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Former Student Gets 30 Months For Political DDoS Attacks

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the distributed-denial-of-freedom-attack dept.

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wiredmikey writes "A former University of Akron student was sentenced Friday to 30 months in prison, followed by 3 years of supervised release for conducting denial of service attacks on the sites of several prominent conservative figures as well as infecting several systems with botnet software. Mitchell L. Frost, age 23, of Bellevue, Ohio admitted that between August 2006 and March 2007, he initiated denial of service attacks on web servers hosting the sites of political commentators, including Bill O'Reilly, Rudy Giuliani, Ann Coulter, and others."

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Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149902)

Obviously, freedom of speech isn't something this little douchenozzle cares about. Like legions of leftards before him, he's perfectly happy breaking the law to try to gag people he doesn't agree with.

Thirty months isn't enough.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149956)

Here's one for you.

Where's the line between a DDoS against a political site and "protected free speech"? And don't give me the "he kept them from having free speech" line - the most harm he likely did to their respective campaigns was to give them free attention and a bit of light public embarrassment. How is this not an electronic sit-in?

Personally, I agree with you that the kid is a douchenozzle. But the above is a somewhat subtle point that I think requires a bit of thought and conversation.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (2, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150074)

"protected free speech"

I find it odd how the constitution seems to mention nothing about unprotected speech and yet people act as if this is normal. Actually, no, that's not odd. That's just the ancient tradition of government corruption kicking in.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150112)

Here's one for you.

Where's the line between a DDoS against a political site and "protected free speech"? And don't give me the "he kept them from having free speech" line - the most harm he likely did to their respective campaigns was to give them free attention and a bit of light public embarrassment. How is this not an electronic sit-in?

Personally, I agree with you that the kid is a douchenozzle. But the above is a somewhat subtle point that I think requires a bit of thought and conversation.

Yeah but I think we can all agree that Ann Coulter is a high-strung bitch and a loudmouth. In other words, a perfect addition to the Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly shows. Hey look, they're all talking over each other, wow that's some hard-hitting news!

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150470)

Yeah but I think we can all agree that Ann Coulter is a high-strung ***** and a loudmouth.

Please tone the language down, I have my kid here reading with me.

I agree that Ann Coulter is mean-spirited, but just imagine how her pussy must smell. Terrible.

She smokes PALL-MALL cigarettes and snorts cocaine while eating lots of red meat and drinking coffee. I bet that she has specks of cereal inside that damn thing. It's like, the wallpaper in the room peels and the petals fall out of your houseplants -- and meanwhile, by the rendering plant, buzzards fall off of their shitwagons -- when she opens her legs.

It's not nearly as nice as your mother's, right son?

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (5, Insightful)

jmottram08 (1886654) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150260)

"a bit of thought?"

Are you serious? Free speech allows him to write his own website, it doesn't allow him to break theirs. Whether or not actual damages were inflicted is a different issue, much like "Attempted Murder" is just as much a crime as "Murder". The difference is in the punishment.

It pains me to see people honestly think that limiting other peoples speech is protected as free speech.

The above is not a subtle point at all. "sit ins" are by and large not legal at all. Think Abortion center protests. You can protest them, but you can't be a public disturbance, you can't be on their property, and you can't block people from access to the clinic. This is just what he did, he (attempted a) block of the websites, because he didn't agree with them. Instead of using his right to free speech to debate them, he decided to put his political feelings above others rights (free speech, right to assemble(people reading the sites), etc...)

Does the punishment fit the crime? maybe, maybe not, but this wasn't a protest, this wasn't a comment on some forum, This was a premeditated multivector attack on both the rights and the property of others. Just because he failed at it, or did it with a computer doesn't make it less wrong or illegal.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (1, Interesting)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150486)

It pains ME to see an ideologue debase a basic free speech issue iinto another stupid liberal/conservative diatribe..

Those MORONS think the whole world revolves around their artificial bullshit dichotomy.

Reduce the world to liberal/conservative and you reduce choices. Reduce choices and you reduce freedom.

It is ALL about the power of Big Capital. It frames the dialog, and the lemmings folllow.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (1)

bartwol (117819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150352)

R O A R !!! subtle. yeah. R O A R !!!

You know...they have laws about bullhorns, don't you?

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (5, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150354)

Where's the line between a DDoS against a political site and "protected free speech"?

I'd say the line is the use of other people's property without their consent. This is the same issue as spamming. His right to express himself doesn't include a right to use anyone else's property to do so.

-jcr

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (1, Insightful)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150050)

Of course right-wingers *NEVER* do anything like this. Newsflash: Some people are assholes, and some just hide behind AC status.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (3, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150332)

Two wrongs don't make a right. Any right-winger using a DDOS attack on liberal sites should do time, too.

-jcr

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150442)

It's not that left-wingers think two wrongs make a right, it's just that they have no other comeback. Leftists are fully aware of what huge assholes they are, so all they can say to the numerous times this innate characteristic reveals itself is, "well, you guys are assholes sometimes too."

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (1)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150380)

Of course right-wingers *NEVER* do anything like this. Newsflash: Some people are assholes, and some just hide behind AC status.

They should start saying things like this in the summary, that way we don't have to see this come up like clockwork every single time the word "Liberal/Progressive" or the word "Conservative" is mentioned. Really it could save a lot of bandwidth.

Re:Scratch a Republican, find an Plutocrat. (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150082)

"A former University of Akron student was sentenced Friday to 30 months in prison, followed by 3 years of supervised release, and an almost certainly non-lethal tazing : ). Risking no proper job, no mortgage ever. That'll teach him not to fuck with several prominent conservative figures".

Although I think I understand the gist of your post, florid as it might be, and agree freedom of speech must cut both ways, I don't think the thirty months is all the trouble he's in.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (3, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150192)

If it were a NON-POLITICAL DOS/bot attack, would anyone on Slashdot give a rat's ass if he went down for MORE than thirty months?

Ignore the political aspect, and he's just a vandal.

Re:Scratch a Liberal, find an Autocrat. (3, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150326)

Ignore the political aspect, and he's just a vandal.

I concur. Like a spammer, he should suffer a penalty proportional to the crime. So, how many computers did he use in the DDOS attack, and what's the statutory penalty for fraudulent/unauthorized use of a computer?

Add them up, and he should probably do a couple of centuries of jail time.

-jcr

As a rabid lefty (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149904)

Good. Don't justify their fears by acting like a thug.

Re:As a rabid lefty (5, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149950)

Good. Don't justify their fears by acting like a thug.

That's two and a half years. Yes, he deserves to be punished, but it strikes me that he's not the one acting like a thug here, and I don't give a damn whether he's a rabid lefty, righty, or indy. If I heard that someone had gotten two and half years for taking down Reid'a, Pelosi's, and Michael Moore's sites, I still boggle in disbelief that someone got two and a half years.

Seriously. Damn!

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149988)

One could argue that a DDoS does not just harm the targeted site. It also harms their uplink provider. By extension that harms every site connected through that provider. It also has some impact on the networks that the pwned machines are connected to.

30 months sounds about right, IMHO.

Re:As a rabid lefty (4, Insightful)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150098)

I'm curious as to what sort of sentence you would get for cutting off someone's power or whatever comm line they use (be it coaxial, fiber, telephone, etc.). If I cut your server's link to the web, would I get off easier than attempting to saturate that link?

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150102)

I think you should be put in jail for that highly offensive comment that you just made! It is clearly my constitutional right to not be offended and be exposed to such vulgar content that goes against my beliefs!

Seriously, how is thirty months about right? For DDoSing even a large amount of websites, that's ridiculous.

Re:As a rabid lefty (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150200)

Seriously, how is thirty months about right?

Tally up the financial losses that he inflicted on the attacked sites, their providers, the providers in-between and the computers that he pwned to carry out the attacks. It will likely be in the tens of thousands of dollars. Now look at what you would be sentenced to for causing that much damage through a more conventional crime, such as vandalism or theft. I suspect you'll find that the punishment is very similar.

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150444)

"Tally up the financial losses"

Were these actually given? Also, you said "losses." Does that mean that they actually lost money from this exchange (and I don't mean money that they could, potentially, have had)?

If so, they could have just made him pay for that.

"I suspect you'll find that the punishment is very similar."

Except that, in this case, nothing was actually damaged as far as I know. The data is still there, right?

Re:As a rabid lefty (2, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150010)

How many right wingers have gone to jail for voter caging? Or voter intimidation? Talk about a double standard.

Re:As a rabid lefty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150406)

Or attempting to bug a sitting US Senator's phones?

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150036)

I was about to agree with you, then I read TFA. It looks like he did a bit more damage than said in the summary.

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150058)

You can get less time for killing someone, depending on the circumstances. I seem to remember a police officer who shot a suspect in the back getting 2 years in prison. I don't recall whether he was convicted of murder or manslaughter or what, but still, that's less time for a DDoS against a few pundits.

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150108)

From TFA:

The former student also admitted initiating denial of service attacks against University of Akron computer servers on or about March 14, 2007, which caused the entire University of Akron computer network to be knocked off-line for approximately 8 12 hours, preventing all students, faculty and staff members from accessing the network. The University claimed that response and remediation efforts to restore network services cost over $10,000.

$10,000 in damages during other crimes (theft, vandalism, etc.) would certainly net you a felony charge. In my state the maximum sentence for a Class E (the least severe) Felony is 24 months, so 30 months isn't that far off the mark. Why should he be treated any differently than someone who destroys and/or steals $10,000 worth of property?

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150242)

In true /. tradition, I didn't read the article. I find your insertion of any semblance of logic and/or facts into this thread in violation of said tradition. I hereby sentence you to 30 months of prison.

Re:As a rabid lefty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150440)

Posting to undo moderation. I screwed up. I was going to mod informative/insightful.

Re:As a rabid lefty (2, Interesting)

Sowelu (713889) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150206)

Two and a half years doesn't sound too outrageous for me, depending on how he DDOSed them. That usually means wide-scale computer intrusion, which is a pretty massive crime. The "distributed" in DDOS means that you're going away for a while. He committed them over a pretty long stretch of time, so it's not like he said "oops I shouldn't have done that"...plus it means he'd kept control of hacked computers for a pretty darn long time. Not cool.

Re:As a rabid lefty (1)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150252)

Good. Don't justify their fears by acting like a thug.

That's two and a half years. Yes, he deserves to be punished, but it strikes me that he's not the one acting like a thug here, and I don't give a damn whether he's a rabid lefty, righty, or indy. If I heard that someone had gotten two and half years for taking down Reid'a, Pelosi's, and Michael Moore's sites, I still boggle in disbelief that someone got two and a half years.

Seriously. Damn!

Independent of any damage that was or was not done, there are two big factors that work against him on that.

One, he chose some high-profile targets. It's not precisely a secret that this gets the attention of authorities and that the legal system works a bit harder for such victims. The authorities were all over this one in a way they probably wouldn't have been if the same thing happened to you or me. It's not exactly comforting to think that this would be the case, but denial would be the only reason not to.

Two, most people who perform DDoS attacks, propagate malware, and run botnets don't get caught. When a law is difficult to enforce, the authoritarian law-and-order mentality never views that as a reason to question whether law is the best solution. That kind of basic questioning and introspection isn't a part of their worldview. Instead, it decides that we need to make an example of those few who do get caught as an attempt to deter the rest. That can often become more important than any notion of letting the punishment fit the crime. For this particular factor, there is no better example than the ridiculous statutory and punitive damages awareded in many RIAA copyright cases.

Re:As a rabid lefty (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150410)

People fear hackers. The point isn't to compensate Reid, or Pelosi, or Ann Coulter, it's to stop people from doing this kind of thing. Based on your reaction, if every hacker reacted the way you are, then it's working. Certainly I would not be willing to do a DDOS of some site. No reasonable person would risk that kind of sentence for what is essentially a prank.

Let's be honest here, this wasn't some guy who for lulz ran an exploit he found on a website. The guy went to the effort to build up a botnet and use it. He was working on this maliciousness for a long time. Two and a half years doesn't really sound that long, to me.

Kevin Mitnick got five, and his crimes weren't malicious.

Re:As a rabid lefty (5, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150028)

As another lefty, I agree in principle - some people are really assholes (Coulter would qualify for sure), but that doesn't mean that they do not have the right to demonstrate that to the world through unimpeded speech. Those who do not enjoy it have the freedom to not listen.

That said, I wonder about the length of sentence. 30 months sounds way too much to me for this kind of crime. In fact, any prison term sounds harsh - unless I'm missing something about what he did, it looks like the kind of thing that is best punished by a hefty fine and some community service.

Re:As a rabid lefty (1, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150214)

Coulter isn't an asshole, she's a fucking cunt. In fact if you look up the defintion of "cunt" in Websters I suspect you'll find her picture.

I say this as someone that leans to the right and even occasionally agrees with her.

Re:As a rabid lefty (0, Offtopic)

buravirgil (137856) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150066)

Wasn't Ohio the front line at the time? Diebold? Sequoia? Non-auditing black boxes?
I see fighting fire with fire a whole world gone blind scenario, no pun intended, but I can't 'judge' DDoS attacks as good or bad.
Color me unsurprised good-old-boy networks contracting out the voting process county by county across the nation have their profits poorly scrutinized while this villain is symbolically sentenced.

Re:As a rabid lefty (3, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150124)

Good. Don't justify their fears by acting like a thug.

Indeed. Usually folks like him try to accomplish the same thing by calling it "hate speech" or the old standby "racism" and seeking to have it censored. Remember how many people have been called "racist" for disagreeing with Obama's politics? Regarding censorship, it's pretty hard to get the government to do that in the USA, so instead they put pressure on the sponsors of a site or of a broadcast to try and make that happen. That's still underhanded as hell but perhaps not quite thuggish.

Of course if folks like him want to really show how non-thug they are, they could always explain why their viewpoint is superior using old antiquated things like facts and reasoning. That's something thugs and criminals are not known for doing.

Jesus! 30 months!!? (4, Informative)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149928)

That's seriously warped. Yes, what he did was wrong, but it's not like he permanently shut down the Internet.

30 months? Two and a half years? Damn, he should have just raped someone instead, he probably would have gotten less time and had a lot more fun in the process. I swear, I'm going to start voting against any politician that runs on being "tough on crime." It seems plenty tough enough as it is.

Two and a half years of someone's life, that's the price we demand now for some minor inconvenience? Damn, if I were his lawyer, I'd be tempted to appeal that for violation of the Eighth Amendment.

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149982)

You do realize you just called raping someone fun?

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150008)

More fun than DDoSing a server? I believe the rapists would agree with that, yes.

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150096)

I think he doesn't mean fun for the victim, but for the raper. Raping is one of the only ways to have sex with good looking women when you're a geek, the other one is being rich.

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150004)

Two and a half years? Damn, he should have just raped someone instead

Or killed an (unarmed) black man

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150298)

+1 Sad

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (5, Informative)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150044)

Yeah. I saw guys in the feds who were doing 20 years because someone else committed a crime and they knew about it. I know a limo driver now at Elkton who picked up a fare at JFK, the DEA pulled them over and found the fare's bags stuffed with cocaine and meth. The driver knew nothing about it, denied all knowledge, and went to trial with a public defender. He got 37 years and lost his appeal, and does not have the money for collateral attack. Did you know that after one appeal, you must now use civil remedies, like 28USC 2241 and 2255, and you are NOT entitled to counsel for them?

I did five years for what most would call, at best, a silly prank that hurt no one and caused neither property or financial loss.

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150322)

I'm really curious (and I'm sure others reading this are as well): what did you do to get 5 years without causing any damage?

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150414)

Simple solution: Don't be an idiot and commit silly pranks. When you have no respect for others, how can you expect them to respect you?

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150480)

Ok. There's a big, big difference between "disrespecting" people by executing a prank and being "disrespected" by being sentenced to 30 months to five years in prison.

Re:Jesus! 30 months!!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150106)

That's seriously warped. Yes, what he did was wrong, but it's not like he permanently shut down the Internet.

30 months? Two and a half years?

Well... the American justice system is famous for draconian punishments. Is anybody surprised?

Our Criminal Justice System is F***** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150472)

That's seriously warped. Yes, what he did was wrong, but it's not like he permanently shut down the Internet.

30 months? Two and a half years? Damn, he should have just raped someone instead, he probably would have gotten less time and had a lot more fun in the process. I swear, I'm going to start voting against any politician that runs on being "tough on crime." It seems plenty tough enough as it is.

Two and a half years of someone's life, that's the price we demand now for some minor inconvenience? Damn, if I were his lawyer, I'd be tempted to appeal that for violation of the Eighth Amendment.

I delivered a conciliatory note to an ex-girlfriend and spent almost a year in a maximum prison for "stalking." People were in there telling me about all the crack they dealt or how many people they murdered and when my turn came around, I get to tell how I delivered a make-up note to someone's house. Our government is crazy and only rich people have enough money to buy justice.

Punishment (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149930)

Is the punishment comparable to what other people convicted of the same crime get?

Re:Punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34149940)

Soon as someone else is dumb enough to get caught we'll let ya know

Re:Punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150020)

Yes. RTFA.

Re:Punishment (2, Informative)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150184)

According to 18 USC 3553 [goo.gl] the judge MUST consider the issue of disparate punishment. So the judge does. And does what he/she wants anyway.

It's a HUGE business, the prison industry, and it needs a steady flow of bodies, which it easily gets.

Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (5, Insightful)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149942)

Meanwhile, Johannes Mehserle, a former BART police officer, shoots and kills an unarmed, restrained man while in custody in view of numerous eyewitnesses, and gets two years in prison minus time already served. Even if we take the defense's word on the matter and accept that it was completely accidental, does it really make sense to punish one person so much more severely for a crime that did not result in anyone's death?

Yes, I am well aware that in the US, those in positions of power--whether through political or financial means--are treated with leniency, and the unwashed masses suffer.

Re:Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150034)

Punishment should be based on intent as well, not simply the result.

Re:Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150140)

This isn't exactly off topic. The parent is comparing sentences of two acts of crime, one of which resulted in death. If that's offtopic in the comments for an article about one of said acts of crime, I really want to know the mod's idea of being on topic.

Re:Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150258)

Here's how it works. There are three classes of people in American society. The first class is the people who run the large institutions: the politicians in government, and the executives of corporations. The second class is the people who protect these institutions: police, lawyers, the media, etc. The third class is everyone else. To calculate a criminal sentence, just use the following formula:

adjusted sentence = original sentence * 10^(class of perpetrator - class of victim)

If you kill someone of your own class, you might get 20 years in prison. But since the BART cop was in the second class, while Grant was in the third, this was dropped down to 2 years. Here, it's the reverse: the student targeted conservative pundits (second class) so instead of 3 months he gets 30.

Re:Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150392)

They both got sentences that were far too light. What's your point?

-jcr

Re:Meanwhile, a cop gets 2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150492)

You can't make any kind of generalizations like that; it has to be judged on a case-by-case basis. Jeffrey Skilling, as an example, got a 24 year sentence and he didn't physically harm anybody. I think you would be hard-pressed to find anybody to argue in his favor, though. Even in cases involving death, intent plays a major factor. There is a huge difference between manslaughter and murder and the penalties reflect that. Also, this kid did more than a few DDoS attacks; I don't know if the sentence is appropriate or not, but let's not make him out to be some kind of martyr. I find it odd that some Slashdot readers want the death sentence for commercial spammers while others want to give weasels like this a break.

Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (3, Insightful)

MrHyd3 (19709) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149968)

Freedom is speech is for all Americans - not just for the ones I or you agree with. Unfortunately, many sanctimonious politicians and college students don't believe in that as displayed by this student. Akron U is just down the road from me, hope this is not the education their spooning out.

Re:Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150032)

You do realize that free speech protections are only protections against the government right? Other people are allowed to infringe on your right to free speech as much as they like.

It's a standard all Americans should aim for. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150100)

Anyone referring to himself or herself as an "American" is basically obliged by the very definition of the term "American" to uphold a similar standard, even when completely private dealings are involved. That's just part of being American.

So even though Constitution regulates only the government, it still sets out a basic set of values that all Americans should believe in and practice to the greatest extent possible. One of those is freedom of expression, and any American who doesn't do whatever they can to grant that freedom when dealing with other private citizens is no longer American.

Re:Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150146)

Other people are allowed to infringe on your right to free speech as much as they like.

No they aren't. Other people can deny you access to THEIR property if it's being used to further your free speech (CmdrTaco could ban you from /. if he was so inclined) but that's it. They can't try to muzzle you when you use your own property or the property of another. They can't slug you if you are standing on the street corner exercising your free speech with a megaphone.

Re:Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150318)

They can and will go after you if the speech in question is made on the radio or TV and might hurt someone's hears. Look up the ancient George Carlin skit where he uttered some unutterable words on the air and the aftermath. I believe the broadcaster was fined.

Re:Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150420)

There are those of us who believe that censorship is a violation of the first amendment and that those fines and the laws associated with them should have been ruled unconstitutional in the first place. Some of us even lurk on Slashdot from time to time.

Re:Freedom of speech, only when it agrees w/ u! (1)

MrHyd3 (19709) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150248)

This is a typical response from my subject above.

This is strange... (3, Interesting)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34149998)

He allegedly "admitted" to what looks like ten counts or more, but since his special assessement was $200, he was only convicted of a single felony count. So, then, why ever would he have admitted anything else? That would be allocution, relevant conduct and further admitted behavior. When I plead out in February 2007, I admitted guilt on one count and all others were dismissed. I denied them (they were indeed false) and no one admits other behavior and gets done for one count.

According to the sentencing table, [goo.gl] assuming this is his first offense, his offense was Level 22. He got a standard three-point reduction for admission of guilt and the judge gave him the low end of Level 19. He will do 87.5% of it, (no parole in feds) a little more than 26 months. He'll go to halfway house in 23.

But he will not go to a Camp. His relevant conduct will affect his custody, and he will probably go to a Low (basically a Medium with cubicles instead of cells), perhaps even FCI Elkton in Ohio where I was. Not fun.

My suspicion is whether he really admitted all those other counts, or this is journalistic excess.

Fixed bad link...doh (1)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150104)

He allegedly "admitted" to what looks like ten counts or more, but since his special assessement was $200, he was only convicted of a single felony count. So, then, why ever would he have admitted anything else? That would be allocution, relevant conduct and further admitted behavior. When I plead out in February 2007, I admitted guilt on one count and all others were dismissed. I denied them (they were indeed false) and no one admits other behavior and gets done for one count.

According to the sentencing table, [goo.gl] assuming this is his first offense, his offense was Level 22. He got a standard three-point reduction for admission of guilt and the judge gave him the low end of Level 19. He will do 87.5% of it, (no parole in feds) a little more than 26 months. He'll go to halfway house in 23.

But he will not go to a Camp. His relevant conduct will affect his custody, and he will probably go to a Low (basically a Medium with cubicles instead of cells), perhaps even FCI Elkton in Ohio where I was. Not fun.

My suspicion is whether he really admitted all those other counts, or this is journalistic excess.

Sorry, link is http://goo.gl/CoIcB [goo.gl]

Re:Fixed bad link...doh (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150148)

Here's the real link: http://www.miami-criminal-lawyer.net/federal-sentencing-guidelines/2007guid/5a.html [miami-crim...lawyer.net]

Fuck URL shorteners. This isn't twitter, your post doesn't have to fit in 160 characters. The only thing they're useful for here is trolling. (How does anyone know you didn't just link to goatse?)

DON'T USE A URL SHORTENER, DIPSHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150278)

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU USING A URL SHORTENER? WE DON'T USE URL SHORTENERS HERE, THIS ISN'T GODDAMN TWITTER!

It looks like you have something interesting to say, but when you start using URL shorteners, it makes me question your sanity.

Re:DON'T USE A URL SHORTENER, DIPSHIT (1)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150358)

I know, I apologize. But for the past few weeks, /. on Chrome has been having a weird bug...can't paste after I type any text. I can remember (u, ok well I try) a shortened URL.

Anyone else seeing this weird paste thing here on Chrome? 10.6.4, Chrome 7.0.517.44 I know, I know, use Firefox.

Mea culpa.

Re:This is strange... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150338)

It seems the subject of your post is this clause:

and no one admits other behavior and gets done for one count.

However the other question

So, then, why ever would he have admitted anything else?

Maybe it's because some people believe in telling the truth, even when it means facing punishment for their actions, even when that means abiding by an established protocol of justice they don't agree with.

Re:This is strange... (2, Insightful)

droopus (33472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150394)

I suppose it's possible, but one's morals get strained when the choice is 30 months versus 35 years. Counts are cumulative in feds, so go down the table twenty levels and tell me about "facing punishment for your actions." Shouldn't that punishment be just and fair?

Ahh, freedom of speech is so precious to the Left. (1, Flamebait)

bhlowe (1803290) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150000)

Until it isn't!! Similar to the idiots who steal campaign signs... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=steals+campaign+signs&aq=f [youtube.com]

Re:Ahh, freedom of speech is so precious to the Le (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150060)

Oh cry more. How about the assholes who keyed my car for having a pro-choice bumper sticker?

Re:Ahh, freedom of speech is so precious to the Le (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150240)

Somehow I doubt they told you why they keyed your car, and you just decided it was because they didn't like your bumper sticker.

Re:Ahh, freedom of speech is so precious to the Le (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150506)

Lol, i'm sure that was the reason.

It couldn't be because some asshole just wanted to key a cars, like some jerk did to every single car on my street a few years ago.

Re:Ahh, freedom of speech is so precious to the Le (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150064)

Both sides of the political divide in the US have members who are desperate to win no matter what it takes - it's not surprising at all that people resort to dirty tricks, on both side. I'd also expect the confirmation bias to lead to differing perceptions - conservatives will believe it's mostly liberals who would resort to criminal activity to disrupt an opponents campaign, while liberals will believe exactly the same about conservatives. It's just another example of how US politics are less like a serious debate than some form of team sport.

27 months. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150006)

Why not just put 27... I can understand 27. Sure it's close to 30, but it isn't 30. Why round a number everyone can comprehend?

Re:27 months. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150016)

owaiticantread

welcome to the new Iraqi rape rooms (0, Troll)

jdogalt (961241) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150024)

Welcome kid, to the socially accepted and socially encouraged rape rooms of the new leaders of Iraq. Don't fuck with the republicans, because they will fuck you, and fuck you hard.

I wonder (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150038)

If he would have gotten less or even nothing when he would have chosen another side of the political spectrum - if there is such a thing on US news media?

Re:I wonder (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150168)

If he would have gotten less or even nothing when he would have chosen another side of the political spectrum - if there is such a thing on US news media?

MSNBC and Comedy Central tend to lean left of center. It's odd that people would make these types of remarks about political motivations when the left is currently in power. Who, exactly, is subverting the process now? Obama? Reid?

he'd be free if he hacked the dems (1, Flamebait)

jsepeta (412566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150068)

because political operatives for the GOP have basically skirted the law for decades pulling shit like this and the DOS attacks on democratic offices and phone systems.

Re:he'd be free if he hacked the dems (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150188)

because political operatives for the GOP have basically skirted the law for decades pulling shit like this and the DOS attacks on democratic offices and phone systems.

Citation needed. Try to make it within the past 20 years. Good luck.

So if I am to understand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150080)

So if I am to understand he acted like an obnoxious, blowhard who didn't allow those he opposes to have a say, and is no longer allowed to say his point of view. ....So how is he different from those he attacked?

People like this disgust me. (2, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150128)

Because NOTHING says "fair and open discourse" like blowing people whose opinions you dislike off the net in a great gale of "Shut The Fuck Up".

I'm not saying I agree with some of these people he DOS'ed, hell, some of them I dislike INTENSELY. But these are the actions of someone who has so little confidence in their own point of view that they have to try and make sure theirs is the ONLY one available.

Re:People like this disgust me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150300)

For the lulz!

The source of Liberalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150194)

Terrorism and silencing free speech is the cornerstone of any liberal douchebag. Obama knows this. The Fairness Doctrine knows this. And the muslims and communists that love them know this.

Cheer up! I'm sure he's a hero in Vermont and California.

DDoS was only a part of his crimes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150238)

Another craptastic Slashdot headline. Before you get too worked up over what you think is just healthy right-wing bashing, read what actually got him this sentence. The last part especially -- how many students got f*cked over by the university's network outage? It could have cost someone a grade and ruined subsequent opportunities. For the entire school. For the amount of risk he deliberately put others in, I think 2 years is way too lenient. He obviously has some kind of power complex and enjoys wielding it.

"According to court documents, Frost admitted that between August 2006, and March 2007, while enrolled as a student at the University of Akron, he used the University's computer network to access IRC channels infected several systems located in the United States and in other countries with botnet zombies.

Frost also admitted gaining access to other computers and computer networks by various means, including scanning for computer networks which were vulnerable to attack or unauthorized intrusion, gaining unauthorized access to and control over such computers, and fraudulently obtaining user names and passwords for users on such systems. Frost admitted using the compromised machines to spread malware and harvest data from the compromised systems, including user names, passwords, credit card numbers, and CVV security codes, and for the purpose of launching Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks on computer systems and Internet websites.

The former student also admitted initiating denial of service attacks against University of Akron computer servers on or about March 14, 2007, which caused the entire University of Akron computer network to be knocked off-line for approximately 8 12 hours, preventing all students, faculty and staff members from accessing the network. The University claimed that response and remediation efforts to restore network services cost over $10,000."

Holy shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150312)

That's what you get for killing someone in Denmark.

True story.

Where's the crime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34150330)

After all, he was only doing electronically what O'Reilly et al. do acoustically, namely shouting loudly and continuously so no one else can get a word in. I would even say that shouting obnoxiously is the American Way (TM)

As a U of A alumni, I find this hard to believe (1)

scourfish (573542) | more than 3 years ago | (#34150484)

I have taken classes in both the electrical engineering and computer science deparrtments of this university, and I find it really hard to believe that some tabloid would imply that a student from one of these programs would have the knowhow to pull something like this off. I'm sick and tired of small time tabloids, such as "Security Week" or the "US Department of Justice" ruining the reputation of my alma mater like this.
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