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Chinese Ad Resellers On Anti-Google Hunger Strike

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the can't-google-a-sandwich dept.

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itwbennett writes "About 200 employees from 7 Chinese ad reselling companies are protesting outside Google's offices in Shanghai in response to Google terminating their contracts, said Fan Meiyong, a representative for the group. 40 of those have gone on a hunger strike that will last until the group's grievances are resolved, Fan added. The ad resellers have said they have held talks with Google about the matter but they still don't know why the contracts were terminated. The group has even written an open letter to Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, asking them for their intervention."

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Hunger Strike? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180398)

Man those chinese are desperate. This isn't a prison, Google isn't responsible for your personal well-being under any international treaty, convention, or agreement

Re:Hunger Strike? (4, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180474)

In china you can hire professional mourners for funerals, so I wonder if you can hire professional hunger strikers.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180508)

In China you can hire just about anything you want, as long as you grease the palms of bureaucrats first.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180926)

Haha. That is so funny.

Is that the same as when a big company "supports" politicians and the politicians in turn "support" that company?

Re:Hunger Strike? (2, Funny)

Miseph (979059) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181126)

Don't be ridiculous, that's a totally legitimate business practice. You're probably just upset because you don't have enough money to put yourself on an even playing field with the big boys... maybe you should try working harder and having some personal accountability. Commie.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181222)

So true. I can't wait for the day I have kids and tell them I make all the money, so I get to tell them what to do (the dished for starters). I have to start somewhere.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Ohrion (814105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181378)

I don't see the downside of this.

Re:Hunger Strike? (-1, Troll)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181648)

"So true. I can't wait for the day I have kids and tell them I make all the money, so I get to tell them what to do (the dished for starters). I have to start somewhere.

So what's your point? Google owes Chinese workers a living? Last I heard China was doing just fine.

And then we have this gem;

sorry, frog. i'm not kissing you to turn you into my princess. i'm a software engineer. i have no time for a girlfriend

You sound like a fippin' idiot.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180770)

What kind of greivers? I have been to funerals where the Mom was crying, wigging out, looking up shouting at God asking him why. That might be awesome if I could hire somebody for that.

Re:Hunger Strike? (3, Funny)

NF6X (725054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180892)

Cool. I'd like to hire one of them for my next design review at work.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181624)

Even better, go clowns! Can you imagine the looks on your families face if right beside them was a group of sad clowns complete with floppy shoes and a little sad clown dog in a hat? Damn, that would almost be worth faking your own death just to see!

As for TFA, the sad part is China probably don't even know they're about to get fucked. The Chinese poisoned their land, filled their water with toxins, but now that more are wanting an actual livable wage you'll see some place like Indonesia or some other have starved third world country suddenly become the "capitalist paradise" and China will end up with tons of empty factories just like we in the USA have. Never forget the words of the great Thomas Jefferson: "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."

It may take them a decade or more, after all we here in the USA didn't lose our manufacturing overnight either. But I bet as we see more and more of this you'll see the big corps looking for the next "capitalist paradise".

Re:Hunger Strike? (5, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180814)

In china you can hire professional mourners for funerals, so I wonder if you can hire professional hunger strikers.

Sure you can, but try to avoid the ones with the "Will Hunger Strike For Food" signs...

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181348)

> In china you can hire professional mourners for funerals

You can do that here too. I would totally be willing to mourn for $400/hr or so. And you could find people willing to do it for less.

Re:Hunger Strike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34182150)

I don't want to encourage modpoint woring but that was probably the funniest comment of the month.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180990)

Yes you can. But tell them you'll pay after the job. If they are good at their job, they'll die!!!!

Re:Hunger Strike? (0, Troll)

zoogies (879569) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181024)

Really, they should just hire the Falun Gong people. Experts at protesting and garnering sympathy. This hunger strike just looks kind of stupid.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181062)

In china you can hire professional mourners for funerals

Similar used to apply in Ireland and Scotland. It's where the surname "Keener" comes from, from the irish/scottish gaelic "caoineadh". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keening [wikipedia.org]

Re:Hunger Strike? (4, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180492)

Man those chinese are desperate. This isn't a prison, Google isn't responsible for your personal well-being under any international treaty, convention, or agreement.

I dunno, but it sure appears weird from thousands of miles away. I know it's an off the wall theory, but could it actually be motivated by the government as a way to marginalize the idea of a hunger strike as a meaningful protest so that actual political dissidents who go on hunger strikes might be more easily brushed off?

Re:Hunger Strike? (2, Insightful)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180634)

Hunger strikes don't need marginalizing; they're the grown-up version of holding one's breath.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180684)

...and yet, Gandhi successfully pulled it off over salt (yes, yes, there were other things and other events involved).

Re:Hunger Strike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180998)

Freedom of your people from colonial rule vs can no longer advertise buggy whips.

I'm thinking there was more to it than the not eating part.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181028)

One possibly significant difference: millions of people looked to Gandhi as their political leader. 20 chinese workers? They won't have the same effect.

Re:Hunger Strike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181104)

...and yet, Gandhi successfully pulled it off over salt (yes, yes, there were other things and other events involved).

Gandhi protested the British government's unjust rules. Protesting the occupation of your country by violating a rule designed to enrich the occupier is a good strategy when the occupier is a democracy of voters who will be upset if you enforce the rule.

Google is not locking people up. Not renewing a contract is not something most people see as unjust. This situation is in no way comparable.

Re:Hunger Strike? (2, Informative)

nashv (1479253) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181324)

Actually, Gandhi made several hunger-strikes, but they all occurred only after he was a hugely popular leader- which meant that the possibility of his death, brought massive pressure over the ruling British Government who would have to deal with anarchic rage riots that could break out in the population.

To protest the Salt tax, he simply marched to the sea and made his own , with about a few hundred other people.

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Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

oiron (697563) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181626)

Technically, that wasn't a hunger strike; you refer to the Dandi march, which was more of civil disobediance. The point was to make salt, which was a forbidden commodity.

The hunger strike was a different tactic, which he used more often to highlight differences between his own people (Hindu-Muslim unity and so on). And yes, that was reasonably successful too.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180850)

hunger strikes can work, it just helps to have a legitimate cause. In this scenario, there isn't one.

Re:Hunger Strike? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180822)

Man those chinese are desperate. This isn't a prison, Google isn't responsible for your personal well-being under any international treaty, convention, or agreement.

I dunno, but it sure appears weird from thousands of miles away. I know it's an off the wall theory, but could it actually be motivated by the government as a way to marginalize the idea of a hunger strike as a meaningful protest so that actual political dissidents who go on hunger strikes might be more easily brushed off?

Suggest that the American government would do some covert action for its own selfish gain with no regard to who it harms and you're a looney conspiracy theorist nutter.

Suggest that the Chinese government would do some covert action for its own selfish gain with no regard for who it harms and you're Insightful and Interesting.

Bill Hicks said it best: all governments are liars and murderers. The worst kind of people love authority and are attracted to positions of power. Some governments just have better PR than others, that's all.

Re:Hunger Strike? (2, Funny)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180944)

hunger strikes don't cost anything so anyone can do them.

LoB

Re:Hunger Strike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181022)

hunger strikes don't cost anything so anyone can do them. LoB

If money is the only cost you are capable of recognizing, I sure hope you never become a parent.

Re:Hunger Strike? (0, Flamebait)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181592)

first off, thanks for making me a parent by posting a reply, albeit AC. Secondly, one issue mentioned in a comment does NOT exclude all others. Thanks for playing.

LoB

Re:Hunger Strike? (3, Interesting)

zoogies (879569) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181078)

Agree - absurd theory. Just some nutty self-serving individuals. The only reason to even bring this up is an attempt to blindly play on the "big, bad, scary communist government" theme.

The truth is, the PRC is completely clueless about PR (public relations) and will continue to be roundly slaughtered in the court of public opinion because of this.

Re:Hunger Strike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181140)

You're right, that's pretty off-the-wall.

Re:Hunger Strike? (2, Interesting)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180524)

Man those chinese are desperate.

Yes, they probably are. If you were sacked and not given a reason, you would probably be asking questions. These folks didn't start the hunger strike the moment they got shitcanned. They tried to find out what happened, how to resolve it and the like. This is the only thing they can think of doing - for better or worse.

I don't know the background of this at all, they could have been doing shonky business practice and got caught out once too many by Google or perhaps Google thought they could make more money by simply getting their own folks to do the work, or a million other possible scenarios.

Or perhaps they are simply that desperate to have a job to be able to support their families/put food on their own table that they do not see any other option but to get all the media attention that they can by sitting outside the office of the big "foreign company" starving.

Google ISN'T responsible for their personal well being, I totally agree, but that probably isn't a consolation for them.

Re:Hunger Strike? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180852)

This is the only thing they can think of doing - for better or worse.

Except for, you know, like taking Google to court? Yes, I'm sure the court system in China isn't as good as the court system in freer, western, nations but at least do that.

Or, better yet, run your own ad company. When you are a useless middleman as it seems these people were, don't be surprised when companies streamline things to leave you out.

I'm really having a hard time finding sympathy for a company who totally relied on only one company to be a middleman. Thats just a piss-poor business strategy.

Their official statement (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180432)

we so hungry, we love you long time google

Google's China strategy has always been a mess (2, Insightful)

microbee (682094) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180478)

and I don't think Larry and Sergey will give to damn to those Chinese resellers.

Re:Google's China strategy has always been a mess (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181040)

Fifty centers must be moderating today to rate up such poorly written fluff.

Re:Google's China strategy has always been a mess (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181086)

For those of us not up on the lingo [wikipedia.org] .

Protests? In CHINA?! (2, Funny)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180486)

Get out the Google Tanks! Oops, wrong regime. Get out the Google StreetView data collection vehicles! If they're not jumping from the building yet, then things are pretty good in Shanghai. Damn, I love me some Shanghai tiles...

Re:Protests? In CHINA?! (1)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181164)

Protests are SO overrated. If banks fuck up your savings, it's TOTALLY acceptable to all bend over and take it like a man.

Re:Protests? In CHINA?! (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181578)

If my bank fucked up my savings, I certainly wouldn't waste my time "protesting". Protests are useless. We have a court system now, which replaces the older practice of stringing up cheating bankers from the nearest lamppost. I prefer the older practice, but one tries to keep with the times.

Re:Protests? In CHINA?! (1)

nobodylocalhost (1343981) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181922)

torches and pitchforks works better. you can even upgrade to a truck full of rednecks with shotguns. however, court room is not the answer to your problem, because real winner in the court rooms are them lawyers.

Re:Protests? In CHINA?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34182090)

Your sig:

I like how you chose taxpayer over citizen. $44,107 is nowhere near as inflammatory as $124,000 now is it?

Pointless (2, Informative)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180490)

If Google violated a contract, take them to court. If not, then there is no room for complaint.

Re:Pointless (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180532)

If Google violated a contract, take them to court. If not, then there is no room for complaint.

Oh sure there is, the court of public opinion doesn't follow the same rules as a court of law.

Re:Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180688)

Naturally, ask anybody accused of child molestation...

Re:Pointless (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180864)

and if there's no public opinion, there's always grandstanding.

Re:Pointless (1)

Oxford_Comma_Lover (1679530) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181372)

> If Google violated a contract, take them to court. If not, then there is no room for complaint.

It doesn't work like that in the US. Here, we only go to court if the transaction costs associated with the trial, together with the risk of loss, do not exceed the expected benefit.

That calculus is thrown off by the fact that lawyers almost always estimate their chances as higher than they are. Note that I am including harm and benefit to reputation in "transaction costs."

Google will help them search for free food (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180514)

If they're willing to share their location, they'll even help them find some nearby.

And that'll work out so well for them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180556)

Remember, this is China.

Better watch out for the moment the Google Cameras are turned off.

It'll be right before the tanks start rolling.

Re:And that'll work out so well for them. (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180590)

It's a simple answer. We'll just alter Google Maps to show Shanghai in the middle of the China Sea, and then *blub*, that will be the end of that.

initial thought (4, Interesting)

jnpcl (1929302) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180568)

(just a guess): the ad resellers were caught adding malware to the ads.

Re:initial thought (1)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180724)

has this caused Google to stop hosting ads (all by itself) in the past [cnet.com] ?

Re:initial thought (1)

shougyin (1920460) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180810)

I'd agree, but it doesn't matter. A company has every right to replace people when it wants to. That's just the corporate world for you. It happens to people daily, but I’m sure that because Google is standing behind their decision, that people were doing something wrong.

Live to work (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180570)

I'd say I was impressed that they're going on a hunger strike, except that in doing so they place their health on the line for their employer.

Perhaps it's the western perspective that work isn't something worth our health?

Re:Live to work (1)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180736)

perhaps more so that in a communal culture, they are naturally going to put more on the line for their perceived social group. Another possibility is, of course, that their health would be more on the line if they didn't protest.

Re:Live to work (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180778)

I don't know why you would think that these "hunger strikes" are in any way honorable. A hunger strike is the adult version of telling your parents you want to run away or kill yourself. It accomplishes nothing but trying to get someone to feel guilt. If you feel like you've been wronged do the adult thing and take Google to court and don't act like a 7 year old.

Perhaps it's the western perspective that work isn't something worth our health?

It isn't a "perspective" its simply a fact. No matter what philosophy you believe in, people were called for an existence other than making things in a factory. If you believe in atheism, the highest calling is to breed and protect your offspring so they can be raised to maturity to continue the human race. If you believe in religion, the highest calling is to serve your god in some way which usually goes beyond just sitting in a factory all day.

huh? (1)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180604)

I dont understand why they think a "hunger strike" is going to do any more than a regular strike. They arent just going to sit out there till they die, they will eat eventually. Just let them go hungry. Weird. 0_o

Re:huh? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180652)

Or their google jobs were the only thing putting food on their table. If they are going to starve anyway, might as well get attention and possibly redress for it.

Re:huh? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180762)

Think about it... they can afford to NOT WORK AT ALL, in order to protest and hunger strike. I'd say leave 'em to it. There are folks that can't afford to hunger strike, at least these strikers are leaving the jobs for those that need them.

On second thought: Can get all the other middle-men in the world to go on hunger strike too?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180842)

Because jobs in China are so easy to come by.

Oh, err, uh, I guess they are, Mr. Partymember. Oh, no, no, I love the party. Hooray for the People!

Re:huh? (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181510)

There are folks that can't afford to hunger strike, at least these strikers are leaving the jobs for those that need them.

WTF? Who can't afford to not buy groceries?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180680)

A strike is what you do when you're still employed, but you're trying to press your employer into giving into your demands. These guys are less than consumers, at this point, as they're certainly not using Google while they're sitting in front of the building.

I love the "...but the issues are still unresolved" bit, in particular -- it all sounds pretty clearly resolved, to me. Plus a bonus: they're sort of living the American dream.

Google "reselling" is over (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180696)

The "search engine optimization" community is waking up to the fact that Google "reselling" is over. The October 27th merger of "Google Places" into Google web search wasn't about "places". It was about "businesses". Google is pulling third-party revenue in-house. Google is squeezing out "made for AdWords" sites, "directories", and other intermediaries that are just forwarding clicks. Search for "London hotels" or "DVD player", and notice how far down you have to go to see an organic search result. If you want to advertise a product that's found by search, you now talk to Google directly.

This will put a big dent in the "search engine optimization" industry. We'll see many junk sites going under, too.

Bing, having copied Google in this within days, is doing roughly the same thing.

The guys in China are getting hit by this, but they're just collateral damage of a major policy change.

Re:Google "reselling" is over (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180794)

The guys in China are getting hit by this, but they're just collateral damage of a major policy change.

Or perhaps they are just experiencing the backlash of being worthless human beings who fail to offer anything of value to society. Is there any way we can get the rest of the link-farmers, fake bloggers and forum spammers to starve themselves to death? Failing that, can we just shoot them?

Re:Google "reselling" is over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180928)

Agreed. Damn dirty hippies need to get a real job. Maybe we can get lucky and after some really good spam blockers come out, spammers will start to starve themselves. Here is something: are they right outside of the google office? That would be awkward if there was a starving chinese dude by the front door

Re:Google "reselling" is over (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181414)

That would be awkward if there was a starving chinese dude by the front door

It's not so awkward when it's self-inflicted. At that point it's just stupid.

Re:Google "reselling" is over (1)

nashv (1479253) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181404)

This will put a big dent in the "search engine optimization" industry. We'll see many junk sites going under, too.

I believe that is called "cutting the middle man", which is always a good thing.

Re:Google "reselling" is over (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34182112)

Indeed. I can't wait for these wastes of resources to die.

They didn't protest to the China government (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180702)

... because they would risk being imprisoned and suddenly disappear, I guess.

Smear Campaign? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180748)

Anyone willing to bet they're being paid by Baidu, or even better Beijing? Those on the hunger strike probably get a nice bump. Or maybe they're just using the only chance they'll get to protest in public. If this was a Chinese company they were protesting against, there would be 200 freshly dug graves.

Imports (-1, Troll)

Caerdwyn (829058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180812)

Who says that there's an American trade imbalance with China? Here we have excellent proof that China is importing and embracing the leading American industry: entitlements.

To quote George Carlin (1)

ewhenn (647989) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180840)

"Don't eat, see if I give a shit"

Seriously, if you have a contract dispute, take them to court.

Re:To quote George Carlin (1)

ram.loss (151102) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181020)

"Don't eat, see if I give a shit"

Seriously, if you have a contract dispute, take them to court.

In China, take them to court in China. Seriously?

Re:To quote George Carlin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181262)

In Communist China, court takes YOU!!

American companies do this shit all the time... (1)

Scannerman (1136265) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180876)

...Work with a local partner, get them to do the hard work, then decide to keep the benefits for themselves, drop the local guy..

Then act surprised when its not considered acceptable (or even legal) in other parts of the world.

The American legal system is so completely skewed in favour of the big guys that even people who decry this in other areas accept it as 'just the way things are'.

The google guys obviously totally believe their own bullshit about what good people they are, and probably don't realise how much this sucks to people who devoted a big chunk of their lives to building up something. Legally they obviously owned nothing, and I'm sure the American reaction would be that they should have negotiated a better deal, Americans expect to be shafted and act accordingly. most of us (even the Chinese) are more trusting.
 

Re:American companies do this shit all the time... (2, Insightful)

Lazareth (1756336) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181072)

They worked for google, they got money from google.
Google got somebody else to do the work (themselves), google stopped paying a workforce no longer needed.
Omfgod google is evul for not paying workforce to do nothing! Workforce doing nothing really hard! Google entitled to pay workforce doing nothing!

No seriously, you're trying to make it sound like they are entitled to something beyond their contracts. While it really suck to lose your job and I can imagine it sucking even more in China, the reality of a normal job is that you're only entitled to a paycheck for as long as you work and you're only entitled to work for as long as you're needed.

If their contracts say something else, then google is doing something illegal in the scope of the contracts. If not, you don't really have a case.

Re:American companies do this shit all the time... (1)

Lazareth (1756336) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181208)

Addendum:
That said it does seem like China has some gotchas regarding terminating employees. If the local law prohibits google from doing it the way they did, then of course there is a case. If not, there isn't. In the first case they should be taking it to court, not protesting, in the latter case they should be looking for new jobs instead of protesting. In both cases, they should stop protesting.

Newsflash (3, Informative)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34180890)

Chinese labor laws are not the same as those in the US or Europe.

http://www.chinalawblog.com/2010/01/terminating_your_china_employe.html [chinalawblog.com]

Re:Newsflash (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181080)

The article says that google didn't terminate a contract with the employees, but with the resellers that were employing them. It effectively put them out of work, but the protesters were never actually employed by google.

Re:Newsflash (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181108)

Someone really needs to mod this up, or steal his link and post it up higher for instant karma. Heck, this link should be in the freakin' summary.

Re:Newsflash (4, Insightful)

Matheus (586080) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181512)

Sure. Great point and quite interesting. The problem is that it doesn't apply here.

Google did not employ these people. These were companies that Google stopped doing business with. As long as Google didn't have some long term binding contract that ceasing business violates they are not 'legally' responsible for the employees that these companies can no longer afford to pay because they don't have Google's business.

This article doesn't go into detail but I believe, even in China, it is OK to cease employment if your company goes under which is exactly what is going to happen to these companies since their business model was so flawed as to depend on a sole customer anyway. Whether the "in China" factor means that there are more severe ramifications for the terrible CEOs that run these organizations is another matter.

Here's another newflash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181130)

Those strikers don't work for Google. If anything, Google is the CONSUMER. This is like McDonald protesting because you decided to cook your own burgers.

Re:Newsflash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181184)

Chinese labor laws are actually closer to the rest of the world, in general the US is the one that is out of step. Australia/NZ and many european countries also implement similar labor laws (at least the ones I have dealings with do). Having said that I have never dealt with a country where I think the laws are right, the US Laws are too lax, Australia/china and the like are to strictly in favour of the employee.

Re:Newsflash (1)

euroq (1818100) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181424)

Labor laws generally differ from state to state, not at the federal (U.S.) level. For example, I know some people who were laid off in North Carolina that were paid for 6 months by the company. I think that's crazy... one of them didn't even bother looking for a job until 5 months later. On the other hand, in Georgia, you can be fired/laid off for almost no reason, for example "lack of work" (which does make plenty of sense most of the time). It is only an employer's generosity that they pay you ANY money after the day you are let go; the standard is 2 weeks, although the two times I have been laid off I was paid one month's salary.

Re:Newsflash (2, Interesting)

Korveck (1145695) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181202)

The hunger strikers are not Google employees. Labor laws would not apply to them. Their companies had contracts with Google. As far as I can tell, Google terminated the contracts lawfully. Google owes them nothing, but they are likely betting on generating some public pressure to force Google to "compensate" their "loss".

Re:Newsflash (3, Informative)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181484)

Your link discussed China's* sobering anti-layoff laws that make USA's at-will employment look like the joke it really is.

So looking beyond "ad resellers" and Google to the whole outsourcing deal, it's hard to see how laws against US companies layoffs are a problem today. It's here in the US that they can and have been aggressively shrinking forces, and over in Asia where they are growing, so it will be several years before they even think of shrinking, if US outsourcing doubiously ever reverses its growth.

Further, though there are tons of plants manufacturing and assembling stuff there, I thought they were Chinese-owned, so we won't be the ones doing the firing and the point is moot. For the giants who DO see a danger in Chinese land, they'll just do the sensible thing and open India centers like the rest of the world has been doing recently. I reckon India only seems to be used for coding and English-language phone support, so I've no idea about their manufacturing power.

But that's not our problem. The outsourcing will continue wherever it is linguistically and politically easier. Under recent signs of US prosperity, forced accretion has been obversed in US branches while headcounts rise in Asian branches. More power is going to India, Australia and the Philippines because it makes perfect sense to beancounters to avoid promoting American labor again, in spite of what that means to us here.

*Europe too, without additional detail.

Re:Newsflash (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181598)

Heh, I'm not even a lawyer and already realized US firms on Chinese ground will copy a US trick to avoid China's ad-hoc layoff prevention:

Stop growing and start sub-contracting new work/manufacturing to Chinese-owned firms. That eliminates the local contract bindings and allows thousands of ties to be cut by just severing one business relationship --without lowering your internal headcount.

As a bonus, report back to president Obama that 0 jobs were added outside the US and 100% (of 3 or 4 per month, but hey, percentages hide hard numbers) were inside.

Re:Newsflash (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181694)

Why do you believe you have the right to be overpaid for a job? Or that it's more moral to hire an American than someone in China? Simple racism?

Meanwhile, China has been losing jobs steadily, because they've much of it's growth has come from low-skilled manufacturing jobs, and those workers are being replaced by robots. Long term, even that's a great thing - no human should spend his days in mindless repetitive labor.

Want a job that will stay in the US? Do something that can only be done locally, or do something better than those who can work cheaper.

Honest question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34180968)

Forgive me my ignorance, but what on Adama's green Earth is an "ad reseller"?

Re:Honest question (2, Funny)

NF6X (725054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181000)

Whatever they are, I bet they get first class seating on the B-Ark.

Re:Honest question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181172)

Forgive me my ignorance, but what on Adama's green Earth is an "ad reseller"?

Someone who is in marketing and therefore expendable.

Re:Honest question (1)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181588)

purchase ad space in bulk and sell small parcels at markup? allows a manufacturer to outsource their sales/marketing department.

Good, hope they die (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181360)

Seriously, Google doesn't owe you a living, comrades.

Next time don't donate so much to Comrade Boehner's crusade.

Can someone explain the situation better? (1)

euroq (1818100) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181406)

I read the article and I read the letter. I didn't understand what the problem was. It sounded like Google had a contract with some people, and they terminated the contract under normal pretenses. Sort of like anyone contracted here is contracted for a "6+ month job", where the amount of time is somewhat loose, and eventually terminated. The employees were asking the founders of Google why they were being evil by letting the contract terminate. Is there something extra that Google did that I am not getting? Also, is the reason that the Chinese are so upset and calling them evil is that people don't get fired in China? They want $7 million dollars? They mention that there was no consultation beforehand, is that the evil part? I just don't see how losing a job turns into a hunger strike, instead of finding another job.

did it even dawn on them Google is having leaving? (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#34181614)

Were they all sleeping when Google moved over to Hong Kong for handling Chinese searches? It might be a bit of a problem for Google should they continue to sell ads in China running in this configuration and therefore they don't need those Chinese ad sales people.

It does seem strange to go on a hunger strike because you lost your job. It does solve the problem of finding ways to feed yourself though but even then, it can only be a short term solution.

LoB

Food for Thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34181656)

If only...

I just googled... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34182054)

..."starving chinese search companies" and got to see pics of the already starving chinese employees of search companies, starving themselves.

Someone put some adwords on that stat!

Contracts canceled for fraudulent clicks, maybe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34182158)

I worked in the pay-per-click ad world back in 2000-2003, Sprinks.com for those who remember, and I can tell you that a lot of fraudulent clicks came from resellers in China. How does one generate fraudulent clicks? Put a 1x1 img tag with the link as the src, instant click every time someone loads the page. Google bought Sprinks.com for a song and a dance, and I can say they had no idea how to stop fraudulent clicks and had no interest in to stop them, arrogant bastards. So, I'm not surprised Google suddenly cancels a whole bunch of contracts in an effort to stop hemorrhaging money to these shady businesses. The fact the Chinese companies are protesting gives me a clue that they're not on the up and up. If you are a value-add to a business you can make a business case.

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