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Official Google Voice App Approved For iOS

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the do-they-need-a-killer-app? dept.

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silverpig writes "Apple has finally approved the official Google Voice app for iOS. After 16 months of being in app-review limbo, the app is finally here, but only for users in the US, and not for iPod Touch users. An interesting use for the app would be to use it as a dialing front end on an iPod touch in concert with a VOIP service, but it seems like this isn't an option for now. It seems like non-US users can get the app if they have a US iTunes account. You can create a US iTunes account without a credit card by following this Apple article."

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Advertisements for Nerds. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34249788)

Advertisements that matter.

Holy $@#* (1)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249792)

Apple is playing nicely with Google for a change? *GASP*

Re:Holy $@#* (2, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249802)

This is clearly an attack on Adobe somehow!

I don't understand the logistics of it, but I'm sure it somehow ruins flash on the iPhone.

First time for everything (4, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249834)

I mean, we can ignore Apple and Google playing nicely with each other on:
webkit
html5
iOS maps
search provider for safari
up-to-date mac versions of most google stuff
etc...

Re:First time for everything (1)

RobNich (85522) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250284)

Actually, iOS maps is a stretch at this point. The app has barely changed since the initial release of the iPhone, and it's missing a ton of features at this point.

Re:First time for everything (3, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251520)

Except that Google is still providing the content, (all Apple really did was write a thin wrapper around google maps - the web version).

Google sneaks in Traffic via croud sourcing, trails, bike routes and a lot of other content that Apple can't prevent, because all they are actually getting is images fed to them by google.

Its pretty funny really, Apple brags they wrote maps, only to have Traffic show up on the Exact day Google releases it and Apple was none the wiser (and by some reports pisses off).

But all the cool Google maps features added to Android are missing from from the iPhone.

Re:Holy $@#* (0)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249864)

No they're playing nice with the EU so they don't have to fork over 100 million dollars in fines

Re:Holy $@#* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250132)

by releasing software that's US only?

I don't think so

Re:Holy $@#* (2, Insightful)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250154)

Nice? It took them a year and a half to approve something that tons of other applications have already provided for that long? That's not "nice".

This was a seriously anti-competitive move by Apple, trying to damage Google Voice while favoring their competitors. Fortunately, iPhone is not big enough of a player for that to have mattered much.

Re:Holy $@#* (1)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251080)

Yeah, iPhone is totally this bit player that nobody ever thinks about... cause you know I'll bet theres only A POST A DAY on slashdot about it.

Re:Holy $@#* (1)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251228)

As far as the overall phone market is concerned, yeah, iPhone is a bit player. And it's the overall phone market that matters to Google Voice.

Re:Holy $@#* (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250484)

And it only took 16 months! That sure is swell of Apple.

Wait what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34249794)

The Apocalypse!!

Canada? (3, Interesting)

Denis Lemire (27713) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249800)

Google Voice sounds really cool... Sure wish they'd bring it to Canada... In time I guess...

Re:Canada? (1)

silverpig (814884) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249930)

You can kind of get google voice in Canada with a workaround [wifitalk.ca] . It's not pretty and not exactly perfectly usable, but it can be done. The free text messaging is nice, and free long distance is okay if you don't care about receiving calls to a US number. You can also get the app in Canada quite easily with a very simple workaround [wifitalk.ca] .

Now, if only iPod Touch support... (3, Interesting)

hezekiah957 (1219288) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249818)

I'm wondering why they restrict it to iPhone only...

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249888)

I'm wondering why they restrict it to iPhone only...

Because Apple wants you to buy their iPhone or iPad ... especially if you already have an iPod touch.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Informative)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250718)

It doesn't work on iPad either, since the iPad can't place calls. Google's app has no VoIP support

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249896)

I bet contracts. If the touch let you make voip calls, lots of people would probably forgo a cell phone. If it works at work and at home that is all a great many people need.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Informative)

frnic (98517) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250134)

Google Voice will not replace a phone - it needs a phone to work.

However, iPod (3 or 4) work fine as a cell phone when used with a Mifi, the only limitation I have found is that you can not pair a bluetooth head set with the iPod and must either use the built-in microphone (gen 4) or a cable ear bud/microphone combo. Line2 App is an excellent method of using an iPod in place of a cell phone.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250668)

No it just needs a number. Nothing stopping you from using sip for that.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Informative)

SirMasterboy (872152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251284)

I have been using Google Voice for nearly a year without a phone, it's called Gizmo5. Check out SIP and you will understand the real benefit to Google Voice and why you don't actually need a real phone or any minutes to make and receiver unlimited calls.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250150)

I have Skype on my iPod Touch; it's basically the same thing (plus IM).

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250174)

All I want is an itouch with google voice support. I don'twant to, ever, give another dollar ot a cell phone provider. Worked well the last 2 years, but I'd like to use an itouch instead of a laptop. Hopefully the android tablets will do that.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Insightful)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249914)

Because it's a phone forwarding app, not a VOIP app. It would do nothing without an active phone connection.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249942)

You can forward it to a sip phone number though.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Informative)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250026)

Or a Skype-In number.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251614)

Because it's a phone forwarding app, not a VOIP app. It would do nothing without an active phone connection.

I don't think that's the reason. It's not as if people who have an iPod touch lack some other kind of phone access. If I wrote an app which allowed people to make updates to their web site, would it get rejected because iOS devices aren't web servers?

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Insightful)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250112)

I'm wondering why they restrict it to iPhone only...

Because it's not a VoIP application and requires a telephone connection to work. I'm sure someone will point out that it can integrate with SIP, but that that's a non-discoverable, for nerds only feature for which Google doesn't provide any web interface or instructions on how to use. Joe Average isn't going to be using SIP with Google Voice until it's officially supported. Google did buy Gizmo5 so they may make it happen at some point in the future.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251626)

That's news to me since Google voice on my Android works as long as wifi is enabled. It can use a phone connection but by no means does it have to and by no means is it only available to geeks as that is the primary feature of Google voice. Are you saying that the app on iOS is that way? If so then I don't know why you would install it as you can control all of that from the web.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251740)

Because it's not a VoIP application and requires a telephone connection to work. I'm sure someone will point out that it can integrate with SIP, but that that's a non-discoverable, for nerds only feature for which Google doesn't provide any web interface or instructions on how to use. Joe Average isn't going to be using SIP with Google Voice until it's officially supported. Google did buy Gizmo5 so they may make it happen at some point in the future.

Gee, if Google needs an example how to do SIP easier, take a look at Facetime.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (3, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250120)

I'm wondering why they restrict it to iPhone only...

The summary had the muddled statement:

An interesting use for the app would be to use it as a dialing front end on an iPod touch in concert with a VOIP service, but it seems like this isn't an option for now.

... which leads you to believe that Google Voice could be used on an ipod touch as a dialer for voip.

But GV still uses your Cell minutes to make and receive calls, it does not use Voip, it does not let you talk over wifi.

I suspect that GV could become a full fledged voip service at the flip of the switch but Google does not want to piss off the carriers just yet. So you would still need the carriers unless you had wifi, and that leaves out the ability to use it on an ipod.

However if you have an old iphone laying around after you upgraded to something newer, you can download and install it on that phone, (I tested this with a 3G) even if that iPhone does not have a sim card installed. BUT ONLY for SMS, and checking your Google Voicemail Not Voice calls.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Interesting)

SuperMog2002 (702837) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251432)

Now that 4.0 allows you to background a VOIP app and still place and receive calls, what's stopping you from installing a VOIP client on your iPod Touch and telling Google Voice to use that number?

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

silverpig (814884) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251594)

Absolutely nothing. This can easily be done with Skype, Fring, Truphone, Bria... There are many options. This is what the comment referred to.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251496)

I have used my edge iPhone for GV calls w/ VOIP over wifi where there is no cell service. You just have to use "old interface" and have it dial your DID number. I have not downloaded the official ap yet, this was through the web interface.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (2, Informative)

Firehed (942385) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250182)

Google Voice is NOT a VoIP service (at least not the part you interact with), so using it from anything other than the iPhone would be rather difficult. Unless you wanted to use your iPod Touch/iPad as a remote control of sorts to have GV dial out through your home landline. It's akin to asking why there's no phone app on the iPod Touch. Or any other internet-connected, non-phone device out there for that matter.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250306)

Google Voice is NOT a VoIP service (at least not the part you interact with), so using it from anything other than the iPhone would be rather difficult.

Unless you interact with it through the GMail web interface with the (maybe Chrome only?) voice-calling add-on, in which case it is a VoIP service. But, at any rate, the iOS app isn't a VoIP app.

You can use Google Voice from a non-phone device (with the normal Google Voice web interface, for instance) quite well, though of course you need to have a phone to make or receive calls (but not to send or receive text messages, read or listen to voice mails, etc.)

Yes, Google Voice is a VOIP service (3, Interesting)

sampas (256178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251328)

Asterisk 1.8 has support for Google's unique protocol for voice. The result: Free calls anywhere in the US from any device or other PBX you've connected to your Asterisk box. All you need is to have compiled jabber and gtalk into your Asterisk build. Free calls in and out. FreeSwitch also supports Google Voice trunks. Google Voice is still having issues now and then, though, so it's not yet ready for prime time. I suspect that's why they're not rolling it out faster. You can connect any SIP or IAX client, wireless or not, to your Asterisk/FreeSwitch box.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0, Redundant)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250280)

I'm wondering why they restrict it to iPhone only...

Because the Google Voice app isn't a VoIP app, the phone-related functionality requires actually having a phone.

It would be of limited utility on an iPod touch or other non-phone iOS device.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250358)

the only purpose to use the dialer is to call a 3rd party number that re-dials the number you wanted to call so that they see your google voice name/number on their caller ID. You're still using your cellphone carrier's voice minutes. For now, it won't work on iPod or iPad. There are Third party GV apps that will make your phone ring instead.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (1)

SirMasterboy (872152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251266)

I use GV Mobile+ or the Google Voice Webapp and I don't use any of my minutes. I have Google Voice set up to ring my Gizmo5 number for which there is an app for also. This then rings my iPhone through a push notification to the Gizmo5 app and I answer it. It connects be through my unlimited 3G.

For some reason, this official Google Voice app will not let me do this which is really stupid.

This would work just as well on an iPod or iPad with WiFi.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250970)

Google Voice will never support VoIP because they rely on carriers to distribute Android, so you won't see it on Android, and apparently not iOS either, at least for now. If you want the equivalent of Google Voice with VoIP, that works on iPod touch and iPad and iPhone, try Line2. Full Disclosure I work there but its relevant to this thread so I'm letting everyone know.

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251128)

how about no microphone?

Re:Now, if only iPod Touch support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251488)

Because when you call out, you're still using the phone portion of your plan (not the data, so this isn't a true VOIP solution).

Whats worse? (1)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249822)

Whats worse? Apple taking a YEAR AND A HALF to approve an app, the google voice app. Or Google for still not offering the service outside the US? I'm kinda upset by both of them ...

Having said that, IMHO apple is just giving in because of the latest governmental inquiries ...

Re:Whats worse? (4, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34249992)

Not offering the service outside the US I can understand, it takes time and money to work through any regulatory issues covering phone service in any country.

Apple sitting on it for 1.5 years? Less execusable. Stop me while I don't rush out to buy an iPhone.

Re:Whats worse? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250566)

STOP! STOP STOP!

(you asked us to stop you when you don't rush out and buy an iPhone)

Re:Whats worse? (2, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251004)

As requested, I am writing up a cease and desist letter telling microlith to cease and desist ceasing or desisting to buy an iphone.

Re:Whats worse? (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250592)

Your loss. It's nice in the walled garden...

Come outside and play (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250774)

It's nice in the outside too. :)

Re:Whats worse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250896)

How would one know, if one can't see over the walls?

Re:Whats worse? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251224)

Thanks, I'll pass. I don't need to be told how to use my property. I also don't like kool-aid.

Re:Whats worse? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251692)

Err.

Okay.

Steve Jobs doesn't stand behind me personally to watch me and make sure that I'm only doing approved things with my phone.

OTOH, no one's watching the Ovi Store or the Android Marketplace and it's turning into a haven for malware.

(Well, the Ovi Store has to have apps in it first before malware can creep in.)

Re:Whats worse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251226)

Grass is always greener on the other side

Re:Whats worse? (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251768)

They're probably also trying to figure out how to monetize it. Why bother with investing in differing phone systems and regulatory environments if you can't figure out how to keep the lights on?

Re:Whats worse? (1)

t2t10 (1909766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250222)

In most countries in the world, Google can't offer the service easily. For example, in many countries, telecoms are not obligated to give anybody else access, anybody who wants a phone number needs to register with the government, and/or there are strong requirements for providing data retention and phone tapping.

So, I wouldn't hold my breath for people offering this in other countries. The only way Google could easily do this is if they bought Skype or one of the other big international VoIP providers that have already done the regulatory footwork.

Re:Whats worse? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250628)

I have a Google Voice account. I have an iPhone. I now have the Google Voice iPhone application. I use Google Voice for free SMS (I refuse to pay AT&T for something the GSM standard provides for free with every packet) and a phone number where people can leave me a voicemail on my website. Because of these disclaimers I feel I can speak to the usefulness of the application and Google Voice.

1. The application is lame. Very lame. You'd think by them delaying it for 1.5 years Google would have had plenty of time to make it awesome. They were too busy working on Google Wave apparently. Example: I can't copy/paste a text message's content. Hell, I can't do anything with it--such as dial a phone number contained within it.

2. Even though I use it for free SMS and a voicemail service, Google Voice is of little use to me. You're not missing much not having it available to you in Canada, I promise.

"approval" (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250038)

meanwhile, those of us who bought a phone *we* control did not need "approval" to install VOIP apps.

I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1, Troll)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250062)

Apple is clearly abusing its users: If you buy one of my outrageously overpriced devices, you will only be able to login as an unprivileged user, we reserve the right to login as administrators. You will be able to install applications, but only if we approve them first. We decide what apps you get and what apps you don't arbitrarily, and you have no part in that process. If you want to install an app, first you need to sign up in our store, give us all of your personal information, and you will have to give us your credit card. We are the only providers, we are a monopoly, you can't buy apps from anywhere else. Also, we'll keep 30% of what you pay for any app. We will restrict what apps you can use based on where you are, who you are, or other parameters we can arbitrarily choose later. We will actively discriminate our users. Also, your device has a kill switch, and we disable it any time we want. We also control what songs, music or other content you download, and deliberately add restrictions to those files, so they are ours, not yours.

Finally, we will add countermeasures so you can't install replace our own damn OS with your own, in an effort to keep you trapped. If you ever try, there are very high chances that our countermeasures will work and your device will become useless. We won't help you. Buy a new one.

Those are Apple's policies, and people still put up with them. That, I can't understand.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250100)

That's because you have Aspergers. Your social impairment doesn't allow the kind thought that allows normally functioning people to place their own values in context.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250846)

Please login so I can upmod you.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250138)

I can't understand people who want to tinker with their phone till it no longer works.

I bought it because it came packaged with enough that I don't feel limited by it.

I am terribly sorry that this bothers you so much. Do you watch me through my windows you creep ?

I really don't understand why my iPhone is a problem for you to understand.

I have wasted no cycles on trying to understand the appeal of windows7 phones.

Do you also stress out about those ?

What about all those poor people with dumb phones. Why would they buy such a limited device ?

OMG, I bet with all these things to worry about, you might not have but one good nights sleep every three or four months.

It isn't worth it. Just let it go man. LYOL.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250158)

If you buy one of my outrageously overpriced devices, you will only be able to login as an unprivileged user, we reserve the right to login as administrators.

Explain to me how this is different on the Droid X or G2? Google's hands aren't clean here... they're letting the manufacturers screw you over just as bad as Apple by not fighting anti-tampers and locked bootloaders.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (3, Informative)

Superken7 (893292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250288)

Excuse me, but last time I checked the android market did NOT require me to enter my private information, much less my CREDIT CARD info just for going into the market or downloading free apps.

Moreover, you can install apps from third parties whenever you like on all android devices, which simply is not the case for apple devices.

Thirdly, you can purchase developer phones with google's propietary stuff and unlocked bootloaders if you want to. Do you really expect google to force all manufacturers to have their device unlocked and still have them feel comfortable putting android in all of their high end devices? Android is overtaking all other mobile OSs for a reason.

Sure. even if the OS is open and available to download from a git repository, not all hardware running android is open. No big news there. But Apple is clearly much more on the "dictatorship"(yes I know you can chose not to buy an iphone, thats what I do) side with their much stronger policies for total control.

To sum up, no they are clearly not nearly as "bad" as Apple, like I have shown

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250338)

I don't have a CC on file with itunes and I've been using it for years.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

timepilot (116247) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250786)

I tried setting up a brand new ipod touch last night. The apple store REQUIRES a credit card for new itunes store accounts. You can delete the card information after the setup is complete, but in order to access the store you HAVE to enter Visa/MC/Amex or Paypal creds.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250884)

That's a possibility. I did have a debit card on file when I first started the account. I've been using iTunes cards ever since.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250966)

The difference between Android & Iphone. (1, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251638)

Thank you for that informative article.

You have beautifully demonstrated the difference between iPhones & Android.

iPhone: Want to download a free app? We'll make it so difficult to do without a credit card that there a 15 step knowledge base article on how you need to do it.

Android: Click on the app & wait for it to install.

Which one just works?

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

BungaDunga (801391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250986)

I signed up without a credit card... it was a small link somewhere on the sign-up page to bypass entering one. This was a couple of years ago though, it might have changed.

Illusions of annonymity (1)

sjbe (173966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250870)

Excuse me, but last time I checked the android market did NOT require me to enter my private information, much less my CREDIT CARD info just for going into the market or downloading free apps.

The phone company has your "private information" already, including your credit card. You provided it when you bought or activated the phone. Entering it a second time for iTunes is arguably redundant but by no means should you think you are anonymous with Android.

Android is overtaking all other mobile OSs for a reason.

That reason Android is doing well is that it's a pretty good OS and the other carriers and phone manufacturers need something to compete with the iPhone. The carriers aren't stupid - they aren't about to put all their eggs in Apple's basket. Most people don't even change their ringtone much less purchase developer's phones. Do you seriously believe that the ability to install an unlocked bootloader matters at all to 99.999999% of the users out there when they are deciding whether to purchase an iPhone?

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250464)

Explain to me how this is different on the Droid X or G2?

WIth android you can buy a different phone. If you don't want to fuck around with anti-tampers and locked boot loaders, buy a Nexus One (or soon a Nexus S). If you want to use iOS but are not happy with the restrictions on the iPhone, what other choices do you have? Zilch. Thanks but no thanks, I'll take Google's approach any day.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251776)

Zilch? Please use nil.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250166)

I can. What I can't believe is that apple phones aren't required equipment in S&M parlors yet.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250244)

I can. What I can't believe is that apple phones aren't required equipment in S&M parlors yet.

It's the crappy battery technology. A few shocks and that's the end of the iSM session until recharge.

And I don't think they work well with the leather gloves.

These, of course, are just uneducated guesses. No firsthand knowledge at all.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250428)

So much win.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (4, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250168)

About 30% of that is wrong, another 30% of it is certainly nowhere near Apple-specific. The remaining amount may be correct, but is presented in a black-and-white manner without context that clearly indicates your bias and unwillingness to consider any viewpoints other than your own.

What I'm getting at here is that the arguments against the Apple walled garden have been hashed and re-hashed uncountable times, and the responses have been made, often in an equally zealous and unproductive manner. If you still don't understand that other people have perfectly valid preferences which don't agree with your own, that is your own failing not anybody else's. To imply that someone is faulty just because they don't agree with you is disingenuous at best.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250320)

I didn't see anything that as incorrect. Anyways, the poster is just puzzled on why someone would choose to pay so much to be so restricted.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (-1, Troll)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250406)

Exactly. Apple can do whatever the hell they want as long as they stay within the law.

I was just stating what is blatantly obvious to me: Why would any paying customer take that kind of abuse from the supplier?

I've seen that kind of abuse on a commercial transaction only in one other market: Drugs. The only person I've seen taking that kind of abuse just to get its shiny shiny fix are coke-heads at 6 A.M on a sunday.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250424)

You need coke, my friend Steve here need a blowjob.. what's the problem?

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

konohitowa (220547) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251690)

Yeah, Steve actually made me give him my old lady so I could get my iPhone fix and then he had the nerve to cut it with baby powder. Oh. The abuse is just unbearable, but whatcha gonna do with that monkey on your back?

Jeez. Lighten up, Frances.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0, Troll)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250172)

I hear that! I've been using Google Voice all year long from the iPod Touch-me-in-the-bad-place, via the little Safari Browserlet and it works great. Apple is a fucked in the head as the CEO of Oracle, which indeed stands for One Raging Asshole Called Larry Ellison, but I digress... I've smelled the bad Apple coming and glad I got a first gen iTouch, as the App Store BLOWS as does the performance if you're stupid enough to listen to an MP3 while trying to do anything else. Couple that with an INCONCEIVABLY long load time for a flash device and that spells; No more Apple products for me. My Mac mini's replacement will be a x86 Linux box, thank you for nothing, Steve. :)

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (4, Insightful)

Trolan (42526) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250200)

Apple is clearly abusing its users: If you buy one of my outrageously overpriced devices, you will only be able to login as an unprivileged user, we reserve the right to login as administrators.

I hope you're not trying to compare to Android, since the above could easily apply there too under most carriers.

You will be able to install applications, but only if we approve them first. We decide what apps you get and what apps you don't arbitrarily, and you have no part in that process.

App store policies are now published, and they've been following them pretty well it seems, based on the types of apps which had been in limbo, and have since been approved post-policy posting. Google Voice was also pulled by Google post-publishing of those guidelines, since they wanted to update it, which they did, and it was approved.

If you want to install an app, first you need to sign up in our store, give us all of your personal information, and you will have to give us your credit card. We are the only providers, we are a monopoly, you can't buy apps from anywhere else.

Aside from the "no other store" it's not much different than any other purchase you make online.

Also, we'll keep 30% of what you pay for any app. We will restrict what apps you can use based on where you are, who you are, or other parameters we can arbitrarily choose later. We will actively discriminate our users. Also, your device has a kill switch, and we disable it any time we want.

30% is light for distribution costs compared to anything you find in the brick & mortar world. It's also something that is more of a developer concern than an end-user. Once you have an app installed, you can use it. Any regional restrictions on app store visibility would be up to the developer. There may be rules in place that the app developer had to abide with to get the app approved, such as the earlier VoIP over Wifi only restriction, which has since been lifted. The Kill Switch exists on most of the other smartphones as well. Apple has yet to use theirs. The only known use of any kill switch on an iOS device so far has been the remote bricking of the prototype iPhone 4. They've never killed an app, even ones which got approved and were in violation of app store rules.

We also control what songs, music or other content you download, and deliberately add restrictions to those files, so they are ours, not yours.

You can download and put whatever you want in media on your phone/iPod/iPad. If you want to buy it from online, you have the option of using iTunes... which has no DRM on the music files. You can also get your music from anywhere else, and copy it onto your iOS device as mp3, aac, etc. Video files still have DRM, but you'll get that with pretty much any paid video download (Hulu, Netflix, etc.)

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0, Troll)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251174)

If you want to install an app, first you need to sign up in our store, give us all of your personal information, and you will have to give us your credit card. We are the only providers, we are a monopoly, you can't buy apps from anywhere else.

Aside from the "no other store" it's not much different than any other purchase you make online.

I believe the OP was talking about free apps. There's not many places other than Apple's store that require you to put in your credit card number to download a free app. Android marketplace certainly doesn't.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251354)

I believe the OP was talking about free apps. There's not many places other than Apple's store that require you to put in your credit card number to download a free app. Android marketplace certainly doesn't.

Luckily, neither does the Apple App Store. Did you even read the summary?

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250432)

And I can't understand why people would route their personal calls to Google, so a corporation can perform voice to text recognition on them for marketing purposes.

And yet people do.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (3, Informative)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250536)

Not only is that idea absolutely ridiculous, and technically impossible given the current state (and hardware requirements) of voice recognition, but also it shows you don't understand shit about VoIP.

Audio is re-invited, meaning that Google's servers only setup the call, then RTP is established directly between the endpoints.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (2, Interesting)

ronocdh (906309) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250752)

Apple is clearly abusing its users: If you buy one of my outrageously overpriced devices, you will only be able to login as an unprivileged user, we reserve the right to login as administrators.

Isn't this precisely what a security or network consulting firm would do? Company X pays the company $y per year to take care of all connection-related issues, and even information management. What Apple has done is bring this to the individual consumer, rather than just corporate clients. What's so bad about that?

Just playing devil's advocate here; I'm the proud owner of a Nexus One myself, but I also work in IT.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251604)

The difference is that you can't fire apple.

Your needs != Everyone elses needs (4, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250784)

We decide what apps you get and what apps you don't arbitrarily, and you have no part in that process.

They don't control this for one very simple reason. Users can always choose to not use an iPhone. If an application is needed/wanted that is not on an iPhone then don't use an iPhone. If you don't like Apple's policies then don't use an iPhone. If you think Steve Jobs is a whiny git and don't like black turtlenecks with jeans, then don't use an iPhone. There are plenty of other options out there. Pick one and enjoy it.

It seems to have eluded you that lots of bright and well informed people don't actually care about any of those things that seem to bother you so much. There are upsides to every one of those downsides you mentioned. Making administrative access available to most users is a serious security risk (see Microsoft Windows). Having a central body approving/rejecting apps also has the upside of keeping poor quality apps and malware off the machine. If you want to buy anything online you have to give personal information if you use a credit card. Having Apple as the only provider of apps also means that getting apps is a simpler process. If you can find a distribution channel for software with the reach of iTunes that costs less than 30% of revenue you should damn well take advantage of it. Etc, etc, etc.

Yes, all your points are legitimate criticisms of Apple and their products but you are only telling half the story. Look at the pros and cons and see if a given device makes sense for you. If you don't think the iPhone suits your particular needs/desires then buy something else and quit whining about it. I'm plenty smart enough to decide for myself whether I want to deal with Apple and AT&T. It's a contract we enter (or don't) willingly. It's only abuse if it's something we genuinely need and we have no alternatives or are misled somehow. You're assumption that all iPhone users are naive/stupid/abused simply is both arrogant and condescending.

If you ever try, there are very high chances that our countermeasures will work and your device will become useless. We won't help you.

Why would any company support software that they didn't write and which has the potential to cause them (and AT&T) real headaches and real costs? Would you seriously expect Microsoft to support linux? If you want to jailbreak you iPhone, go ahead. I've certainly got no problem with you doing so and actually think it's pretty cool. But expecting Apple to support your hacking is delusional.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (3, Insightful)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251048)

Does it bother you that you aren't allowed to log in as root on your dishwasher?
How about your car's engine controller?
How about your pocket calculator?
How about your TV set?
How about your PC monitor? No, not the PC itself, the monitor's menu controller?
How about your A/V receiver?
How about the digital photo frame you gave your mom last Christmas?
How about the GPS unit in your car?
How about the oscilloscope your technicians use at work?
How about the treadmill at your gym?

No?

Then what in the world is such a big deal about a stupid cell phone? If it does what you want and you can afford it, buy it. If not, buy something else, or nothing at all. Computers are appliances now, and vice versa. Deal with it and get over it.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251346)

Computers are appliances now, and vice versa. Deal with it and get over it.

If Apple made dishwashers, the internet would be up in arms about lack of root access.

Re:I can't believe people take this kind of abuse. (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251668)

The answer is simple: yes. it bothers me too. when i buy something it should be completely mine. on the other hand, the manufacturer of my oven doesn't force me to buy food at their approved store, apple does ( well, it would, if I where stupid enough to buy their crap, and i'm not )

For the technologically ignorant amongst us.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250384)

Just how is a 'voice app' on a phone different from what a phone normally does?

Re:For the technologically ignorant amongst us.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250430)

It replaces the normal Apple voice app with a Google one. Apparently the fact that Apple didn't necessarily want their native app replaced was cause for the /. hive mind to get its collective panties in a bunch. Meanwhile, the Google voice app is just as closed as the native one. Yes, I have the freedom to install any closed-source telephone application on my telephone! Now that's real choice.

VoIP? (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 3 years ago | (#34250532)

An interesting use for the app would be to use it as a dialing front end on an iPod touch in concert with a VOIP service

Or, you know, an actual phone. (Yes, I realize VoIP could make it more seamless.) There's no reason it shouldn't be availabe for all iOS devices. In fact, I'm surprised it's available only on iPhone, of all the iOS devices--seems like that's where they (well, AT&T, at least) have the most to lose...although I guess you could say the same if it was availalbe for everything else and nobody bought an iPhone for that reason.

Kedzie238 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34250690)

Is this the beginning of the Apple Google marriage that will eventually take over the world? I think yes!

What's the big deal? (2, Interesting)

knapkin (665863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251208)

So I have to be honest, I was just as happy with my google voice account (maybe more so, but time will tell) when I could not use it on my iphone. Now you might be asking why, and maybe my use case is not common, but google voice fills a nice roll in my life. 1) Random people at bars get google voice # 2) Companies that require a phone number get google voice # Pretty much my google voice number is like my spam e-mail account. If you got this number, well good luck getting a return call. The ability to make calls from this number is nice if I ever do return a phone call from some random girl at a bar or some company that really wants to talk to me about why I downloaded their white paper. The only other use case that I can see myself taking advantage of is the free SMS, although to be honest, it's more of a pain to let all of my contacts know who is texting them than it is to pay the $5 a month for my SMS plan.

Doesn't work properly (1)

SirMasterboy (872152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251242)

I tried it out, but I can't get it to work properly like GV Mobile+, GV Connect, or even the Google Voice Webapp.

In the settings under the "This Phone" setting, I set a custom number for it to ring. However, when I make a call from the app, it just dials some weird number outbound of the regular iPhone phone app. I don't want it to use my iPhones number and minutes... I want it to use my Gizmo5 number like I can do with GV Mobile+, GV Connect and even the Google Voice Webapp.

Get it working Google!

Hey guys (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251670)

Remember when Apple was the lesser evil? Those were the days.

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