so people you don't know that well can't ask to be friends

Re:You can't have their email address (2, Informative)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147216)

That part where he says you're totally missing the point? Well you're totally missing the point. They got your real email address when your brother searched for people in his contact list.

Re:You can't have their email address (-1, Offtopic)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147250)

yeah because i'm the only one in the world with my name

Re:You can't have their email address (3, Informative)

egladil (1640419) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147296)

Actually, I am the only one in the world with my name. But even if you've got a common name your brother probably doesn't have that many friends with your name so it's trivial for facebook to make the connection between your brothers gmail contact with your name and your brothers facebook friend with the same name.

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147434)

      Well, that kind of sucks, doesn't it? Both my real name and online alias match a whole lot of people. There are regular folks, and some well respected folks (doctors, scientists, and talented artists). Even cities that I've lived in had multiple people with my names. With a common name, I'm less likely to get the random stalker or other undesirables. I've known people with more unique names, and a few misplaced words online will get the undesirables crawling out of the woodwork.

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

not-my-real-name (193518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148792)

Anybody who has your email address can give it to Facebook or some e-card place, or any other sketchy place that may send you unsolicited email. Anybody who has your real address can sign you up for dozens of magazine subscriptions or order pizza delivered to your place.

As soon as the information is out there, you've lost control over it. It's not nice, it's not good, but that's the way it is.

Re:You can't have their email address (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146974)

Many people have my email address, very few of them know who I am dating or what I did last night.

True, they may not know what you did last night. But given you're a Slashdot user, they most certainly know what you did not do last night.

Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (4, Funny)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147584)

Oh yes we do, your on slashdot:

So, you ain't dating anybody, and you spend last night re-compiling the kernel, then crying yourself to sleep in your cold lonely apartment. Only comforted by the hum of your computers.

Or is that just me?

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147924)

That is just you.

I failed to re-compile the kernel and my apartment is not cold. It is steaming hot in my apartment, I dream of a cold apartment.

I wish that I could get comfort from the hum of my computers, but the fan on the one still working computer is broken and it sounds alot.

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34148440)

Joe, you meant your parents basement right? Are they even charging you rent?

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (2, Funny)

not-my-real-name (193518) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148802)

Oh yes we do, your on slashdot:

So, you ain't dating anybody, and you spend last night re-compiling the kernel, then crying yourself to sleep in your cold lonely apartment. Only comforted by the hum of your computers.

Or is that just me?

With that many computers, it's certainly not cold.

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149030)

Cold?

My laptop is quite hot :-)

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149204)

Not me. I was watching the newest/latest episodes of Smallville and Clone Wars, surfing the Internet, reading the newsgroups, etc. at my mom's place underground (I am an ant, remember? :P). However, being single part is true for me as a nerd/geek.

P.S. You're != your. :P

Re:Oh yes we do, your on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149704)

I think chances are high that both you and the original poster are actually really valuable human beings and you are not lonely, and if you are, it is either by choice or because of circumstances that you couldn't help. Get over it guys, you rock.

Re:You can't have their email address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34148470)

So most people don't mind sharing personal information with these "friends", but when it comes to sharing their email is where they draw the line?

I would think it would be the reverse. Many people have my email address, very few of them know who I am dating or what I did last night.

I'm not your facebook friend, and I don't have your email, but I know:
a) you're not dating anyone
b) you stayed at home last night browsing slashdot

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149778)

Many people have my email address, very few of them know who I am dating or what I did last night.

If you were that worried about people knowing who you are dating or what you did last night, why would you post it on Facebook to start with?

Re:You can't have their email address (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146904)

Ok, but many people do have their email address displayed on facebook. You can have your email addresses displayed to friends/networks.

Why not allow the exporting of those email addresses that can be seen by that user?

Re:You can't have their email address (5, Insightful)

Z_A_Commando (991404) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147708)

Back in the day (2004-2006), when Facebook was only for college students, email addresses on Facebook used to be mailto: links. Since crossing the collegiate network boundaries was more difficult than it is now (Facebook hadn't eroded basic privacy that far yet), having a person's email was a surefire way to make sure you found who you were looking for.

Once Facebook opened up to non-college students, I believe emails displayed on Facebook actually became images to harden them from harvesting by spam bots. This was before "granular" privacy controls, and so anyone who was your "friend" on Facebook could see your basic information, of which your email was a part.

Once Facebook was forced to introduce stricter/"easier" privacy controls, a user could restrict, on an per-individual basis, who could see their email(s). As a result, emails became text.

In regards to allowing exporting other users' information, I think Facebook would face a huge backlash from users and "game" developers, for different, though obvious reasons. However, the biggest reason this won't happen is because Facebook's goal is to hoard users' information by providing low barriers to entry and high barriers to exit.

Re:You CAN have their email address (2, Informative)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146998)

The problem is that importing Facebook "friends" to gmail requires you to get access to their email address. Friends are in quotes, because Facebook friendship is more like shallow aquantances than friendship. Most of those people you don't want to share your email address with. It is a different thing entirely when people voluntarily give out their email addresses by signing up for Facebook apps, but in this case the email sharing would happen involuntarily.

The email address is already visible in the info tab of the profile. This discussion is solely about whether a user can export all friends email addresses (that he can already see) *automatically*.

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

RingPeace (1049708) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147022)

You don't need to have an email address to have a google contact, if you don't have any contact details then what's the point in importing them.

Re:You can't have their email address (2, Informative)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147400)

So how come the official Android Facebook app imports all Facebook contacts' E-Mail addresses directly into the Android contacts database?

Sure, it's not a permanent sync/merge (the addresses are removed if you uninstall the Facebook app), but it doesn't seem that Facebook is overly concerned with keeping contacts' E-Mail addresses private.

Re:You can't have their email address (2, Informative)

metamatic (202216) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147748)

So how come the official Android Facebook app imports all Facebook contacts' E-Mail addresses directly into the Android contacts database?

It doesn't. As you point out yourself:

Sure, it's not a permanent sync/merge (the addresses are removed if you uninstall the Facebook app) ...

The Facebook app keeps the contact data in its own separate database, and patches into the contacts app to show it alongside the Android contact database data. The Facebook data is never added to the Android contact database. You can verify this by attempting to read it using the contacts API, or noting that it doesn't sync with Gmail Contacts.

Re:You can't have their email address (1, Interesting)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147826)

Is that really relevant to end users? I don't think it's a necessary distinction, and is more of an annoyance in that users are baffled when the "synced" addresses don't show up in their Google contacts on the web...

Re:You can't have their email address (3, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148080)

Yes, it's relevant to end users, because (a) it means the contact details don't show up in Google contacts, as you point out; (b) you can't access the information from any other Android app that does address book lookups; (c) if Facebook changes its mind about its app or your friend changes privacy settings, the contact information disappears; (d) the information won't sync with your desktop computer. I basically had to go through my Facebook friends and copy their contact information into the actual address book in order to be able to do stuff like send them SMS messages.

Re:You can't have their email address (2, Interesting)

tjhart85 (1840452) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148300)

Exactly! I had to do the same. If you want to send an email to someone thats a facebook friend, you've got to look them up and it's a PITA (compared to just sending them an email).

Personally, I'd much prefer Google having access to everyone I know than Facebook. It just sucks that Buzz sucks so horribly that it never really took off.

obviously it depends on who you friend (1, Flamebait)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148528)

Friends are in quotes, because Facebook friendship is more like shallow aquantances than friendship.

Uh, maybe for you? The only people I'm friends with on Facebook are people I know pretty well- people I've met, intend to meet again, and either am good friends with, or intend to get to be better friends. I've declined a number of friend requests from people I barely knew. And since I've looked at my friend's profiles on a regular basis, I can see all their email addresses. A number of them also have phone numbers and IM accounts visible; I do to all the people I've friended, because I want them to be able to get in touch.

I wish there was a term for the behavior I've seen for years on Slashdot, namely: assuming that because something has a certain level of utility or function for you, that it must be that way for everyone else. I've lost track of how many times someone has said "Oh, this technology is stupid, I can't _____________", and they don't even realize that they're not the target audience or that others might have a different use, experience, etc.

Re:You can't have their email address (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149806)

The problem is that importing Facebook "friends" to gmail requires you to get access to their email address.

Some people make their contact information available to their friends, and most don't. Currently, Facebook doesn't make it easy to extract even that smaller subset of information. It would be great if they started doing that.

Facebook invites ? (4, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146788)

Good , now also block those annoying facebook invite emails and I'm a happy camper

Re:Facebook invites ? (1, Informative)

k2enemy (555744) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146922)

Good , now also block those annoying facebook invite emails and I'm a happy camper

You can click a link at the bottom of the invite to stop receiving them. If it bothers you that much, this seems like a pretty "low cost" way of eliminating the problem.

Re:Facebook invites ? (2, Insightful)

mystik (38627) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147024)

And you validate that the address facebook now has on record is real, legit, and interested in privacy.

If you ignore, filter, and/or delete the message, they really can't confirm.

Just follow the same procedure you use for SPAM/UCE

Re:Facebook invites ? (0, Offtopic)

NoSig (1919688) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147094)

You already signed up with them on that email address and IIRC you had to confirm a code sent to the email.

Re:Facebook invites ? (2, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147276)

That is assuming you are signed up for facebook. Given his stance on the issue, I think it's safe to say that mystik does not use facebook.

Re:Facebook invites ? (1)

NoSig (1919688) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148808)

Oh, I thought he was talking about friend invites. I didn't know you can ask people not on Facebook to get there through an automated system. Damn that's one annoying misfeature.

Re:Facebook invites ? (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149172)

Yep, part of the import address book feature is to invite every person in your address book to be your friend whether they are on facebook or not.

Re:Facebook invites ? (1)

mystik (38627) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147730)

We're going O/T here --- but Facebook will send email invites to email addresses that you don't have registered on Facebook, if the user (who stupidly gives Facebook their Email account username & password) elects.

I've received real (rather than spam/phishing) Facebook 'join us' messages @ my work email address, even though my work address has gone no where near my personal Facebook account.

NEVER let spammers know the address is legit. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147034)

It's a good practice to never "opt-out" for other spam, since it indicates that the address is indeed valid and used. So why should Facebook or any other social media site be treated any differently?

Re:NEVER let spammers know the address is legit. (3, Insightful)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147534)

Because the e-mails that social network sites send are not unsolicited but sent by request from and on behalf of a real person who already has and has verified your e-mail address.

Re:NEVER let spammers know the address is legit. (3, Interesting)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148494)

Because the e-mails that social network sites send are not unsolicited

It is not up to email sender to decide whether his/her email is solicited. Email receiver never asked to bombard him/her with invites to some shady social network site.

Re:NEVER let spammers know the address is legit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147938)

It actually is good practice to opt-out of legit spam that you inadvertently signed up for when it was less obnoxious/had a business relationship with the company. Some would describe this as legit advertising vs. spam, but Facebook's (legit) messages probably fall into the same class as the emails I get from Wendy's or a clothing store that I foolishly gave my real email to when registering for one of those discount cards.

Re:Facebook invites ? (-1, Troll)

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well done, google (5, Interesting)

zanderredux (564003) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146796)

awesome. fuck facebook for not giving the option to export contact lists with useful information. I had to pull a list of e-mails from facebook and I ended up going page by page and copying the e-mails by hand. facebook wants to hold all e-mails within it's walled garden and doesn't reciprocate...

Re:well done, google (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146860)

fuck facebook.

FTFY

other sites (1)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146798)

I think it would be fair that most community-built sites lower their data walls. Not just facebook, but also, e.g., Amazon, and IMdb, which have huge collections of user-reviews, and let's not forget youtube.

Re:other sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146866)

community

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:other sites (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147092)

and let's not forget youtube.

A quick google search would have found: http://www.dataliberation.org/google/youtube-1 .

Re:other sites (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148068)

YouTube export: http://www.dataliberation.org/google/youtube-1 [dataliberation.org]

You can download videos one at a time, and there's an issue you can vote up for bulk download. Of course, youtube videos are usually lower quality than the original you uploaded.

Comments cannot be exported, but I think that is a feature to aid in the preservation of human culture.

Facebook search sucks (-1, Offtopic)

sodavatn (1921018) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146806)

Facebook search sucks, it doesn't handle special characters in status update searches. íóæð

Re:Facebook search sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34146912)

Google search sucks too for special characters ][/;:@#%éçà*, etc

Re:Facebook search sucks (2, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147100)

Google search sucks too for special characters ][/;:@#%éçà*, etc

Not true. André gives me very different results from Andre.

Re:Facebook search sucks (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147156)

All search engines suck right now. Most of the time you get nothing but spam. Especially when looking for drivers, and especially XP drivers.

Re:Facebook search sucks (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147320)

Windows XP sucks for not including a proper driver distribution system.

But yeah, search engines suck too. Showing results from 2006 when the user is clearly searching for technology information is not particularly clever. And it's not just tech searches. Google's supposedly clever system has still not noticed that I click the "show results from last year" option in about 95% of my searches. You'd think it would enable stuff by default after a while for logged-in users.

Data walls... (2, Interesting)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 3 years ago | (#34146964)

but will this just lead to more sites putting up 'data walls?'"

And that's a bad thing why?
Is it a good thing that one site can "one click" harvest large amounts of information about a person, and all the people they have ever met online?
That doesn't sound very "opt-in" to me.

For instance: if I'm one of the people in someone else's "collected addresses" address book (say, someone I bought something from on E-bay 2 years ago, and they didn't even realise my e-mail was automatically saved in their address book).

I don't want Facebook Et al. having easy access thank you.

Re:Data walls... (2, Interesting)

techjoe (925811) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147050)

It is really easy to tie people together and how they've come to be connected once you have such a large dataset to work from. I cannot stand the automatic address booking of addresses itself but that's just one small cog in this run-away train's gearbox..

What about through phones? (0, Troll)

laurenals (832969) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147110)

The two way communication works decently over Android phones, at least as much as I use it.

Re:What about through phones? (1)

tjhart85 (1840452) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148324)

It's not two way. You can't edit a Facebook contact afterall and you can't directly copy out the information to a contact.

If Google gets their way, you can directly import all of your Facebook contacts (or just the ones you want) and be able to add additional information with the Facebook info as a starting point.

This is something that I would very much like.

Closed (5, Interesting)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147152)

Facebook promotes all this semantic tagging of the web, trying to convince webmasters to use their (broken) RDFa standard OpenGraph so they can parse and extract all the info from other websites, yet they don't implement anything like it themselves. They're an information black hole, and other websites should be so willing to just give everything up without any reciprocity.

Lead to Walls? That's FUD! (3, Interesting)

Zamphatta (1760346) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147172)

Facebook wants to take without sharing. If it were a 5 year old kid, they're be forced to share or quit playing with the other kids. It's that simple. Google is actually moving to create an atmosphere of sharing data easily if the user wants to. Facebook's the one with the wall already, and Google's singing Pink Floyd, "tear down the wall!" and I've read multiple stories in the news this week about how this is a bad thing. Can you say FUD?

Re:Lead to Walls? (1)

jcombel (1557059) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147412)

regardless of your stretch of a definition for fud,
 
Google is singing "tear down the wall," by building a wall. we've been living in an environment of corporate self-protection lately; do you think this tactic will work, and convince Facebook "Oh, wow, I should open up here!"
 
Or is it more likely that other sites will follow suit and prevent their users from easily getting in bed with other websites?

Re:Lead to Walls? That's FUD! (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147432)

I've recently been trying to ensure that I have actual email addresses for people, as lately it seems that I end up doing most of my communication with people over FaceBook. This is not currently a bad thing, but could end up like the situation where you have an email address with your ISP and you can't dump them because this is how everyone contacts you ... and you end up being tied to a service you don't want. Years ago I extricated myself from that trap by getting my own domain. FaceBook is the next iteration of that problem ... many of us are tying too much functionality into something where it is difficult to choose an alternative.

Skip (1)

ieatcookies (1490517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147274)

I always skip any step that either prompts me to supply login info for another service or that will harvest other peoples emails through me. If I send an email to you should I expect it to be in face books db if you join facebook? Never liked that...

Re:Skip (1)

tjhart85 (1840452) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148348)

But, wouldn't it be nice to take the people you're friends with on Facebook and directly add them into your address book?

It's significantly easier than harvesting the data from Facebook yourself (I've done it and it takes forever!)

Facebook NOW has a find friends feature. It takes the contacts in your address book and tries to find matches using their name/email address. How is this a bad thing? It makes it easier for you and you get to choose the people from that list that you want to friend without doing the extra work

This is exactly the same, but in reverse.

Prisoner's dilemma (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147284)

Isn't this basically the Prisoner's dilemma? Both Google and Facebook stand to gain by allowing users to share their hundreds of millions of contacts. It may be a slanted version of the prisoner's dilemma since Facebook has nearly twice as many as Google, but Facebook still probably stands to gain millions of users per year from Google and they are not in direct competition with one another, since a lot of people use both Facebook and Google.

Turning the other cheek is typically a bad thing to do in these situations. Facebook does not want to play ball. Google is right to strike back.

Re:Prisoner's dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147814)

The fundamental difference with the prisoner's dilemma is that the prisoners have no opportunity to agree on a common policy. That's precisely what makes it a dilemma. Google and Facebook are able to negotiate a common policy that works in both their interests, and I am sure that is what they will do.

mod 04 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147336)

vitality. Its it just 0wnz.', turned over to yet Romeo 48d Juliet may do, may not be a cock-sucking shitheads. *BSD Juliet Are together

CSV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147368)

First off a disclaimer, I hate FB. It's a black hole of denigrating interpersonal unity cycles where everyone eventually acts 13. Yes, it's an over generalization. Yes, FB is incredibly useful in some ways. I've heard the arguments but I digress. Anyway, can't CSV copy/paste work just fine with minimal effort in this case? I understand the broader picture here but even that can be defeated by a few minutes of work. How often is this function utilized person to person anyway for those few extra minutes to even add up to a substantial amount? I would waste more time on /.idle than on those few steps. a 3 step 'For dummies' approach could be used to disseminate the 'technique' to laymen. Though laymen is prolly a misuse here.
curious for thoughts and tangents on this.

Friends Don't Let Friends FB or GMail or ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147428)

Let's consider a few things
a) you don't want spam
b) you don't want your email address being used to identify you **anywhere** that you do not specifically allow.

Question 1:
  - Why would you email anyone with a gmail account?

Question 2:
  - Why would you want anyone to enter your email address into facebook (or any other "social media app/website" at all?

When I provide you with my email, it is for your personal use, not the use of google, or facebook or LinkedIn or whatever other ad-based tool you use because you are too lazy to care.

Go away.

Glass houses (3, Informative)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147446)

Does Google accept OpenID from all providers yet? For years now, they have provided you with an OpenID, but didn't accept an OpenID from 3rd parties. They are just now starting to allow certain providers in (big ones like Yahoo).

Re:Glass houses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34148224)

Google's argument isn't about interop at all. It's about how easy it is to pack up all your data and leave a service for another. Google makes it quite easy to download *everything* from all of their services and migrate to another. Facebook has a strangle hold on your social graph, you cannot download it and move to someone else's social network instead.

Re:Glass houses (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148356)

Google's argument isn't about interop at all. It's about how easy it is to pack up all your data and leave a service for another.

How about this then:

"We hope that reciprocity will be an important step towards creating a world of true data liberation" [emphasis mine]

Is there some reason that reciprocity should stop with "data liberation"? The Internet is all about interoperation, yet Google only wants to take by sucking users in to its own OpenID accounts and refusing to recognize others.

This is the same greedy, corporate, asshole behavior that they accuse Facebook of, just in a slightly different arena.

More data walls please... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147462)

Especially around Facebook.

Facebook is a facehugger (1)

Lime Green Bowler (937876) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147556)

I think anyone out there who has Half Life'd will understand.

Re:Facebook is a facehugger (1)

jgrahn (181062) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147956)

I think anyone out there who has Half Life'd will understand.

What about those of us who have only seen "Alien"? (That's an old movie, BTW.)

Re:Facebook is a facehugger (1)

Schickie (941317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148676)

Old ?? ...only if you're under twentyseven and a half. Else "Forbidden Planet" is an old movie ... and if you've seen that, when it came out AND you're on FB, well then ... oh hell, words fail me...

Fake suggestions from facebook... (2, Interesting)

js_sebastian (946118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147570)

Facebook is so keen on having us use this feature so they get all of our email contacts as well, that it frequently show "suggestions" on the right hand side telling you that some of your friends have used the facebook friend finder feature... and the best thing is that in several cases it is an outright lie! I have asked my contacts if they had really used that, and several told me they had not, including a few security geeks who I trust are telling the truth (you know, people with papers published on social networks privacy flaws).

Re:Fake suggestions from facebook... (3, Informative)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148340)

From what I've heard, it's a quarter-truth rather than an outright lie. If Alice finds Bob using friend finder, then this message can appear with Bob's name on it. Because there's no way to tell if a friend request came from friend finder, Bob doesn't know that he's "found friends using friend finder".

Importing the other way...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34147576)

There's a word for that you know.

Possible Facebook database leak (1)

Kamoo (1935738) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147716)

I have been receiving very odd spam messages from people who have been on my MSN messenger list that contains just a link which redirects to a pill site domain (which doesn't load, I assume it is one of those brute force exploit pages). The from field on the email address is their display name on Facebook. I have received it from 3 people, 1 of which is a friend on Facebook, all of them are on my MSN contact list. One person on facebook swears I even sent him one, and I am pretty darn sure I am not infected with anything. Has anyone else been receiving them?

My 2 bits (1)

koan (80826) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147756)

The only good corporations and businesses are those terrified of their customers, the minute the corps think they have the upper hand you get something like AT&T, horrible service, over priced, poorly managed and you have to sign their contract which they can change at any time.

Re:My 2 bits (1)

Schickie (941317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148722)

...and you only get that via competition. Therefore start up, ohh, what shall we call it ...BOOKFACE (?) ... and get a coupla hundred million users. Easy.

It's all about negotiation (1)

The Second Horseman (121958) | more than 3 years ago | (#34147932)

In the end, they'll agree to share information. Odds are, Google is going to have to pay Facebook or give them a cut of ad revenue from ads targeted using the social networking information gained from Facebook. Can't say I have a problem with Facebook wanting cash, assuming that's part of the issue - they have information Google wants, Google ought to pay for the privilege. They already make enough money off serving ads while indexing other people's websites. At least the Facebook users know they're posting or uploading information to Facebook.

The question about how Facebook users feel about such a deal is a different issue - and one they should be concerned about. Given the option. I'd block Google from seeing details on Facebook and vice-versa.

Re:It's all about negotiation (1)

Schickie (941317) | more than 3 years ago | (#34148776)

99.5 % of FB users won't give a damn - they won't even know it's happening - when/if it happens.

More Wall Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34148118)

More walls makes it harder for random companies to harvest my information. Identity theft is already stupidly easy to do, why make it easier?

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