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Google Asks Users To Complain Against Facebook

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the battle-of-the-billions dept.

Facebook 218

dkd903 writes "A kind of war has been going on recently between Facebook and Google over a contact export issue. First, Google blocked Facebook access to the Gmail contacts API. To this, Facebook responded back with a new method to get Gmail contacts of a user (the download contacts option). And now Google has slapped back again at Facebook and asks users indirectly to file a data protectionism complaint against Facebook. When a Facebook user clicks on the Download Your Contacts button on the 'Facebook import contact via Gmail' page, the user is then redirected to a new page on Google's server, which looks something like this..." Can I just say that watching this is absolutely hysterical?

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Suck it up Zuck. (5, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187596)

yeah zuckerberg. suck it up. you rode on the web culture getting to where you are. you cannot just go protectionist on us and become a control freak. share data, as others share data with you.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187636)

This whole Google/Facebook thing is just yet another example of how greed directly impacts user experiences.

I just wish they would get their pissing match done with and play nice. Seriously. This isn't doing ANYONE any good.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187674)

No worse than trying to watch TV with huge scrolling banners over it whining about how this station won't renew their contract, superimposed by the cable company over the station's huge scrolling banner whining about how the cable company is screwing them.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (3, Insightful)

guybrush3pwood (1579937) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187760)

It's not doing any harm, either, since facebook is useless. So don't be mean and let the children play...

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (5, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187882)

Yeah. By the way, it's incredible how much you can speed the average page by adblocking facebook.com and fbcdn.net -- at least on a decent browser (Firefox, sadly not Chrome (yet?)). It's scary how big a percentage of pages bear Facebook and Twatter widgets. Heck, even Slashdot has several icons next to every single damn comment -- everyone I know, even including people who use Facebook, adblock these too which shows how annoying they are.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (4, Insightful)

pspahn (1175617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187996)

Heck, even Slashdot has several icons next to every single damn comment

News to me. I don't see any icons.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188116)

had no idea, been using adblock for ages now

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188294)

Heck, even Slashdot has several icons next to every single damn comment -

Wat

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (4, Insightful)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188274)

Actually this is doing me a great deal of good since I know my contact information will not be floating on facebook from g-mail users

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188342)

I just wish they would get their pissing match done with and play nice. Seriously. This isn't doing ANYONE any good.

They may be doing it for entirely selfish reasons, but the fact of the matter is that Google are bringing forward the argument about open access to one's data.

Many thousands of people who's eyes would glaze over at the mere mention of open document formats or API interoperability are being told in no uncertain terms that their data will be trapped by a non-open service, and that this can lead to bad things further down the line.

Now if only Google considered it profitable to make a similar stand against those manufacturers who decide to treat the end user as an adversary in terms of access to their own device, we might really get somewhere.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188566)

While interesting - in the end, it won't prevent me from getting my data off GMail, and facebook cannot/will not supplant GMail, so it can't actually make me lose access to my data.

If it were another email provider, I would be a bit worried, but as of yet, not so much.

What worries me, is that FB asks for my email address and password with stuff like that. Seriously, it's sad that people are dumb enough to give 3rd parties their site login/pass.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188408)

I just can't stand it when people make these "everybody get along" type statements..

You know, without measuring the merit of either side of the argument, and just taking the hippie approach doesn't do any good. The fact is, Google is defending the users by placing a small optional embargo against facebook in hopes that facebook will do something nice for users- and yes, for google as well.

In other words, it can do good for somebody.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (5, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188462)

Really? It does me good.

I'm sick of getting facebook invites because some fool with my address in his address book decided to upload the entire list to facebook, without so much as a "by your leave".

My address(s) live quietly in lots of people's google contacts and I get no spam at all from that. Yet ONE person uploads that to facebook and facebook themselves start spamming me, followed in rapid succession by pill pushers and foreign diplomats, dethroned princes, and ousted former heads of state, all with lots of money they want to share with me.

I fail to see the greed tie in here.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (4, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187660)

Actually, he/they are successfully doing just that because most users don't know or care . This is an interesting move on Google's part, in that it actually increases awareness. Still, that being said, I suspect the average response would be [for those who bother to read it and don't just find the easiest way to click through - the typical response to *any* 'helpful interferences'] "Um, ok. Why would I want to to take my facebook info somewhere else? It's facebook."

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (4, Informative)

bhagwad (1426855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187712)

If you want to register a complaint, here is the page where Google allows you to do so: http://www.google.com/mail/help/contacts_export_confirm.html [google.com]

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187834)

First, that's in TFA (if that qualifies as an "article") itself. Second, see my other comment on this article -- what good does this do? Submits an anonymous complaint to Facebook - I'm sure that'll fix them right up!

If you want them to change, get a few million people to stop using Facebook until they do. Unless that happens, it's entirely up to what FB is willing to do in the name of good PR.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (5, Insightful)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187934)

In fact, Google is doing a very good thing by aggravating Facebook.

Consider the stupidity of giving Facebook your email username and password, so that Facebook can log in to your email account as you, and scrape all your contact info. (While they are at it, why don't they get your emails too...) They've conned people into doing just that.

If you have any contact with a Gmail account user, Facebook gets your email address when the user sheepishly turn over their contact list to Facebook to automatically 'find friends'. If Facebook didn't already amass data on unwilling non-users (thanks to picture tags and such), they now have a wealth of email information about who knows who. And don't forget, their profit model is selling your privacy.

Google should make it possible to permanently blacklist your email address from its 'export' feature through a web form, even if you have a non-gmail address, so that your gmail 'friends' can't offer up your email address out of their contact lists to third parties.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188564)

Dear god thank you. mod parent up infinity.
"consider the stupidity of giving facebook your email username and password."
I repeat it. please everyone stop, and read it again.
"consider the stupidity of giving facebook your email username and password."

i am bothered by two distinct concepts.
1) it is so, so, so stupid. i live in a world of stupid. yet i must sometimes sit down, put my feet up, and wipe my furrowed brow just to conceive how completely ignorant an organism would have to be to do this. nothing in the animal kingdom could be this dumb and survive more than a few generations.
2) it is so, so, so common. yes, i know, most people are stupid. it's just that this is more than most. it's so many people.

this is one of the very few datapoints that makes me wish it were legal to forcibly sterilize people.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (2, Insightful)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188574)

I totally agree with what you say.

Facebook does know a lot of stuff about a lot of people, and I totally understand that it can piss the Slashdot crowd off.

BUT, Google knows a lot more stuff about a lot more people.

For example, Facebook knows which kind of Pizzas I prefer and which skateboard videos I like to share, but that's about it.

On the other hand, Google :
- can read my e-mails
- can look at my calendar
- knows my bank account number
- knows my address and my telephone number. Ditto my girlfriend's, my parents', my friends'.
- knows what I buy on Ebay/Amazon (thanks to confirmation e-mails)
- knows what I look for on the Internet
- knows which RSS feeds I'd like to read, and which I actually read.

I'd like to see them display a big "WARNING" page next time I log in to one of their services, just so that they can explain me what exactly they're doing with my data, why I should care and why I could think I don't like it.

Until then, they're just being a bunch of hypocrites, and use this "Don't be evil" & "Oh noes! Facebook doesn't let you export your data" to maintain their monopoly on screwing with the world data.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188188)

You miss the part where fb balances on the edge of privacy laws. If some company shares private information with. Other company, they must do lots of paper work or they break the law. Why this can't be applied to people. If somebody knows my email address, they must get my permission before submiting it to third party. Third party can't spam me with invites to use their services.

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188220)

Actually, he/they are successfully doing just that because most users don't know or care . This is an interesting move on Google's part, in that it actually increases awareness. Still, that being said, I suspect the average response would be [for those who bother to read it and don't just find the easiest way to click through - the typical response to *any* 'helpful interferences'] "Um, ok. Why would I want to to take my facebook info somewhere else? It's facebook."

Yes, the noobs moved on the Internet.

I Did What They Told Me To! (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187794)

yeah zuckerberg. suck it up. you rode on the web culture getting to where you are. you cannot just go protectionist on us and become a control freak. share data, as others share data with you.

Google told me to complain to Facebook so I did. Then all my friends asked me why I was posting images of child porn on my Facebook wall. So I went back to Google and complained about that and now a Google van slowly circles my house twenty four hours everyday. I went on Google maps to look at my house but there's just an image of a smoldering crater and a Jolly Roger. I logged back on to Facebook and Zuckerberg had killed my farmer and was raping my livestock as the fields burned.

I'm scared. I don't think I'll get in the middle of this kinda stuff next time. You can have all my data locked up, I just want my Farmville to be okay! Why, piggy, why!? I loveded you, I loveded you piggy!

Re:I Did What They Told Me To! (0, Offtopic)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188104)

Oh I *so* wish I had mod points today. I just about died laughing.

Re:I Did What They Told Me To! (1)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188314)

I guess its funny from a certain perspective....below ground....

moar mod points (-1, Offtopic)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188152)

for parent. i posted in this discussion.

Re:I Did What They Told Me To! (1)

funaho (42567) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188278)

+10 for the Invader ZIM reference ;)

Re:Suck it up Zuck. (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188486)

I agree with you, funny how when asked to share HIS info to help gmail get cross platform visibility like his facebook is doing importing gmail info, were turned down....but then again, after seeing the movie, this guy likes to steal alot!

Been There Before (0, Offtopic)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187616)

Three hundred people called. They want the stuff back that Microsoft swiped and then locked in proprietary formats.

Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187624)

Can I just say that watching his is absolutely hysterical?

No.

Re:Answer (1)

OakDragon (885217) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187920)

Can I just say that watching his is absolutely hysterical?

His what?

Re:Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187962)

it was a typo in the summary, is fixed now.

Go Google! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187648)

I'm glad that Google is doing this. In fact, I think Google is being too kind to Facebook.

Great. I'm doing it now (4, Informative)

bhagwad (1426855) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187672)

Just registered a complaint. This is the right thing to do. People and corporations must be made aware that they have no right to hang on to user's personal data without giving them the choice to export it in an easy and convenient way.

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (4, Interesting)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187768)

Just registered a complaint. This is the right thing to do. People and corporations must be made aware that they have no right to hang on to user's personal data without giving them the choice to export it in an easy and convenient way.

The question is, what did registering a complaint do? Your name and email are not attached, so what good, exactly, is that complaint supposed to do except allow google to say "X number of users complained about your unfair practices, so there!" Oh, wait - it goes to Facebook. Who has already demonstrated that it doesn't really care about this issue... and successfully so, since most people are happily continuing to use Facebook in spite of it .

Basically it comes down to whether Zuckerberg decides if he cares about the bad PR. If he doesn't, too bad -- unless you and a couple hundred million others are going to stop using Facebook in protest.

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (4, Insightful)

Eil (82413) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187788)

People and corporations must be made aware that they have no right to hang on to user's personal data without giving them the choice to export it in an easy and convenient way.

People must be made aware that they have the right to not submit personal data in the first place.

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187798)

And if the users of either service were actually paying money for them, you'd might actually be right.

.

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (2, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187874)

So wait... how exactly can I view, let alone export, all the personal data that Google has collected on me over the years? What if I want to switch to a different search engine but don't want to lose all the behind the scenes tweaking that can be done with a good decades worth of search history?

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (4, Informative)

ach1000 (537772) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188048)

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (0, Troll)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188324)

That's an awfully high level summary, considering that Google keeps track of every search term you've ever entered, being able to see which services you've signed up for isn't quite the level of detail that I had in mind.

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188590)

Do you realize how paranoid you sound?

Re:Great. I'm doing it now (4, Informative)

AaxelB (1034884) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188620)

So wait... how exactly can I view, let alone export, all the personal data that Google has collected on me over the years? What if I want to switch to a different search engine but don't want to lose all the behind the scenes tweaking that can be done with a good decades worth of search history?

https://www.google.com/history/ [google.com]

I don't know if they provide an export feature, but all the searches you made while logged in are there. I found out I've done 11307 searches! That's actually fewer than I thought... It's pretty interesting to look at what I was searching for 4 years ago.

Can I just say... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187690)

Can I just say that watching his is absolutely hysterical?

Yes you may, but I don't know what you are talking about.

To each his own (4, Funny)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187694)

Can I just say that watching his is absolutely hysterical?

Can I just say that watching the founder of slashdot attempt to type a typo- and misspelling-free sentence is absolutely hysterical?

Re:To each his own (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187832)

Apparently you're T'd off by typos.

Entertaining (1)

sheetzam (454981) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187708)

/me reaches for the popcorn

I'm just posting to say I absolutely don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187710)

Thank you.

> Can I just say that watching his is absolutely hysterical?
You just did.

A battle of the biggest privacy rapists (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187714)

These are the kinds of epic hypocritical arguments that rend holes in the space-time fabric. It feels like my head is going to explode.

Re:A battle of the biggest privacy rapists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188058)

These are the kinds of epic hypocritical arguments that rend holes in the face-friend fabric. It feels like my head is going to explode.

FTFY

Unnecessary (5, Funny)

The Yuckinator (898499) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187716)

I don't need Google to tell me to not like Facebook.

Re:Unnecessary (3, Funny)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187806)

I don't need Google to tell me to not like Facebook.

Let me see Should I hate Facebook [google.com]

The answer looks like a "Yes."

Can I just say... (4, Insightful)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187718)

...that since I don't have a Facebook account, it's less hysterical to me, and more like watching retarded monkeys fling feces at each other, but miss (because they're retarded) so nothing actually interesting ever happens.

I gotta admit I don't get the whole Facebook thing. It seems like just another in the long string of hot social thing of the moment that's going to be supplanted by the next hot social thing of the moment in 3...2...1...

Re:Can I just say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187808)

Yeah...Facebook has been the hot social thing of the moment for almost an entire decade. Aren't you edgy with your opinions???

Re:Can I just say... (4, Insightful)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187848)

Yeah...Facebook has been the hot social thing of the moment for almost an entire decade. Aren't you edgy with your opinions???

Facebook didn't overtake Myspace until 2008. Is two years almost a decade in your world?

Re:Can I just say... (0)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188032)

Define "overtake." I'd heard about MySpace being in serious decline since at least 2005, which would mean that it wasn't "hot" since before that, so yeah, we're now past 5 years of Facebook being the "up-and-comer"/"hot new thing," which makes it closer to a decade than not. If your definition of "overtake" is simply number of users, or something, then yes, it takes time to overcome the established base of something like that, because hardly anyone ever deletes a profile on stuff like this, they just abandon it. If you've some other metric you're using, I'd like to see it, if just so I can adjust my knowledge base.

Re:Can I just say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188246)

Half of something is not almost something. Do you tell your boss that you're almost done when you're half done?

I'd say about 85% of something is almost something.

Facebook has been the most talked about alternative social tool (alternative to phone calls and SMS) for a number of years that would be rounded to 10 if rounded to the nearest multiple of 10.

Re:Can I just say... (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188580)

So is facebook still signing up new users faster than old users are abandoning hit? How will we know? I know I never signed up in the first place, but the amount of people in my circle of friends mention facebook is noticeably in decline, former farmville addicts don't log in more than once a week..., I'm not constantly hearing about shit someone or other said on facebook...

In my circle at least, its more relevant than myspace, but its definitely peaked and is fading.

Re:Can I just say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187872)

You forgot the "Now get off my lawn!" line you old fart.

Re:Can I just say... (1)

CraftyJack (1031736) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187956)

like watching retarded monkeys fling feces at each other, but miss (because they're retarded) so nothing actually interesting ever happens.

Nothing interesting? People would line up around the block to see a show like that!

Re:Can I just say... (1)

ferrocene (203243) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188244)

Yeah, it's pretty much a fad, just like YouTube, Slashdot, Firefox, Ubuntu, Flickr, Blogger, Wordpress, Twitter and pretty much any other website that has 500 million active users.

Re:Can I just say... (1)

asylumx (881307) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188308)

You mean like Google?

Re:Can I just say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188542)

Nevermind him, not liking something popular has been the popular nerd thing for pretty much forever. By not liking, or taking an explicit stance against something popular, they "show" how they are a unique snowflake. What's more fun though, other nerds fall for it. "Ohhhhh.... he's more of a nerd than me....".

Other popular stances.
"I don't have a/watch/like TV"
"I hate M$"
"I haven't used Windows in 50 years!"

Re:Can I just say... (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188374)

Please name the services you foresee overtaking Facebook, rather than simply being bought out / incorporated into Facebook's platform?

Foursquare/Gowalla - with their location-based / mobile services, have been neatly sidestepped by Facebook Places;

Myspace? Well past its prime.

Orkut? Never been a serious contender outside of a few countries (Brazil, India, mostly I believe - and even there, I'd say that rumors of Facebook's demise are greatly exaggerated).

Diaspora, or Appleseed? It'll be the "Year of..." those services one year after we finally see the Year of the Linux Desktop (which as we all know, will take place 7-10 years after the release of Duke Nukem Forever).

There simply isn't a legitimate contender to Facebook's supremacy at this point. Something MAY come along to displace them someday, but your prediction that they'll be supplanted by the "next hot social thing of the moment" is pretty hard to swallow in any timeframe approximating "soon". As Facebook signs up more people (500+ million so far?), it'll be even harder to convince people to move away from "the place I've already got an account" to something new. The new features would have to be incredibly compelling, and there just isn't anything that compelling about any of its competitors at this point, or even on the horizon. You can only "connect to your friends" so many ways over the web.

Re:Can I just say... (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188418)

Dude. I'm not even on your lawn.

"Looks something like this"? (1)

Boba001 (458898) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187720)

I highly doubt Google returns a Internal Server Error:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@digitizor.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.14 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at digitizor.com Port 80

Re:"Looks something like this"? (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187776)

[AOL] Me too! [/AOL]

Re:"Looks something like this"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187858)

I highly doubt Google returns a Internal Server Error:

I've seen it on some of their pages served by Go. Which is pretty ironic since network programming is what it's supposed to be best at.

Re:"Looks something like this"? (1)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187864)

Try a cached version [nyud.net] of the link instead.

Why doesn't Google just have people play Farmville (1)

WarmBoota (675361) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187722)

....then everyone gets all of your private information...and your friends' private information....and their friends' private information

Re:Why doesn't Google just have people play Farmvi (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188038)

Puts too much control in the user's hands. Better to drive a van around town "accidentally" collecting your emails and passwords over the course of three years.

Whatching HIS is hysterical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187734)

Watching his what is hysterical? And who are you referring to with the pronoun "his"?

Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (1, Insightful)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187746)

I loved how I was able to auto-add friends based on my Gmail contacts. It saved me so much time searching and adding manually. I still love how the picture from Facebook is integrated into my contacts automatically on my phone. I'm sure there are other examples I'm overlooking as well. The bottom line is, the data in my contacts in mine. The data on my Facebook site is mine. I'm accepting the risk by sharing the credentials of either site with the other. Take your turf war elsewhere guys and let me have my integration.

Re:Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187922)

> The data on my Facebook site is mine.

That's where you have a misunderstanding.

Re:Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (4, Insightful)

CraftyJack (1031736) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187992)

The bottom line is, the data in my contacts in mine. The data on my Facebook site is mine.

shattered illusions in 3...2...

Re:Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (4, Insightful)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188110)

Your 'friends' might argue that their email address is theirs. They might appreciate a friend that doesn't give out their email address to data collectors and spammers. It looks like people in your contact list are accepting the risk of knowing you.

Re:Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (3, Informative)

tibman (623933) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188254)

You are correct. Now try to reverse the process... ow, not able to get your facebook stuff into Gmail? Well, now you understand why there is a battle.

Re:Why are we getting pulled into this turf war? (4, Insightful)

AndyAndyAndyAndy (967043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188480)

The data on my Facebook site is mined.

Fixed that for you.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187796)

Is this evil?

Size of FB is frightening (3, Insightful)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187884)

Google must be concerned because FB is becoming so big that it looks like Internet 2.0 itself. I bet search volume on FB is getting close to Google.com, and this is not even core business for FB. I hate FB as much as anyone else, but Larry or Sergey should take all their money and buy FB if they don't want to become "that other Internet company".

Re:Size of FB is frightening (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188222)

GoogleBook, what a beast!!!

Re:Size of FB is frightening (4, Informative)

Triv (181010) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188576)

I bet search volume on FB is getting close to Google.com, and this is not even core business for FB.

You spend WAAAAAAAAAY too much time on Facebook if your perspective on their share of the internet search market is that narrow.

Facebook, as of February, was sitting at 700 status updates a second. Know how many google searches were made every second as of February? 34,000.

So no, not close. Not even close to close.

In love... (1)

thescreg (1854974) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187890)

That warning page makes me want to move to Japan and marry Google.

Watching his what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187892)

You forgot a noun in the summary.

Slactivism (1)

lluBdeR (466879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187914)

So has anybody started a Facebook group yet?

Google + Facebook (1)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187918)

Seems like they should stop all of this foreplay and just get a room already.

Re:Google + Facebook (1)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188434)

And watch for the results of that in an adult video section near you:

"DP Debutantes, Vol. 2: Google and Facebook give Your Privacy the double-teaming it's been dying for!"

Coming soon!

Just end facebook already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34187982)

Google needs to implement and market revenue sharing in a simliar social networking site. Those of you that run community sites (outside of tech) that have a strong social side know where most of your traffic comes from... Women. Particularly attractive ones and those that show pictures. (fake or not) Mix that in with celebrities, gossip, personal information rampant and you have the #2 website knocking on Google's door. With high traffic usually comes high ad revenue, and the users don't see a dime of it.

Who's Laughing Now? (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34187988)

Can I just say that watching this is absolutely hysterical?

I doubt it will as funny 'Taco, when Google decide to pull the same stunt with Slashdot. We're witnessing a pivot event in that companies history and culture.

This is the first time Google has ever actually attempted to wield power. What happens if they find they like it?

Mark Zuckerbutt vs. Eric Shmuck (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188000)

Google: "after all, you should have control over your data."*

Me: "Yes, Eric, irreversibly and irretrievably delete all of my data."

Google: "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

* http://www.google.com/mail/help/contacts_export_confirm.html

Re:Mark Zuckerbutt vs. Eric Shmuck (1)

Stuntmonkey (557875) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188160)

How many gmail accounts get hacked each month because of weak passwords? It happens quite often. Until authentication methods improve on the web, I would rather not be able to irretrievably delete my last 7 years of email with a few clicks. Call me paranoid, but I think my brand of paranoia is more justified than yours.

Re:Mark Zuckerbutt vs. Eric Shmuck (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188500)

DO you not keep an offline local copy of your email? Around here we have another word for that kind of paranoia: Stupidity.

Re:Mark Zuckerbutt vs. Eric Shmuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188512)

Even if you delete an e-mail forever in GMail, it's still never deleted. It's still stored on Google's servers so it's actually impossible to permanently delete anything that goes into GMail.

Hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188016)

Why should Facebook give out all my friends email addresses out when it won't even tell me them?

Make it open! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34188026)

This is a real problem for me with Facebook. I would be willing to use Facebook more often if they provided some way of downloading / exporting data back out.

I like social networking, but having migrated from Friendster to MySpace to Facebook, I now store a lot of data across different services. (Twitter, Flickr, a wordpress site). I know 10 years from now there will be another 'facebook', so I really limit how many eggs I'm putting in the closed basket.

MAKE IT OPEN MARK!

Bad Blood (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188124)

I thought Google couldn't make any more waves since Mr. Rasmussen left?

Not apples to apples (3, Interesting)

jfine (1938120) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188144)

I can certainly appreciate Google's stance on the subject. I've been saying for years its reprehensible how Facebook acts as a one way silo for personal information. They've gotten a bit better about it but only after getting raked over the preverbal coals for months and months. Frankly I don't trust Facebook as far as I can throw them which at their current size is close to nothing. Facebook has demonstrated time and time again that their focus is not on protecting users and providing value to the web. In fact quite the opposite, to move towards a AOLy version of the web where Facebook is the web. They're only as "open" as much as it benefits them, ie reduced PR exposure or added page views or users. However, this comparison is not an apples to apples. It is my understanding (and I could be wrong or things could have changed as they do on almost a daily basis at Facebook) that when you "import" friends from Google (or any other service) that Facebook is simply providing a matching service and only adding friends if they exist on Facebook. They are not acting as a contact list provider in the sense that I can not import my dogs website nor change my friends phone number if I like to use his home number instead of his cell number for his main number etc. Although it could be agreed that with all your friends on Facebook they are by default playing the roll of contact list and are not being fairly bi-directional. Facebook wants you messaging your friends within the confines of the system (more page views, more lock in, more details they can scrape about you) and is the main reason why they don't want you exporting your contacts.

watching rich kids fight (1)

TXISDude (1171607) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188150)

This is like watching two rich kids fight, neither has experience in kicking ass the old fashioned way, they both want to buy the solution - I say bring on the lawyers, they need the money

I just want to complain (1)

lpaul55 (137990) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188400)

... so I followed the link in the article and checked the Register Complaint box and hit "Go"

Taking the term User-Firendly to a whole new level (1)

MrMadnutz (446737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34188508)

N/T

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