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Court Returns Stolen Stargate MMO To Founder

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the chevron-six-encoded dept.

Crime 128

An anonymous reader writes "A Maricopa County Superior Court judge has ended a bitter dispute over control of a Mesa video game company's assets, effectively giving the online combat game Stargate Resistance and the long-delayed MMORPG Stargate Worlds back to Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment. Fresh Start tried to remove all of Cheyenne Mountain's assets from its offices on Feb. 24, but was prevented from doing so when the police arrived. Networking cords had been cut and left to hang loose, and PC cases were empty shells that had been gutted of components such as hard drives. But time may finally have run out for Worlds, Cheyenne Mountain's signature project: The ruling comes as MGM Studios has apparently terminated the license it granted in 2006 for the Arizona company to produce video games based on the Stargate movies and TV shows."

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128 comments

Damn... (2, Insightful)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185174)

My friend will be very sad today.

Re:Damn... (1, Funny)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185184)

Why, did his cat die?

Re:Damn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185282)

No, his daughter did.

Re:Damn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185308)

Nope, your mom just told him she has an STD.

Re:Damn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185322)

Just one...? So he'll be seriously upset to find out she's a liar?

Kinda slow, isn't he?

Re:Damn... (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185310)

He's a total Stargate Geek. For him, this whole thing was like an epic drama.

Re:Damn... (4, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185338)

Why, did his cat die?

Yes. Didn't you read the summary: "Networking cords had been cut and left to hang...".

All that cat5... sad, really.

Re:Damn... (2, Funny)

supertrinko (1396985) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185734)

Eli? Yes, he did play a lot of that MMO.

Re:Damn... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185802)

That was footage from this very MMO in the first episode of SGU by the way. They actually wrote something that resembled a game before imploding.

How they managed to hide the sabotage (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185226)

They simply claimed that the gutted computers had all been upgraded to Vista. To the casual observer there is very little difference between an empty case and a computer running Vista.

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185300)

They simply claimed that the gutted computers had all been upgraded to Vista. To the casual observer there is very little difference between an empty case and a computer running Vista.

Wrong. The empty case is much less annoying!

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185326)

They simply claimed that the gutted computers had all been upgraded to Vista. To the casual observer there is very little difference between an empty case and a computer running Vista.

Wrong. The empty case is much less annoying!

and slightly more functional

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185678)

Hey, that's a good one! Do you have any jokes about Daikatana?

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (5, Insightful)

XLazarusX (534555) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185738)

Love the ironic juxtaposition of your post and sig.

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185818)

s/casual observer/average user/
s/Vista/Linux

Actually, the really funny part is that you probably thought your post was somehow funny. I have to agree with the other reply, the irony of combining your post and your sig is just amazing.

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185942)

They should have left the network cards inside and claimed they were dumb terminals.

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (0, Troll)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185956)

But us computer professionals know there is a very big difference between an empty case and a computer running Vista: the empty case is far more secure!

Re:How they managed to hide the sabotage (1)

JohnRoss1968 (574825) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187618)

I was going to chide you fore being yet another windows basher on slashdot. But then I realized you were bashing Vista.

Misread the headline (2, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185254)

At first I thought the court had returned a stolen Stargate, not a stolen Stargate *MMO*. Which would have been much bigger news, that's for sure.

Re:Misread the headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185340)

At 6.7 Metres (Diameter) bigger news indeed.

conspiracy. (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185428)

It might have been a lawsuit about a real stargate and the control software for it, disguised as a game that will never finish.

Re:conspiracy. (2, Funny)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187336)

Then whatever secret the government is hiding behind Duke Nukem Forever must be truly terrifying.

Re:conspiracy. (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188924)

I'd say the secret is that DNF is the training program for employees of Xe (The Mercenary Company Formerly Known as Blackwater), focused as it is on wantonly brutalizing everything, engaging in wildly promiscuous and only theoretically consensual sexual conduct, using steroids to better smash opponents and generally being an epic-level asshole to everyone... but that would be much too obvious for a "secret".

Re:Misread the headline (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185456)

At first I thought the court had returned a stolen Stargate, not a stolen Stargate *MMO*. Which would have been much bigger news, that's for sure.

They must have set a transponder on it and beamed it up.

Re:Misread the headline (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187738)

not really, who said it had to be functional, though movie/tv props can bring a lot at auctions.

So stealing does pay. (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185316)

Not sure what Fresh Start Software's motive was, but if it was to block development of a Stargate videogame, they achieved their goal.

Re:So stealing does pay. (2, Interesting)

Compholio (770966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185580)

Not sure what Fresh Start Software's motive was, but if it was to block development of a Stargate videogame, they achieved their goal.

If one of the quotes from TFA is to be believed then my hypothesis would be that they are offended by Stargate's treatment of religion:

Whiting then expressed optimism that Dark Comet would end up returning Cheyenne Mountain’s assets to him. He compared his situation in the “hostile takeover” to that of Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark in the first Iron Man movie, but said the motives for it were personal and even religious.

Re:So stealing does pay. (3, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187318)

If one of the quotes from TFA is to be believed then my hypothesis would be that they are offended by Stargate's treatment of religion:

Whiting then expressed optimism that Dark Comet would end up returning Cheyenne Mountain’s assets to him. He compared his situation in the “hostile takeover” to that of Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark in the first Iron Man movie, but said the motives for it were personal and even religious.

In this field, that could be anything from which operating system they were using to which version of a storyline is canonical.

Re:So stealing does pay. (1)

Cyberblah (140887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188298)

No. There were allegations about Mr. Whiting that were made when things were getting rancorous. He's probably referring to those. Even if they were true, the people working for Cheyenne and who went on to form Fresh Start had much better reasons to leave long ago.

I know one engineer on the project who was a devote Christian and expressed some reservations about Stargate's idea of Ascension, but he acted sanely and left soon after they stopped paying him.

Re:So stealing does pay. (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185772)

Stargate video game? No, no, no! It is a FARGATE!

Re:So stealing does pay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187772)

Not Fargate, Wormhole X-Treme!

Re:So stealing does pay. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185888)

I worked for the company that Cheyenne Mountain originally licensed the engine for Stargate Worlds from. It seems that the farcical idiocy in that company went from the bottom to top, anyone with a shred of intelligence was judged as a threat and hastily fired. Any communication with that company started with us being blamed for their basic inability to design, manage or implement a computer game and any advice they were given was ignored. They eventually switched to Unreal, but unsurprisingly, they screwed that up too and blamed others for that also. In my experience, the founder of such companies is usually responsible for creating such a unproductive culture and that Whiting guy's comments ("I’m the brains behind this company. I’m the creative guy behind this company.") seem to confirm the image I had of a man devoid of any leadership ability or situational awareness. I have worked with arrogant old idiots who are full of "great ideas" and manage to get investment to make a computer game without knowing the slightest thing about the structure of a project or the people needed to complete it. I applaud "Fresh Start" software in its quest to turn that crippled pony into glue, as liquidation is the best thing for it. If you knew anything about the state of the project, you will know exactly why they did it, probably the only way to get their paychecks from the last few months.

Re:So stealing does pay. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187570)

I applaud "Fresh Start" software in its quest to turn that crippled pony into glue, as liquidation is the best thing for it. If you knew anything about the state of the project, you will know exactly why they did it, probably the only way to get their paychecks from the last few months.

You can't take someone's property just because they were managing it incompetently.

Re:So stealing does pay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34186624)

Well as the license has expired and now they cannot realistically release this game, it sounds like a clear case of irreparable harm.

Re:So hard work doesn't pay. (5, Informative)

Cyberblah (140887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188062)

I was gone by then, but based on what I know of the people who started it, Fresh Start's goal was to continue supporting a game they believed in. While still at Cheyenne, they completed and released Resistance quickly under terrible circumstances (circumstances that I fled), only to be betrayed by Gary Whiting with a bankruptcy filing the instant they brought the company its first revenue ever. Then they managed to form a company to continue supporting the game. They kept the servers up and even released new maps and improved some of the graphics assets.

This article is 100% Mr. Whiting's side of the story. While at Cheyenne I formed the opinion that he is a very shady individual, but I was pretty low on the totem pole, so I don't know what was really going on.

What I know for sure, however, is that Resistance would never have come out without the people behind Fresh Start, and it probably would have been completely unsupported from the moment of release (possibly unplayable, with the servers down) without the formation of Fresh Start. So I'm going to give them a pretty fucking big benefit of the doubt.

Oh, and based on the financial situation when I left, the people working for Fresh Start were probably getting paid next to nothing, if that much. So obviously "stealing" pays big time.

Crossover (1)

zounds011 (1935706) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185370)

My first thought: What could the Founders possibly have to do with a Stargate?

Then the parsing agent caught up. What a disappointment.

Re:Crossover (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186016)

Actually it was never disclosed but I believe the ring around DS9 was...in fact...A stargate. Sisko just never had Daniel Jackson to identify the last chevron. That and they already had a bad taste in their mouth from the things that came out of that darned wormhole.

Re:Crossover (4, Informative)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187800)

DS9 was based on an earlier script for Babylon 5. You can google the lawsuits but let's put it this way, Paramount lost the lawsuit so badly they had it sealed and were forced to show B5 trailers at Star Trek conventions. If you have any idea how anti anything not paramount those guys are, you know they got pounded flat by the judge.

(The version of B5 they had their hands on even had a shapeshifting security officer... )

I mourn the loss (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185398)

Star Trek was awesome in its day. Some will say that it still is. But what it had was not just a vision of the future, but a hope for the future. Star Wars gave us a new way look at things as well, but I can't say that it offered much more than intense entertainment. Stargate sought to engage the mind by tying old mysteries with new ones creating a galaxy and even a universe of awe and wonder that continued to expand beyond limits that were not imagined previously. Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Star Trek, Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, Firefly and others, but Stargate, while it did seem to run its course, maintained those qualities in intense amounts. Had greed, politics and myopia had not taken its destructive toll, the potential of Stargate could have set a new standard for the genre.

I mourn the loss... but it was lost long ago. We're just seeing the aftermath of some really crappy people.

Re:I mourn the loss (4, Insightful)

g4b (956118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185716)

Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon5, Firefly and others,

fixed that for you.

Re:I mourn the loss (2, Funny)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186554)

Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Raumpatrouille, Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon5, Firefly and others,

fixed that for you

Re:I mourn the loss (-1, Troll)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186612)

Battle Star Galactica -> Babylon5

How do you justify stating that BSG was a lesser scifi contribution than B5?

The re-imaged BSG was largely unique in the quality it portrayed. The acting was good, the characters were good, and the story was complex and interwoven. As all good science fiction does, current events and the human condition were examined, placing the characters in moral quandaries throughout the show. Religion, origins, etc. were explored while maintaining a reasonable level of scientific realism. Significantly, B5 had none of these things.

I will give you this, though: B5 had characters which surpassed all but the original Star Trek for cheesy costumes and personas. Nobody before or since (except in Star Trek) has achieved such a 2D feel. The plots, likewise, were quite similar, often seemingly of a sitcom nature.

Did I mention how bad the acting, characters, and plots were in B5? They might as well have disclosed "we wanted to make a Star Trek show but couldn't get licensing, so we changed Cardasians and the other races a bit and obscured things enough to not fetch the lawyers". Thanks, but I'd rather watch DS9.

Re:I mourn the loss (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187468)

(posting anon as I already modded)

FWIW B5 was the first science fiction show to have any kind of scientific realism when it comes to space battles, not to mention the fact that not all races had artifical gravity, hence the rotating station/ships. As for the story, B5 is about the only TV show to date, no matter what genre, with a well defined plot beforehand. The beginning, middle and end were all written before a single episode was filmed - due to issues with networks though, the fourth season feels very rushed, and the first half of the fifth is quite irrelevant. There are great episodes on the latter half though, Fall of Centauri Prime is one of my favourites of all seasons.

Compare this to the re-imagined BSG, where the Cylons might have had a plan, but it became very evident they weren't letting the writers in on it. After what was the lamest and literally the most deux ex machina ending ever that was the final episode I didn't think I could ever be as infuriated after watching a show (well, Lost proved me wrong, but I digress).

I'll grant that B5 certainly looks dated, and some of the acting is less than stellar (G'kar and Londo make totally up for it though in my opinion), but it certainly has been a much more influential series than BSG ever will, in promoting the whole "series as an arc"-concept beyond the realm of soap operas. BSG's contribution seems to be "despite a big budget, we can't afford camera stands".

Re:I mourn the loss (1, Flamebait)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188906)

Compare this to the re-imagined BSG, where the Cylons might have had a plan, but it became very evident they weren't letting the writers in on it. After what was the lamest and literally the most deux ex machina ending ever that was the final episode I didn't think I could ever be as infuriated after watching a show (well, Lost proved me wrong, but I digress).

What? That makes no sense at all, unless you're speaking literally, "the god from the machine". But you said that. However...

There was constant forward-reference to the eventual ending, starting with the very first episode of the miniseries. It becomes apparent when you watch the first episode a second time. There was nothing abrupt about any of it (though the 'selection' of the 'final 5' was seemingly not entirely planned out). "What will happen has happened before" with constant references to God ("the Cylon God") not being the same as the Gods, but being superior - and so on. If the ending was abrupt or out of place to you, you weren't paying attention to half the show.

(G'kar and Londo make totally up for it though in my opinion)

Egads. They were the least believable characters! What's next: a gurgling puddle of slime in the staring role?

Re:I mourn the loss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187558)

Oh yeah, forgot to add, no level of scientific realism [wikipedia.org] ? Where's the BSG equivalent?

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188980)

BSG has a number. They're not perfect, but it's a far cry better than anything else out there that's worth watching.

For instance, the Raptor ships have lateral burn thrusters for turning/maneuvering. (You can see this throughout the show if you're paying attention.) There are a couple 'ring ships' in the fleet. Weapons are mass drivers (guns), not stupid "energy pulse weapons". "Faster than light" space travel is plausible per the laws of physics. There are very real 'space' requirements, like air, material supply, etc. which play an integral part in the show.

Re:I mourn the loss (3, Interesting)

g4b (956118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187572)

Well, opinions stay opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I am a very open person, but reading BSG next to the other (really great) shows made me shiver.

You are right, some actors were very bad in B5 - but some were genius (Katsulas, e.g.).
Well this mostly also has to do with budget.

Also, the storyarcs of B5 are still one of the best writings (in terms of WRITING) for any space opera, creating a very epic feeling until the show unfolds into season 5. Many things could have been done better, but we can tell that about every sci-fi show. I do not talk about Crusader or most of the silly movies.

It was an experiment to slightly plan forward 5 Seasons of story and holding that promise, unveiling things which were planted seasons before. Some things of course did not work without some patchwork, like the unexpected change of captains and their meaning being "the one" in season 2/3.
You do not have this in DS9 until S3. (I love both shows)

To the question, which came first: It is very likely that Paramount used Straczynski's ideas to influence or even develop DS9 (since they had his first 22 episodes as writing already in '89), however Straczynski never wanted to sue them. You can read about that on wikipedia.

Scientific ideas about how ships, stations, weapons, governments and societies work were very well made in B5. The choice to focus on 4 races was a good one. Of course, it was heavily LotR influenced storytelling, but it worked out.

BSG on the other hand was sometimes terrible to watch - too much obvious but claiming-to-be-very-philosophical dialogues (the philosophical questions thrown up in a sci-fi-show should be between the lines), too much new age hypertheories, terrible nausea while watching space scenes, and again only a few actors were good - however none were as terrible as some in B5, I must admit.

BSG deserves its credit to be a fine show. But it does not deserve to stand beside Firefly, Star Trek or Star Wars at all. B5 in my opinion does.
I would add it to the second bestest, where Stargate Atlantis, Farscape, Earth2 and so on can be found.

Well and there is Andromeda. We can agree about that one, I hope.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

Kabloink (834009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187582)

Oh come on, admit it. You watched BSG for the boobs.

Re:I mourn the loss (0, Flamebait)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34189138)

That's certainly how it started! And what nice boobs they were.

One episode in and I was hooked, though.

I didn't watch BSG, Firefly, Dollhouse, and hell, even Stargate, until they were almost done showing/were done showing (BSG - started watching S1 when S6 was showing; SG1, started @ season 1 when S9 or so was on TV). Why? Because I'd avoided them, thinking they were in the same class of shlock as B5 and Andromeda: horrible acting, worse props and races, and abhorent writing which focused on things which were so detached from anything relateable or real to throw it firmly into "fantasy" (eg. alien races, which look like us, talk like us, and generally behave much as we do).

I strongly disagree on the 'philosophical stuff not belonging in scifi' point. Strongly - and so did Isaac Asimov, who arguably helped create Science Fiction. Philosophy, and the meaning of life, is an important emphasis within all (good, true) scifi. The "science" is merely a plot device, and to get hung up on it for the telling of the story is, IMO, as shortsighted as going into a strip club to drink. (Sure, they've got liquor there, but that's not why you go to the strip club. Not that I do, or anything.)

BSG is horribly slow and dull if you overlook the 'human' and philosophical elements of BSG, though. I'll grant you that.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188366)

BSG was a soap opera -- just with people wearing space costumes. When B5 was over I felt that I had watched the characters grow over the last five years. BSG gave me characters that I couldn't care for.

Re:I mourn the loss (2, Interesting)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34189166)

B5 gave you characters who you wanted to be.

BSG gave real characters, all of which with their faults and strengths. Most of them (like most people) were unsavory to one degree or another, but

Saul Tye, I disliked for the first several seasons. By the end, he was one of my favorites. Giaius Baltar was an outrageously unsavory character at the beginning, but by the end I could at least understand him, somewhat (even if I didn't "like" him, I could understand him.) The Chief is a 'constant' throughout the show, but he grows on your like a close friend; Adm. Adama, like a father. The opposite can be said for Kara Thrace.

Re:I mourn the loss (2, Interesting)

ultranova (717540) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188858)

As all good science fiction does, current events and the human condition were examined, placing the characters in moral quandaries throughout the show.

No, all good science fiction does not examine current events, the human condition, or moral quandaries. In fact I'd be thankful if less scifi writers felt the need to do so, especially since most of them aren't very good at it and even those who are tend to let the requirements of such examinations dictate the plot and the setting.

I'd much rather see more examinations of possible futures and advanced super-tech.

Religion, origins, etc. were explored while maintaining a reasonable level of scientific realism. Significantly, B5 had none of these things.

Well, not much anyway, and that was its best feature. The parts that did examine them tended to be cringeworthy, just like they usually are anywhere.

Re:I mourn the loss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188802)

Since this is all subjective/opinion anyway, I'll add mine.

Babylon 5 was crap.

I liked the setting and the overall plot, but some of the characters were just so corny and ridiculous that I couldn't stand them (John Sheridan especially). Not to mention that in the final season the whole story basically ended and then they dragged out the series for more episodes.

But that's just how I felt about it. To each their own :)

Re:I mourn the loss (0)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185996)

Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!

It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (4, Insightful)

name_already_taken (540581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186214)

Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!

Oh come on.

To be fair, Star Wars, BattleStar Galactica, Firefly, Babylon 5, Dr. Who, Space: 1999, and a host of other shows all featured those characteristics.

It's not because the shows' makers were unimaginative, it's because they are television shows.

It's difficult to find actors who don't look like humans; audiences in the countries where these shows were produced mainly understand only English (there are no native Klingon speakers, no matter how many nerds learn the Klingon language); and sex keeps stupid people watching the show, helping the ratings. Ok, Dr. Who hasn't featured much, if any, sex, but that's because it was a BBC production aimed at families.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

novium (1680776) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186666)

Firefly didn't *have* any aliens, so none of those seem to apply, except 'everyone looking human'...because they were.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186678)

There was sex in Stargate? Heck, even Vala's pregnancy was through some manner of immaculate conception (Adria's birth was probably not a virgin birth, though).

The closest thing would have been the original pilot (full frontal nudity), but the directors/producers never quite liked that scene and chopped it from the re-cut version.

Data and Tasha Yar getting it on was far more blatant as far as 'sex' goes.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188036)

There was sex in Stargate?

yea, basically everyone was getting it on..

O'Neill and Sam were doing it since the first season

Sam was naked in several episodes

Rodney kept having sex fantasies about Sam

Daniel kept falling in love with bush babes on nearly every planet

Teal'c had a wife, left her then hooked up with Ishta

Vala was trying to hump anything that moved

On Atlantis Rodney was boinking Dr Keller

Teyla got knocked up out of wedlock

I think there was a lot of sex on Stargate...

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34189010)

Wow, you're wrong on every point. Sam and Jack never had sex. Sam was never naked in any episode. Teal'c wife was long dead when he met Ishta. Telya's people didn't have the same concept of "marriage" that we have so "wedlock" is meaningless. Your other comments are too idiotic to respond to.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

ebuck (585470) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186854)

Dr. Who didn't have out-and-out sex, but name one of his assistants that wasn't "hot". To juxtapose, try to imagine Mrs. Marple being the Dr.'s sidekick.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187448)

Well, I can't speak for you, but K-9 doesn't do it for me.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (3, Funny)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187536)

Dr. Who didn't have out-and-out sex, but name one of his assistants that wasn't "hot". To juxtapose, try to imagine Mrs. Marple being the Dr.'s sidekick.

I can think of one [wikipedia.org] - but then again I guess it's what "floats your boat".

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188006)

There have been several companions that aren't even vaguely sexy (unless you've got strange tastes), and until the new series, the Doctor hadn't even kissed anyone. Probably the sexiest companion was Leela of the Sevateem. You could describe her as a very bright but primitive jungle jane in animal skin outfit with miniskirt. (Ok, not a really good description of her costume, but it's close enough.) It didn't even have bared midriff. By today's standards, it's rather freaking tame.

Sex was something the old series tried to avoid for the most part. As to most of the companions being attractive, name one tv show that has the majority of main characters that are ugly. Kind of hard, isn't it. TV tends to have attractive people because they have better ratings, even if they don't go for any sex games.

If you actually want some info on the companions, especially to find those you don't think are 'hot', then start with the list at:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_companions

(The old series had 9 companions that were male, and 3 that were robotic, the new series has had 5 male companions, and I don't think anybody has ever gotten excited by the Brigadier in the old series, or Wilfred in the new series.)

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187614)

I should also point out that Doctor Who doesn't fall under "everyone speaks English" - actually everyone/everything speaks their own language and the Doctor and his companions are able to comprehend them due to an aspect of the TARDIS [wikia.com] . Admittedly that's a huge deus ex machina to get around the issue, but at least they made the effort to explain it. I'd also say that, since it's return in 2005, it no longer falls foul of "Everyone looks human", although admittedly a fair few of the alien races are still humanoid. And they dumped all the sex into Torchwood.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188368)

There are a few instances in the new series where aliens seem to either speak or write in English with no TARDIS present to translate.

Re:It's just a tv show! They're all just tv shows! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34189226)

The cannon establishes the following:

- The Doctor speaks just about every language worth speaking. There are some he doesn't. This is because he is nine hundred years old and the produce of an exceptionally strict system of education.

- The Tardis, via a telepathic link to the Doctor, via it's own database or via telepathic link to the speaker, translates for all those who travel or have traveled within it: They percieve themselves speaking their native language, but the TARDIS is actually fiddling in their brain, translating on the fly without them realising it. The range of this ability is enough to cover an entire planet. This also works for written text. It will not work only if the speaker is conciously choosing which language to speak - in which case, effects can be unpredictable. Yes, the TARDIS itsself has a telepathic interface. The Master demonstrated this once by hacking it to make the Doctor speak everything backwards.

For handy reference, regarding other shows: Star trek had all ships fitted with a universial translator, carrying a huge linguistic database. Babylon 5 simply had everyone learn a common language - justified by half the cast being ambassadors, and the others working in the space equivilent of the UN. Even so, some aliens used translation devices. Stargate has... nada. Nope. Nothing. Zilch. Everyone speaks english with no explanation given ever, and they all understand perfectly. For some reason this applies only to spoken language - written languages vary hugely, and must be painstakeingly learned the hard way. The show's producers have acknowledged this oddity, but point out that it's really hard to explore strange new worlds when you can't speak to anyone. Finally, Farscape had the translator microbes, which were inspired by the Babel Fish of HHGTG, itsself created in a mocking acknowledgement of the way language issues were overlooked in sci-fi for the sake of an easier story.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186310)

Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!

And Stargate (SG1 anyway) was different how?

Trek:

1)They sort of handwaved this with The Chase, but in most cases it was just hat/nose of the week.

2)U.T., though that doesn't excuse it working right away.

3)Why not?

Stargate:

1)Frankly panspermia seems more likely than humans evolving independently twice.

2)No excuse at all, but it could be argued that subject races would probably speak the Goa'uld tongue.

3)Most of the aliens are either non-humanoid or genderless so this doesn't really apply.

They're both TV shows with limited budgets (makeup), sex sells and watching a bunch of people learn each other's language wouldn't make good TV.

Re:I mourn the loss (3, Interesting)

powerlord (28156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188774)

Personally, the series that tried the "hardest" on aliens being alien was Farscape.

Farscape:

1) Bi-pedal humanoid seemed common, but a) the makeup for those bipedal humanoids sometimes got rather intense. b) they weren't always humanoid (Pilot for instance) and c) motivations weren't always similar (just 'cause it looked mostly "human" didn't mean it was, and vice-versa). (well, and d) explaining why the most human aliens DID look that way, and that was part of the plot ... but we had to wait for the movie to fill in the last season of story).

2) They explained it away in Episode 1 (think Babel-Fish), and even came back to the idea a few times (with 'us' the audience seeing how things sounded "naturally").

3) Sex is one thing, procreation is another.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

Raumkraut (518382) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186376)

1) Explained in TNG that a single humanoid race had "seeded" the galaxy with its likeness IIRC.
2) Universal translator, duh. Have you even seen the shows?
3) Isn't that just racism (speciesism?) on your part? Since, as you have already observed, the aliens are almost all physiologically similar to humans.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

drainbramage (588291) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187144)

You wonder why the aliens looked human and spoke English?
Come on, think of the process:
You go to the casting call, read for the part.....
How many ugly non English speakers would make it past that?
As for the sex, well, some aliens will do anything to get on stage.

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186030)

Star Trek:TNG is still my favorite sci-fi series, I watch whenever I notice it's on BBCA or Syfy.

Re:I mourn the loss (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34186460)

Stargate blew. All of its plots refer to ancient structures and cultures, saying "aliens did it". When one gets old and tired, they get out a new culture, and label it with "aliens did it," and move on, as if they've done something clever. And the things they refer to? They aren't "mysteries." We know who built the pyramids, and why, and when, and largely how.

What it was was bland, generic scifi fit for mass consumption. It lacked the campy retro appeal of the original run of Star Trek, lacked the talented writers of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and lacked the production values of Battlestar Galactica.

They tried, too little, too late, to stop hemorrhaging viewers, by adding continuity, villains that looked like Twilight rejects, and lots and lots of big, but generally poorly executed space battles, but it was too little, too late. They managed two spinoffs. One was the same crap recycled, except set in a new location. The other was quite different from the rest of the series, which some might call "ballsy" or "daring", but those people would be idiots. Stargate: Universe is trying very hard to be Battlestar Galactica, but isn't quite managing it.

To sum up, a quote attributed (probably falsely) to Samuel Johnson, "It is both good and original. But the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good."

Re:I mourn the loss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187930)

The other was quite different from the rest of the series, which some might call "ballsy" or "daring", but those people would be idiots. Stargate: Universe is trying very hard to be Battlestar Galactica, but isn't quite managing it.

Eh, SGU is consistently better than most of BSG. BSG is half filler. Who cares about Tom Zarek? Nobody, and yet they focus on him for something like 8 episodes. The show lost steam after some of the Cylons made a truce with the humans. The "Final Five" idea was good, until you find out that their mission was to

1. Infiltrate the military
2. ?
3. Profit

I watched it and liked it, but it has glaring problems.

Re:I mourn the loss (2, Interesting)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186672)

Had greed, politics and myopia had not taken its destructive toll, the potential of Stargate could have set a new standard for the genre.

I can't speak to the "greed and greed", but Stargate did set a "new standard" for the genre, to some degree. The show ran for a decade with (mostly) the same cast throughout. They were able to sustain essentially the same format for that entire time, without degrading the quality too substantially, and introduce new content throughout.

Granted, this only really works with episodic fiction, but they still managed to maintain a degree of continuity and character progression from season to season (and episode to episode). Contrast that to ST:TNG, where by the 3rd or so season, things were starting to get a bit dull and repetitive.

nw BSG is not a future (1)

chronoss2010 (1825454) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188422)

its a nightmare and one that can be prevented by 500 years form now all mankind will in fact be machines...no more individuality. B5 form the human perspective ( with the ships and tech) is at least plausible , vorlon organic tech ...who knows. Star wars is a soap opera in space, hence the term space opera.... star trek was about and is still about the human condition and issues of today as given by a sci fi perspective. ( DS9 = bad ) firefly probably portrays the most realistic approach so far to day and is prolly how it will be for centuries as we expand UNTIL we do reach other civs thousands of years from now

Re:I mourn the loss (1)

IronChef (164482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188838)

What I liked a lot about Stargate SG-1 (and really the whole franchise) is that it showed Earth growing from the pre-spaceflight era into a major power. Along the way, we even learned to cooperate among ourselves. The Stargate program became an international effort. It was a like a Roddenberry hope for the future... but with more action. :)

In the very first episode, the Stargate is a forgotten relic under a tarp in a military facility... by the last episode Earth forces are fighting off alien demigods in ships we built ourselves.

Lots of other SF shows have had good, long story arcs but I think Stargate is unique in showing so much "future history" unfolding. I really miss it.

What a story... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185434)

First, I'd never heard of somebody so literally stealing intellectual property.

Second, why is it that whenever I read of a flagrant disregard of the basic protocols of human interaction and the law, it seems to involve the phrase, "Maricopa County".

Finally, "they left the network cords to hang" (spins up and Hulks out): "WHAT KIND OF A MAN LYNCHES AN ETHERNET CABLE!"

Re:What a story... (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186868)

Second, why is it that whenever I read of a flagrant disregard of the basic protocols of human interaction and the law, it seems to involve the phrase, "Maricopa County".

Maybe because the head lawman of that county, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, is himself a notorious criminal...

who owns Fresh Start? (4, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185458)

Breaking in, stealing components, gutting computers. Who's the CEO over? Joe Arpaio's little brother?

Re:who owns Fresh Start? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185980)

Sorry you got modded "Troll". I'm from AZ, and I thought it was funny!

Re:who owns Fresh Start? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34186738)

Summary of TFA (I know, /. and all):

New (?) board of directors fire company founder.
Board of directors create new company, hire existing employees.
Existing employees gut the physical assets of company 2 weeks after filing for bankruptcy protection (a period in which no creditor may seize any assets)
Court reinstalls founder as CEO.
Founder / CEO sees the physical assets gone, calls police.
Police put an end to rape and pillage (okay, the pillage part, anyway).
CEO files suit to retrieve assets and IP.
License to publish game based on missing assets and IP expires.
Court gives assets back to original owner.

I hate Journalists (2, Funny)

Herkum01 (592704) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185736)

They won a court decision and got something from someone else. Is there a limit on the number of characters in their keyboard? Is it too much trouble to even research the story to find out what is going on? It is like watching the last 5 minutes of "Iron Man" and going WTF? Who is the good guy, Stark because he won, or because he blows up stuff?

This is why I hate to read the article, I am hoping some /. poster is going to do the work of posting the back history. The thing the "journalist" did not do.

Re:I hate Journalists (1)

Saib0t (204692) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185882)

I'm with you there. I read the blurb here, then read the article, and I still can't figure out who did what to whom. Idiot journalists... If anyone cares to explain, that'd be much appreciated.

Re:I hate Journalists (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34185902)

Have you read the linked articles? The whole affair is a clusterfuck of people, companies, real and intellectual property, law suits and whatnot. I dare you to make any sense of it!

When I read the summary, I was like "Oh nice, a Stargate MMO, let's find out more about it and the story!". After having RTFA and another it linked to, I was like "WTF, I need a dozen organigrams and flowcharts just to keep up with what's going on! I don't even care anymore!"

Re:I hate Journalists (1)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186276)

Clusterfuck is a very good term for it. I knew some people who worked there and it was just insane. Towards the end employees went months without getting paid, some left for greener pastures which was complicated by the economic meltdown occurring at the time. Others kept grinding away on a project they had already put so many hours into, supported by savings or spouses employed elsewhere.

Once again the Stargate IP continues to prove it's cursed.

Re:I hate Journalists (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187684)

Have you read the linked articles? The whole affair is a clusterfuck of people, companies, real and intellectual property, law suits and whatnot. I dare you to make any sense of it!

Whereas it's a journalist's job to make sense of it. Not just say, here's a bunch of links, go knock yourself out, I'm off to the pub.

Re:I hate Journalists (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186090)

Wow, yeah. Don't bother trying to hit the related stories links form the main article either. They're just as poorly written. I can't tell who did what ,when. As I now ( probably incorrectly ) understand, there was a company Cheyenne mountain that was developing a video game, they may have gone bankrupt. Other companies emerged from the dust out of former employees and inverters ( dark comet), Having access to Cheyenne studios, they just took stuff and the project itself for a small amount of money, with out the authorization of Cheyenne. Cheyenne then sued and won, not before dark star pretty much trashed the stuff dark comet had stolen.

That's my best guess. Either that or it was Col Mustard in the study with the rope.

Re:I hate Journalists (4, Informative)

Kagato (116051) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186172)

From reading the linked articles it seems like Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment was in Chap 11. Then someone (maybe a group of investors?) illegally sold the assets of the company to the new gaming companies for $100,000. It appears the court said that action was illegal both in terms of procedure and perhaps value as well. The motives are where the real dirt is, and I suspect you're not going to get a straight answer on that until after all the lawsuits are settled.

Re:I hate Journalists (2, Informative)

sabt-pestnu (967671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188584)

It's even stranger, in that Gary Whiting, had ANOTHER company, Garvick Properties, LLC that went bankrupt. Due to Whiting's shenanigans, "Cheyenne Mountain Games, Inc" (a subsidiary of "Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, Inc") got dragged into the bankruptcy. As near as I can tell, that caused the subsidiary to go bankrupt too.

Meanwhile, Tim Jensen, one time president of Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment got caught by the SEC trying to move assets between two OTHER companies he owned/controlled. He's the one accused of orchestrating asset transfer in THIS case, too. Apparently the courts agreed in some fashion, since they forced the return of the assets. (Jensen is also accused of "Stalling Stargate Worlds for years", but it doesn't really sound like it was ready for prime time anyway....)

The articles (as a whole) are real hazy about divisions between CM Games and CM Entertainment, which might well reflect some ambiguity on the ground.

Pitty - it was a good game (3, Interesting)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 3 years ago | (#34185964)

I was in the early alpha and beta testing of Worlds, as I had a friend at Cheyenne Mountain. It was the first MMO I actually liked. It was a little buggy, but the game was almost done when bankruptcy hit. This was complicated by some freeze being put on the accounts where, even though the money was there, they were not able to pay their employees. Shoot, the game was in Beta, there were just a few bugs to work out, the server farms were going online - the game was pretty much READY - and the inside word was that they were weeks (about two months) from going live. Quite sad what became of it.

Re:Pitty - it was a good game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34186156)

I completely disagree. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about to be totally honest - I was also involved in the testing for this game and it was far from finished. When the testing ended at the end of last year we had seen only the starting zone for two of the groups of players out of the 6 total - and that's literally it. Forget mid game content, forget end game, literally the "starting town" for the two human factions. The game was riddled with bugs and fundamental flaws in the combat system. It was a very very long way from completion. Inside word might have been two months from going live, but if that's true then that just speaks to the utter delusion of those involved in developing it.

Re:Pitty - it was a good game (1)

malakai (136531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186318)

Let's all agree that pretty much any MMO, once released, is still 2-3 years away from completion.

If these guys were going bankrupt before even selling pre-orders, they were already FUBAR'd.

Re:Pitty - it was a good game (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187470)

After being featured in WarGames: The Dead Code, there's no way in hell I'd buy this game. Hint to developers: make sure if you sign a product placement deal, the movie won't suck shit.

Re:Pitty - it was a good game (1)

sabt-pestnu (967671) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188716)

Employee wages are a priority claim in a bankruptcy, second only to Secured claims. IANAL, but they could well have been cooking their books somewhat. Had I been an employee with them, I would have taken a sharp eye to the bankruptcy court. As a creditor, you'd have that right.

OTOH, "two months from going live" might have been the same sort of readiness that Stargate: Resistance had, when it was shoved out the door bare weeks before bankruptcy was declared. IE "two months and holding".

Glad, though, to know what became of the game. Saw the ads on TV, thought it was imminent, then ... nothing.

Well crap.. (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186238)

I was really looking forward to trying out the Stargate MMO.

I'm sure the Founder will be pleased (1)

Cloud K (125581) | more than 3 years ago | (#34186270)

Though I'm not sure what a Changeling wants with an MMO anyway when they have half the galaxy to play with.

Oh wait, wrong "Star" series...

friSt 5top (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34186426)

the resignation is 3yiNg. Fact: by simple fucking

Stargate MMO - Hah! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187706)

Forget that old plagaristic Stargate MMO lame-ass-ity - Fringeworthy MMO FTW!!!

It's coming bi'ches!!

Seriously though a free MMO where Gates lead to new persistent server worlds - where user content servers are allowed - and could even contain parallel universes or lead back/forward in time - THAT is the future WoW Killer!

(and hardcore role-players could opt-in to allowing characters to permanently die - and worlds permanently change - based on real player actions)

I say - Make it So!

Games? Meh. (1)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188660)

I would just like to see SG-1 or Atlantis back on air..

Someone explain this (1)

iSzabo (1392353) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188666)

TFA uses 'it' so many times between 3 companies I have no idea what's going on. It sounds like a kindergarten argument over possession of a sandbox - where the sandbox is assets and IP.

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