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Microsoft Finally Certifies an Open Source Web App

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the where's-your-hall-pass-professor dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft has caught up with the fact that open source web-based software exists, today announcing an open source project written in PHP is the first 'Certified for Windows' software that (a) follows an OSI-approved license and (b) runs via a webserver rather than operating as a native Windows executable. The software in question is SilverStripe CMS, free software released under a BSD license, that is used to build and manage websites. Certification entails a third-party performing various tests and audits on the software and giving it the green light. If other open source projects can follow suit, this will be another step in getting business folk to see that open source is ready for enterprise use. And heck, maybe even a .NET application could now seek to be certified!"

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Slashdot nigga! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251576)

It's like a nigga, who's in the hole,
It's like a nigga, he's on the dole!

It's like a nigga, he's made of plastic,
It's like a nigga, he's niggatastic!

Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (4, Funny)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251610)

"If other open source projects can follow suit, this will be another step in getting business folk to see that open source is ready for enterprise use."

Maybe someday Apache on Linux will be the most popular web server, and HP, IBM, Oracle, and the other big companies will start offering Linux solutions!

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (2, Insightful)

FoolishOwl (1698506) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251844)

There's a weird sort of proprietary software fan who always reacts with surprise when learning that some major corporation or government agency uses FLOSS. Even Microsoft uses FLOSS and Linux on some projects, though it doesn't much like to advertise that fact.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (3, Informative)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252118)

... and they rave and tell everyone that it's the greatest thing how Microsoft has "innovated" and "implemented" this idea, meanwhile they are just underexposed under the cover of Microsoft's "secure and secluding" hand.

It happened when MS adopted JQuery, and FastCGI, and no doubt many projects yet to come.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253098)

I can't believe this got modded 'insightful' when it doesn't contain a single fact, let alone an insightful one. I mean, we all know the deluded Linux retards of Slashdot will mod you up without a moments critical thinking, as it confirms their fragile world view, but the more open minded amongst might want some evidence. Got any?

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34256600)

This news item sounds fine to me in theory , but when I try to install PHP on Windows, I run into a problem.
Here is an actual Microsoft document [microsoft.com] regarding the installation.
One of the steps is to register a dll named php5activescript.dll
I get error messages from Windows when I try to do that: "The application failed to initialize properly", and "php5activescript.dll is not an executable file and no registration helper is available for this file type"

And, of course, there is nothing in that Microsoft document to tell you what to do about those errors. (Nor have I found a solution by searching the Internet, although I have found others experiencing the same problem)

Net result: I'm beginning to think Microsoft doesn't really want anything except Microsoft software running under Windows. Which is the best reason I know why everyone should eventually move to Linux.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

Phopojijo (1603961) | more than 3 years ago | (#34265242)

Uh, I have no problems registering DLLs as they're required for various other applications...

1) You made sure that you right-clicked on CMD and ran as administrator?
2) You made sure that CMD's in the PHP directory, with php5activescript.dll in that directory?
3) You made sure to type:

regsvr32 php5activescript.dll

??

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

Phopojijo (1603961) | more than 3 years ago | (#34265258)

Mind the double post... but I am with on you moving to Linux... but not so much for what Microsoft doesn't let you install (because they're not toooo bad about that) -- but more for what you're allowed to do in the future for backwards compatibility or other long-term maintenance that's required on source that's proprietary to Microsoft.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | more than 3 years ago | (#34265702)

During Microsoft developer days back when they announced and demoed FastCGI (for example), that was the general response most of the guys had. Just my observation, no hard links to prove my evidence though.

How did this get onto the topic of Linux? We're talking about Open Source adoption by big-cheese corporates here.

Those two hold two, very strong, very opposing views on ownership of work (not to be confused with copyright!)

The one allows anyone to view, study and improve on a work, sometimes allowing derivatives to encourage and inspire more such works; The other demands strict control over who has access to the work.

It's a natural reaction to question someone's intentions when they suddenly adopt an ideology that they strongly apposed for a very long time. Why? Because it's natural to look out for your own interests and beliefs.

So I understand your reaction to mine very well, but let's not get shallow about it :-)

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1, Insightful)

gusmao (712388) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252834)

Microsoft actually lost a golden opportunity when hey treatead open source the way they did. There will always be demand for proprietary and open source, IBM got that right.

Microsoft on the other hand, decided to try to destroy open source and bury it like it did with other companies before (failing to see that this was a grassroot, difuse movement), basically alienating one generation of developers. Not simple developers mind you, but the superstars, the trend-setters, the guys who write tech-blogs, found innovative start-up and become managers and CIOs in big companies later on.

All of them are dead set against Microsoft and no amount of certification is going to change that now.

Set your 7 YEAR CLOCK, I did. (1)

lamapper (1343009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34265468)

Microsoft actually lost a golden opportunity when (t)hey treated open source the way they did....
Microsoft on the other hand, decided to try to destroy open source and bury it like it did with other companies....
All of them are dead set against Microsoft and no amount of certification is going to change that now.

Anyone who suggests, believes or tries to state the above is not true, needs to research the facts as many of us have...they are out there if you care to look for them. I understand that some do not.

Pretty much sums it up and hits the nail on the head for my friends and I.

I have yet to see a single company that has done business with Microsoft, except perhaps a couple of hardware manufacturers (but even they are unhappy and complain from time to time) that are still viable businesses after 2, 3 or 4 years.

Instead of buying the marketing hype, there are a number of us that refuse to purchase anything from Microsoft until they have, by their actions, not miss-behaved towards open source, FOSS, Linux for a minimum of 7 years. If after a 7 year positive track record they have stopped the FUD, ceased their Embrace, Extend, Extinguish business practices than and only than will we once again consider their products. Any of their products.

We call it setting our 7 year clock!

Any company that treats open source, FOSS, Linux poorly gets a clock set. For first time offenders, a 3 Year Clock is sufficient, however for a company like Microsoft that has continued their awful business practices against open source, FOSS, Linux, etc... for more than 15 years, well 3 years is simply not sufficient, thus a 7 YEAR CLOCK is more appropriate.

They can lie, deceive, etc...with marketing and words, but they can not hide their actions. And they do try to hide them, don't they, but eventually it all comes out into the light of day. Yes, it always comes out eventually. When you become aware of it, right there and then, re-set your 7 YEAR CLOCK! Its long past time for them to walk the walk. I just do not see it happening.

Each time they act badly, I reset my 7 year clock. It is that simple.

Whether I purchase another Microsoft product is up to them. Its up to them to re-earn my TRUST!

For those that think 7 years is too harsh, sorry your wrong. Microsoft specifically, has been at this for over two decades and many of us KNOW IT!

. . . is 7 years enough time considering how long they have been at it?

They say they care about TRUST, but they do not. They prove it by their very ACTIONS. At the end of the day, their words mean nothing. Well they lost allot of our TRUST over the years...shock us and actually try to earn it back. I dare you.

Trust, it was theirs to lose and lose they did.

I challenge all supporters of Open Source, FOSS, to join us in our 7 YEAR CLOCK.

Consider this, if a company knew that a large block of developers, those of us that live on the bleeding edge, would boycott their products for a period of 3 years at the slightest transgression, do you think they would dare, of course not. They can only continue such negative practices if you let them...if you continue to purchase their products. You are basically saying, yea we know you are giving us one up the back side, but we don't care, we will keep taking it.

I do not think so! Enough is enough.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34266122)

Microsoft actually lost a golden opportunity when hey treatead open source the way they did. There will always be demand for proprietary and open source, IBM got that right.

Microsoft on the other hand, decided to try to destroy open source and bury it like it did with other companies before (failing to see that this was a grassroot, difuse movement), basically alienating one generation of developers. Not simple developers mind you, but the superstars, the trend-setters, the guys who write tech-blogs, found innovative start-up and become managers and CIOs in big companies later on.

All of them are dead set against Microsoft and no amount of certification is going to change that now.

So there are no good developers using Microsoft now? None at all? I imagine quite a few people here would disagree with that arrogant over-simplified brain fart.

Re:Tonight On Bizzaro World News ... (1)

Tibia1 (1615959) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251864)

It seems as though HP891 has entered the game, and is pumping out 3292 lines of open code, and is now approaching level 33 in the newest MMO. Why not make people write code for an MMO? Patented.

Another troll in the summary (4, Insightful)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251622)

And heck, maybe even a .NET application could now seek to be certified!

.NET applications have been certified for years. Spend a couple of minutes on Google and you will find examples for both the server platform [windowstricks.org] and the desktop edition [creativedocs.net] .

As for SilverStripe, I imagine the reason that open source software would be rare on the list of certified products is that there are costs involved with doing it, and the kind of audience who generally use open souce products probably don't care a damn about any official "certified" logo.

Re:Another troll in the summary (2, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251878)

and the kind of audience who generally use open souce products probably don't care a damn about any official "certified" logo.

Got it in one. Microsoft's certification only means something to people who have a problem with self-esteem:

"We, Microsoft, do solemnly certify that the bearer of this piece of recycled loo paper is fan-bloody-tastic because we say so, and anyone who disagrees can just suck on a big one."

Re:Another troll in the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251916)

Can you please send me a contact for a sales rep?

I'm interested in ordering MS BogRoll Professional licenses for all of our current employees. Our current toilet paper supplier cannot adequately integrate with our internal MS Exchange servers, and they're leaving quite a mess.

Thank you.

Re:Another troll in the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251948)

Why do you even want to use toilet paper? You do know that using the small shower next to WC is much better for hygiene and it's also much less work and faster.

Re:Another troll in the summary (3, Funny)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252134)

Note for any visiting Europeans: A sink is not an acceptable substitute for a bidet and should not be used as such.

Re:Another troll in the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34254414)

I for one would look at that logo and think, "back to the drawing board..".

Microsoft Certification (1)

Ancantus (1926920) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251630)

Its great to see that Open Source applications are being reconized by Microsoft. I just hope people don't take these certifications too seriously. I don't have experience in an enterprise setting, but do companies not use a certain software because its not certified my Microsoft? I would assume that the software that best suits your needs would be chosen, not the one that has the title of "Microsoft Certified" because it happened to be tested by third-party tests.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251676)

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

Re:Microsoft Certification (3, Informative)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251728)

do companies not use a certain software because its not certified my Microsoft?

No. Only a small minority of software is certified, so you would be limiting your options way too much if you discounted the non-certified options. However, it is useful when comparing software to know which ones are certified, because it gives you the confidence that it will work in most environments. I have used non-administrator accounts since the days of NT4, and being certified meant that you knew the software would not have a fit as soon as it couldn't write into your C:\Windows folder.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252740)

"it is useful when comparing software to know which ones are certified, because it gives you the confidence that it will work in most environments."

I've never met a tech guy interested on app (or hardware) certifications, but more interested about if it in fact works on his environment.

Certifications and support contracts are of the interest of managers and this because the CYA factor.

Re:Microsoft Certification (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252042)

I just hope people don't take these certifications too seriously. I don't have experience in an enterprise setting, but do companies not use a certain software because its not certified my Microsoft?

The point of certification is to make sure that software does certain things right - e.g. can run on 64-bit Windows, installs and uninstalls properly and in correct location, stores config files and other data in appropriate places (and not in e.g. "Program Files"), and doesn't do some things that are silly and potentially harmful (like catching and silently swallowing SIGSEGV). Best way to know what the certification actually means is to read the technical requirements [microsoft.com] and judge for yourself.

Re:Microsoft Certification (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252654)

And sometimes it doesn't mean quite what you think it means. For example, one of the requirements for the Designed for Windows 95 logo was running on Windows NT 4. The Runs on Windows 95 logo didn't have this requirement, so it was quite a good way of telling which programs were trying to do evil things. Amusingly, programs with the Designed For logo are (or, at least, were ten years ago) much more likely to work under WINE than ones with the Runs On logo.

Re:Microsoft Certification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34260748)

You don't need that old an example. The whole reason that UAC was tolerable in Vista was because the technically enforced rules were Logo rules in the XP era. And I'm betting that that Windows 8 will enforce quite a few rules that now are merely Logo rules. For instance, the rule against relying on 8.3 names. Windows 8 can now ship with 8.3 names disabled, without breaking any "Certified for Windows 7" application.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252824)

I just spent a day of my life looking at open source CDDA ripping software (ones that take hours to get a perfect rip) for Windows .. and pretty much all of them required folder virtualization of Program Files in one way or another.

Note to others: Take care if buying audio books from Blackstone Audio. They play fine in regular stand-alone CD players but in a CD/DVD-Rom drive (I tried 3 different drives) they have serious problems. I suppose thats why I cant find the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo anywhere on these discs or package.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1)

nabsltd (1313397) | more than 3 years ago | (#34255108)

I just spent a day of my life looking at open source CDDA ripping software (ones that take hours to get a perfect rip) for Windows

Pretty much all modern CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives now do this same thing in hardware, and the rip takes only the normal time.

With a drive that passes C2 error information to the ripping software, only actual error sectors need to be re-read, so you can rip at full speed unless there is an issue.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1)

turbidostato (878842) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252732)

"Its great to see that Open Source applications are being reconized by Microsoft."

Microsoft has never had problems "recognizing" open source apps. It's only with "copyleft" open source apps that it has a problem.

And, lo and behold! this app is distributed under the BSD.

Re:Microsoft Certification (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#34253070)

"do companies not use a certain software because its not certified my Microsoft?"

Yes, they do. You'd be surprized by the amount of CYA present on big hierachies.

Is PHP certified? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251744)

Has anyone found the way to check if applications are certified? I saw one for Windows 7, but not for Server 2008. I'm wondering if PHP is certified, because if it isn't, Microsoft is essentially saying "only use PHP if you are using SilverStripe CMS."

My Only Comment... (-1, Flamebait)

Agamous Child (538344) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251746)

Is that PHP sucks. That is all.

Cookie (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251750)

A cookie goes to the slashdotter that can find a exploitable vulnerability in it.

Re:Cookie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251826)

It's PHP based, me thinks you will be giving away an aweful lot of cookies.

Re:Cookie (1, Funny)

petteyg359 (1847514) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251874)

PHP is the only language that has such exploitable vulnerabilities. Windows, which is not programmed in PHP, has never had exploitable vulnerabilities.

Re:Cookie (2, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252002)

PHP is the only language that has such exploitable vulnerabilities. Windows, which is not programmed in PHP, has never had exploitable vulnerabilities.

Someone's off their meds again...

Re:Cookie (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252696)

I haven't had PHP installed for a while, because every time I checked there was an updated package fixing some security holes. Looking now, it seems that there haven't been any security advisories since 2009, which is a lot better than some other language VMs I could mention...

Re:Cookie (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#34253078)

PHP is really getting better fast. When it gets good (not just with the features, but with a consistent (sub)set of them that is well written), it will be very nice.

Stop giving people the keys to the kingdom... (1)

lamapper (1343009) | more than 3 years ago | (#34265518)

I would see your security hole and raise you two or three more for a variety of MS Products. You would always lose.

Next time someone says something you use has a security hole, check and see if it states that "local access" is required for the exploit. If so, what are you getting excited about...you giving black hatters the keys to your home/apartment/business? I certainly hope not.

There will always be security holes. Fools automatically update to supposedly avoid them. Intelligent IT professionals look into the nature of the security holes and determine if they are viable in their environment or not before upgrading. Its the way it always has been, is and always will be.

Only those that are unable to understand what the security issues are, automatically (read blindly) update without understanding what the real issues are and if they even apply or not.

More often than not, more problems are introduced than are fixed.

More importantly true experts do not settle for security by obscurity, if given the choice. Whether they have the choice or not is usually the telling part of whether someone is respected by their chain of command or not.

Blindly upgrading, updating, auto-updating is insane . . . and a sign of desperation, to be avoided at all costs.

Re:Cookie (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251994)

Microsoft hasn't certified that the software is secure and bug free, they have certified that it behaves according to the guidelines laid out by the logo program.

Some of those guidelines are along the lines of security best practices, true, but the logo process only measures adherence to rules, not quality.

Re:Cookie (1)

u38cg (607297) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252148)

Wouldn't be difficult. Silverstripe is something of a pile of steaming.

Re:Cookie (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252716)

What's wrong with it? (Having never heard of it before.)

Unfortunately, no. (3, Interesting)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251772)

Certification entails a third-party performing various tests and audits on the software and giving it the green light. If other open source projects can follow suit, this will be another step in getting business folk to see that open source is ready for enterprise use.

No, it's not. The tech savvy business people already know and those who don't get it will continue to not get it. Remember, there were people who insisted on buying IBM computers even after the Lenovo deal, because that's how PHBs and suits think.

LK

Re:Unfortunately, no. (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#34254970)

Remember, there were people who insisted on buying IBM computers even after the Lenovo deal

And why shouldn't they? Lenovo was always doing the building of IBM ThinkPads. When they purchased the rights from IBM they just changed the IBM logo to the Lenovo logo.

For the record Microsoft has had BSD licensed code in Windows before (early TCP/IP stack).

Re:Unfortunately, no. (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 3 years ago | (#34255522)

And why not? Lenovo is still a decent choice for businesses. Not least of which, because they're still making good machines and because tech support calls are handled in the US instead of India.

From consumer reports:

Based on responses from owners of 3,685 laptop computers, Apple scored 86 points out of 100. Second place Lenovo earned a 63; third place Toshiba had 60; fourth place Dell has a 56; and HP/Compaq has a 53. Trailing far behind was Acer/Gateway/eMachines with 39.

blah for PHP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251822)

PHP sucks, wish it were gone.

WiX was frist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251836)

This is wrong. Wix was first, even announced here on slashdot.
http://wix.sourceforge.net/

fyi. Wix is a xml+binaries to msi packager.

Re:WiX was frist! (1)

kickme_hax0r (968593) | more than 3 years ago | (#34251876)

Are you sure that WiX is a web app? Doesn't look like one to me.

Re:WiX was frist! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251908)

Two things:

1. WiX is not a web app
2. I don't think WiX is Certified for Windows

Microsoft supports the development of WiX, but that's not the same as logo certification.

Or maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251838)

An open source developer has finally bothered to go through the (pointless) "Certified for Windows" process. Is it a reflection on Microsoft that this is the first certified OS project, or a reflection on the OS community? I think the latter is more likely.

Finally? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34251882)

How many "open source web apps" have been submitted and failed certification and been rejected?

Microsoft doesn't proactively certify software, the developer of the software has to request certification. The headline makes it sound like Microsoft has been dragging their feet trying to avoid certifying such an app, but if this is the first ever submission, then they've certified 100% of applicants.

Next step for business (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252000)

This a defiantly a big step in the right direction for Microsoft, hopefully this will help some of those old business folk to see the light of open source.

Business end of things (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252010)

This a defiantly a big step in the right direction for Microsoft, hopefully this will help some of those old business folk to see the light of open source, this would really help systems run much more efficently given time

Congratulations SilverStripe? (4, Interesting)

ooh456 (122890) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252022)

This is surprising news for me as I have been a SilverStripe developer for a couple years now at my primary job. In case anyone is wondering, SilverStripe is a wonderful little enterprise class CMS. Miles ahead in my opinion of the usual suspects in this area ( Drupal, Joomla, WordPress). The real story here is why a small BSD licensed CMS written on the LAMP stack wants to be certified by Microsoft! I guess they want the publicity. But seriously, If you are a php developer looking for a good Object Oriented CMS written is PHP5, you should really take a couple days and check it out. You might really like it. It's not perfect by any stretch, a tad over-engineered, but did I mention it's miles ahead of everything else which calls itself a php5 CMS? Miles.

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252072)

I especially like the ability to monitor status into the future [silverstripe.com] !

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (1)

unbrandy (751649) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252524)

Thanks! We're proud of that, too. :) Brian from SilverStripe

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (5, Informative)

unbrandy (751649) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252480)

Hi, I'm Brian, the CEO of SilverStripe. Thanks for your kind words; they mean a lot. To your question of "Why?" here's the answer: it helps our business. We have many potential clients who run MS IT infrastructures. If we have this certification that greatly increases the confidence in SilverStripe in the eyes of the decision-makers in these organizations. We did not make this decision lightly. We thought a lot about how this would be perceived in the open source community. All along the way we said we'd back out if we thought our principles were being compromised. I am proud to say that we're happy with the outcome. Microsoft actually helped us (in dev resource time) to get our software to work well on the MS stack. Now we can tell more people we can work in their environment. It's truly as simple as that. :) Hope that answers your question. If anyone reading this wants to follow up, I am my first name at silverstripe dot com Thanks, Brian

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (-1, Flamebait)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252632)

To your question of "Why?" here's the answer: it helps our business. We have many potential clients who run MS IT infrastructures. If we have this certification that greatly increases the confidence in SilverStripe in the eyes of ...these organizations. We did not make this decision lightly. We thought a lot about how this would be perceived in the open source community.

I can't help but think about how sad a commentary this makes about the open source "community."

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (5, Informative)

unbrandy (751649) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252758)

Good point, Westlake. Our open source product and company have the same name. Now, does getting this certification hurt the open source effors we make? Hmmmm. It's a question. We care a lot about our open source community. Truly. We don't take open source lightly. In my opinion, if we can stay true to our open source goals (BSD and listen to community) and be more attractive to clients (so we can pay people to make more open source software) then there's no harm done. I realize this is a touchy area for a lot of people. Hell, if you would have told me a year ago I'd have an ms certified product in a year's time, I would have asked what kind of crack you were smoking. What changed? Understanding who uses our stuff. But that doesn't change our attitude towards open source. In fact, it strengthens prior attitudes. Because the open source ideal must always be protected :) All good, Brian

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253940)

What commune do you live on? Sorry nerd but "computers" are used for business and not just for playing Tux Racer in your mom's basement. People get paid to work too in the real world.

"It helps our business" is a great thing. People stay employed and this piece of software which normally would have remained in house is given away for others to use. HOW IS FUCKING SAD?

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (1)

cpicon92 (1157705) | more than 3 years ago | (#34256284)

As the project manager for Extreme Tux Racer, I am deeply offended.

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#34287206)

By `business` parent really means `playing solitaire whenever the boss is not around`.

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 3 years ago | (#34264524)

I think that's his point: its sad that they need to worry about how its perceived.

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#34287128)

We thought a lot about how this would be perceived in the open source community

I know, I know!

Community is probably amused witnessing Microsoft that comes to terms with open source because the alternative is "less windows servers".

Free software guys are scratching their beards saying: "why on earth would anybody want to run stuff on evil untrusted stacks? it's 2010... sorry I mean it's 1262300400 since the unix epoch! bah!" and screen -r into their emacs. From a long term perspective they are right, but the problem is your client's not yours, it's nice to offer choices.

Philosoraptor thinks:
If Open Source is evil...
Why didn't Microsoft certify it sooner?

That leaves me, enlightened by my tinfoil hat, saying: what? MS certified, "silver" in the name? You're just part of a conspiracy that, after much wikipedia editing, will make Bill Gates declare that MS invented open source.
Admit it, TRAITORS!

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253150)

Miles ahead? Enterprise class CMS?

* It does not scale. The more you develop for it, the poorer performance, and it's bad already from the start. Does not scale out on more webserver that good either.
* Miles ahead? As it suffers big performance issues making it useless to be used for a medium sized traffic sites, I don't think it's miles ahead, quite the opposite
* Excessive memory use
* Servers goes down with small amount of traffic no matter have powerfull the server is because of the problems pointed out.

Re:Congratulations SilverStripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253166)

Evidently functional out of the box and bug-lite aren't on your list. Six months ago I did the CMS look-see and ended up with Drupal. I tried SilverStripe, among others. In 2008 they won an award as "most promising CMS". They're still promising, but still not ready for prime-time. Small developer community; some of the major modules they have on their website don't play together, and themes may or may not work with the latest version or break modules. I joined the community, reported problems and traded messages with the module developers, with not much in response. I got out of Dodge. Some serious attention to detail and regression testing would be appropriate.

So, a few people like yourself seem to be very enthusiastic about SilverStripe, but this is a minor player even in the open-source CMS area.

welcome aboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252084)

welcome silverstripe, bye bye silverlight..

bashing MicroSoft (-1, Troll)

mevets (322601) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252228)

Ok, its slashdot, so how much respect is any article about anything M$ does going to get.
The enormity of this, however, is huge.
Imagine, MicroSofts groundbreaking work in security and reliability now finds that open source, even PHP apps, meet its rigourous standards. I can't help tearing up at the thought.
Surely Linux viruses can't be far behind.

whaaa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252242)

php and not asp???

... what's wrong with it? (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252360)

Come on, there must be a catch. :P

Re:... what's wrong with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253382)

Please see http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1871612&cid=34253150

Silverstripe rocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34252556)

Silverstripe is quite probably the best CMS in php. I'm using it since a coupe of years and I really like. I'm happy i could ditch Drupal and Joomla wich were nightmares for my clients. Now my clients are just impressed by the product as well :)

I know people are laughing, but... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 3 years ago | (#34252600)

How many applications have Apple personally certified that they work well on Mac? Or Canonical for Ubuntu? Oh right, they don't.

Microsoft does many things wrong, but I like how this is something Microsoft does. An application doesn't have to be certified to run, but at least you know it has gone through numerous tests if it is, such as so that it doesn't demand admin rights and use the system in inappropriate ways.

Re:I know people are laughing, but... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34255550)

How many applications have Apple personally certified that they work well on Mac? Or Canonical for Ubuntu? Oh right, they don't.

It would be nice if you only spoke things that you knew were true.

New Applications added to the Ubuntu Software Center go through the Ubuntu Application Review Process [jonobacon.org] ; Which is "a community-driven Application Review Board that is committed to providing high quality reviews of applications submitted by application authors to ensure they are safe and work well."

now is our chance... (1)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 3 years ago | (#34253076)

lets show everyone how meaningless this certification is and how powerful open source can be by finding as many bugs and exploits as possible in this software.

Re:now is our chance... (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 3 years ago | (#34266156)

lets show everyone how meaningless this certification is and how powerful open source can be by finding as many bugs and exploits as possible in this software.

What has that got to do with Microsoft certification? Do you think they are somehow promising that this means the software is 100% guaranteed bug free or something?

Grow up.

Not the first open source CMS certified by MSFT (4, Interesting)

yelvington (8169) | more than 3 years ago | (#34253094)

It's always dangerous to claim you're the first.

http://buytaert.net/microsoft-and-drupal [buytaert.net] (2007): "Last week at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON), Microsoft and SpikeSource announced their intention to work together to certify a number of Open Source projects on the Microsoft Windows platform. According to the press release, Drupal is the first application that has been tested and certified for Microsoft Windows ..."

See also http://www.microsoft.com/web/drupal/ [microsoft.com]

Re:Not the first open source CMS certified by MSFT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280006)

Source of SilverStripe being first is the Microsoft Press Release, which states: "This is a world first, as the software is the only truly open source web application to achieve certification on the Windows platform". It also mentions "SilverStripe CMS v2.4.0" has attained a Microsoft Certification, i.e “Certification for Windows Server 2008 R2”.
http://www.microsoft.com/nz/presscentre/articles/2010/silverstripe-achieve-world-first-certification.mspx

Your first link doesn't explain whether the certification Drupal got was by Microsoft or whether it was "certified by SpikeSource", which would represent a different milestone. Perhaps more importantly, the SpikeSource offerings were only available for purchase, so even if Drupal was certified, this certfied software was a for-fee fork/branch from the open source version. It seems that with SilverStripe they've certified their main, BSD-license, offering. Finally, it seems that this 'certified Drupal SpikeIgnite', what ever it was, is no longer available as SpikeSource has been shut down or acquired or something.

And your second link doesn't mention anything about certification, just that Drupal can run on Windows. Most PHP software can run on Windows nowadays.

Hmm, SilverStripe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253110)

I have worked with SilverStripe CMS, I have looked under it's hood, and I have to say that I prefer something else.
It's too big and a bit over-engineered for my taste, doing some things took quite a lot of thinking, like custom-styled forms for example.
Usage of Prototype JavaScript library and the datamodel also scare me away from SilverStripe.

That was a year ago. Who knows, maybe SilverStripe has changed for the better?

Congratulations on the certificate, though.

Wrong: Microsoft does not "certify" 3rd party apps (2, Informative)

SplatMan_DK (1035528) | more than 3 years ago | (#34253118)

The post is wrong - with all due respect.

Microsoft does not "certify" 3rd party software in any way. They document/specify HOW to get a product certified. It is up to the vendors (Microsoft Partners) to do the testing and certification if they feel it brings them business value. The certification itself is typically conducted by external companies such as Veritest/[url:lionbridge.com] (now one company).

You can pretty much sign up as a Microsoft partner on "Registered Partner Level" for 0 USD and start the cerification process. Or spend 100 USD on a BizSpark package and get 2 years license to Visual Studio and all the MS-stuff you need to get going. The biggest cost is the actual verification by the external testing company - Microsoft is not making any money from the certification process. Their goal is to provide a method by which a software vendor can demonstrate microsoft-compliance for their product. And show that compliance by using a logo.

In short: Anybody who feels up to it can start certifying any FOSS software that runs on a Windows box. Feel like certifying WINE? Go right ahead. Think ClamWin should have the "Works with Windows 7" logo? Go for it - the community will probably gladly help. Think the official "Certified for Windows 2008 Server" logo would look nice on the webpage of Squeezebox Server (former "Slim Server"). Download the source and get started - perhaps Logitec will help you out with resources if you ask them - and be sure to brush up on your Perl skills before your start.

So no ... Microsoft has not "caught up" with anything. And there are already a lot of certified .NET apps that run in a browser. No big deal. Anybody can start a Microsoft certification process and the bulk of the cost goes to external testing companies.

- Jesper

I think I hear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253208)

I think I hear Admiral Ackbar calling.

the more restrictive GPL license (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253228)

"While there are hundreds of other content management systems available under the more restrictive GPL license, SilverStripe is .. the only advanced CMS available under the BSD license "

"We've chosen the BSD license because it's the best possible license for our customers. For example, some of our larger customers are developing unique and novel solutions on top of SilverStripe and are integrating SilverStripe deep into their product offerings. Under .. the GPL, they'd be obligated to publish all their custom code if they want to distribute their product. But this would mean giving away their competitive advantage, which they may not want to do"

"We believe that having loads of happy customers is better for our business than relying on a restrictive licensing model"

Re:the more restrictive GPL license (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34253324)

Sorry, I'm missing the part where the bold words mean something novel or interesting.

translated from MicroSpeak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34254498)

Please don't use GPL code ;)

Micosoft friendly (1)

HeckRuler (1369601) | more than 3 years ago | (#34255202)

free software released under a BSD license,

Ho ho HO! I see what you did there.

free software released under a BSD license (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#34256270)

Wake me up when they certify something under GPL.

Bottom line? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34273810)

Do this mean it's compatible with all current viruses?

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