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Is Linux At the End of Its Life Cycle?

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the don't-cycles-repeat dept.

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Glyn Moody writes "That's what Nikolai Pryanishnikov, president of Microsoft Russia, seems to think. Quoted in the context of continuing questions about Russia's plans to create its own national operating system based on GNU/Linux, Pryanishnikov said [via Google Translate]: 'We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle.' An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?"

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In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270026)

...good OS dies first

Re:In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270124)

In Soviet Russia, GNU Hurd triumphs over Linux!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Flamebait)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270648)

In Soviet Russia, idiots who say dumb things like "Linux is at end of lifecycle" get promoted to apparatchik positions.

How it be called in Engwish? Ack da! We call "sosialist job sekurity".

Re:In Soviet Russia... (2, Funny)

uzyn (1165803) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270204)

... national OS makes Russians.

And Windows is? (4, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270040)

The same criticisms can be applied to Windows. Definitely not a Russian OS, and it's definitely starting to slip.

Re:And Windows is? (3, Interesting)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270162)

I have an earnest question:

What percentage of the original Linux codebase remains in place today as it was in 1991?

And what percentage of Windows 95 (a ground-up rewrite, from what I understand) remains now?

Re:And Windows is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270230)

Windows NT was the ground-up rewrite; Windows 95 (and 98/ME) had a ton of DOS code still in them.

Re:And Windows is? (2, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270290)

Windows retains a lot of very insecure backwards compatibility cruft (eg lanman hash types to cite just one example)... Linux is far better in that regard..

It was NT which was the ground up rewrite, but although NT provided a new kernel they bolted a lot of the existing legacy cruft on top of it, many of the security holes in windows are a result of weaknesses in (or as a direct result of) this cruft rather than the core NT kernel.

Re:And Windows is? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270498)

Unix includes a couple decades more backwards compatibility cruft when it comes down to it, and that includes Linux.

Re:And Windows is? (-1, Flamebait)

not already in use (972294) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270500)

It's pretty brazen of you to imply that Windows is less secure than Linux. Put a desktop distro on linux and connect it to the internet, give it Window's marketshare and watch hackers make swiss cheese of it.

Re:And Windows is? (1)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270592)

Yes, after I thought about it a little more, I realized you were right. NT came out in parallel to 95, then it became 2000. Then they discarded 95/98 and improved upon 2000 to make XP.

Re:And Windows is? (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270520)

>>>And what percentage of Windows 95 (a ground-up rewrite, from what I understand) remains now?

None. Because Windows 7 is part of the new NT line (3.1, 4.x, 5.x, 6.x) while Win95/98/m.e. were part of the old MS-DOS line that microsoft terminated.

The real question is: What percentage of the original NT 3.1 still remains, and the answer is probably "a lot" due to the need for backwards-compatibility with old apps (like Office 1995/97, or IE 5/6), as demanded by business customers. Don't know what % though... maybe 25%?

Re:And Windows is? (2, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270312)

slip how? it's sold 100's of millions of copies, and is in support, and 7 is pretty good.

I'm not defending MS, just saying I don't see anywhere any indication that it is slipping.

Are there ANY Russian OSes? (1)

c1ay (703047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270368)

Just wondering. Maybe all OSes are at the end of their life cycle...

Re:And Windows is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270504)

UNIX has been at the end of its life cycle since the first PC, or at least that's what people keep saying. Yet, it is now more popular than ever? (ie. number of installations) Therefore, something is amiss with those predictions. Remember, DOS was a UNIX killer too and then it was Windows..

Wadka. (3, Insightful)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270044)

"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?"

Too much vodka?

Re:Wadka. (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270324)

An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?

Too much vodka?

My thought was "Guy who wants you to buy his company's product instead"?

Re:Wadka. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270526)

... and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle

Too much vodka?

Perhaps the translation was wrong, he said "..moreover, *I'm* at the end of my life-cycle?"

Re:Wadka. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270556)

That's FUDka.

Right on time (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270052)

Right on time, they also missed the top 5 supercomputers and Google OS is about to debut... makes sense that MS would want to draw attention away from that.

Flame Bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270054)

Flame On

Re:Flame Bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270158)

All open source projects evolve to the point where the current developers want to throw away all the code and start again.

Re:Flame Bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270336)

As do all closed-source projects.

Re:Flame Bait (3, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270470)

All open source projects evolve to the point where the current developers want to throw away all the code and start again.

Ask the KDE4 guys how's that working out for them.

Meanwhile, it's an interesting point. In the closed source world the justification for keeping ancient shit code is that "we have too much money in it to throw it away"; open source can simply outwait the creators of the ancient code, or fork.

Linux NT (4, Funny)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270508)

All open source projects evolve to the point where the current developers want to throw away all the code and start again.

I'm expecting Linux NT, an entirely new kernel using a microkernel architecture. :-)

Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270066)

Do not drink tea with Russians. Or walk by Russians with umbrellas. Or go to Russia for that matter.

Nonstory, sorry (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270076)

This just in, WIndows person says non-windows product will fail! Gets frontpage on slashdot!

It's Hindsight (4, Insightful)

jgagnon (1663075) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270092)

As in looking at the world with your head stuck firmly up your ass.

The GNU tool chain isn't going anywhere. The Linux kernel isn't going anywhere. The only thing in flux to any great degree would be the packages contained in the distributions.

If you define "end of life cycle" as the middle of eternity, then sure, GNU/Linux is at the "end" with half-way to go.

Re:It's Hindsight (4, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270214)

The use of Dash as the default shell over Bash, the growing preference for cmake over GNU Make, and the speedy progress of Clang against GCC mean that the GNU toolchain is not invulnerable. Even if they still have a few years on the competition in most areas, I think GNU needs to start thinking now about how to maintain its relevance in the long term.

Re:It's Hindsight (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270298)

1. cmake sucks ass
2. cmake generates makefiles for gnu make, amongst other things

Re:It's Hindsight (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270438)

1. cmake sucks ass

Is it any worse than autoboardwithrustynails + autobagofbrokenglass + autofountainofacid?

Re:It's Hindsight (2, Informative)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270348)

cmake is built on OS tools, including GNU make in the case of Linux. What you're thinking of is the use of cmake over GNU autotools. And we're all happy for it.

The GNU Compiler Collection isn't going anywhere (though competition from LLVM is good and welcome), but the sooner Autotools dies, the better.

Re:It's Hindsight (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270356)

It doesn't have to...
GNU is not about dominance, it is about ensuring software freedom. GNU was a plan to replace proprietary tools with open equivalents, the fact that these open equivalents are now being replaced with superior open equivalents is irrelevant.

I doubt RMS's primary goal is that everyone use GNU software, rather that everyone should use open source software regardless of who wrote it or where it came from, providing its users have the freedoms granted by the GPL (or a great level, eg BSD).

Re:It's Hindsight (2, Funny)

kwabbles (259554) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270490)

You tenderfoots and your DASHES and CLANGS... you unwittingly believe that your new tools are so sexy and shiny, giggling and chuckling with your hippo dancing jokes. These tools are an abomination and a sacrilege. REPENT! The filthy whores of Babylon such is Apple may give you honey, they may give you mead now - but in the end you will be left in sorrow, pennyless. She will take your GNU purity and defile it and you will rend your clothes and mourn when you realize the extent of your filth.

REPENT!

Re:It's Hindsight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270590)

Dash is from Debian, but cmake and clang are both BSD licensed. Does this mean since BSD is dying it's becoming a zombie and slowly eating our brains?

In all honesty, GNU might have started the open source revolution, but I'm not convinced that it will be as relevant at the end.

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270098)

OS writes YOU!

China again? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270110)

Didn't China announce a similar plan - create a national OS based upon linux, in order to end their dependance upon a major American corporation for computing?

Red Flag Linux for negotiations? (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270656)

Didn't China announce a similar plan - create a national OS based upon linux, in order to end their dependance upon a major American corporation for computing?

No. It seems they created their own Linux distribution, Red Flag Linux, as their "best alternative" for when they sat down with a major American corporation to renegotiate pricing, source access, etc.

That's not an off the cuff statement.... (1)

bigtone78 (943249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270114)

that's a threat.

I believe the actual quote was:

Soviet Russia will break dis linux

But the article cleaned it up a bit.

How One Might Interpret That (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270118)

is at the end of its life cycle

That's not a bad thing. In a lot of the classic software development models, the "end" state of a software's life cycle was operations and maintenance (O&M). Which is to say you have no new requirements having fulfilled all the basic requirements. It's bad if you constantly need new features but sometimes it can be an indication that the software is mature or near complete. At this point the customer only ever pays you money to put it back into development or fix/improve something small.

I would agree that the 2.6 kernel series is very robust [wikipedia.org] and something we will most likely use for quite sometime. But I would always shy from ever saying that an operating system has all the major features it could ever need. I mean, I know a lot of clients that are committed to some version of the 2.6 kernel in their server rooms and would only ever update if there was a necessary security flaw or performance feature [slashdot.org] that they could not live without. For a lot of them, Linux has provided all the web server or database hosting features they would ever need and the product of "Linux" is indeed in the final phase of its life cycle. The vast majority of their patches are to Apache, Postgres, etc.

Cool Story, Bro (3, Insightful)

rakuen (1230808) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270126)

I'm not one of those people who mindlessly bashes on Microsoft for being Microsoft. But what I see here is the president of a Microsoft branch saying one of their competitors is dying. Specifically a competitor for, essentially, a government contract.

In other news, water is wet.

President of Microsoft Russia (5, Funny)

stagg (1606187) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270142)

Well, the president of Microsoft Russia should be a reliable, trustworthy source for this kind of analysis, right? Right?

Re:President of Microsoft Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270288)

Do they even have at least 1 legal license in Russia ? ha !

that quote made my day (1)

HunterA3 (553453) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270152)

That's got to be one of the funniest things I've read in some time. Seriously, does Microsoft do any drug screening?

Re:that quote made my day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270416)

Seriously, does Microsoft do any drug screening?

Yes. However they do not screen for vodka.

Gimme a break (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270182)

That is some really stupid crap right there - if anything the OS wars is what has hit a brick wall - most users can do everything in the browser these days - so run a stripped down rock solid linux distro and they are good - As far as Linux hitting the EOL cycle WTF he is talking about? Last time I checked linux was running on all kinds of gear most people have and aren't even aware of - yes @wadka too much vodka for that dude for sure

Re:Gimme a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270394)

We're going to break out of the browser again soon. I have no evidence to back it up except computing history and technology trends. Nobody wants HTTP or bulky ass browsers anymore really, we just have to use it cause we're waiting for the next platform, and it won't be HTML5 because of HTTP. Once we get over that, it'll be back to operating systems mattering more than the browser.

Cyborg Bear Cavalry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270190)

When I first read through the Russian translation and came across the word "bear" I immediately thought of the Russian bear cavalry. So my guess is Linux doesn't have the drivers for Russia's new(top secret) Cyborg Bear Cavalry, and that is the impetus for a "Russian OS."

Double wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270198)

It can become a Russian OS. With

git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git linux-2.6

on a Russian computer named russia. Then built it, install it and look at the uname -a result or in dmesg.

And while some Linux 1.x and 2.y Kernel are nu longer maintained. The HEAD checkout is.

The only thing which is at the end of its lifecycle is GNOME 2 because it is replaced by GNOME 3.

Google Translate (5, Informative)

kwabbles (259554) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270202)

"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle."

could also be:
"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is deprecated"
"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is obsolete"
"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is old fashioned"

Does anyone have the exact translation for what the guy really meant or just a Google translation.

Also, of course it's off-the-cuff. A Microsoft guy saying nothing more than "Linux is [i]x[/i]" with nothing more to back up the statement or shed more light on it.

This is news?

Re:Google Translate (5, Insightful)

TurtleBay (1942166) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270296)

I have to second this. My girlfriend is trilingual and is a professional translator. She jokes with her coworkers at how bad online automated translations are. Take a look at funnytranslator.com. After 30 online translations the phrase: "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." becomes: "The Linux Caozuojitong what life in Russia, you know."

Re:Google Translate (5, Funny)

windcask (1795642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270360)

He could also be saying "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS, and moreover, is the ass of a living bicycle."

or

"Die, capitalist pig."

Re:Google Translate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270560)

"end of its life cycle" is word for word translation.

Re:Google Translate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270610)

"...is at the end of its life cycle." is correct.

wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270206)

Russia moving to Linux and Microsoft trashes the idea of using Linux. Wow, I'm so surprised! (/end sarcasm) It would be crazy for MS doing otherwise because Linux has spelled it's death in supercomputers where Linux owns 90% of the market share, it also owns like 50% in server market share, now it's also marching boldly into mobile phones and devices, in fact it's already ahead of Microsoft, so the last thing Microsoft wants is a bold move from an important country to move to desktop Linux.

Just Days After.... (4, Informative)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270226)

...Steve Ballmer said that (paraphrasing) Linux is what all our competitors use

This was in response to a question by their stockholders about the possibility of breaking the company up

http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/11/ballmer-and-gates-heres-why-were.html [techflash.com]

Divesting something only means creating a harder time competing for all relevant parties . The operating systems that are popular on clients also tend to be popular on servers. They're all based around Linux technology. We happen to build our server business on Windows technology. It creates dis-synergy in fact to split our server and enterprise business from our client business.

Oh come on (4, Insightful)

Jethro (14165) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270232)

Really, this is the kind of remark best ignored rather than obsessing or getting upset over. Company execs talk nonsense all the time. I mean what do you expect him to day "Oh dear, this new OS will cut into our sales, as Linux has been doing and will continue doing for the foreseeable future"? Didn't think so.

Let him talk, just nod politely and continue compiling your kernel.

Russian OS? (2, Informative)

gregthebunny (1502041) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270242)

Linux is not a Russian OS

Neither is Windows! I don't see the relevance of that statement.

Re:Russian OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270322)

Infact Windows IS a Russian Pinko OS ;-) Let the flame waaaaaaaarzzzz begin!

Russian OS.. (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270256)

Windows is not a Russian OS either... I'm not aware of any OS which has been developed from scratch in Russia.

Linux at least comes with source code allowing the Russians to customise it however they wish. Windows doesn't provide that flexibility.

Re:Russian OS.. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270418)

Wasn/t the OS that ran the Argon systems developed in Russia from scratch? I know MOS was a UNIX clone, but I don't know if they mean that as a copy with minor tweeks, or a clone the way Linux is a UNIX Clone.

Yes yes I know, but people call it that.

Sounds like a trusty source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270308)

In Romania, MSFT put a dude harboring a racket face in charge with enforcing IP laws. These Eastern-Europe managers are not more than your average characters in the Sopranos.

Nothing for you to see here. Please, move along, people!

'... end of its lifecycle' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270334)

honestly, i think he was just talking about 2.6.X

By their life cycle definition (1)

hAckz0r (989977) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270362)

Every two years or so Microsoft comes out with a brand new OS, and sets to marketing it and degrading the previous OS's worth throught lack of bug fixes, unsupported applications, and attempts to coerce you to upgrade so they can get a new cash infusion. Never mind that their "new" OS is the same one just reconfigured, renamed, and with enough modifications to "look" different to the average user. Incremental changes, but nothing requiring it be called by another name. Its designed to keep users upgrading (new cash flow) instead of updating (zero profit).

Linux is what? 10-15 years old? By their definition Linux should have been replaced at least 5 years ago. By saying this they get to compare their brand new shiny OS against a dull and broken old OS. The thin is, Linux still is more efficient dispute its age, because it keeps improving daily through its daily update channels, not just monthly bug fixes like some other OS's.

Google translate? (1)

by (1706743) (1706744) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270366)

The quote was translated by Google Translate, so I'm certainly taking it with a grain of salt; can any Russian speakers vouch for its accuracy?

Bear in mind that this is the same translation service which, when given a dumb English joke to translate into Russian and back, yields, A guy walked into a bar and said: "Oh."

No. (2, Interesting)

Solar Granulation (1943072) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270370)

Linux is an example of software with a Rapid Development Lifecycle. It's created, used, feedback is received, modified, used, feedback is received, etc. Usually the process of modification is largely realised through addition of features and code, which has been the case with a lot of Linux development. Right now the Linux kernel code base is undergoing something of a revision, where the addition of code and features is less important than the improvement of existing features. If Linux were developed under a different model, such as the Waterfall development model, then this could easily be seen as a sign that its development were drawing to a close with the finalisation of features. But since Linux uses Rapid Development, all the current revisions signify is that the developers are making sure they have a solid foundation for later improvements. I don't see the Linux lifecycle ending any time soon. It may fragment in the next few years, in my view, but it's not about to die.

Yes. (0)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270396)

Because it is at the end of its life cycle, they are going to base their o/s on gnu/linux.

Glad to see that Microsoft's hiring department has been keeping their high standards while hiring in russia too.

Troll or MS Shill you decide (1)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270434)

"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." Nikolai Pryanishnikov then returned his home under a nearby bridge.

oh sweet! (1)

pete's-brain (1712936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270454)

oh sweet. so this guy would be like steve ballmer, except, only ever drunk on vodka.

the poor bastard, did anyone tell him that having both "Russia" and "Microsoft" in his title automatically invalidates any opinions he may have on free and open source operating systems?

well, i suppose we should just let him keep talking...


----
http://petes-brain.com/ [petes-brain.com] - definitely -not- russian-microsoft approved

Bring out your dead! (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270468)

MORTICIAN: Bring out your dead!

MICROSOFT RUSSIA: Here's one -- nine pence.

LINUX: I'm not dead!

MORTICIAN: What?

MICROSOFT RUSSIA: Nothing -- here's your nine pence.

LINUX: I'm not dead!

MORTICIAN: Here -- he says he's not dead!

MICROSOFT RUSSIA: Yes, he is.

LINUX: I'm not!

MORTICIAN: He isn't.

MICROSOFT RUSSIA: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.

LINUX: I'm getting better!

MICROSOFT RUSSIA: No, you're not -- you'll be stone dead in a moment. LINUX: I don't want to go in the cart!

MICROSOFT RUSSIA:: Oh, don't be such a baby.

MORTICIAN: I can't take him...

. . . etc . . .

lost in translation (1)

cfriedt (1189527) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270478)

He probably meant that Linux is entering its "mature period" as an OS; it's stable. works on more platforms and devices than any other OS in the world, and is certainly something that has great potential to be used in new applications and devices - take Android as an example. Why would one even consider basing a new product on Linux otherwise?

Hardly (1)

hazydave (96747) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270514)

Linux evolves... continuously, and according to need.

Look at the original-ish versions of Linux... much closer to original UNIX.. they even failed to do simple things like play glitch-free music from a PC sound card. It was, after all, a well know fact, back in the 80s and early 90s, that UNIX simply could not do realtime, even Windows-class "soft" realtime. Every UNIX workstation with the need to play audio used a DSP with its own memory buffers.

Today, you can string together a gstreamer sequence from any shell and not just play back, but even transcode (within machine limits) in realtime. Just one example.

Anything reasonably good to Linux users will become part of Linux. That's both a blessing and a curse... it does mean that any cool new stuff -- cmake, new compilers, new languages, whatever, gradually become a part of the GNU/Linux gene pool. In this way, Linux never gets outdated. It also never directly courts end-users other than existing and traditional Linux types (programmers, power users) unless some other organization makes a concerted effort to push it there in some way (Google/Android, MeeGo, Ubuntu, etc).

On Window, things get added to drive [a] Microsoft's dominance, and [b] the acceptability to customers of an enforced (and paid) upgrade, and [c] demands of the hardware OEMs. This is actually more of a balancing act than a prioritized list; unbalance it too much (Vista, for example, tilted way too much toward "a" and away from "b") and they have problems. But in particular, the "getting paid" part makes Windows change in 3-year jumps, rather than Linux's continual progress. And it doesn't really guarantee any specific "progress" or "evolution", other than those defined by these criteria (eg, Microsoft makes driver changes all the time to force OEMs to write new drivers and thus remain under Microsoft's dominance -- this is change for certain, but not necessarily progress).

Pure Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270536)

It's pure flamebait. Not because he's right or wrong, but because he didn't explain what he meant or why he thinks that.

I could say, "We must remember, blue isn't a very good color," and many people will rightfully explain that I'm full of shit ("what color is the sky in your world, asshole?"), while other back me up (because blue really isn't the color you want to see on a particular brand of pH paper after measuring your beer mash).

Linux at the end of its life cycle is the same way. Your Slackware 7.0 CD is less and less satisfying every day for new installs, and it seems like it just isn't getting any maintenance anymore. The 2.6 to 2.8 kernel upgrade really probably will be less exciting than the 2.4 to 2.6 switch. OTOH, everyone will still be using some form of Linux, 20 years from now. It's right and wrong and without context, all you can do is flip a coin and if it comes up tails, then you'll flame the statement.

Linux can not be compiled in Russia! (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270572)

"We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS..."

Putting aside the fact that no other major OS is "Russian either", and that Linux can be compiled and customized in Russia, this reeks of "not invented here" syndrome.

I'm proud to be Human, but I still wear silk and drink cow milk and alcohol produced by yeast.
Just because it was not invented or created by me doesn't mean it's not good.

If you only consume what you produce you end up eating shit.

Linux is not dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270580)

Linux is not dead and I don't think it will die. Linux has never been big because people are to stupid to know how to use it. Linux will never be big and thats not a bad thing.

People need to write on something besides "Linux's death"

The return of Microsoft FUD (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270594)

Every time it seems that MS is starting to play nice and accept Linux as a reality, the old MS shows up again.

We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle."

In this statement the MS employee implies two false dichotomies. (1) Linux is not "Russian" and (2) Linux is "old" and decrepit. The statement implies that Windows is not. What the employee doesn't acknowledge is (1) Windows is not "Russian" either and (2) Linux started only 2 years (1991) after Windows NT (1989) which is the basis of Windows 7. Sure Windows has gone through many changes since MS starting developing NT but so has Linux. In fact there was word that a new Linux patch that would increase performance in multi-tasking [slashdot.org] . While Linux has not gotten the consumer uptake in PCs as MS has, it has a strong presence in servers especially HPC. According to the latest top 500 list [top500.org] :

Family Count Share
Linux 459 91.80%
Windows 5 1.00%
Unix 19 3.80%
BSD Based 1 0.20%
Mixed 16 3.20%

Having over 90% in HPC is certainly not "at end of its life cycle".

Funny, since Linux is exploding in the embedded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270630)

world. Linux and iOS will dominate that arena. When considering the purchase of a tablet computer, Windows Mobile would be a distant 3rd choice for me. When I see advertisements in trade magazines for real-time embedded systems running Windows Mobile, I just ask myself, "OMG, why?" Imagine if your car ran Windows Mobile, and when you applied the brakes a message box popped up on the center console asking you if you were sure you wanted to apply the brakes. Or if you tried to start the car and a "Cancel / Allow" authorization window popped up (after locking up your system for 5 seconds of course).

Yeah right (1)

m2pc (546641) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270634)

Having recently installed several more Linux boxes at work and home after being away from Linux for awhile, I am once again reminded how elegant and efficient the Linux OS really is. It was actually a fun project to install, configure, and add packages to these machines. Unlike installing a new Windows box where I need to reboot at least 3 times in order for it to pull down all the required updates, this was refreshing and reaffirmed my appreciation of the Linux OS. Linux isn't going away any time soon, sorry.

Let's pretend he's right for a moment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270658)

Let's hope Linux is at the end of its life cycle for the following positive reasons:

1. FINALLY software that is FINISHED. Let's keep a working OS around for a change.
2. Bug and hardware support will be able to get the priority it deserves. Polish is important.
3. If Linux is at the end of its life cycle, Windows (a sort of autistic/LD/spina-bifida older sibling) is undead and needs to be put to grave. No delay.

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