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US Marshals Saved 35,000 Full Body Scans

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the look-at-my-blurry-junk dept.

Government 712

PatPending writes "A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter-wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that US Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly — perhaps illegally — saved [35,000] images [low resolution] of the scans of public servants and private citizens."

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712 comments

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244766)

wut is this i don't evar

Good. Hope this keeps up (5, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244776)

The more these assholes abuse their power, the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Oh god, who am I kidding?..

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244812)

Soon giving up your dignity will be a requirement at all government facilities. Want to vote? Drop your drawers, figuratively anyways...

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (5, Insightful)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244924)

In order to be a juror at a building, I was required to remove my belt and shoes.

The Republic was somehow able to survive through 2 World Wars, a Civil War, and multiple British invasions (see what I did there?) without disrobing jurors. There is no greater threat now than has existed in the past. There is only a populace that is more cowed and less willing to challenge an ever increasing authority.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (4, Funny)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244946)

Don't worry, I'm sure this will change now that we've voted those Republicans out.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245084)

I thought that too -- always knew that I would disagree with BHO on most domestic issues but I had anticipated that he would restore some respect for civil liberties into the Federal Government. Instead we've learned that the Democrats are just as happy as the GOP to embrace security theater.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (0, Flamebait)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245240)

Things were a hell of a lot less invasive under GWB, screeching about the Patriot Act and all. No government agent was taking nude photos of me or putting their hands down my pants.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (-1, Flamebait)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245286)

You obviously didn't fly after 9/11. In fact, the full body scanning program began under the Bush Administration. I love you lying Republic fucktards and how easily you conveniently forget the truth (AKA lie).

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (4, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245364)

I love you lying Republic fucktards and how easily you conveniently forget the truth (AKA lie).

The truth is that the security theater has been embraced by both parties. Obama's Homeland Security secretary is currently the biggest cheerleader for this technology. He is every bit as guilty as GWB of infringing on our civil liberties. The only question is what are you going to do about it?

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245406)

I've flown well over 100 times since 9/11 and have yet to actually see one of these machines.

Six flights over the past two weeks included.

Here is a fact to help you with your education: (5, Informative)

GungaDan (195739) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245294)

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (2, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245264)

It's almost as if the President doesn't micromanage the TSA and leaves the job up to the person he appointed to do it.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (3, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245358)

Much of the recent Security Theatre, for example, the requirement to notify the government 72 hours in advance when you travel domestically [tsa.gov] in the USA now being phased in as a result of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which was, of course, passed by a Republican Congress. But I agree with you in spirit, that I expected more from him in this regard.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245230)

It won't change unless you kick both the Republicans AND the Democrats out.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

Inschato (1350323) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245348)

Sorry no, but it won't change until there is some key technological or cultural revolution on the scale of the (first) American Revolution. Power is never taken away gradually. Something like First Contact, Free Energy(Cheap Nuclear Fusion, Antimatter, whatever), or the gates of hell suddenly opening up would probably do it. Okay maybe not that last one unless it completely destroyed all forms of government entirely. A massive Nuclear Incident (Say, 1+ Megatons going off anonymously in Moscow/London/New York) would most likely instill marshal law in most countries. This could eventually lead to complete civil revolt. It's hard to say really, speculation is all the rage!

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (4, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244814)

the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Problem is - you're trained from day 1 to entrust your power to them. Most everyone doesn't believe there is any other way.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (5, Insightful)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245064)

President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson, I find this very difficult to understand. I was under the impression that I was the only one in authority to order the use of nuclear weapons.

General "Buck" Turgidson: That's right, sir, you are the only person authorized to do so. And although I, uh, hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, General Ripper exceeded his authority.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (4, Insightful)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245130)

Socialist countries were just a bullshit power game, capitalist countries are just a bullshit power game. The difference is that in the capitalist countries there is good marketing.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (2, Interesting)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245196)

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” -Sir Winston Churchill

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

jefe7777 (411081) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245352)

and yet, for the state to remove vice, requires the state have a gun. and you have none.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (2, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244916)

The more these assholes abuse their power, the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Oh god, who am I kidding?..

Yeah, you mean they're doing that exact thing that we knew they were going to do and abusing their power? Nope, nobody saw that coming.

Oh, and you're some kind of paranoid tin-foil hat wearing nutter if you ever read about a not-yet-implemented proposal and say "this is dangerous because it will be abused." We must ridicule and marginalize those who aren't in denial about basic reality ... err I mean those paranoid naysayers at once. Cue the "I got nothing to hide", "why don't you want to stop terrorists", and "this is all for your own good" posts.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (2, Funny)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244982)

The anal-drug-and-bomb-probing story has been commonly mentioned. It seems these agents wouldn't mind it after all. Soon there will be live pole-dancing naked silhouettes around airports. On-demand-real-airport-agent feel-you-up whisky bars. If this trend keeps up airports will be the new destination for people needing various sexual fantasies fulfilled.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

shoehornjob (1632387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245006)

Exactly. People don't care till their backs are up against the wall. It's amazing how complacent this country has become.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245068)

Exactly. People don't care till their backs are up against the wall. It's amazing how complacent this country has become.

Apparently the certain knowledge that they will have their backs up against the wall if they continue down this path doesn't move them. Until it actually happens there's lots denial to go around.

The predictability of it all makes me want to use "stupid" where you used "complacent" sometimes.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245316)

It's not that people don't care. It's that they realize that they are powerless to change anything.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (5, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245044)

I overheard it put this way: "If the government is going to keep groping our wives and daughters [wikipedia.org] , somebody's going to go Braveheart on them." Oppressive behavior just creates terrorists, it doesn't find or defeat them.

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (1)

BuckaBooBob (635108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245216)

Where are The massive fines and Jail time for those that abuse power like this?

I share 27 Songs on the Internet.. Over a 1 million dollar fine... Invade privacy and abuse power... I keep my job and I will likely get a raise... Its unlikely I will even lose a day of work.

Where is the deterrent?

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245224)

Hearings will be held... Mandates will be suggested... Reformed procedures will be put in place...

And yet, no one will be held accountable... It was a one off instance ... This will not deter from the fact that this is still security theater and insider Corporate glad-handed, with fairly useless and dangerous technology ... And the continued moans by the plebeians who suffer the now potential financial $10K fine and temporary incarceration for refusing this incredulous scan, if you happen to be one of chosen few, will be cast aside by any and all elected officials, government agencies, and judiciary bodies.

Freedom? Sure, there's freedom. Stay home, drive in your car, take the ferry, charter a boat, take flight from outside the US. For a while now, US air travel has been a joke, and a nothing more than a way to keep a constant uneasiness strewn amongst the public.

Accept it, or go around it*.

*requires increased time allotment and money

Re:Good. Hope this keeps up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245252)

The more these assholes abuse their power, the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.

Oh god, who am I kidding?..

Look, damnit, do you WANT to be safe or NOT? Now shut the fuck up and get in the sperm-tester FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY YOU UNPATRIOTIC PRICK.

What's that? You don't want to get your sperm tested for terror-anchor-babies? Look, buddy, I don't want to hear any of this "ovaries" bullshit out of you. Planes have this funny way of... you know... falling down and all if they're not SAFE and PATRIOTIC, and you wouldn't want us to make them unsafe or unpatriotic, would you?

Sooner or later (2, Funny)

bchickens (255621) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244832)

We all knew it would happen sooner or later. So, when does Bodyscanporn.com open up? :)

Re:Sooner or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244878)

We all knew it would happen sooner or later. So, when does Bodyscanporn.com open up? :)

Right now :D Thanks for the idea!

Re:Sooner or later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244904)

Not until after the inevitable data breach. Relax and wait for the torrent!

Re:Sooner or later (3, Funny)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244932)

RateMyBodyScan.com

IsMyScanHotOrNot.com

etc.

Better go register them quick!

Re:Sooner or later (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245024)

tsa.xxx would be ideal!

Re:Sooner or later (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245250)

wouldn't that be a .gov ?

WHERE ARE THE CHICKS MAN !!?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244840)

I wanna see some neked chicks man !! COME ON !! So do you !!

Dream job for a peeper (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244848)

It will only get worse from here...

uhuh (5, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244850)

And they'll get about as much of a punishment as Charles Rangel.

Like maybe: "The officers involved have received reprimands that will go in their permanent record."

Re:uhuh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245000)

Well of course once the Republican and Tea Party are in charge, there'll be NONE of this. Too bad we have to wait until 2012 for that.

2012? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245148)

The end of the world? Or did you mean the next election? Heh.

Re:2012? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245402)

and do the two events have to be actually different???

Re:uhuh (0, Flamebait)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245386)

>And they'll get about as much of a punishment as Charles Rangel.

Its not like all these restrictions started under the GOP/Bush government, right?

Ah yes when the GOP/Tea Party types are in power in January we'll see no more of this, right? The scanners will be torn down as the uber-conservative Ayn Rand superman asserts himself using only the immense will of his superior ego! We will cower beneath this man who will make all transport safe with just his superior stare and the quick intellect! Who would dare challenge this Adonis among men? For he is truly more god than man! Surely, terrorism will end that day!

Naww, they'll just outlaw Islam and start camps. Maybe shoot a couple more abortion doctors for good measure.

Opt for the frisking (4, Insightful)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244876)

If someone is going to invade my privacy for pointless security theater, I might as well make it as uncomfortable and inconvenient for them as possible. In airports, I always opt for frisking instead backscatter. No pictures to save then, either.

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244954)

If you had watched the slideshow, you would have noticed that people were getting scanned long before they were within the scanner walls.

Re:Opt for the frisking (5, Funny)

coldfarnorth (799174) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245052)

Ratchet things up a notch. Wear a kilt.

Re:Opt for the frisking (3, Funny)

dintech (998802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245134)

And take laxatives.

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245056)

That's one option.

The other is described in Heinlein's PuppetMasters. His specific version is also a solution to the bomb problem as well.

So why don't we abolish the indecent exposure offence for starters. Personally, I do not really care about anyone getting pictures of me in the buff. Nothing particularly interesting to see there.

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245094)

And do a little thrust while they're down there.

And drop a few lines like "Hey, aren't you gonna at least buy me dinner first?"

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245098)

better yet, grab some gentalmans literature on your way to the airport to get yourself prepped and see if you can fake a lisp. After they get done say "Thanks honey" in the loudest effeminate voice you can muster.

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245204)

You know, the sad thing about comments like this, IMHO: it just betrays the bigotry directed at homosexuals...

Re:Opt for the frisking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245412)

Any of the homosexuals I know are going to do that very thing when they go to the USA (if they go). You have to fight this absurdity with a similar vein.

Besides, I don't think it's possible for heterosexuals to get felt^H^H^H^Hfrisked by the opposite sex.

Re:Opt for the frisking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245178)

So the way I see it, you could do one of the following 1) tape lead lined letters to your body saying I Love you or similar message or 2) Act as if you are getting turned on by the patdown

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245248)

If someone is going to invade my privacy for pointless security theater, I might as well make it as uncomfortable and inconvenient for them as possible. In airports, I always opt for frisking instead backscatter. No pictures to save then, either.

How about opt out of flying altogether? If enough people did this the policy would change. Your idea is that we should submit to a physical sexual assault instead of a non-physical one -- that hardly seems like a game-changer to me. If anything the Government will eventually take away the ability to opt-out of the scanning technology, as our cousins across the pond have already done.

I will not be forced to choose between being physically assaulted or virtually strip searched to exercise my right to travel.

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245268)

Request a female TSA agent...be incredibly crude and go for all the buttons to make her cry. Gloves are off.

Re:Opt for the frisking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245376)

Request a female TSA agent

Somehow I doubt that’s going to work out for you.

Then again... you might have better luck if you claim you’re a pre-op MTF transsexual lesbian. Forcing a lesbian to let someone fondle her genitals is probably a little more iffy (even if she does have balls).

Re:Opt for the frisking (1)

somaTh (1154199) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245346)

I suggest investing in a pair of thermal socks, especially if you're female. I would suggest brautwursts, but that's just too messy.

Re:Opt for the frisking (4, Interesting)

Achra (846023) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245382)

I second this 100%. I used to work as a correctional officer in a prison, so being frisked is literally no big deal to me at all. I like to give the TSA agent (who always looks way more uncomfortable than I do) tips. "You didn't check the bottoms of my feet". "You didn't have me take my hair down"... "You didn't check my junk". The fact is that these frisk searches are STILL security theater, they are still unwilling to do a proper search. I say make these guys do their jobs. If they are wanting to search people, make them search people by HAND. Plus, do we really need any more ionizing radiation in our lives? This stuff is aggregate.

Any teens? (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244880)

I'm sure that whoever makes those machines is not happy. Whoever was the salesman and just lives off commissions might be ecstatic. Now he gets to propose a whole new line of machines, and a whole new commission, on thousands of machines worth a million bucks each.

Re:Any teens? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245092)

Yep, as somebody on Slashdot noted it before: just wait until some sick guards leak just a single scan of a teen or a kid, and then hire the best lawyers around and make them [the guards, not the lawyers] rot forever in prison for producing child porn.

Re:Any teens? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245296)

[the guards, not the lawyers]

Awww, can't we do both?

is this what you're worried about? (0, Flamebait)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244884)

so these blurry, blobby, only vaguely human shaped images are what we're supposed to be worried about violating our nude bodies privacy?

Re:is this what you're worried about? (5, Insightful)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244930)

No, it's the fact that the data isn't supposed to be stored. They're retaining the data illegally. That's what we're supposed to be even more worried about--the abuse of the system.

Re:is this what you're worried about? (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245188)

Of COURSE the images are being stored. Do you think for one moment that they would not be able to recall the images immediately after some airplane has an unforeseen tragic event? Within the hour, CIA Langley would be scrutinizing the scrotes of everybody who boarded, for the past six flights that each passenger took. Even if it turned out to be a maintenance issue or design defect like Qantas just endured. It boggles the mind how many people will just say "but... but... but they SAID they'd delete the images."

Re:is this what you're worried about? (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245226)

On the plus side, there will be lots of leaked celebrity nude scans on the Internet starting any day now.

Re:is this what you're worried about? (3, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244942)

No, what you should be worried about is that other people are concerned, and the government that represents them doesn't give a shit.

You should be concerned that the government that represents them lied to everyone and said that images could not be saved on the machines that the TSA was getting.

You should be concerned that you are being asked to give up more and more privacy, now the privacy of what is under your clothes and in your pockets, for little more than the simple assertion that it is needed, with nothing of significance to show any real credible threat whatsoever.

-Steve

Re:is this what you're worried about? (4, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245262)

I agree with you in principle. But where were you when "if $something saves one child it is worth it" crowd is going nuts? Some deranged loon would do something really crazy. Some 200 policemen and FBI agents would chase every lead, winnow them down over a month. And finally when all the facts are available, this crowd would come in demanding action, demanding accountability, demanding action, demanding something to be done. "If only that police officer in that traffic light, clearly seen in the video had stopped the perp who was walking when the DontWalk sign was on, this whole tragedy would have been averted" They would chant demand somebody or the other to be fired. So they have perfected CYA strategies to fine arts level.

None of the politicians would stand by any government servant. If there is one thing civil servants know, it is when the shit hits the fan, one of them will be scape goated. Media would be going fanning the flames. All those liberatarians and the small government conservatives and the "tax cuts will solve everything" crowd will be silent, very very silent. There will be no one to tell in the media frenzy, "It is sad it happened, but it can't prevented without serious invasion of privacy of millions of people and huge expansion of the government and law enforcement expenditure."

Next time a terrorist blows up a plane, stand up and say, "yeah, it is sad and tragic. But we as a country have gone through far worse. We lost a million soldiers in WW II. 50K in Vietnam. Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, London were all bombed mercilessly. We survived. Compared to that it losing two buildings and 3000 people is nothing. If we cower in our shoes and crap in pants, the terrorists have won. Just let us go back to normalcy." But no one will.

Re:is this what you're worried about? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245318)

We lost a million soldiers in WW II.

The number [wikipedia.org] was closer to 400k than one million.....

operators "cannot store, print, transmit or save" (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244898)

HE DIDN'T RESPECT THEIR PRIVACY? INCONCEIVABLE!
You keep using that word 'privacy.' I do not think it means what you think it means.

nice princess.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245256)

bride reference

Good income (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244910)

How much do the high-resolution images with names cost? I am sure these things will start appearing on websites. highresolutionimagesofthestars.com

I'll be honest... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244920)

The way people were talking about the scans, I thought these images would be a lot worse.

If you didn't have photographs of actual people standing next to them you wouldn't even know what these pictures were.

Abuse of power is never new (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244972)

Every time the public or public advocates complain about new law enforcement technologies or powers, it is always important to remember is that it is not the ability to perform effective law enforcement that is the problem -- it is precisely to prevent the inevitable abuse of power that we seek to enjoin. Let's forget about official abuse of power (which also happens frequently) and look at unofficial and inappropriate abuse of power such as a sheriff's deputy using their police facilities to check up on his girlfriend or his daughter's boyfriend. This is a kind of abuse of power that I would most certainly find irresistible as would most people. This is precisely why such powers should be handed out carefully and controlled even more carefully. Corruption is a problem of opportunity, not a defect of character.

Re:Abuse of power is never new (3, Informative)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245362)

You're absolutely correct, but at the same time, let's not forget that such abuses occur because those in power deliberately lie to the people. That is what the Gizmodo article proves--that the public is intentionally told falsehoods so that the government can continue their abuse. It isn't the individual screener or machine that is the root of corruption. Rather, the corruption is systematic, in the form of a security agency that tells people that their privacy is assured when it is not. They do this because it makes their task more expedient, and gives the impression of effectiveness. Much the same can be said of the deliberate provocation of fear as a means of gaining more power and control.

I repeat: the corruption is systematic. Yes, you can remove the opportunity to exploit weaknesses and the lack of accountability, but this is a piecemeal approach to fixing the larger underlying problem, which is that we have a system that is accountable to no one, that is fundamentally disinterested in serving its stated purpose, and exists for the sole purpose of allowing those in power to concentrate their influence through the use of scare tactics and lies. In other words, we wouldn't need to stop individual enforcement officers from violating people's privacy, and we wouldn't need the regulations to do so, if we didn't need to subject people to these scans in the first place. This technology didn't always exist, yet people weren't being blown out of the skies every day for the lack of it. There's an unspoken, and therefore largely unchallenged, assumption that this kind of screening is necessary--which on the face of it is an absurd claim, for if it were, the only rational way to use it would be to apply it to everybody. And I need not state the myriad ways in which someone with half a brain would still find it trivial to circumvent it.

What is needed is a drastic change, one in which the people reassert their control over the government that purports to serve them. I doubt this will happen, but nevertheless it is the only viable solution.

I thought nude viewing was in separate room ? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34244974)

I thought that for passengers' privacy, the nude-o-scope operator was in another room with no view of the real person, but these photographs match each person with their scan so there obviously is a simple way to view person both clothed and naked! ohhh, the opportunities...

[low resolution] (1)

Parallax Blue (836836) | more than 3 years ago | (#34244976)

And that makes a difference how? It's still a blatant invasion of personal privacy, low res or not.

Scanning not confined to pad (5, Interesting)

beefnog (718146) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245012)

Did anybody else notice that in some of the images the people well behind the pad (but still in the image frame) are showing up as well? Just how much EM do these things ACTUALLY emit?

Re:Scanning not confined to pad (1)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245138)

i can see headlines 5 years from now:
Frequent flyers statistically have higher infertility rates. Federal Gov't passes the TSA can do no wrong preventing any lawsuits for any wrong doing.

A major tool in the fight against obesity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245026)

Require cavity searches for anyone wishing to enter a fast food restaurant. It'll save lives and public money spent on health care.

Re:A major tool in the fight against obesity (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245158)

Require cavity searches for anyone wishing to enter a fast food restaurant

Have you ever seen the people that enter fast food restaurants? You'd have a lot more than the standard number of cavities to search.....

The same machines we're repeatedly told can't save (3, Insightful)

fotbr (855184) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245034)

You mean the same machines that we're repeatedly told cannot save images? The ones people don't like because of the privacy invasion and the answer is always "the machines cannot save images"?

Who is actually surprised by this?

Didn't think of looking there... (1)

BTremblay (896672) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245038)

So THAT'S where I left my keys!

Security personel are always dicks (5, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245072)

Is anyone really surprised? Have you ever met a mall security guard, bouncer, airport monkey who wasn't a complete power abusing ass? Face it people do give them grief and it can be a shitty job so the only people that are going to take it are the type who are looking to bully the public.

Re:Security personel are always dicks (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245244)

You know we don't have those over here in the UK. Weird how your guys take it beyond serious.

Re:Security personel are always dicks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245408)

Have you ever met a mall security guard, bouncer, airport monkey who wasn't a complete power abusing ass?

The rest I may agree with, but just as a general rule: If the bouncer's being an ass to you, you deserve it.

If you don't understand this rule, you really deserve it.

Re:Security personel are always dicks (2, Insightful)

AjaxIII (1237230) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245422)

I agree there is a higher percentage of dicks in the security profession then there are in other ones, however that has more to do with minimum wage lackey given an illusion of power than the profession itself. As long as putting a warm body in a suit and calling it "Security" is the standard accepted practice, we are going to keep getting dicks in those jobs. Find a place where the qualifications for security are a little higher, and the pay is a bit better and you get completely different attitudes.

Anonymous (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245096)

Demirdokum Aden Kombi [blogcu.com]

Illegal saving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245112)

If illegal, they should be prosecuted.

That was fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245144)

I know these things have been in the news for years, but they have been in general service in most airports for like what? Two months? And already there's a scandal about naked pictures being saved. That's got to be some kind of record.

Quit voting for big government/higher taxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34245150)

A big powerful government that has the power to "solve problems" will only use that power AGAINST YOU in the end.

And never forget: TAXES: THEY *WILL* BE USED AGAINST YOU

Or you can keep deluding yourself, "But MY problems are different, and the candidates that I vote for are special and wouldn't do THAT.

Silver bullet (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245162)

Childs have to pass thru body scan? Sarah Palin? Senators? There should be one bad scenario that could convince the people that matter that it should stop.

Pie Crust Promise (4, Interesting)

SloWave (52801) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245278)

Saying "the pictures will never be saved" is known as a "Pie Crust Promise" - easily made, easily broken. Here is some interesting reading on similar promises from the government, especially on how the SSN will never be used for identification. http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-plague-of-presidential-pie-crust-promises [scragged.com] . The moral is never EVER trust the government .

We need to focus at more pressing issues (1, Offtopic)

postmortem (906676) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245288)

Which are debt, falling behind in everything behind China. We can't solve everything. This is example how we wate time bi***ing about everything and anything, and do nothing to make things better.

Good time to campaign for trains (4, Insightful)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245292)

Trains don't fall from the sky. They run on electric power. Carry many more people than planes. Stops right in the middle of downtown, origin and destination, no trip to and from the airport needed. Sometimes you can just get on, no papers or checking at all, and buy the ticket later on board. Sometimes there is a restaurant car, or a bar car. You can see the scenery, it is less than a yard away from your window. You have long seats, tables, lots of space, walk around the cars. You can get off at the next town, walk around, and take the next train. There are almost never any accidents. Did I say it's electric?

Re:Good time to campaign for trains (2, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245388)

Trains take multiple days to go from one side of this country to the other. Not flying is simply dodging the problem, and unchecked they'll push it on the trains too.

OId news (1)

llung (1841162) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245326)

This is old news folks. Looks like Gizmodo saw the original news story some time ago, filed an FOIA request and now that they've got the goods, they show it so it's a new story? Not taking away from the seriousness of the issue mind you but this is pretty lame as far as news goes.

That's nothing (5, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245336)

The TSA is now groping women's breasts and little kids genitals. (See the recent video of a girl crying, "Stop touching me!"

And I just now heard an interview with an American is being punished $11,000 by the U.S.G. because he refused to be scanned, or groped by the TSA, so the guards told him, "You cannot fly." He then canceled his ticket, got a refund, left the airport, and was arrested for leaving the area.

Apparently once you enter an air terminal, you no longer have any rights... except to submit to the US Gestapo and their warrantless/illegal searches.

Solution to not getting your junk touched! (1)

elkstoy (930915) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245340)

The best solution I heard is to erect an armored booth that detonated any explosive. Everyone has to go through it. Saves time and court expense. Nobody has to take off their shoes or empty their bags. It all goes in with them. The only problem would be how to make it self cleaning?

so my choice is (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245368)

1. radiation exposure and some mall cop staring at my dick. with pictures for permanent internet memories

2. some mall cop groping my dick

i choose 3: fuck flying. taking the airplane is a burdensome horrendous experience that just keeps getting worse and worse. it makes driving 20 hours seem more attractive than flying 4 hours

"the terrorists have won" is a lame trite statement, but it's true. they've permanently altered our society to turn us into scared cattle and they've permanently made airplanes a hellish unattractive transportation method

Viagra time (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245370)

Next time I fly, I'm going to swallow lots of Viagra. If they're going to frisk me, they'll have to accept that I don't have a 3rd leg. I'm sure those bright minds will figure it out eventually.

Sorry to hold up the line folks. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do... :)

Thats Unpossible. (3, Insightful)

RichMan (8097) | more than 3 years ago | (#34245414)

So where are the political people who promised us it was "impossible" for the images from these scanners to be saved? It was clearly a manufacturing possibility that the images could be stored. And the rule of operation is that "if it can be done, it will be".

Geeky systems observation:

There needs to be a better political process where, when the political message is later proven to be a lie, we can shoot the original messenger. Because without negative feedback the system will continue to run amok. The current political process is not good enough and has a large enough time lag that corrective factors build up and sever oscillations occur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_margin

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