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TSA Pats Down 3-Year-Old

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the security-theater dept.

Security 1135

3-year-old Mandy Simon started crying when her teddy bear had to go through the X-ray machine at airport security in Chattanooga, Tenn. She was so upset that she refused to go calmly through the metal detector, setting it off twice. Agents then informed her parents that she "must be hand-searched." The subsequent TSA employee pat down of the screaming child was captured by her father, who happens to be a reporter, on his cell phone. The video have left some questioning why better procedures for children aren't in place. I, for one, feel much safer knowing the TSA is protecting us from impressionable minds warped by too much Dora the Explorer.

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1135 comments

What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories rece (-1, Flamebait)

Improv (2467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257162)

Is it presently fashionable to make a big deal out of this stuff? Seems to be a non-story to me.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (4, Insightful)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257222)

Travel season is starting. That's why. Not to mention the pat-down is now an "enhanced" pat-down. Correct me if I'm wrong on the "enhanced" pat-down being a semi-recent change.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (5, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257342)

The "enhanced" pat-down was created with the goal of making it unpleasant enough to get people to go through the scanners.

And yeah, I'd say that being groped by government goons because I committed the crime of buying a plane ticket is definitely unpleasant.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (4, Informative)

eleuthero (812560) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257606)

Unpleasant... yes, effective? No. I was recently made aware of someone taking a hunting knife (not a $20 swiss army, but an actual knife) through security with the help of steel-toed boots. They were stopped on their return trip and thought the jig was up only to be told they couldn't take aerosol deodorant through the checkpoint. Both checks failed to catch the knife.

In related news, another friend, working for the coast guard, routinely made it through security (as part of his job to infiltrate and notify the chief of security inside the line) with explosives, guns, etc.

As near as I can figure, the entire point of airport security is to catch idiots and pacify the masses through some sort of fear / control response.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (2, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257664)

...the pat-down is now an "enhanced" pat-down.

The worst part is when the TSA goon sniffs his fingers after fondling people's genitals.
They must be sniffing for explosive residue.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257238)

Fox news got on it (yes seriously).

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (2, Insightful)

Stargoat (658863) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257434)

Drudge, actually. Fox picked it up from there.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257246)

We need to keep putting the screws to the TSA. Their mere existance is utter CRAP, this whole body scanner / groping scandal needs to stay on the forefront.

Lots of pilots and flight attendants... (4, Interesting)

MEK (71818) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257268)

...report being creeped out by these new procedures.

And lots more buxom younger women are apparently being subjected to thorough full body searches than guys.

MEK

Re:Lots of pilots and flight attendants... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257596)

I'd rather force these young ladies through the Naked Body Scanner than do a patdown. (pulls out iPhone) Click. BTW body scanners are likely to cause skin cancer. Not for casual tourists but definitely for business travelers and frequent fliers, since the X-rays are concentrated on the surface. Yay? Pilots are refusing to go through them.

Comming soon: tsaporn.com
Here's a preview:
http://www.infowars.com/inverted-body-scanner-image-shows-naked-body-in-full-living-color/ [infowars.com]

Re:Lots of pilots and flight attendants... (4, Funny)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257610)

And there's a reason for that. Check out the "buxom younger woman" in this video:

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/16/the-inevitable-taiwa.html [boingboing.net]

There are those who say the terrorists have already won.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (5, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257276)

The naked picture scanners that can't be saved (except when they can) and the molest^H^H^H^H^H^H pat-downs that would be criminal offenses if done outside the airport have spawned something of a populist backlash against TSA's goons.

You're seeing a lot of stories because there's both a lot of interest, and a lot of material. This is the classic example of a bureaucracy run amok and it's time for the politicians to do their jobs and regain control over it.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257356)

In other news, it is now possible for an individual to have their NAMBLA dues deducted directly from their TSA paycheck.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257286)

It's a non-story that US citizen's constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure are getting violated? It's a non-story that the government is now examining and groping genitalia without any suspicion of wrongdoing? It's a non-story that people are being threatened with lawsuits by the government for asserting their rights?

Tell me, exactly what does the US government have to do to its citizens for it to be newsworthy?

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257358)

if you don't want to be searched, don't fly. they're not compulsory.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257430)

so i'm supposed to drive to hawaii? jackass.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257604)

so i'm supposed to drive to hawaii? jackass.

No, you are supposed to swim, of course.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257578)

Bullshit.

You really think that the airlines -like- these? No, the airline's rights to be exempt from TSA screenings are being violated first off. This of course makes any free-market alternatives to the TSA unavailable.

Governments are not like private enterprise, in an age of fiat currency, we can't exactly 'bankrupt' the TSA like consumers can run a business into the ground by not choosing to use them. In no way does a decision not to fly hurt the TSA and send a statement to them, it does, however screw the airlines out of more business even though the TSA scans and the like weren't authorized by them. If no one flies, the TSA agents still get paid, they still get a chunk of the budget, cutting costs doesn't happen as easily as simply printing more worthless paper notes for the government.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (4, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257598)

The bit about being threatened with lawsuits was in reference to a recent case in San Diego where a passenger made the choice to leave the airport rather than consent to the search and was threatened with a lawsuit for doing so.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257446)

There's nothing wrong with searching people getting on flights.

There is something wrong with the gropings they are mandating.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257542)

Tell me, exactly what does the US government have to do to its citizens for it to be newsworthy?

Be Honest.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (2, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257314)

For some reason getting a routine grope and a handjob they can't opt out of is a big deal for a lot of people.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257346)

I think it mostly has to do with three things: (1) invasive searches (either as back scatter images or pat downs) required of everyone now; (2) disclosure that the TSA or certain TSA promises about images have already been broken; and (3) a general feeling that security theater is becoming more and more ridiculous to the point that the TSA is engaged in the creation of child pornography and sexual molestation (both of children and adults). After the patdown option became available, it didn't take long before allegations of officials copping a feel of nubile young women started appearing.

Also, there's the feeling that, in the case of disrupting society, the terrorists have won!

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257352)

How is this idiocy not a story? It's pointing out, even if it's YET AGAIN, that the laws and procedures put in place to rob you of your privacy (and protect you from the stupidest of stupid terrorists - it won't catch any you need to actually worry about) are being used and abused in the most insane ways.

Fucked up laws are never fixed by keeping your mouth shut about them. Quite the opposite really.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257378)

Because all these TSA goons are stealing our tax money, make traveling a pain, are screwing airlines, etc.

The way it is, you can't simply choose -not- to deal with these privacy invading goons and fly unless you have something like a private jet.

The masses are scared that another 9/11 could happen again if we didn't have these things and every incompetent terrorist "attacks" add more "reason" that the masses see to continue with these worthless programs.

When the government which is supposed to be limited and by the people for the people is stealing your money, trying to run businesses into the ground which will no doubt 'need' to be "bailed out", invade your privacy and all of this for no increase in safety which is why they say they are doing it in the first place, it should be a major issue.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

iksbob (947407) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257384)

It's the holiday season, during which many people will be traveling. Since its creation, the TSA has been imposing ever more inconvenient, invasive and just plain stupid policies on travelers. Bringing those policies to light through bad publicity can browbeat the TSA into redacting them. Seems very straight forward to me.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (5, Insightful)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257464)

They may have hung themselves with their new backscatter stuff and intrusive pat-downs -- I think all this extra coverage is indicative of people outside of Slashdot-types finally realizing that TSA is out of control and helping no-one.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257492)

This stupid shit is happening because nobody said anything when the last stupid shit happened.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257570)

So the molestation of a 3 year old is not a big deal to you?

Americans are odd. (3, Insightful)

FatSean (18753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257588)

Trillion dollar wars that kill tens of thousands are OK when our government tells us they are protecting us from terrorist attacks. But a screening and/or pat down is going too far!

Seems like the same people complaining the loudest today were bashing me for being against the TSA back when it was first created.

Re:What's the deal with the rush of TSA stories re (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257590)

wait big deal that the government is paying people to molest little children? Oh wait they are government so it is ok as long as they are not in a van. I can't wait until people start demanding that anyone caught watching this is watching kiddie porn, the logical gymnastics to justify the search but not people watching it will be amazing.

So friggin' what? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257168)

Does being "uncalm" set off a metal detector in the absence of metal? Do you really think a terrorist can't teach a child to throw a fit to bypass security?

Re:So friggin' what? (1)

sheehaje (240093) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257236)

I don't think the question really is about whether the child should have been searched or not, but that there should be a better way of handling it.

It's a very sad state of affairs no matter what angle you look at it from.

I should hope so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257172)

If the reason for these searches is to find weapons and bombs then whats the problem? If you're going to search then you need to search everything or it becomes pointless. Do you think a terrorist wouldn't hide a bomb in a baby's nappy if they thought it would work?

It's possible. (0, Troll)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257190)

I can think of some cultures that wouldn't hesitate to have child suicide bombers.

Re:It's possible. (1)

drunkennewfiemidget (712572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257264)

Yea, because this parade of perceived 'security' is actually going to do anything other than piss off and upset travellers. The people who want to hurt you will find a way, or get through anyway.

This nonsense is nothing more than theatrics, and it's why I won't fly to the US. I can't imagine tourism isn't taking a hit.

Re:It's possible. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257274)

I can think of some cultures that think nothing of abusing their children...however tenuous the rationalization.

Re:It's possible. (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257302)

Those that have been so abhorrantly treated by "dominant" cultures that they are relegated to any attack of opportunity they can muster? Are those the ones you mean?

Re:It's possible. (5, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257450)

And making hordes of people stay in a densely packed formation for extended periods of time does what exactly to stop someone from detonating an explosive device while they wait in line?

Re:It's possible. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257632)

In which case it would be much easier to swallow the bomb than bother with that.

Video No Longer Available! (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257206)

So, the TSA has gotten to YouTube. What's next, the Google itself?

But seriously, the harassment of this little girl is a clear indication that all parents should enroll their toddlers in "Little Ninja" classes so they can protect themselves from the groping hands of our government.

I wonder... (5, Interesting)

KyleJacobson (788441) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257210)

What would happen if there was a suicide bomber that was caught with a child, and the child was the one with the bomb... Would we willingly subject our children to being searched after an incident like this?

Re:I wonder... (1)

jarlsberg71 (953227) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257484)

I would like to think no... That we would never want children harmed by using them as delivery vehicles or in protecting them and us by having them exposed to some TSA agent moving their hand along till they meet "resistance".

Re:I wonder... (3, Insightful)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257644)

Its happened in places like Palestine. When people get desperate enough, or when their belief system gets twisted enough, people will try it. Its just that such a attack may happen once every decade in the west, and there is a point where it simply isn't worth the loss of privacy and freedom for hundreds of millions of people to save a few lives, maybe, one time in the next 10 years.

My First Cavity Search (5, Interesting)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257220)

Obligatory link to My First Cavity Search: A Children's Guide to Understanding Why He May Be a Threat to National Security.

http://gizmodo.com/5688087/the-tsas-sense-of-humor-makes-me-nervous [gizmodo.com]

(But seriously, TSA? Child molestation is cool now?)

Re:My First Cavity Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257372)

Obligatory link to My First Cavity Search: A Children's Guide to Understanding Why He May Be a Threat to National Security.

http://gizmodo.com/5688087/the-tsas-sense-of-humor-makes-me-nervous [gizmodo.com]

(But seriously, TSA? Child molestation is cool now?)

It's going to be the next big career move for pedophiles. "Grope Children and get paid for it!"

Profiling (5, Insightful)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257232)

People get up in arms about profiling, but this is what you get when you say it has to be completely random. 3-year olds, nuns, grandmothers being searched.

Meanwhile people who are thousands of times more likely to be an issue can't be targeted even though it makes good sense.

Re:Profiling (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257518)

So what you're saying is that if there's a 0.00001% chance that somebody who looks like a nun is a terrorist, and a 0.01% chance that somebody who looks like a young Arab male is a terrorist, we should search every young Arab male and miss the terrorist nuns? Oh, and there's also the not-insignificant problem that any terrorist who notices this sort of profiling will simply recruit a lighter-skinned female terrorist and dress her up like a nun.

What I think you're actually saying here is "Go ahead and violate other people's rights, just don't mess the rights of people like me." They came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist...

Re:Profiling (1)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257562)

Didn't you hear? Reality is offensive.

Re:Profiling (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257652)

Considering most terrorist attacks on US soil have been middle aged white guys they are going to be searching lots of folks anyway with your system.

Profiling don't work here. (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257666)

The cost would be immense and if you think your privacy is being violated by a scanner...hoooo doggy!

So, my choice is... (2, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257242)

"So let's see. Either I am seen naked by a pervert hiding in the booth or suffer a sexual assault.

I'll take the first one, thank you"

-Me, today, at airline security.

To think we are paying ~$5/person in "Security fees" to suffer this shit that doesn't do any good.

And I just hope the TSA personnel have dosimiters: The X-ray dosage per person may be low, but I'd not want to stand next to that thing for a year without wearing a dosimiter..

Re:So, my choice is... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257640)

I hope the TSA people don't have dosimter. The perverts shouldn't breed.

Metal detector (2, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257272)

she refused to go calmly through the metal detector, setting it off twice

Does she have some kind of mutant superpower where emotional distress causes her to manifest lumps of metal inside her body?

As for the rest of this, yeah, this shit is sick. Pat-downs were invasive even before, and now they've turned them into non-consensual erotic massages.

Re:Metal detector (2, Informative)

smashr (307484) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257478)

she refused to go calmly through the metal detector, setting it off twice

Does she have some kind of mutant superpower where emotional distress causes her to manifest lumps of metal inside her body?

As for the rest of this, yeah, this shit is sick. Pat-downs were invasive even before, and now they've turned them into non-consensual erotic massages.

If you touch the side of the detector, it goes off, and you have to walk through again. I suspect this is what happened.

Mission accomplished (5, Insightful)

eflester (715184) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257278)

If Osama is alive he must be laughing his skinny ass off.

TSA applying pressure to submit to AIT (5, Interesting)

Spectre (1685) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257292)

The policy has recently shifted from "mild frisking" to more invasive frisking for those that opt not to succumb to AIT (Advanced Imaging Technologies).

Genitals and breasts are vigorously groped instead of the older method of using the backs of the hands only.

Even the TSA has stated that the recent methods are likely to be uncomfortable for many, especially those who have been victimized by molestation.

Is this because somebody, somewhere thought these frisking methods would be more effective, or is it a means of discouraging people from "opting out" of AIT?

I don't know, but I suspect the latter.

Re:TSA applying pressure to submit to AIT (3, Interesting)

Nutria (679911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257402)

I don't know, but I suspect the latter.

Of course it's purpose is to get people to go through the AIT.

Tribune Copyright Claim (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257294)

The video appears to no longer be available due to a copyright claim by the Tribune.

Interesting...

Has to be done (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257296)

otherwise al qaeda will plant bombs on a 3 year old. Come on people use your brain.

I don't get it (5, Interesting)

imadork (226897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257300)

I just read on Ars that the head of the TSA testified to Congress that children under 12 were not subject to enhanced pat-downs. I'm shocked, shocked to find that he may have been lying!

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/tsa-boss-our-patdowns-turn-up-artfully-concealed-objects.ars [arstechnica.com]

Re:I don't get it (1, Interesting)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257534)

Oh I doubt it was an outright lie. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257582)

> I'm shocked, shocked ...

Your winnings, sir.

Re:I don't get it (2, Interesting)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257586)

My god, man, weren't you listening during the last election. Them that hates Our Freedom are making TERROR BABIES [gawker.com] now!

Child Searches (1)

Nineteen-Delta (1892866) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257308)

My three year old nearly got the same treatment in Malta the other day. I made sure that she hadn't got any metal on her, and had sensible shoes and jumped through any other hoop, but she managed to pick up a penny off the floor that someone had dropped. All the alrams went off, and the burly guard came over. Only quick thinking by the rest of may family avoided tantrums and screaming all around. - But I still think it is right to check chldren of what ever age-Just do it with the minimum of fuss is all I ask. Anyone remember the song about the bomb in the baby carriage....?

On the other hand... (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257310)

Sorry for the loser who sits in front of her. Ugh. Can't win.

if patting down anyone (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257312)

If patting down anyone is effective, you ought to be able to pat down kids, as harsh as it sounds. People who blow themselves up to make a point usually believe in that point enough to blow their kids up, too. Wouldn't be hard to hid a gun on a kid. Especially since keeping guns off planes is one of the few good things TSA does.

By the way, if you figure out how to do anything with a kid, even go to the park or whatever, and can guarantee that the kid won't cry, I want to know your techniques.

Re:if patting down anyone (2, Insightful)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257424)

I want to know your techniques

Benadryl, man, Benadryl. God help you if your kid gets wired by it, because every parent I know swears by that stuff.

I can't wait for required body cavity searches (4, Interesting)

Shadmere (1158007) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257332)

Honestly I hope that happens. I really, truly hope that full cavity searches will be required to fly.

It's my last hope that the people in this country will have any sense and stand up to this kind of asinine "security."

If the American people accept cavity searches every time they fly, and they just shrug and say "Well, what are you going to do?" Well, then this country has lost everything that made it special.

This will happen as long as people let it happen. By shrugged their shoulders and going along with it, they're letting the government and the TSA know that we will give them absolute free reign in this. It doesn't matter how many angry articles there are decrying the new procedures -- if people continue to fly, then the procedures will stay. And eventually they'll get worse. Again.

Wow that didn't take long. (1)

headhot (137860) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257336)

In the hearings today in the senate, John Pistole, the head of the Transportation Security Administration, children under 12 would not be pat down.

Re:Wow that didn't take long. (1)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257528)

I'm sure glad that every single TSA agent was screened to make sure they enjoy watching senate hearings. Surely they'll hear John's words and correct their action.

Re:Wow that didn't take long. (1)

headhot (137860) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257630)

Thats irrelevant. If John is stating the policy its his job to make sure its followed. And if its against policy, can't the agent then be charge with sexual assault of a minor?

Odds of dying in terrorist attack (5, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257348)

Your American odds of dying in an airplane bombing (either on-board or in a skyscraper), are 1 in 500,000. That is about the same as your risk of drowning in a tsunami. And of course if you move to the mountains or don't fly, the odds drop to near-zero.

I think I'd rather take that infinitesimal risk, rather than take the 1-to-1 risk that some TSA officer will be playing with my penis, touching my wife's boobies, and/or fondling my kid's pussy. (Sorry for the frank language but I believe in speaking the brutal truth.)

I also think the US Transportation Secretary can go eat a bullet.
"This is okay," he says.
No. No it is not.

Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (5, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257380)

People always forget this fact.

For now, I am going Greyhound...

Re:Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (2, Insightful)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257480)

But extremely visible. And extremely profitable for leaders who are willing to exploit it for power gains.

Re:Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (2, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257516)

And yet it's extremely effective in terrorizing people.

And what do you suppose happens when the people we put in charge of public safety say "terrorism is extremely rare" to explain why they did nothing to stop an attack just like the ones that already happened.

And what do you suppose happens to the entire airline industry, and all of the business conducted by the flying public as a result of the availability of air travel, when we have to shut it down because there's no way to make it safe after it's announced we have no intention of trying to.

Re:Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257602)

I'm not actually clear that it is effective in terrorizing people. The Israelis seem to feel it is just routine, and it seems like hardly anyone was terrified by 9/11 (angered, yes, but terrified?)

Re:Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (4, Informative)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257560)

For now, I am going Greyhound...

The head of the TSA said today that they want to expand into ground transportation as well. They'll find a way to grope you one way or another.

Re:Terrorism is EXTREMELY RARE (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257674)

LOL The TeaseSA

Can't be too careful... (1)

Jar Of Flies (1942236) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257388)

In my opinion the TSA didn't do enough. Remember what we found in that guys diaper last Christmas in Detroit? God knows they missed the syringe full of acid and matchbook in this girls diaper.

Let's hear it for Profiling! (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257396)

The defenders of profiling will arrive shortly to tell us how if we just focused on the "right people", we could avoid harassing little girls and little old ladies.

Obviously she should be allowed to just go right on the plane without being checked since she's not Arabic. It's not like anyone's ever tried to smuggle a gun onto a plane in a kid's teddy bear befo... oh wait [sfgate.com] .

Re:Let's hear it for Profiling! (1)

Jar Of Flies (1942236) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257556)

The underwear bomber last year in Detroit wore 'Diaper-Like' underwear to conceal the syringe and matches. I dunno but I'm a little skeptical of all these babies wearing diapers that the TSA doesn't screen...

Video link (4, Informative)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257414)

Tribune had the original video taken down, but the news report is still viewable here, with most of the actual footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNY_PTULO4 [youtube.com]

Vid offline new link (4, Informative)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257418)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yshc_ez6tg [youtube.com] Footage from it... Lol I wonder where that copyright claim came from... It's fucking news, there is nothing to claim!

The guy in charge of the TSA... (1)

old_skul (566766) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257426)

...is named Pistole. I'm not kidding.

Hey Pumkin, Want to play hide and seek the bomb? (1)

GarryFre (886347) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257448)

Honey, be sure not to say anything about the little bomby womby! Maybe TSA should start to get a grip on reasonableness instead of a grope on some poor child. One cannot eliminate all risk. I might get run over by some mad lunatic too, but that doesn't mean the police should pat down everyone before they get into a car. There is a line called ridiculousness which needs to be acknowledged. Teach a kid not to talk to strangers, and then expect them to not be frightened when some stranger pats them down. Or you have to explain to the kid that this is happening because the world is full of evil and not the bright, wonderful adventurous place they think it is and darken their world? There's got to be a better way!

Won't somebody (1)

razvan784 (1389375) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257452)

think of the children?...

children books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257490)

i am from europe, but i start to love america

here we have books where our "hero" shouts "you can take my life, but not my freedom"
in america you guys must have books showing a terrorist and suggesting that you forfeit all your freedom to keep your life.

lets just asume that 9-11 had about 3 terrorrists on board of every plane.
the terrorrist lost 12 people in 1 attack.

america lost a whole lot of lifes in 1 attack (sorry cant be bothered to look up how many)

almost every american still alive lost a whole lot of freedom in 1 attack.

yeah, make sure to not let the terrorrists win, right?

What do we expect? (3, Insightful)

orphiuchus (1146483) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257508)

Unless we make TSA Security a 6 figure career we are not going to have good decisions and professionalism out of these people. They are mostly high-school graduates with a few weeks of training. The kind of people we can trust not to pat down every hot chick, or hold up every rude businessman, or occasionally do something moronic like this story reports, simply do not work in this sort of pay. Either we need actual doctors and nurses assigned to the pat downs, or we need to give up this little bit of safety for the sake of privacy.

Re:What do we expect? (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257650)

Unless we make TSA Security a 6 figure career we are not going to have good decisions and professionalism out of these people.

So you're advocating molestation as a form of extortion? Fuck you.

Effective Protest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257522)

We were discussing this issue last night. I think the most effective form of protest would be for everyone being fondled to fake orgasms... loudly. So long as the main populace considers this an uncomfortable search, they'll grumble and put up with it. As soon as even a small fraction of the populace has to explain to their kids why the guy in front of them is screaming, "yes, yes, stroke it big boy!" to the security guy touching him, politicians will be under enormous pressure to fix the TSA problems or fail to re-elected.

ridiculous (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257526)

Can we select which airport employee pats us down? I mean, it's annoying if it's some burly TSA guy, but I could probably handle a Singapore Airlines stewardess handing my search...

This is stupid (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257608)

Look, it's obvious to feel that patting down children is a stupid idea, but what isn't a stupid idea is using a child to carry dangerous things onto a plane. Anyone intent on bringing down a plane is not going to care if a child dies in the process.

In the end, you either check all possible vehicles for carrying dangerous things or your start making exceptions. (You know, exceptions like bringing formula or juice for a child in excess of the allowed volume of liquid or allowing gas cylinders in luggage when it is in the same bag as a gas powered curling iron.)

Yeah, I was a TSA screener and I know how they work and how they are supposed to think. It's a lot of stupidity, but I cannot disagree with patting down a 3 year old. If the news story was about a 3 year old found carrying a weapon, would we then start jumping on the TSA for even checking or would we jump on the parents of the child? Seriously. Think of the alternatives before getting angry or indignant.

The sad thing is... (1)

gh0st1nth3mach1n3 (554152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257614)

As TSA procedures become more and more involved and outrage (whether justified or not) becomes the norm, it's only a matter of time before any potential mass-murdering maniacs decide that the best target is the huge crowd that has built up *before* the screening process.

My Aunt makes a good point... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34257624)

So, the other night I was speaking with some people regarding this issue, and my aunt raises a good point here:

Women have nothing to hide, so why are they complaining; I mean we can all see the size and for the most part, shape of their boobs. Not to mention that common clothes are barely covering up the slightest bit of obesity, and there is nothing dangling between their legs.
Men on the other hand: we have our weiner... given the amount of personal enhancement drugs out there, i would venture to say the majority of men are uncomfortable with their... situation...
That being the case, Grow a set, and walk through the scanner...

Control your kid (2, Insightful)

hymie! (95907) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257626)

If nobody else will say it, then I will.

Control your kid. Then she'll go through the metal detector, get her teddy bear back, and this non-story is over.

TSA did have stickers (1)

Enry (630) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257662)

At least when my daughter flew out of Machester, NH last year, she got a TSA 'badge' (which coincidentally looks like a real police badge - remember that TSA are not law enforcement).

The only big trip we have upcoming is Disney next year and I find it unlikely we'll be going anywhere else by plane soon. Unfortunately, taking Amtrak down from Boston will be about as expensive as staying down there for a week. Which makes getting there half the fun^W price.

Why is this a story? (0, Troll)

RoyalTee (1942268) | more than 3 years ago | (#34257668)

These TSA guys are simply doing their jobs. There's no reason to be upset at them. As for patting down a child, as wrong as it may seem, it has to me done. There's plenty of sick people who would use children to hide things. The TSA are in the right here, not a real story at all.
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