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Porn Maker Sues 7,000+ For Copyright Infringement

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the enjoy-explaining-that-letter dept.

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This summer, we discussed news that the producers of The Hurt Locker had sued 5,000 people for sharing the movie over BitTorrent. Reader suraj.sun writes with word that a porn company is now following suit, filing a complaint targeting 7,098 people for illegally sharing one of their films. Quoting: "Axel Braun Productions filed the complaint Friday in US District Court for the Northern District of West Virginia, alleging that the defendants illegally shared the adult film Batman XXX: A Porn Parody. The film was written and directed by Axel Braun and distributed by Vivid Entertainment, one of the country's best known porn studios. ... '**** 'em all,' Braun told Xbiz. 'People don't realize that when you pirate a movie it hurts all of the people who work very hard to get it produced — from the cast to the production assistants to the makeup artists. So we are going after every one of them who pirates our content.'"

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Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (4, Funny)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152312)

I havent seen this "film". I'll have to download it and check it out now. Thanks.

I wonder why its so popular? I never thought to myself, "gee, I'd really like to fuck that girl... AS BATMAN!"

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (-1, Troll)

Jmanamj (1077749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152328)

You may never have thought it, but your mom certainly did. Also, Fuck all the movie industry. They can burn in the hell they came from.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (3, Interesting)

gustgr (695173) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152438)

The interesting thing about this flick is that it actually has a history -- weak as it may be, I've seen worse in regular movies. The DVD even includes a 30 minutes long non-porn version of the movie in which all the porn scenes have been cut off.

This non-porn version is probably just a reordering of the DVD chapters by excluding the porn chapters, but nonetheless it's pretty interesting, it really captures the spirits of the original series.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (1)

gustgr (695173) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152448)

s/history/story/

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (4, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152538)

Now technically as the movie can not demonstrate the ability to "promote the useful arts and sciences" under law it is not entitled to copyright protection. So for those who can stand the embarrassment of public admitting sharing that film, there is always a US constitutional challenge, bonus if you win you will strip the movie of it's copyright protection and challenge the whole MPA*/RIA* industry. What makes it interesting is that it will all be from a definitively conservative basis, it would be interesting to watch Republicans publicly attempt to defend copyright protections for pornography.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152586)

Now technically as the movie can not demonstrate the ability to "promote the useful arts and sciences" under law it is not entitled to copyright protection. So for those who can stand the embarrassment of public admitting sharing that film, there is always a US constitutional challenge...

Unfortunately, the copyright clause of the US constitution has been ignored by all courts for decades. Especially the whole "for limited times" bit.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (1, Insightful)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152592)

What makes it interesting is that it will all be from a definitively conservative basis, it would be interesting to watch Republicans publicly attempt to defend copyright protections for pornography.

Ha! You think conservatives actually care about following what's in the Constitution, instead of merely invoking its name to support whatever they've dreamed up. Sucker!

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152600)

Now technically as the movie can not demonstrate the ability to "promote the useful arts and sciences" under law it is not entitled to copyright protection.

The pr0n makers would them make the claim that it is useful for helping men "get it up" so they can service their wives. It's a weak argument but would likely be seen as legitimate. IMHO porn could be considered more "useful" than the latest remakes coming out of mainstream Hollywood.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (2, Interesting)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152622)

The reason porn cannot be sold to minors is that it is considered worthless and thus not protected by the first amendment. Saying that it does have merit would mean it would need first amendment protections as well and the government would no longer be allowed to prevent stores from selling porn to minors.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152740)

Now technically as the movie can not demonstrate the ability to "promote the useful arts and sciences" under law it is not entitled to copyright protection.

The pr0n makers would them make the claim that it is useful for helping men "get it up" so they can service their wives. It's a weak argument but would likely be seen as legitimate. IMHO porn could be considered more "useful" than the latest remakes coming out of mainstream Hollywood.

A much better argument of usefulness would be, that porn helps lonely men satisfy their sexual needs, and thus reduces sex crime. Without porn, the streets would be filled with desperate lonely men seeking out women who don't have sufficiently strong escorts. Not to mention the economic effect, because with porn, these men can live productive lives. Without porn... Well, clearly the civilization would come crashing down in short order.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (3, Funny)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152578)

I wonder why its so popular? I never thought to myself, "gee, I'd really like to fuck that girl... AS BATMAN!"

What the fuck are you doing on Slashdot? Clearly you don't belong here.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152770)

This whole suit smells like a viral marketing stunt to me.

Re:Havent seen it. Let me go Download it... (1)

laejoh (648921) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152782)

Ok, no wizard hat, and no robe, but it's close, it's close enough!

Careful... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152316)

they're cuming after you.

I agree (5, Funny)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152318)

'People don't realize that when you pirate a movie it hurts all of the people who work very hard to get it produced'

Re:I agree (4, Funny)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152368)

Yeah! Those pirates are going down! They better look for legal protection and make sure their defence doesn't have any holes. Simply arguing that someone took advantage and had backdoor access to your wifi won't cut it. Braun is acting as a missionary for the rest of the porn industry to spread the seeds of change and finally rid it of piracy.

Re:I agree (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152552)

Man, I can see that this is going to be a long, hard grind for blindfolded mistress.

Re:I agree (2, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152576)

You think you are funny don't you?

This is serious . Those poor fluffers [urbandictionary.com] working on the set did not get paid because of these acts of pornographic piracy.....

Re:I agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152582)

They probably get paid flat fees just like every other movie 'stars', so, you're really just ripping off the firms not the 'hard workers'

Re:I agree (2, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152780)

So what you're saying is that those pirates are totally fucked.

Intellectual Property (4, Interesting)

Phroggy (441) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152322)

Is DC Comics getting royalties from this film?

Re:Intellectual Property (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152344)

I'm guessing not. And before someone goes off about how US copyright law protects parody and it's been proven in court, parody for profit is a copyright infringement if the maker does not change the trademarked name.

Re:Intellectual Property (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152548)

are you sure? can trademark infringement really change the status of the copyright?

Re:Intellectual Property (1)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152718)

they cant because parody is protected under free speech and DONT require permission to make distribute or sell ask weird al the supreme court ruled a long time ago that parody is protected and not infringing just weird al likes to maintain good relationships with artists so nows all we have to do is tag everything with parody and the RIAA and MPAA cant touch anyone brilliant

Re:Intellectual Property (4, Funny)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152348)

Not a dime, but DC gets to watch their childhood hero face fuck the joker...

OH FUCK. I downloaded the gay one...

wrong torrent.

Re:Intellectual Property (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152414)

You downloaded Batman & Robin??

Re:Intellectual Property (1)

ethan961 (1895082) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152474)

One would hope that they see this case and sue their asses for not obtaining permission etc. I am personally disgusted at the amount of greed and suing going on in North America, but you know what, show the fuckers who's who and punish them for being the asshats they are being by suing all these people out of greed.

Re:Intellectual Property (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152636)

They are portraying it as a parody, so it is deemed to be fair use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody [wikipedia.org]

Re:Intellectual Property (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152712)

They are portraying it as a parody, so it is deemed to be fair use.

It's a trademark issue.

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Good. (4, Insightful)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152346)

You know what? Good for the porn company.
It's messed up that the EFF thinks that it's not okay to sue thousands of people at once. In my eyes, it seems like that's the best way to deal with it.
I mean, piracy is messed up. I pirate things, but I know that pirating things doesn't help the people that create it. Music, movies, books, porn, no matter what you are pirating it. The only way to sensibly deal with this in court is to deal with everyone who's committing the "crime" (I say crime in quotations because I'm not going to say if piracy is really a crime).
So I say good job porn makers. You guys are getting shafted, and it is messed up.

Re:Good. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152380)

These porn guys are suing people for infringing "their" copyright. (I say their in quotations because the porn company is infringing on DC Comics copyright.)

Ironic?

Re:Good. (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152752)

No they're not, parody is one of the clearly defined exceptions in copyright law.

Re:Good. (2, Interesting)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152390)

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The old media want you to believe that the only way they can make money is by selling you their product, but frankly the world has changed and that distribution method is not only outdated but obsolete due to technologies like BitTorrent. In a nutshell, there is very little benefit in trying to sell an infinitely copyable item to people who can make their own copies.

Clearly people want the product. What they don't want is to have to pay for it. Surely an imaginative company like Vivid could find a way to distribute their product in this new paradigm.

Re:Good. (1)

hughperkins (705005) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152506)

I agree with the gp, who as far as I can tell is not trolling but genuinely expressing his true opinion, which I happen to also agree with.

Which doesn't mean I think they should all get sued for insane amounts of money, but maybe something in the region of receiving a speeding ticket or two might be appropriate?

Right now, people pirate because they can. Not because it's right, but because they can get away with it, and it makes their lives easier, and it saves them money. None of those are in my opinion reasons to obtain property that someone else created by means that they don't agree with.

Re:Good. (1)

hughperkins (705005) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152514)

Missing a comma and stuff:

None of those are in my opinion reasons to obtain property that someone else created, by distribution means that the creators don't agree with.

Re:Good. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152638)

Yeah, they could limit it to live performances. That wouldn't really benefit society though.

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152458)

Its going to bite them in the ass....so to speak.
Funny thing about Porn, you really dont need much to make it. I would guess that a sizeable amount of the porn on the net is amatuer stuff that people are willing to put up for the thrill of it. Sure it isnt glossy and neatly packaged, but I would guess that if people knew they were gonna get sued, they will just move on to different non copyrighted stuff. Looks to me like they will slowly erode thier audience with this measure.

Additionally, has anyone ever contacted the people they were going to sue and simply offered for them to simply pay up the actual cost for what they downloaded and then would drop them off the "sue list"?

Re:Good. (4, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152572)

Actually the amateur stuff is just plain better. The "moaning" of women in the pro stuff is so obviously fake that it just sort of take me right out of the moment, the amateur stuff is much more realistic and on the whole just more fun to watch. Of course you have a lot of crap too, but thats why we have ratings systems.

Re:Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152476)

What? No, fuck no. Lawsuits are already badly skewed against the defenders (venue shopping, forcing the defender to travel, legal costs of tens of thousands of dollars to defend against copying one DVD). Why the fuck should it be made even easier to file suit? Let them sue each person individually, doing the paperwork and paying the filing fee one person at a time.

> You guys are getting shafted, and it is messed up.
If they were suing for the actual damage done, maybe tripled, I'd be much more sympathetic. But it's clear from their "f' 'em all" quote that they're going for blood. F' 'em right back.

Re:Good. (2, Interesting)

hughperkins (705005) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152528)

> If they were suing for the actual damage done, maybe tripled, I'd be much more sympathetic. But it's clear from their "f' 'em all" quote that they're going for blood. F' 'em right back.

Well, sueing is an expensive business, for everyone.

Perhaps it might be better if it was prosecuted more along the lines of receiving a parking ticket, or a speeding fine? Easier all round, and no insane fines which seem to me, and to you, insanely out of proportion to the actions taken and the damage one might consider to have been done.

Re:Good. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152644)

Yeah, that would really be more appropriate. Both speeding and piracy just happen all the time and the direct harm is fairly low though it should still be discouraged.

It actually doesn't look all bad (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152350)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDbj1X2V7eM

From the trailer, the costumes and the acting, may actually be above the 1960s TV Batman which it is clearly patterned after.

Re:It actually doesn't look all bad (2, Informative)

grouchomarxist (127479) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152470)

These trailers are higher quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD0YQoAqmrU [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0t0u1ofiv0 [youtube.com]

Re:It actually doesn't look all bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152700)

I'm confused. Why would you watch this other than to laugh. And yet it's called porn. Isn't the purpose of porn to arouse? This must be what it feels like, when a non-vegan bites into a veggie burger. Betrayed.

Oh well. I don't 'get' BDSM either. Not to imply any correlation.

download does NOT equal loss of sale (4, Insightful)

Soulfarmer (607565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152360)

"'People don't realize that when you pirate a movie it hurts all of the people who work very hard to get it produced — from the cast to the production assistants to the makeup artists. So we are going after every one of them who pirates our content."

No, it doesn't hurt you. Either I "preview" said film via torrent, maybe, or I don't see it at all. Now, please tell me where is the loss of sale? Oh, hurts.. well maybe that.

Piracy does NOT equal loss of life. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152376)

Re:Piracy does NOT equal loss of life. (3, Informative)

Soulfarmer (607565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152386)



Yeah well, piracy as downloading and piracy as selling illegal copies are two different things. Downloading does not benefit anyone else but the downloader. I'm all against selling pirated stuff.

Re:Piracy does NOT equal loss of life. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152762)

So if someone illegally downloads Photoshop and uses it to produce graphics which he sells for $10,000+ it's not the same thing? Or is it, because it is benefiting someone else other than him?

So where do you draw the line? Pure consumerism? Everything you illegally download must not affect either directly or indirectly another human?

Does that mean everyone who has pirated Windows to produce anything at all doesn't meet your moral expectations?

Re:Piracy does NOT equal loss of life. (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152648)

Its so true, when they raid the "average" p2p's users homes they find so much porn, different guns, drugs, everything else swabs for drugs, explosives, their digital rolodex lists are packed with known evil types.
They are one click away from ordering a SAM with a stolen CC number.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152422)

Can we say that not every download is a loss of sale, but some losses of sale can be attributed to downloading?

Just because the RIAA/MPAA presents cases in black and white, doesn't mean we have to. It's harder to make them look ridiculous with their huge fines if we're not grounded in reality either and pretend d/l music/movies is so good that it helps children in Africa heal from AIDS and prolongs unicorn marriages.

Maybe then it would help get saner copyright laws that isn't tilted towards corporate insanity.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152462)

In my case, yes, I can definitely say that I would not have purchased any porn dvd's.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152516)

There is just too much free porn on the internet for me to really care about what is being sold.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152598)

In my case, yes, I can definitely say that I would not have purchased any porn dvd's.

Let's say very little was out there freely available, would your habits change in some way? Whether it's buy, PPV, or a subscription website?

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152678)

Probably but are we talking about eliminating only illegal copying or also legal free material (that probably gets revenue from advertising or something)?

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152696)

Nope, I'd just use what's freely available, as I have since the internet came about.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (2, Interesting)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152522)

Can we say that not every download is a loss of sale, but some losses of sale can be attributed to downloading?

With porn, it is almost entirely a 'black and white' situation -- far more so than even mainstream media, where a huge portion would be, at best, lost rentals. If an average person decides to not download a specific porn title, would they proceed to: a) walk to their local porn shop and purchase that movie, or b) download a different pornographic movie/image (such as a non-studio 'production')? I'd almost be willing to stake my life on 'b' being true the vast majority of the time.

Speaking of corporate insanity, remember that the corporate version of 'lost sales' isn't 'sales are down from last year', but 'sales aren't up by as much as we wanted'. The wonderfully unsustainable capitalist dream of increasing profits (sales) by, say, 10% the first year, and 20% (on top of last year's 10%) the following year.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (4, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152588)

With porn, it is almost entirely a 'black and white' situation -- far more so than even mainstream media, where a huge portion would be, at best, lost rentals. If an average person decides to not download a specific porn title, would they proceed to: a) walk to their local porn shop and purchase that movie, or b) download a different pornographic movie/image (such as a non-studio 'production')? I'd almost be willing to stake my life on 'b' being true the vast majority of the time.

Okay, let's take a different situation. Let's say you are an electrical customer and you decide to shower twice a day and so have that many changes of clothing - meaning twice as many loads in both the washer and the dryer as before. Will your single lifestlye choice result in a new power plant being built? Likely not. But what is 10 million people follow suit in similiar energy sucking choices? Maybe so, then.

It's not an analogy, I'm just trying to illustrate cumulative effects.

It's unlikely that most people are searching for any specific porn title. It's not the nature of this beast, like most movie genres. But the free sharing/uploading/downloading of porn probably has a very real effect on consumers.

Maybe they wouldn't have gone into the store to buy it, but perhaps if they couldn't find the quantity they wanted freely online, they would have to take out a subscription to a site that licensed the works. And in the end, every producer is hit, because subscriptions are down, and the value in licensing every work out there goes down cumulatively as well. I'm sure Hotel PPV is suffering the same way among the younger, computer savvy crowd.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152658)

I would be happy if he bumped it up to twice a week.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152730)

I'd have thought Porn was closer to news. Some people might be willing to pay for the times online but most will just find a free alternative.

 

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

B1oodAnge1 (1485419) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152746)

but perhaps if they couldn't find the quantity they wanted freely online

Are you ignoring the immense amounts of copyright free and legal porn online or have you just never been outside Google safe-search?

If, all of a sudden, it were absolutely impossible to get copyrighted porn without paying for it, then there would be absolutely zero impact on the amount of porn sold. Anyone who isn't already paying for porn would simply move on to the next free offering, this time noncopyrighted.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152562)

It's harder to make them look ridiculous with their huge fines if we're not grounded in reality either and pretend d/l music/movies is so good that it helps children in Africa heal from AIDS and prolongs unicorn marriages.

Wait...you mean it doesn't? Shit, what was I torrenting 20,000 gigs of unicorn hentai for then?

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152456)

Or maybe you just buy the damn thing. You don't mean to say that none of the 7,000 downloaders wouldn't have paid money for the movie had they not had the option of just seeing it for free? Besides, "deciding" that you wouldn't watch the movie if it wasn't free doesn't legitimize your stealing it.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

Soulfarmer (607565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152620)

I didn't mean none of the 7,000 wouldn't pay, I am saying nobody can say for sure that ALL of them would have bought it. And I wasn't legitimizing anything.

Downloading is still not stealing. But that is another topic altogether.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (3, Insightful)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152564)

Either I "preview" said film via torrent, maybe, or I don't see it at all. Now, please tell me where is the loss of sale?

Which cuts directly to the real bullshit of the RIAA/MPAA's arguments. They are convinced that if they could just get tougher laws, more DRM and punishments straight out of the middle ages, then all their troubles would go away and they would make even more money than they do now.

Unfortunately:

1. There is no content so amazingly wonderful that I absolutely have to have it.
2. There is a significant number of people who will never buy your product, at any price. If they can't get it for free, or really really cheap, then they will simply do without it (see point 1)
3. Someone "pirates" your movie -- you get no money. People are afraid of getting sued for downloading it so they say "fuck it" and move on to something else (see point 2) in which case -- you get no money.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152580)

There is no loss of sale. There is loss of exclusivity on the right to copy, since by definition, exclusive means that nobody else is supposed to be doing it. Everybody else is supposed to need permission.

Whether or not the loss of something intangible like "exclusivity" amounts to any hurt is wholly subjective, but we know where people who feel similarly about it to this filmmaker sit on that issue.

Re:download does NOT equal loss of sale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152662)

It's the sense of entitlement which is so annoying. Okay, so you don't want to pay for content - then DON'T, but seriously, fuck you if you think you can steal my stuff because of that. If you're not going to pay for it, then you don't GET it. Why do you think it's okay to take things for free just because you wouldn't pay for it normally? It's not, and there's no defending it.

You can say as much as you want that it's not a loss of sale, but if nobody pirated things, there'd be a huge amount of dead space on screens and coming out of speakers. People WANT to see content, and they'll pay for it if they have to. The only reason people won't pay for content in recent years is because they can get it for free through piracy.

It has begun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152362)

How many more will follow suit?
It's only a matter of time till we see a pr0n lawsuit claiming "over nine thousaaaand!!!" victims.
At least flash streaming is not as spy-prone.

Justifying piracy. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152392)

Fellow pirates,

I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty. I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong, but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever, it's easier for me to accept what I'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy. Once on the forefront of relevant IT news, Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership. I am overjoyed.

Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take. I'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.

I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work. I'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software. When their game comes out, I'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work. I'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted. If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty, I'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint, such as this one, amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.

According to that study, it's okay to not pay people for their work because there's some vague hope that they'll make up the difference in income through "concerts and speaking tours." Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do. John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming. It's genius. The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate. We've managed to stretch the truth so far that we're actually telling ourselves that we're helping artists by not paying them for their work. Excellent job.

I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are. Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement, and they've pretended to care about plagiarism, we're supposed to go along with Slashdot's anti-copyright agenda. I'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me. It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something. Remember, I'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is. That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.

EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong, yet the GPL is good. Piracy isn't theft, yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code." I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me. I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL. I don't care, because I'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free, not about the consequences. I want to get rid of copyrights because I've been told that copyrights are the bad guy, and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.

Fellow pirates, let us continue our selfish leeching. Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt. Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations. Making money is wrong, even though Slashdot displays ads, and it cost me money to buy the computer I'm using to pirate stuff.

Yours truly,
A fellow Slashbot

Re:Justifying piracy. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152454)

2/10, tl;dr.

Re:Justifying piracy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152492)

You just stole that whole thing from Cook Source didn't ya?

Re:Justifying piracy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152532)

NO, I didn't STEAL anything. Copyright infringement isn't theft, remember?

Re:Justifying piracy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152502)

Dear fellow Coward,
        No, please, tell us how you really feel

Re:Justifying piracy. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152758)

I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty.

Who else is feeling guilty? You are just projecting your own fucked up morals onto others.

Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take.

That's great, be an asshole. And people who use bittorrent will continue to make copies, which is also known as giving and sharing, since in the end everyone involved has more than they started with.

I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work.

Funny that you bring up John Carmack, one of the few game designers who understands how fucked up the copyright law is, and one of the few who released his old games under GPL.

yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code."

By who? Quotation by a copyright holder needed.

I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL.

Without copyright, there would be no need for GPL. You would know it if your little troll brain could understand the GPL's preamble and the reason for its existence.

Re:Justifying piracy. (0, Redundant)

watookal (1085275) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152784)

Great post. I have no mod points, so please, somebody, mod this post +1 Insightful on my behalf?

People seem to misunderstand the fact that yes, piracy may not be black and white in YOUR case, but unfortunately there can't be a special law for each individual's circumstances. There must be ONE law. One without 100 exception clauses.

Pirates seem to expect that the law should read something like this:

Unauthorised copying of this work is prohibited, unless:
1) The infringing party pinky-swears that he wouldn't have bought the copyrighted work had it not been available illegaly
2) The infringing party pinky-swears that he was only going to use the unauthorised copy of the work for the purposes of deciding whether or not to purchase the work
3) The infringing party is a teenager with stingy parents and therefore was unable to purchase the work
4) The work in question has already sold millions of copies and therefore the author is already stinking rich and doesn't need any more money
5) The work in question is the music of a performing artist, in which case he or she will make enough money from live performances without the help of the infringing party
6) etc. etc. etc.

That said, even I occasionally download illegal music, movies, etc. But I know it's wrong, and I also have my own ways of justifying it to myself, but I am not ridiculous enough to expect the law to tailor itself to my personal value system.

It's wrong, and if I get caught I will get punished, and I will not be surprised or indignant.

Spoiler Alert! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152400)

I watched 'till the end where I found out finally and definitively, Robin is indeed gay. Bat shit gay.

Re:Spoiler Alert! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152680)

What about Batman himself? Did he use the "once doesn't count" excuse?

Wait... what? (1)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152434)

Okay, the TFA says "Axel Braun" "wrote" the porno.

Seriously? People "write" pornos? They already have no fucking plot to begin with, so what the hell does a "porn writer" actually "write"?

Hell, I think a more fitting term would be "choreographer" considering the kinds of physical activities that go into these productions.

Re:Wait... what? (3, Interesting)

compro01 (777531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152468)

There is a plot. Almost always a mindlessly superficial plot which people ignore and wish wasn't getting in the way, but is included to get around the Miller test [wikipedia.org] , but it is a plot.

Re:Wait... what? (1)

hatten (1640681) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152692)

Is it just me that often enjoys the story as much as the scenes? Assuming that it's a good story. Though it might be easier to achieve in comic format.

Re:Wait... what? (4, Funny)

Lloyd_Bryant (73136) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152792)

There is a plot. Almost always a mindlessly superficial plot which people ignore and wish wasn't getting in the way, but is included to get around the Miller test, but it is a plot.

Off topic, but I ROFLed after reading that link - something called the "Three Prong Obscenity Test" sounds more like a porn quality control standard than a legal doctrine :)

Re:Wait... what? (2, Informative)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152554)

Obviously, you're not a connoisseur of porn. You've been jerking off to plotless clips, but you're completely unaware of the vast universe of porn with plot. Go forth and explore this new world which has been opened unto you, like a giant pussy.

Illegally sharing (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152464)

FTFS: "alleging that the defendants illegally shared"

Is it just me or does the the phrase "illegal sharing" strike anyone else as odd?

Side note (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152484)

'**** 'em all,' Braun told Xbiz.

Interestingly, this statement also describes the main plot line of Batman XXX: A Porn Parody.

Wow... (4, Funny)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152504)

These guys can be real dicks.

It takes one to know one... (2, Interesting)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152568)

When do we get to the part where Axel Braun gets sued for using the trademarked name Batman for a porn movie?

Fuck us? Fuck you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152608)

Yet another dimwit who just does not realize one simple fact..

Those people he sues.. ARE HIS CUSTOMERS!

Maybe not this time. Maybe not this movie. But overall that group of people he's taking to court contains a large group of the people who PAY HIM.

And for the ones who never paid him? They never will.

These copyright suits are retarded. They can only hurt your bottom line directly and thru negative word of mouth. It's bad business.

Fuckin moron throwing money away...

Pot. Kettle. Black. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152616)

Hang on a minute, isn't the Batman franchise owned by DC Comics? Shouldn't they be suing HIS a*s for copyright infringement and asking for damages done for sullying the good name of the IP?

Men in tights (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152628)

n/t

BATman?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152652)

Who would name a porn movie BATman?

Re:BATman?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152670)

Is this movie staring Richard Gere?

My confession (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152656)

I am a porn star. Well, rather, I was an extra in a porn movie. I was the slightly tubby Asian dude sitting in a club with a naked chick dancing in front of me. No pay for the part, but I did get to see some naked chick dancing in front of me. Oh yeah, then she ...umm... fornicated with some redneck looking dude. Then another. Then another. Why was I there? I was a computer consultant at the time. My job was to setup a video server so that the naked chick could be broadcast all over the world. The owner of the company said, "Hey, want to be in a movie?" My first thought was that I'd get to, you know, bang some hot chick. Of course not. I was credited as Wang Dong, which was all I could think of at the time.

As for the rest of the talent? The naked chick was drugged out and pretty dried out to look at in real life, but wonder of wonders, on the final video she looks pretty damn young and pretty damn hot. The redneck looking dude was a flaming homo. He could switch from redneck with a southern drawl to flaming homo on a dime. Pretty bizarre. The other dude was just strange.

The studio screws the staff more than pirates do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152690)

No pun intended. The only people that make any real money are the financiers, the studios and the big stars. Everybody else gets a regular paycheck.

If it wasn't for "piracy" many of these films wouldn't have even been noticed by the paying public. The real pirates are the rich owners and the over-paid lawyers.

panicking pornographers (4, Interesting)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152694)

Pornography and its consumer's behaviors are changing, and traditionalists like Axel Braun and Vivid entertainment are worried. Their style of film is declining. In the 90's it was Porn star actresses and a fairly small pool it was too. There were plots, stories, romance.

Only now in the last 5-10 years have producers realized that the market wants none of this. Guys (as consumers) want a new girl each in each scene and subsequent film. Porn Stars are now only tolerated because they have some special trick.

And its changing still again, where people arent subscribing to the main stream "porn Pros" but to niche amateurs sites and marketers. An example is the "dogging" films (women engaging in sex at car parks etc), which originated in Britain. A guy in Ohio has picked up this phenomonon. His DVD's are selling very well thank you. And the old Skool pornographers don't like it. One bit.

Re:panicking pornographers (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152800)

Only now in the last 5-10 years have producers realized that the market wants none of this. Guys (as consumers) want a new girl each in each scene and subsequent film. Porn Stars are now only tolerated because they have some special trick.

I don't know about that, I'm a fairly avid consumer of porn and I like my favorites. What I don't like is a bunch of obviously fake sex, which is why I like the amateur stuff. If you catch them before they are jaded you can see some really nice fucking. After they've been in the business for a few years they may still look good on the outside, but... you know the rest

Too bad (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152826)

I'm nostalgic about old porn, back before it was "interview and nail". My first Porno was "Pretty Peaches 2". It had a sense of ridiculousness that made it fun to watch. I'd even tolerate "80's bush" to have porn not take itself so seriously. And no, a hundred versions of "big sausage pizza" doesn't cut it. Ah... Siobhan... You were so unconvincing as the 20 year old who hadn't been laid...

Misquote (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152774)

'**** 'em all,' Braun told Xbiz.

I very much doubt that he said "Asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk 'em all." I know slashdot has incompetent editors, but you could at least get the fucking quote right.

Costs (3, Insightful)

chaynlynk (1523701) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152788)

Stop charging $40 for your shitty porno and maybe people will care.
New Hollywood movies don't even cost that much on blu-ray.

Following this closely... (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 3 years ago | (#34152796)

I didn't download this film... wonder if they'll go after fans of Kendra or Karissa? Not that I'm worried. Okay, maybe I'm... slightly concerned...

Whatever (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34152836)

Isn't this the same company that profits by selling celebrity sex tapes whether the celebrity approves of it or not? I feel so sorry for them.

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