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Gran Turismo 5 To Be Released November 24th

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the for-real-this-time dept.

PlayStation (Games) 110

UgLyPuNk writes "After many, many delays, Gran Turismo 5 has finally gotten a solid release date: November 24th. ('Tis the season for vaporware titles to emerge into the real world, it seems.)" Eurogamer posted a preview of the game back in August, saying, "It's been a whirlwind of features and car chatter, beneath which the game still looks fantastic. It may have been in development for the whole of this console generation, but the technical arms race has slowed down and GT5 still looks as good as any other racing game we've seen, and it is, to say the least, comprehensive." Joystiq has a video of the course maker and a collection of screenshots.

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110 comments

SO the race is on (2, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212026)

for your post thankgiving buying dollar!

VROOOOM!

I'll pass (3, Funny)

faragon (789704) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212030)

I no longer buy new games since Sony blocked new games to work on PS3s running Linux (I'm stuck in firmware 3.15). Take that, you greedy overlords!

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34212122)

I've been struggling with this. I want to buy a PS3 just to play GT5. Although I'd probably never install Linux on it, it was a douchebag move to remove that feature.

Re:I'll pass (1)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212352)

I'm concerned with the idiotic requirement for HDCP equipped displays, even when running games.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat, but I'm not replacing my perfectly adequate 24" monitor because it was made six months before HDCP became widespread. Fuck Sony for all I care.

Re:I'll pass (1, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212466)

WTF are you talking about? You don't need HDCP to play games on the PS3.

Re:I'll pass (1)

whoop (194) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212564)

You need something. My Xbox360 plays just fine on a regular LCD monitor (HDMI->DVI cable). My brother-in-law hooked up his PS3 to it and got nothing.

Re:I'll pass (1, Funny)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212680)

You're brother-in-law must be an idiot. There is no HDCP requirement for playing games otherwise one would be unable to use the composite [amazon.com] or component [amazon.com] cables that Sony themselves sell for the PS3.

Re:I'll pass (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34213000)

You're brother-in-law must be an idiot.

Hi there. How's your brother-in-law going? You know, that DittoBox guy.

Re:I'll pass (2, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213032)

Actually, there is: the PS3 turns on HDCP as soon as you start playing a game. If you're using composite/component it won't use it, but if you're using HDMI, you must have an HDCP-equipped display.

Note that if you hook up the PS3 and get nothing, you're doing something wrong, since HDCP isn't required just to look at the XMB. It's only required for playing games, if you're using HDMI.

Re:I'll pass (1)

HoppQ (29469) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214498)

Actually, there is: the PS3 turns on HDCP as soon as you start playing a game. If you're using composite/component it won't use it, but if you're using HDMI, you must have an HDCP-equipped display.

Note that if you hook up the PS3 and get nothing, you're doing something wrong, since HDCP isn't required just to look at the XMB. It's only required for playing games, if you're using HDMI.

Wrong. PS3s HDMI connection always requires HDCP, in games, DVDs, Blu-rays, XMB, you name it.

Re:I'll pass (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213734)

When you connect a PS3 via a HDMI-to-DVI cable to an older monitor you will get a black screen due to lack of HDCP support in the monitor.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Markos (71140) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214300)

Actually, if you are using HDMI, you do.

It's funny that your are modded as "Informative" though!

Re:I'll pass (1, Flamebait)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212662)

I'm concerned with the idiotic requirement for HDCP equipped displays, even when running games.

The only one being idiotic is you. Since there are both composite and component cables. In conclusion, you're a moron.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214366)

I'm concerned with the idiotic requirement for HDCP equipped displays, even when running games.

I'd buy this in a heartbeat, but I'm not replacing my perfectly adequate 24" monitor because it was made six months before HDCP became widespread. Fuck Sony for all I care.

The HDCP is most likely to play Bluray's in the proper resolution. Seeing as most PS3 games don't even hit 720p resolution, seems sort of stupid.

Not to mention you can probably get a componet cable for the PS3 and they don't use HDCP at all.

Re:I'll pass (1)

DuoDreamer (1229170) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212414)

I knew when GT5 was announced that it was the only reason I'd have to buy a PS3. I bought one about 3 days before they announced the most recent delay.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Teknikal69 (1769274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214390)

Same situation here I was going to buy a PS3 solely for Gran Tursimo but everything Sony have been doing recently has been driving me further and further from actually doing it. As much as I've always liked Gran Turismo I might just skip this one it's only a matter of time until they sabotage the PS3 further also the amount of firmware update bricking stories I've heard recently really makes me think a ps3 is bad gamble that is bound to eventually go wrong.

Re:I'll pass (1)

smash (1351) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214716)

So are you buying a PS3 to play games, or run linux. If its to play games, then who cares what the firmware shit has done. I've got a PS3 slim, never could run linux, and have had zero firmware problems.

Even as a linux platform, its flawed. I do feel a bit for those who bought one to run linux on though.

Re:I'll pass (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 3 years ago | (#34217448)

My box lists "OtherOS" on it as a feature, as does my manual. Now I have little interest of running linux on it, mastly because even something like boxee wouldn't work without some gpu support. *shrug* *goes off to stand in line for GT5*

Re:I'll pass (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214496)

I've been struggling with this. I want to buy a PS3 just to play GT5. Although I'd probably never install Linux on it, it was a douchebag move to remove that feature.

Sony was protecting its platform from an exploit and very real possibility it would have enabled software piracy. If that meant pissing off a few nerds using a niche feature, then so be it.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Z80a (971949) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214826)

But now they got even more nerds wanting to crack it to run linux.

Actually i kinda feel that most of the PS3 "special features" was part of the anti piracy scheme from Kutaragi.

having support to linux makes a lot of "nerds" just not bothering unlocking the beast, and the region free takes care of that mass of people that unlocks consoles to play import games, thus reducing the jail break need just for people that actually want to play pirate games on it.

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34217306)

But now they got even more nerds wanting to crack it to run linux.

Funny how the majority of those nerds didn't care about running Linux when it was an officially-supported option. Now that's all anyone seems to care about doing with their PS3.

Re:I'll pass (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 3 years ago | (#34217484)

Support for linux needed to have a GPU in it to make it useful, I would have used it as a media center if it could actully play 1080P h264 in mkv's(my ripped dvd collection).

The most recent linux dev on it was ring0 of the HV, letting linux have access to the GPU and thats when sony pulled support for linux on it...

Re:I'll pass (0)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212134)

Way to stand up for your principles, I'm sure they will take notice.

Me? I'll be having fun drinking and smashing shiny virtual cars into things on all those awesome tracks.
Thanks Sony for making me feel like the cheap gaming whore that I am!

Re:I'll pass (2, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212166)

Too bad the cars don't break. That is the one thing GT really needs. Bouncing a car off a guard rail should have a higher cost.

Re:I'll pass (3, Interesting)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212370)

Gran Turismo: the so-called "real driving simulator" that does model damage worse than the wildly unrealistic Daytona USA did back in 1993.

Re:I'll pass (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212396)

The so called part is right, the driving is pretty realistic for a cheap game. The Damage model would be nice, but it has to be as good as the simulation to be worth it.

I so need to get a PS3 wheel. Sadly my ps2 one will not work.

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34212478)

you can get a G25 or G27 .. should work on PS3 *and* PC. i need to get a wheel mount as mine's mounted to a hand-me-down IKEA chest propped up on 4 12-pack soda cases :D

Re:I'll pass (1)

427_ci_505 (1009677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213152)

If you have a PS2 driving force pro, it'll work.

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34216170)

I so need to get a PS3 wheel. Sadly my ps2 one will not work.

A Logitech G27 [logitech.com] can be had for $195 shipped with coupon code gdby2009M. Well worth the money (and a really good deal on that particular wheel).

Re:I'll pass (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212528)

It's a driving simulator, so everything up TO the crash is realistic, everything afterwards... It's not a crash simulator. ;)

Re:I'll pass (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213650)

That's nothing, in X-Plane, a highly regarded flight physics simulator, the trees look like ass and you can't even destroy them!

Re:I'll pass (1)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214632)

How do you dare to utter a bad word about Daytona USA.

Re:I'll pass (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214788)

What bad word? Daytona USA is wildly unrealistic, and people love it for being what it is.

Re:I'll pass (1)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 3 years ago | (#34215946)

It's a driving simulator, not a crashing simulator.

Re:I'll pass (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 3 years ago | (#34217524)

I agree, to silence all this BS, they need a mode 'An impact or a contact will cause your race to be over', make it an option, and if you want the car to break when it hits a guard rail then good. Also the time trials do just that in prologue. Tapping a wall or a car in the class 'S' events will cause loss of power in your car for 5-10 seconds, depending on what you did, as do shortcuts(which includes using the run-offs to take corners at much much higher speeds.

My complaint, I can put a new custom ratio gearbox every race for free, but I can't repaint a car even for a fee...

Re:I'll pass (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212410)

GT5 has visual damage unlike previous titles but I believe it doesn't affect driving.

Re:I'll pass (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212424)

That makes it worthless.

It should impact aerodynamics and if the fender comes in contact with the wheel handling and speed should be impacted. GT is about accuracy, if they lose that why bother?

Re:I'll pass (1, Interesting)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212792)

My experience with the Gran Turismo series has been that it's a racing simulator, that is if you're going around hitting other cars or walls, you've already lost. Spending time and effort creating a damage simulation for a game where the point is NOT to hit anything else seems a bit pointless. Look at any car race (outside of demolition derbies) what happens when a car hit anything with more force then the slightest of bumps? The Race comes to a stop and very often paramedics are called.

Re:I'll pass (3, Insightful)

hardburn (141468) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213776)

A while back, Sony hosted a hot lap contest in GT5: Prologue. The first one was High Speed Ring, where the final turn is a long turn with guard rails on the side. If you want to do it the cheap way, you can enter into the turn much too fast, then grind along the guard rails with the gas to the floor. You'll enter the straight much faster than you should. So you do it once, enter the straight really fast, then do it again to get the best time.

Sony refused to cull out entries that did this. Funny thing was that when I downloaded the top replay in the contest, my split times were catching up through the middle of the track. I'm hardly the best driver, but I'm sure that I was better than the "top" player.

Needless to say, a proper damage model would stop this misbehavior.

Re:I'll pass (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 3 years ago | (#34217578)

They didn't have then penalty system on? There is one in GT%: Prologue.. It would have stopped that as it won't let you apply power past 30MPH if you "tap" a wall. The time trial mode will not count your time for wall sliding either. I'm not sure what was going on with that then.

I think you are referring to "High Speed Ring: Reverse" and I've never had a reason to break, or even let off on that corner in either the GT by Citron or the 2007 F1 car, both can do it on line at flat out, with the physics set to "normal" not "professional". The ford GT you have to let off in a little but thats it. I wonder what Sebastian Vettel thought of the physics when he broke the lap record at suzuka, by ~30 seconds in a concept car.

I'd like the "add down force" in quick tune, to not be free, not in terms of the number of points you can have per race, but more down force should mean less top end speed, and more isn't always better.

Re:I'll pass (2, Informative)

hardburn (141468) | more than 3 years ago | (#34219786)

The penalty system was on, it's just that it isn't quite perfect. If you tap the wall carefully with the back of the car, it won't penalize you.

Here's a video that shows the track/direction I'm talking about (though not the cheat):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgsrioeEEw8 [youtube.com]

You can probably find all the top replays for the course to use the cheat.

Re:I'll pass (1)

cciRRus (889392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214084)

Damage does not only affect visually but also the driving experience.

Physics is damage. Damage to affect the physical simulation and alignment deviation. The damage may affect the operation, which stopped running straight, and is not stable in the corner to express a variety of symptoms depending on the amount of damage. On all models.

More info here [examiner.com]

Re:I'll pass (2, Informative)

smash (1351) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214728)

Problem is, to get accurate damage modelling, they would need to simulate a lot more of the car. The handling can be approximated fairly simply by using simulated weight distribution, traction levels, suspension operation and torque outout.

Proper damage modelling needs panel deformation AND more importantly simulation of the various systems in the car, their location, and simulation of impact damage to each of the individual systems.

Which really... is a lot of work for something that is a sideshow to the real purpose of the game which is to simulate driving fast, and accurate car handling.

From what I have heard/read this is why they have not made a serious effort with car damage. its a hell of a lot of work to get anywhere near right, so rather than do it half-assed, they simply omitted it, rather than do some shitty cheap simulation of it.

NO GAME that i am aware of has accurate damage simulation. The GT series is no different in that respect.

I don't care so much (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 3 years ago | (#34216318)

I don't really spend much time crashing cars in GT, usually I restart a race if I fuck up like that. In fact, crashes aside, I just hope they'll have a rewind feature like Forza.

I really wouldn't care if damage modeling weren't even attempted in GT5. For everything that the game offers, I'll be way too busy to think about that issue at all. Rally, F1, Nascar, weather, go cart, track editor, honestly the game has so much, I really won't be one to complain.

Re:I don't care so much (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 3 years ago | (#34217602)

A rewind would be ok. I've found those to be hard to use, as it's hard to get steering angles and throttle positions to match where you were once you rewind. Not to mention that in prologue, you might as well get a small bit of cash out of the event, since you always get some cash.

Re:I'll pass (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213850)

I no longer buy new games since Sony blocked new games to work on PS3s running Linux (I'm stuck in firmware 3.15). Take that, you greedy overlords!

I've also got a 3.15 PS3, but I'm thinking of upgrading it to 3.41 so I can use the jailbreak. Then I can run backups, which I think would be far more valuable than Linux, and would be a more effective protest mechanism, albeit a bit more dangerous one.

Hell, it's got Sony so worried they've gone after customers who bought the jailbreak. And since I'm cut off from PSN, oh well. I'll play with my friends on Xbox360... to which I'm paying money for. Ah well, Sony doesn't want my money, I'll give it to Microsoft!

Re:I'll pass (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214354)

I no longer buy new games since Sony blocked new games to work on PS3s running Linux (I'm stuck in firmware 3.15). Take that, you greedy overlords!

If you really wanted to show them, you'd jailbreak it, download the game, and play it on your 3.15 PS3 anyways.

Piffle (1)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212080)

Your going to have to better than that to break my suspension of disbelief. An official release date for GT5, where have I heard that before????? /me still waiting impatiently for the game....

Thank guys (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212124)

I bought my PS3 for two specific reasons.

1. Cheap/Best blu-ray player for the time.

2. GT5

And I only got 1 of 2 simple request fulfilled so far. Honestly, the more I think about GT5, the more I find myself all pissed of and shit. I love a good quality game, and not a rush job. But this is pushing it way too far.

Re:Thank guys (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212222)

Those were the 2 exact same reasons I bought a 60GB in January 2007. Now I find myself debating buying GT5 because it will probably force me to update from FW 3.15... :/

Re:Thank guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34213590)

Then you must have actually had three reasons.

Re:Thank guys (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212228)

I bought my PS3 for two specific reasons.

1. Cheap/Best blu-ray player for the time.

2. GT5

Funny. I bought my PS3 for the exact same reasons. I patiently for years for GT5 to be released.

Then, about a month ago, the blue laser in the system died, and no amount of careful disassembly and cleaning would restore it.

And so, now being incapable of playing a Blu-Ray disc, it does neither of the things that I bought it for.

Re:Thank guys (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212248)

Parts are cheap on ebay.

Re:Thank guys (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212340)

Parts are cheap on ebay.

Yep. I can replace it easily enough.

But the particular laser assembly used in my PS3 is very prone to failure. Later versions are reportedly much more reliable, but it's apparently impossible to upgrade it. So while I certainly can fix it, it certainly will break again.

It may be more realistic, at this point, to buy a used PS3 of sufficiently recent vintage to have the improved laser assembly, and just keep the old-and-busted one around for Netflix, DVDs, network media, and such.

Re:Thank guys (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212368)

Or the third option.

Fix your PS3, especially if it is old enough to play PS2 games, and sell it. Then use the proceeds to purchase a later model PS3.

Re:Thank guys (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212866)

It is both new enough to not be able to play PS2 games, and old enough to have the worse of the two types of blue laser, so I'm leaning toward getting an additional one and never fixing this one. It still plays DVD and CD media gloriously, even though it's broken, and is likely to keep doing so for a very long time.

With the number of DVDs that we've got, plus Netflix, it'll still be put to good use. And the later model that would sit right beside it on the shelf will be spared of being filled with dust bunnies and bison.

Who knows, though. Looking at prices of used systems on Ebay just now, you might have a good idea going there with fixing this old codger and selling it to help fund a sidegrade to a newer model -- even if it can't play PS2 games.

Re:Thank guys (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213518)

especially if it is old enough to play PS2 games

When I saw this I thought, "hey maybe it's time to get a ps3." But are you saying that some PS3s won't play PS2 games!!? That would be a deal breaker for me.

Re:Thank guys (1)

Markos (71140) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214314)

PS2 compatibility was dropped from the PS3 a *long* time ago.

Re:Thank guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34215460)

And it's why I don't own a PS3. UK models never had the ability to play PS2 games.

Re:Thank guys (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34215474)

Nope only the original units did that. Meaning both the PS2 and PS3 are in my living room.

Re:Thank guys (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218926)

Yeah, people were complaining about the cost and 95% of PS3 owners didn't use the PS2 function, so they cut it I've got tons of PS2 games, but I play them on my PS2, even though my PS3 would've played them as well.

How does it handle crashing? (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212196)

Car crashes, I mean. They're a tough issue in racing games. Some of what goes wrong:

* A griefer who wants to crash rather than race ruins the game
* You discover you can lap more quickly by driving into the hairpin at the end of a straightaway at full speed and crashing into the wall, saving time on deceleration
* You discover you can't crash the AI drivers. So you get the inside line and ride them around sharp corners.

Once you find a ridiculous tactic is highly effective, the game is spoiled. But for whatever reason, it's not fun to drive a game so slowly/safely you can go for an hour without crashing, so handling crashes realistically is problematic too.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212264)

GT has always been a rather unforgiving game, try just qualifying to race in GT3 and 4. Crashes should be realistic. Hit the wall at 100mph? Race over and you do it again.

Not every game has to be super easy.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34213940)

I tend to agree here, which is why I'm dissapointed with how GT handles crashes. Exactly what GP describes in the third point happens in Gran Turismo. If you're on the inside of a tight turn, you can go into the turn way too fast and then tighten your turning radius by bumping into one of the cars on the outside of the turn. It actually lets you go around faster than entering the turn at a good speed and driving the right way.

Also, the AI drivers rearend you sometimes. When you can avoid other cars, GT feels like you're learning about driving real race cars, but once you start trading paint like this, it's like you're playing arcade racing. If I'm going to end up with arcade racing mechanics, I may as well play a game that's designed from the ground up with that kind of play in mind.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

GNious (953874) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214520)

Crashes should be realistic. Hit the wall at 100mph? Race over and you do it again.

The I propose we do this properly: Hit the wall dead-on at 160kph, Game over and the disc is destroyed.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34217142)

Dirt 2 handles damage really well, probably the best damage system in a racing game so far. I would like to see a system like that in GT / Forza games, there are too many idiotic young kids who cannot race in a mature fashion, good damage would discourage them and clean up the online.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34212300)

Did you really have nothing better to do than to post this? Your comment adds nothing here. The article is about the release data of a highly anticipated game. You posted a generalized rant aimed at an entire genre of video games. You would have been better served by spending your time with Google to discover the answers to your questions, rather than waiting for some equaly bored soul to come along to tell you that Gran Turismo is one of the most realistic driving games available. It may not be reality, but it is about as close to it as racing games get.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (3, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212334)

Great question. To my mind there should only be too modes. Highly realistic. You crash, do it again.
The other one, highly ridiculous. Like your the hero in some over the top racing movie. The middle ground is blah.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212350)

This is Gran Turismo, it should only have the former. Buy a Burnout title for the latter. Nothing wrong with it, just not what GT should spend its development time on.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212448)

They didn't spend time doing either. It looks like it's more rubber bouncy cars..

Plus I will get GT5 for the looks. It's far better then burnout.

OTOH, I guess it's nice of you to tell Kazunori Yamauchi what he should do.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212468)

Well he seemed to have needed it.

Do GT3 and GT4 again, add pretty. If possible to not lose accuracy add car damage.

Is that so much to ask for?

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

D1gital_Prob3 (1592369) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212788)

The people behind Burnout Paradise got the nod to do the latest installment of Need For Speed Hot Pursuit, which will be released on Nov. 16th. For your crazy arcade run from the cops and bounce off of the walls needs this game looks like it will be a lot of fun. For your sim needs Gran Turismo 5 is going to be nirvana. Get a logitech G25 racing wheel/pedals/gearshift and a Playseat to attach them to for extreme extra amounts of win.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212638)

In previous games you can be penalized for hitting other cars. Of course this setting can be adjusted to match the preference of the user. Aside from this I would think the sheer number of models you can drive with a world class simulator is enough to purchase the game.

Re:How does it handle crashing? (1)

khchung (462899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213140)

it's not fun to drive a game so slowly/safely you can go for an hour without crashing

How about driving so *skillfully* so you won't crash for an hour?

I know, we are not F1 racers, but the game probably won't ask you to race continuously for an hour either (unless you asked for it). Most races are only less than 10 minutes, so not crashing at all for 3-5 laps is really not too much to ask for.

More cretinous reporting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34212344)

Outside of Japanm there has only ever been one day fron the original Nov 4th date to the 24th. Japan had a delay from the March 2010 to the same date as everyone else.

Some people really can't grasp this concept it seems.

mod 0P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34212484)

To predict *BSD's maggot, vomit, shit hAd at lunchtime all along. *BSD pallid bodies and of the GNAA I luck I'll find

Sorry Sony (4, Interesting)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 3 years ago | (#34212724)

But I got tired of waiting and sold my PS3 on craigslist about 18 months ago. After my experience with the PS3 (way too expensive and did not deliver what I was expecting, particularly with game titles) I don't expect to purchase another Sony console anytime soon. It's too bad cause I was what you'd call a fanboi 3 years ago...

Re:Sorry Sony (1, Insightful)

khchung (462899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213158)

But I got tired of waiting and sold my PS3 on craigslist about 18 months ago.

You mean you bought a console just to play one game, and you bought it when that game did not even have a release date yet?

Wow.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213384)

Well, he mentioned game titles so I'm guessing that he bought the PS3 when there were a few games he found interesting in hopes that the numbers would grow. Apparently the list of interesting game titles didn't grow fast enough. Had this and other good games been released 18 months ago (or ideally, sooner) his interest in the PS3 might have been sustained. I couldn't see anything in his comment that indicated that this one game was all he was interested in. Instead it sounded to me like he was just saying this game was too little too late.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

Allnighte (1794642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213676)

I don't have a PS3 and I'm debating on whether or not it's worth it to buy one just for this game. I have zero interest in every other PS3 game. I don't think the number of people in the same situation as sdguero and myself are very few.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218044)

I have zero interest in every other PS3 game. I don't think the number of people in the same situation as sdguero and myself are very few.

I don't think the number is as great as you think it is. But then, people have a habit of projecting their own values, so...

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213628)

Dude, I did the exact same thing but with my Xbox 360. Just didn't deliver what I was expecting, and too darned expensive, especially game titles! I can't see myself buying another Microsoft console anytime soon, and boy was I a fanboi.

We should have traded or something.

Re:Sorry Sony (3, Informative)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34213952)

Ok so buy one now then? They are cheaper? The list of games is quite good now, the exclusives are really nice. The graphics for most games are neck and neck on 360 / PS3. The online is free, the device is quiet, it plays blu ray movies, it plays HD MKV's over the network, some of the PSN downloadable games are brilliant etc.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218840)

And if your lucky you can still find an old CD with a ROOT KIT on it.. Fuck SONY.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 3 years ago | (#34219636)

Oh god you crybabies won't let anything slide. Shit happens - people make mistakes.
If you want a console, Sony or Microsoft - your choice, I just enjoy the games.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#34219678)

And poeple like me have to bail you out when the bad hackers take over your system or your identity has been stolen. Get a clue. It's your rights they are stealing, blatantly, I might add.

Re:Sorry Sony (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214372)

But I got tired of waiting and sold my PS3 on craigslist about 18 months ago. After my experience with the PS3 (way too expensive and did not deliver what I was expecting, particularly with game titles) I don't expect to purchase another Sony console anytime soon. It's too bad cause I was what you'd call a fanboi 3 years ago...

You sold it after they jailbroke it? wow, when it actually got good, you sold it.

Career mode is prio #1 (2, Insightful)

Albert Sandberg (315235) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214118)

The lack of a good career mode in GT3/GT4 is something that is really missing from the series... IMO the career mode was even better in GT3 than GT4... you should start out as a racing rookie and build your career. Learning how to adjust all the settings to your driving style etc. GT3 made that good, but then they just seemed to focus on the racing sim bit in GT4.

I might be mistaken but I felt that GT3 was a more fun game than GT4, but perhaps my expectations just was too high. Which brings us to GT5. It has to perform _really_ great to live up to the expectations after that long of a wait. The PS3 is already dead to me. I waited for GT5, I got bored in the meantime and sold the console.

Re:Career mode is prio #1 (1)

other-different-nick (1924292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214462)

Learning how to adjust all the settings to your driving style etc. GT3 made that good, but then they just seemed to focus on the racing sim bit in GT4.

I wish that I understood what you are saying. In real life, I see used sports cars up for sale with fully adjustable suspension and free flowing exhaust that have supposedly never seen an autocross or track day. Why? What is the appeal in perfectly setting up a car for a drive that you never intend to take?

Re:Career mode is prio #1 (1)

gearloos (816828) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218864)

You must be the guy that we put kick me signs on his back in high school. Having a fast car is reward enough in itself. I have a tuned, very fast(read it smokes c-6 Corvettes) Bimmer. Even if I only get to gas it on Saturday morning up in the canyons.. well, that's enough for me.

Re:Career mode is prio #1 (0, Troll)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214884)

The problem is, from a developer perspective, any game thats been in development as long as GT5 can not possibly be impressive to the developers at this point. If the developers don't find it impressive, users most certainly won't.

Gt5 is already too old for anyone (die hard fans/fanboys excluded) to find probably any part of it impressive.

Its just another Duke Nukem Forever, people have been waiting so long and have so much anticipation built up, there is no way it can be anything other than a let down, too much is expected of it since its been so long.

Looking forward to this - but question remain... (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214236)

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to this game. I've got the pre-order in for the expensive version and everything. However, I've got to admit that I have a few misgivings and questions:

- Sure, they're saying over 1000 cars, but now that the full list is out, it's clear that this basically means an incredible number of MX5 and RX7 variants, as well as a bunch of LanEvos and Skylines. At the same time, the car lists for some manufacturers, particularly US ones (Europe doesn't fare quite so badly) are extremely thin. Have they really spent their time as well as they could have?

- Why so few tracks? They're advertising what looks like a large list, but many of them are just minor variants on the same circuits. In addition, only a few of these tracks are new to the series. If they want gamers to play for long enough to experience any kind of sensible proportion of the cars on offer, wouldn't spending some more time on tracks have been an obvious move? I don't really think the (very limited) course editor compensates...

- And what is the actual racing going to be like? There's been almost no focus on this, as opposed to the car and track lists. Will the AI actually be any improvement on previous titles? The AI in GT5: Prologue was basically the same as that in the original Gran Turismo, and it has not aged well at all, particularly well put against the likes of Forza 3. I want to feel as though my opponents are actually racing against me, rather than just driving on the same track through sheer coincidence.

- And finally, will the game include the single greatest humanitarian development in the entirety of recorded history - the rewind button? This was in Grid and Forza 3 and was an absolutely fantastic frustration-beater. I really don't fancy the idea of doing any races longer than 10 minutes without one of these in future.

Re:Looking forward to this - but question remain.. (0, Flamebait)

smash (1351) | more than 3 years ago | (#34214748)

  1. The developers are Japanese, based in Japan.
  2. To re-do all the tracks in high def with enhanced realism is almost as much work as new tracks
  3. remains to be seen, but so far the series has been successful and good enough for most people
  4. rewind = gay. its for noob faggots of gen Y who can't deal with failure and having to try again

I think that covers it...

Re:Looking forward to this - but question remain.. (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#34215876)

1. The Forza 3 devs are American. Based in America. But there's no shortage of Japanese (and European) cars in their game.
2. And they've had long enough.
3. Not really, it was clear by the time GT5 Prologue came out that the actual racing was dated next to all the competition.
4. Don't use it if you don't like it. Those of us who have jobs and lives don't like spending half an hour re-running a race after a stupid mistake on the last lap cost us the win on the previous run.

Re:Looking forward to this - but question remain.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34214910)

1. Oh, I don't know, probably because 99.9% of american cars are crap? Other than the Corvette and the Viper, which indeed are awesome, pretty much everything coming out of Detroit is fugly, forgettable, poorly engineered (the 1950's called, they want their pushrod and OHC's back; also the hemispherical combustion chambers, lots of manufacturers are using those but they don't brag about it like it's the second coming of christ because, well, it's pretty established, old tech by now, I mean, Mercs were doing it in the 50's, it would be like advertising "OUR CARZ HAVE PISSTONZ OMG LOL!!!1!1!one!), poorly assembled out of poor materials and based off of 1930's technology.

Re:Looking forward to this - but question remain.. (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#34215884)

Being "a good car" is not necessarily a criterion for inclusion. There are lots of really bad Japanese cars that made the cut, as well as the decent ones.

I think what really shocked me is that despite all the fuss they made about having the Top Gear Test Track on the test list, they didn't even bother to include the "reasonably priced car" that the show famously gets celebrities to drive around the track (the Kia Cee'd), nor its predecessors (which are Suzukis). I just look at this car list and it shouts "lazy" and "couldn't be bothered to look around".

Re:Looking forward to this - but question remain.. (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218060)

You read one motor trend in 1997 and declared yourself a car guru, didn't you?

You're ragging on pushrod engines, which both the Corvette and Viper use, however you think both the corvette and viper are awesome? I think I should also point out here that the all-aluminum pushrod-based LSx series engines in the corvettes are among the best power-to-weight ratio engines in the world, and have won several awards for excellence.

You then rip into OHC (did you mean OHV?) engines, which is what 95% of performance cars in the world use, including Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Nissan, Ford, Honda, etc. etc. etc. Basically everybody except Porsche, Subaru, and a few American models (such as the afore mentioned corvette and viper). I'm even more inclined to believe that you have no idea what you're talking about.

As for the "Hemi" badge on Chryslers, it is just that. A badge. It's the same thing as Honda badging their cars VTEC when damn near every modern engine has variable cam timing. It's the same thing as a Quatro badge on an Audi, when half a dozen other manufacturers have equivalent or better AWD systems. Chrysler badges "hemi" on cars bearing V8 engines from that particular model line of engines simply to cash in on their history. It's called marketing, and every car manufacturer does it. Do you think there is a reason that the current 911s and Murcilagos have very recognizable lines when compared to other cars in their respective company's pasts?

Finally, just because you're ignorant of American car manufacturer's contributions to automotive performance, both presently and historcally, doesn't mean that the manufacturers of GT5 need to be, which is what the GP was saying I believe.

Grand Prix Legends (1)

jwsmith00 (262885) | more than 3 years ago | (#34215370)

Bring back Grand Prix Legends! I haven't played recent sims, but Grand Prix Legends was ahead of its time and took sims to the next level.

Moving right along. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34216512)

I thought about buying a ps3 for this and a couple of other games (which turned out not be all I had hoped) but at this point there is no way I'm going to bother unless something really crazy comes along.

First off, Forza3 is an EXCELLENT racing sim, has a better damage system and has a better career mode. GT has a cockpit view. FM finally added this in FM3, though it does look like GT5's interior view is better looking. Secondly, you can pick up FM3 pre-owned for around $30 (and sliding down). Thirdly, while GT5 and FM3 are often pseudo-compared, FM3 has been out for over a year now. As GT5 is (supposedly) finally going to be released Q4 2010, FM is said to be announcing the target release date for FM4 sometime in 2011 (keeping with the 2yrs per release, I'd venture a guess of a Q4 2011 release) . Also, rumor has it FM will be working along with Top Gear for FM4, though that has yet to be seen/confirmed (or at least I haven't seen any confirmation) and I'm not sure what that might add to it exactly (real videos? cutscenes? I can only guess).

At any rate, I don't see much reason to bother with GT5 at all right now.

Re:Moving right along. (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | more than 3 years ago | (#34218116)

My 360 RRoD'd about a month before Forza 3 was to come out. My wife and I discussed whether to buy another one, and since GT5 was scheduled to come out (at the time) within a few months, and we didn't have a blu-ray player, we decided to get a PS3 instead.

I loved Forza2, and played the hell out of it. Neither GT3 nor GT4 really interested me that much. I'm hoping against hope that GT5 is the game I've been waiting for, but if it isn't... I may have to see about a used 360 just for Forza3.

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