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Where Do I Go Now That Oracle Owns OpenOffice.org?

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the why-do-you-hate-america dept.

Open Source 510

eldavojohn writes "So I noted that there was better support for my processor in the latest BIOS for my mainboard. After downloading the update, there was a .doc file containing flashing instructions. No matter, I have OpenOffice.org installed on this machine and just opened it up. And, as should be no surprise, there was an Oracle logo splash screen while OpenOffice.org 3.2 started up. At my job, I've had a less than favorable history with Oracle that I'm not going to get into — rather let's just say I never want anything to do with them again. Including installing any of their software on my machine. So I'm facing a dilemma. I've looked into the forked LIbreOffice but that's still in beta and I'm a little wary of depending on that. Has anyone used LibreOffice (it's installing as I type this) extensively? Does it handle complex Powerpoint files okay? Is there some alternative out there that I'm completely overlooking for open source? Can anyone convince me that there's no reason to fear the Oracle OpenOffice.org? Will it remain the de facto standard? Will it eventually lock me into a commitment with Oracle? If you get by without one of these heavyweight monster editors, what do you use and how do you handle doc, ppt, (etc.) extensions?"

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Write to the manufacturer (4, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224908)

Ask them to stop using Word documents for instructions.

Ask them to use PDF or HTML.

Re:Write to the manufacturer (5, Insightful)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225168)

Hehe, yeah.
Meanwhile, at some water cooler in some province of China:
Exec1: Some random guy who at some point bought _one_ of our mainboards, making us around 0.1 cents of profit, who may or may not buy more of our products, asks us to change our process.
Exec2: *rotfl*

Re:Write to the manufacturer (2, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225202)

If it's a document that will need to be edited by someone else, then I can understand using Word.

But for a document intended for end-users, it's surprising they didn't use PDF.

Re:Write to the manufacturer (3, Insightful)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225380)

I'd agree if a) PDFs were easily convertible to other formats, b) they rendered at something a bit snappier than "as slow as they possibly can and still have anyone read them," c) were easily editable, d) weren't the current favorite attack vector for malware writers.

Seriously though, there's no valid reason that manuals must be displayed exactly as they would in printed form. All I need is the information. Put it in a .txt file if there aren't any images or complex formatting required, or put it in HTML if there are. Fuck a bunch of pretty and uniform, I want useful.

Re:Write to the manufacturer (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225216)

And after, that stop acting irrationally. Sure, ignore Oracle products if you wish, if you ask me that's a good thing. However, refusing to use a FLOSS computer program just because it's written by Oracle (btrfs), or just because it has the Oracle name on the splash screen (OpenOffice.org) is simply stupid. Yes, Oracle are going to fuck up OpenOffice.org, and yes, we're moving to better alternatives (LibreOffice), but there is no need to rush, unless you want to help with writing bug reports. Unless you plan to do just that, jumping to install LibreOffice before distros switch is irrational and stupid. It's too early to worry about that.

OpenOffice.org is not a product, it's a computer program, that happens to have a Oracle splash screen on it. You aren't buying it, and the code is still virtually unchanged since the acquisition by Sun, so you can't claim that by using it you're supporting Oracle in any way. RELAX.

Re:Write to the manufacturer (4, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225230)

Then get them to email the PDF to you, but make sure they include a message to let you know what it is, something like:

"Here's the file you were after, hope it helps"

Re:Write to the manufacturer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225266)

The chances that this was more than a text or rtf file are slim to none.. more likely the original poster merely has .doc mapped to open in Oo.org rather than trying to open in an appropriate reader (such as a text viewer/rtf editor like gedit

don't (1)

Baron von Leezard (675918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224914)

;-)

Be Patient (4, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224916)

Wait for LibreOffice to be released a stable build and then leave OpenOffice behind. Until then you'll just have to use it and keep in mind that the only thing Oracle did for OO was buy Sun, they didn't write any of the code.

Re:Be Patient (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225244)

What's the point? If Oracle is so evil you don't want to use Oracle's OpenOffice, how is using the re-branded LibreOffice any better?

Re:Be Patient (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225374)

What's the point? If Oracle is so evil you don't want to use Oracle's OpenOffice, how is using the re-branded LibreOffice any better?

The LibreOffice fork tests negative for Oracle. It is not "re-branded".

Re:Be Patient (1, Insightful)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225392)

But I like using O's OO.o

libre office (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34224918)

just go where 90% of developers have allready gone: http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/

Re:libre office (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225260)

Did you use OpenOffice to calculate that 90% number?

Re:libre office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225434)

you mean 90% of the 10% of developers who are working on OOo and not paid by Oracle? The other 99% are staying put...

Should be fine... (3, Interesting)

rwven (663186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224932)

Seeing as libreoffice is just a fork of openoffice (they're probably almost identical in code right now), you can probably rely on it just as much as openoffice now, and possibly even more in the future.

Re:Should be fine... (3, Interesting)

bieber (998013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225040)

Yep, at the moment using either one should be more or less the same thing. Just because the copyright changed hands doesn't mean the code became magically tainted.

Re:Should be fine... (-1, Offtopic)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225196)

So you're saying the intimidating "Kernel is tainted" line when booting Linux with proprietary kernel code is... hyperbole?!

Re:Should be fine... (2, Informative)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225298)

That just means that the kernel maintainers don't want any bug reports from you since you are running a kernel that contains code that they do not have access to the source of. When you install a closed-source driver you become dependent on the supplier of that driver since only they have have full access to the source code for your kernel. If you trust that supplier that's cool but the kernel maintainers can't help you.

Re:Should be fine... (0, Flamebait)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225448)

Of course, that's the sole reason. Choosing that specific word - "tainted" - doesn't change the message at all.

Re:Should be fine... (2, Funny)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225408)

Heh I wasn't sure if that was something exclusive to Slackware or not, but it's funny to hear that the standard Linux kernel spits out that "kernel taint" message. I see it in Slack, but they must have filtered it from Arch.

It always cracked me up because I would always think to myself "Yep, tainting my damned kernel with a driver that actually has good 3D performance." :D

Re:Should be fine... (1)

bieber (998013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225436)

No, I'm saying that the code didn't become proprietary when Oracle purchased it.

Re:Should be fine... (5, Informative)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225126)

For now. They're in the process of merging in a lot of code from the Go OO.org [go-oo.org] folks. Should make for better compatibility with MS Office.

Re:Should be fine... (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225258)

Have they gotten close to having an equivalent program for OneNote yet?

Re:Should be fine... (1)

Lennie (16154) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225290)

Of which most code was already running on most of the Linux-desktops. Because the go-oo is what was running on the Linux-desktops.

Re:Should be fine... (1)

Just Brew It! (636086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225446)

Or if you don't mind running a slightly older version, just run the Go-OO [go-oo.org] one directly.

OO / Libreoffiec (3, Informative)

Arimus (198136) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224936)

For now would have thought Libreoffice's support for Powerpoint etc would be on a par with OO as the fork is based on the 0O 3.3 code base...

Antiword (2, Informative)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224938)

As long as images aren't an issue, you could use Antiword [demon.nl] to convert it into a (somewhat) styled text file. That's what I did when I ran into the same thing with BIOS updates.

Microsoft Office (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34224940)

If you don't want to deal with Oracle. Then buy Microsoft Office. You never said you didn't want to deal with Microsoft too.

Re:Microsoft Office (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225142)

If I had points I'd mod you insightful. While the OP doesn't state it, I would assume that MS would be off the table, given that Larry Ellison is trying to be Bill Gates. But, if it's solely an Oracle problem, Office has nothing to do with that.

Re:Microsoft Office (3, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225214)

And if you don't want to deal with Microsoft either, you can buy a Mac mini and iWork!

Re:Microsoft Office (1)

Slayer Silver Wolf (1861504) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225280)

Is there some alternative out there that I'm completely overlooking for open source?

If you had rtfa you would realise as quoted above the user is searching for Open Source packages only.

Re:Microsoft Office (3, Informative)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225354)

Obviously this is a joke but... I just got done editing a file using Office 2007 SP2.... on my Arch Linux box using Crossover. Office 2010 isn't supported yet, but I have a feeling it will be in the first half of next year. I also use Openoffice on a daily basis for making drawings with OODraw. I did a master's thesis and all my law-review related work in OOWriter. Unfortunately, right now I need MS Office for compatibility since my daily use involves ping-ponging documents back & forth with other people using track changes.. an area where OO still sorely lags even using the ODF document formats.

Re:Microsoft Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225460)

I did a master's thesis and all my law-review related work in OOWriter. Unfortunately, right now I need MS Office for compatibility since my daily use involves ping-ponging documents back & forth with other people using track changes..

Have you ever heard of LaTeX and subversion?
Just checking...

What? (-1, Flamebait)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224948)

A company is giving you a useful tool, for free, under a license that means that someone else can step in and maintain it if they decide to take it in a direction that the users don't like. And you don't want to use it because? You have had some unpleasant experiences with the company in the past?

You're asking the wrong question. You should not be asking which office suite to use, you should be asking which psychiatrist to use.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225056)

No, Oracle is the love child of microsoft and satan. I too will not use any product they own, nominally "free" or otherwise.

Re:What? (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225084)

No, Oracle is the love child of microsoft and satan. I too will not use any product they own, nominally "free" or otherwise.

Satan has a twin sister?

Re:What? (1)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225470)

Satan has a twin sister?

...and she's HOT!

Re:What? (1)

socsoc (1116769) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225106)

Seriously. He's giving up on a FOSS suite because he doesn't like the current owner and is wondering how well a fork of the current codebase works.

Try Google Docs (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34224950)

Try Google Docs or Zoho. Google 'em.

Re:Try Google Docs (4, Informative)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225412)

Google Docs

Not exactly Open Source as the submitter asked for.

It can't be that different already, right? (2, Informative)

tenchikaibyaku (1847212) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224952)

Does it handle complex Powerpoint files okay?

Heh. How different would LibreOffice have managed to become in like the month and a half it's been split from OpenOffice.org?

About stability, I think most of the changes that have been integrated so far has already been somewhat tested by being included in distribution patches or similar, but I admit that I probably don't really know enough to make much of a statement.

Re:It can't be that different already, right? (4, Informative)

Lennie (16154) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225332)

The first thing they did is add all the patches that where already in used by the folks from http://go-oo.org/ [go-oo.org] . These are all the patches that the Linux-maintainers has created/collected but where never accepted by the OpenOffice maintainers, which is actually quiet a lot. Because the acceptance process is so slow.

Open Office a de facto standard? (1)

ferongr (1929434) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224958)

I don't know about you, but if my job was depending on a good Office suite (I'm assuming about work use, since you mention complex presentations) , I would use Microsoft Office 2010. For everything else, there's Office Live, Google Docs and Abiword (for simple text documents).

Re:Open Office a de facto standard? (0)

hackel (10452) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225426)

I'm glad I don't work in your office, or have to pay the software bill every couple years MS decides to release a new version merely to read all the proprietary formats. Seriously--working in that kind of environment would be so miserable.

Close your eyes while logo is displayed (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34224962)

LibreOffice has the spanish word "libre" in it. I can't use that either because I strongly condemn the actions during the Spanish Inquisition.

Java, OpenOffice, MySQL are all GPL or better and no one can change that.

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225130)

Actually the word "libre" is French, problem resolved :)

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (1)

KharmaWidow (1504025) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225378)

The French don't have a sparkling history either if we can hold today's societies to blame for everything and anything that is recorded in history.

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (1)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225194)

Uhm... Isn't Libre a word in multiple romance languages all taken from the original Latin libere? The same root as words such as the English word liberty?

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (1)

neumayr (819083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225296)

Smartass. Yes, it is. So? The Spanish use it in this form, so do the French. Making it a Spanish or French word, depending on pronunciation.

This comment made me a smartass of equal or larger magnitude I guess.. Oh well.

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225430)

Yes, and the Romans killed Jesus Christ. Therefore, LibreOffice is the Devil's office suite.

Re:Close your eyes while logo is displayed (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225274)

GPL or better does not mean no lockins or stupid shit. At best, it means you can see it coming and choose to take another path down the road if one exists. Making that decision right now means that A:, a more popular and probably better developed alternative would already be in existence, and B:, it would send notice to Oracle that they can lose any lockin they perceive they could have if they screw up too bad.

In the end, people making the jump now, ensure that we have options later as well as pose a threat that limits actions in the future.

oblig (2, Funny)

Madster (1194373) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225306)

LibreOffice has the spanish word "libre" in it. I can't use that either because I strongly condemn the actions during the Spanish Inquisition. [...]

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

the actions during the Spanish Inquisition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225464)

whose actions? RMS?

Fork out and buy Office 2010 or iWork (1)

edgecrush3r (813974) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224966)

Alternatively you wait for LibreOffice, if you don't like these products either.

Go buy Microsoft Office (0)

Serenissima (1210562) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224970)

If you seriously need to be that productive and you really can't stand Oracle, then go buy the latest version of MS Office. If you really need to use complex ppt and xls files, then the cost really isn't that bad. Use it until LibreOffice is out of Beta if you have to. Apple has their own work suite too. OpenOffice is the free version. If you can't stand using the free version, go buy one that works for you.

Re:Go buy Microsoft Office (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225320)

They have an MS-Office for linux now?

Don't be launching VirtualBox either. (1)

toby (759) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224982)

Larry pisses his logo on everything first.

Then later he'll set fire to it, cut it into pieces, and throw it in a barrel of quicklime. He's the serial killer of good technology.

Re:Don't be launching VirtualBox either. (5, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225066)

and throw it in a barrel of quicklime

There was a bit of dust on my screen next to the l, so that looked like you said he threw it in a barrel of quicktime. Somehow, the sentence still seemed plausible, it just looked like you'd confused CEOs...

Re:Don't be launching VirtualBox either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225162)

Being dyslectic, I read quicktime too. Quicklime is just way to low on the scale of horribleness.

Re:Don't be launching VirtualBox either. (1)

grondu (239962) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225222)

confused CEOs...

Contact the Department of Redundancy Department.

Re:Don't be launching VirtualBox either. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225302)

That department has been merged with the Department of Repetitions and Redundancies.

The point of Open Source is... (3, Insightful)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224986)

...that you can use whatever software you like. If you were happy with the last Sun release of OpenOffice, then download and use that instead. It should be fine for a couple of years* and by then it should be clear which OSS office software is appropriate for you.

*It's not uncommon for Microsoft to go several years between releases of MS Office, so two years with Sun's last OpenOffice release isn't unreasonable.

for now, don't fear the beast (1)

Maarek Stele (7770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224990)

The only thing Oracle did was plaster their name on the product, once they change support, then worry. Wait until Libre Office is out of beta then switch and your nightmares are over.

LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (4, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224992)

and as such it remains vulnerable to potential legal attacks from Oracle which now owns the Java technology [linux-magazine.com] ...

Disaster awaits if something isn't done about this...

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (5, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225158)

if oracle takes legal action against distributors of software written in java, they may as well close down java.com and close up their database business while they are at it, nobody would trust working with oracle owned properties for anything of any consequence

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (3, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225288)

they may as well close down java.com and close up their database business while they are at it, nobody would trust working with oracle owned properties for anything of any consequence

Give them time, they seem to be working on it full time at the moment.

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225364)

I'm probably being a bit overoptimistic, but: Maybe Oracle realizes this, and won't be dicks? Or maybe they do, and won't be evil enough to make people run, yet barely be tolerable...

So yeah. Dump this crap.

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (3, Informative)

Lennie (16154) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225368)

They don't care about all those users, they just want money from Java-users. They don't care if they loose or piss off the smaller users, the really big enterprise users can't switch in 10 years time anyway. That is where the money is, usually banks and other big companies/institutions.

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (1)

Lanir (97918) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225410)

if oracle takes legal action against distributors of software written in java, they may as well close down java.com and close up their database business while they are at it, nobody would trust working with oracle owned properties for anything of any consequence

Not certain what their take on events looks like but recently that seems to be a high priority secondary objective (money is always the primary objective with any corporation). Based on their activities or lack thereof in regards to the open source community surrounding java and OpenOffice they don't seem to think very highly of the standard slashdot crowd. Based on their recent high profile lawsuits, they don't seem to think much of other businesses either. I'm not sure who that leaves but whoever it is better have deep pockets or they're screwed.

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (1)

Esospopenon (1838392) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225252)

There is some disagreement about the java dependencies. According to OpenOffice.org, you do NOT need Java "If you do not require database tables or accessibility integration or some wizards" and I would not call this a very heavy relianse. Read more on OpenOffice.org wiki [openoffice.org] . I would imagine the same text applies to LibreOffice at this stage.

Re:LibreOffice relies heavily on Java, (1)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225348)

But, AFAIK, the parts of Java that LibreOffice uses (which are less and less as each version goes), are all freely implemented. If they work now, they'll work forever.

Lotus Symphony (3, Informative)

garglebutt (766885) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224994)

Latest version of Lotus Symphony is yet another fork and it has the best Excel compatibility of all the ooo variants. It is free but not open source however (look at SISSL license conditions).

Re:Lotus Symphony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225068)

Yes, do have a look at Lotus Symphony. It may be IBM, the license may not be to your liking, but the UI is quite good. In fact it is very good. If you want to be productive Symphony is def worth a shot.

The problem is what it pulls in (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34224998)

The problem will come if OpenOffice starts to demand Oracle's proprietary version of Java, and then Oracle starts to tighten the screws on Java.

I'm much more worried about MySQL under Oracle's control. Oracle has every reason to make MySQL worse, especially the versions that scale up.

Re:The problem is what it pulls in (2, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225240)

One of the first reactions of the split between Libre/OpenOffice is the dependency on Java is being reduced.

Google ... (1)

ableal (1502763) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225022)

... or any equivalent web service will render those "Office" files for you in a modern browser. "Installing software" is becoming increasingly quaint, except for a very few heavy duty applications.

go-oo.org - libreoffice (1)

raker (103204) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225026)

http://www.go-oo.org - is merging its patches into LibreOffice

I have been using the go-oo.org build for a couple years now very happily. If LIbreOffice is good enough for go-oo.org, its good enough for me

Lockin? (1)

Improv (2467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225074)

You can always leave later. Your data won't always be perfectly portable, but you can keep old versions of Staroffice around and export to various formats.

Ratonale? (2, Insightful)

Stan Vassilev (939229) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225092)

At my job, I've had a less than favorable history with Oracle that I'm not going to get into — rather let's just say I never want anything to do with them again.

I'd like to think people who deal with technology are rational, so if in your dealings with Oracle you have learned of some objective reason why people should avoid OpenOffice.org now, I believe you should share it, if your contract allows.

If there's no objective reason, then quite simply keep using OpenOffice.org and keep an eye on the situation between Oracle and LibreOffice.org.

In our daily lives we use the services of companies that have wronged us by means of poor policy, or unprofessional employees, but if we took a hard stance every single time and dropped everything, even at no clear alternative, society would not last for long.

If you live in US, did you stop using oil fuel and oil based products (i.e. basically almost everything around you) when the BP oil spill happened? I guess not.

Re:Ratonale? (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225330)

These things are rarely objective; if you have to deal with Company X for something and they are spectacular fuckups, then you're not going to willing choose to use their software again if there's any alternative - not because the software is inherently bad, but because you never want to have to deal with the company again in any way.

For precisely this reason, I will never choose to work with Commvault products if at all possible.

Downgrade (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225124)

Did Oracle contribute anything to the previous versions? Are they really so tainted that once they've touched OO, everything that is OO before this point is now dirty as well?
If not, just downgrade.

Seems you have a choice (0)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225148)

OpenOffice, and all the oracle crap that is inevitable. Or MS office.

For my purposes, I choose MSOffice. Sure, I'm supporting the "Evil" MS, but I don't really care about that. I just need something that works, and like it or not, that's MS Office.

Re:Seems you have a choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225212)

Well, microsoft office does not work on ubuntu.

Re:Seems you have a choice (0)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225268)

Then maybe you shouldn't use ubuntu when you have to work on .doc?

It's all about using the right tool for the job. If you are constantly needing access to advanced MS Office documents, then maybe you should use the right tool to access these documents and not what you want to use.

I get it, I do. MS is evil and we all hate them because they are evil. Right. But I don't really care about that, I just care about working as efficiently as possible.

Re:Seems you have a choice (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225326)

OpenOffice, and all the oracle crap that is inevitable. Or MS office.

For my purposes, I choose MSOffice. Sure, I'm supporting the "Evil" MS, but I don't really care about that. I just need something that works, and like it or not, that's MS Office.

Both WORK. If you had talked about Memory Usage, Compatability, File Formats, Ease of Use, you may have chose different...or the same, but yes OpenOffice works for 100 million users, and rising.

Go-oo (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225198)

You should visit Go-oo.org and use their fork of OpenOffice.org.

Re:Go-oo (1)

zhilla2 (1586095) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225294)

From their site: Go-oo has been made obsolete by the exciting new LibreOffice project.

Oracle Logo ? (3, Funny)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225204)

Your problem is the Oracle Logo... go to gnome-look.org and find a new splash screen that suit you.

Abiwords, gunumeric, and dia (1)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225206)

Most users need a word processor and a spread sheet and perhaps a Viso type utility. I guess lots of people probably want a presentation tool like Power Point as well but I never give those types of presentations I am white board man, so I can't help you there. Abiword, Gnumeric and Dia pretty much meet my needs. If I need to look at a Visio doc Microsofts viewer works pretty well under wine. Abiword and Gnumeric are probably not as feature rich as OO.org but both are easier to use IMHO and both handle most Microsoft Office documents of their respective types pretty well. Dia is a pretty good tool for putting together diagrams and getting ideas down fast. Depending on your needs you should check those projects out.

Re:Abiwords, gunumeric, and dia (1)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225468)

Actually, I think gnumeric may well be the best open-source spreadsheet out there, but both oowriter and kword are better than abiword, IMO.

Use the previous fork go-oo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225232)

There was (is) a previous fork without oracle logos, and probably more functionality than your previous version (although I think libreoffice has it)

Here: http://go-oo.org/

AbiWord (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225248)

I don't bother with OpenOffice myself, abiword is simple and handles .doc files well enough. /dev/null makes light work of Powerpoint and Exel files although I used Gnumeric and sc back in the day.

The MrBabyMan of Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225278)

If you weren't a Slashdot celebrity, that ridiculous submission would have been rejected as whining over a complete non-issue. Grab the OOo source, and build your own copy that doesn't display the Oracle logo. Problem solved. (Or just look away when the splash screen appears).

www.freeoffice.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225292)

www.freeoffice.com

counter domain name still available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34225314)

According to network solutions, nooo.org is taken.

But noooo.org is available!

Don't worry about it (4, Insightful)

steveha (103154) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225360)

All Oracle did was buy Sun. There isn't some sort of magical evil contagion that instantly infected OpenOffice.org; the software is no different than it was before the sale.

Now, Oracle could potentially direct OpenOffice.org development to go down the path of evil. They could change the license under which OO.o is distributed to an unacceptable one. They could do all sorts of things! But they haven't had time to do it yet, and by the time they get their evil ducks in a row, LibreOffice will be up and running.

Little-known fact: many (most?) Linux distros are already shipping a non-pure OO.o. There is a collection of patches that were never part of the official OO.o, called Go-oo [go-oo.org] , and distros have been shipping Go-oo instead of the pure Oo.o.

I fully expect LibreOffice to merge all the Go-oo patches, leaving us with two office suites: Oracle OO.o, and LibreOffice. And I think it is very possible that the community will line up behind LibreOffice and leave Oracle OO.o completely irrelevant and unloved. (Consider the situation with Xfree86 and X.org. In that case, the switchover happened in a stunningly short period of time.)

The worst-case scenario is that Oracle adopts some license that keeps LibreOffice from merging Oracle patches, and then Oracle funds a development team to make giant improvements to Oracle OO.o; then the community might have to choose between the free LibreOffice and the Oracle offering. But even there, I am not actually worried. The current state of OpenOffice is usable. Even if Oracle poured huge resources into OO.o development, what could they really offer to tempt us away from LibreOffice? A toolbar with giant icons? A dancing paperclip? Meanwhile, if all that LibreOffice does is simply to fix bugs, improve speed, and rewrite to end Java dependencies, I for one would be completely happy.

If you use OO.o on Windows, just don't take any updates until LibreOffice is ready, and you will be fine. Or better yet, simply start getting your installers from the Go-oo web site. If you use Linux, you almost certainly can simply trust your distro to do a good job of keeping your office suite relatively evil-free.

Oracle may be evil, but they aren't magically evil. Don't worry about this.

P.S. After writing this post, my 'o' key on my keyboard is overheating. I'd better not use it for a while or it might stp wrking.

steveha

string theory (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225444)

or rather:

% strings foo.txt | less

uhhh, it DOES work and it often good enough for reading readme.txt files that should have been text to begin with.

Don't Switch.. Yet (1)

SirThe (1927532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34225462)

LibreOffice isn't really ready for production use, it randomly freezes up for me when trying to save documents sometimes, as well as freezing sometimes when trying to export PDFs as well (no clue why). I wouldn't recommend using it, yet.
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