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Review of Dell Inspiron Tablet/Laptop Hybrid

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the oh-yeah-that'll-never-break dept.

Handhelds 156

Barence writes "It's rare that Dell breaks new ground in terms of design, but the new Dell Inspiron Duo changes all that, according to PC Pro. First revealed at IDF earlier this year, the Dell netbook has a screen that swivels in its own lid, turning the Windows 7 device into a tablet. 'The Duo's relatively modest premium over a high-end netbook buys you the touchscreen and slick conversion to the tablet format, as well as full Windows 7 and a decent hard drive. If you were thinking about buying either a netbook or a tablet, the Duo does both, though it doesn't do the tablet bit as well as an iPad,' PC Pro's reviewer, Jack Schofield, concludes."

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Idiots (0, Troll)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270736)

If you were thinking about buying either a netbook or a tablet

Then you are an idiot, because tablets are suboptimal for all kinds of use except as book/movie players.

Re:Idiots (5, Insightful)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270808)

Tablets are better for showing photos/artwork... well most kinds of presenting really. Consumption rather than production.

Re:Idiots (1, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271012)

Tablets are better for showing photos/artwork... well most kinds of presenting really. Consumption rather than production.

Yep, I'll be doing a presentation shortly, and for this I'll use my iPad.
I'll just hook my projector up to-- oh, guess I'll be using my laptop after all.

Turns out: "better" is your opinion, and your idea of "presenting" is incredibly narrow.

Re:Idiots (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271114)

Amateur. I do all of my presentations by having everyone crowd around my iPad. It gives the whole thing a more intimate feel, especially when I have 50 people jostling each other trying to see the screen.

You want me to use an archaic device like a projector? Copping a feel on the hot intern in Accounting is damn near impossible if you're not crammed around a tiny device straining to see what's going on. Think, man!

Re:Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34273054)

Copping a feel on the hot intern in Accounting is damn near impossible if you're not crammed around a tiny device straining to see what's going on.

That's what she said....oh wait.

Re:Idiots (5, Informative)

StuartHankins (1020819) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271138)

You need to do more research. The connector is a measly $29. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A [apple.com]

Re:Idiots (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271216)

rich punk. you think money grows on trees?

Re:Idiots (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271368)

But....does it run Linux?

Re:Idiots (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271804)

Wait wait wait...let me understand something here.

They're a rich punk for suggesting a $29 connector?

Re:Idiots (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271946)

$29 for what amounts to a dongle?

Order of magnitude price inflation --> rich punk. Or corporate shill, if you prefer. Or sucker who paid $29 for a $2 dongle.

Oh, and even with the dongle, the ability of the iPad to act as a presentation device is pretty damn limited due to some poor implementation and feature choices. It works to a very limited degree in very limited cases spoon-fed to you by Apple, and god help you if you needed to do something else. It doesn't play nice with others.

Re:Idiots (1)

blai (1380673) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271288)

Measly, eh?

Re:Idiots (3, Insightful)

Graff (532189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271390)

$29 is peanuts when you are talking about the corporate world and large presentations. They spend more than that just in printing out the handouts for the presentation, not to mention travel, hotel, meals, and other expenses. Corporate presentations can easily run into the thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars for large companies.

A one-time cost of $29 for a connector that will be used dozens of times a year? Yeah, it's chump change.

Re:Idiots (3, Funny)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271486)

Measly, eh?

For an Apple accessory, yes.

Re:Idiots (0)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271496)

Hmmm... this looked great untiil

  1. I saw the price; 500 pounds is what, about $800? I paid $300 for my Acer Aspire One; same size, probably the same memory/drive space/processor, and
  2. It has an SVGA out connector (in addition to three USB ports).

It also has a built-in webcam and microphone. I only skimmed TFA, but I didn't see those features mentioned for the Dell.

The swiveling screen is cool; I'd really like one of those Dells, but at the price I just can't see how it's worth the money. I could get an Apple netbook for that much.

Re:Idiots (1)

r337ard (462179) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271528)

You need to do more research. The connector is a measly $29. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A [apple.com]

That device is also requires app support, numerous reviews on that page say it doesn't mirror output and doesn't work for a number of apps. Your presentation might not go that well after all, unless of course you only use Keynote and Videos for your presentations; or jailbreak the phone to enable mirroring...

Compatibility, not price (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271766)

The problem is that a iDevice connector is not like a computer connector. If you hook up a laptop to an external monitor, then (barring screen resolution differences, and sometimes it has BETTER resolution), the behaviour should be the same between the device's screen and external screen. It's just a monitor, and the laptop doesn't care if you're running Powerpoint or Unreal Tournament, it'll display whatever is on your desktop.

On an iDevice, an app has to support the external screen. A lot don't, and it's been an issue for awhile. I remember getting an A/V cable for my iPod and being quite disappointed when very few apps supported it. A staff member where I work tried an external display cable for the iPad, and ran into similar issues with varying compatibility between apps, although it supposedly works better if you jailbreak the phone and install some 3rd-party addons...

Re:Idiots (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271796)

True, but not every application supports projector output. The iPad doesn't simply duplicate the display; this features is enabled on a per app basis. So if you were hoping to display certain content from an app, you may be out of luck. However, apps like Keynote and Penultimate (recently) support this.

Actually, you didn't research enough.. (1, Informative)

rs1n (1867908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271978)

You need to do more research. The connector is a measly $29. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A [apple.com]

The connector you're referring to works ONLY for keynote a small number of applications. From one of the highlighted reviews: [quote]I teach high school and thought the vga iPad dock connector would allow me to project everything I see while using the iPad, but alas there are severe limitations to which applications will show on the classroom LCD projector. I wish I had known this before purchasing the connector. The Apple Store description says the connector will display slideshows and movies, but I didn't realize that was it...[/quote] Further research (i.e. reading more reviews) indicates that it DOES NOT just redirect video output that normally gets sent to the iPad's screen. So it's actually a ripoff for $29 since it only works for a small number of applications (for now). So unless you ONLY plan to do presentations through keynote, show pictures, or movies, this isn't the device for you. If I want to include a demo of, say, Mathematica in my presentation, or maybe make use of a web page as a quick aside during my talk, tough luck.

Re:Idiots (2, Informative)

gurner (1373621) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271152)

Yep, I'll be doing a presentation shortly, and for this I'll use my iPad.
I'll just hook my projector up to-- oh, guess I'll be using my laptop after all.

Turns out: "better" is your opinion, and your idea of "presenting" is incredibly narrow.

Turns out: you're wrong. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to be clueless.

What you need:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC552ZM/A [apple.com]

How it works in practice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GysMfb4_79A [youtube.com]

Re:Idiots (4, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272072)

While true, there are some things you leave out. First, notice the presenter view on the iPad. It displays slide number and.... well that's it. I'm used to the power point presenter view [cybernetnews.com] , which displays the slide, your slide deck, notes, a timer, and drawing tools. For the iPad you have to constantly turn around to see the screen. Also you can't annotate the screen. These are seriously limitations to presentations.

Further, as I mentioned, VGA output is enabled on a per app basis. For example, you can't plug the iPad into a TV and watch shows using the ABC player, while this functionality is standard on any netbook with a web browser. For presentations, this means you can't open a web page to show your audience, a common enough task, as safari doesn't support VGA out.

So, while you assume the parent was referencing an inability to connect his iPad to a projector, he was actually alluding to the anemic presentation functionality it offers.

Re:Idiots (2, Insightful)

Graff (532189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271162)

Yep, I'll be doing a presentation shortly, and for this I'll use my iPad.
I'll just hook my projector up to-- oh, guess I'll be using my laptop after all.

Actually, the iPad works great for presentations:
Keynote [apple.com] + Dock Connector to VGA Adapter [apple.com]

I know a bunch of people who use the iPad for presentations and they love how well it works.

Re:Idiots (5, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272102)

As a lecturer, I have a presentation every other day. I find my iPad is awful for them, as you can't annotate the slides. Further, developing presentations in iPad Keynote is an exercise in patience, while exporting from Power Point to keynote is a crapshoot, especially if you have complex animations. I resort to my trusty Dell Latitude XT for presentations. Even if it is heavier, it offers much more functionality.

Re:Idiots (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271168)

No, he was talking about artwork and photos. The conversation would be more like:

Here's my portfolio.
-turns on the tablet and passes it around-

A flat surface is a lot easier for more than one person to look at and pass around than a laptop screen is, and the colors are a lot better represented on an tablet versus a projected image. Not all presentations need a projector - just the boring ones.

Re:Idiots (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271170)

Yeah, no shit that's my opinion, who else's would it be?

And you can hook up an iPad to a projector, just as you can an iPod or iPhone. I'm sure other tablets are around with the same capabilities.

Re:Idiots (0, Flamebait)

gurner (1373621) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271270)

Yeah, no shit that's my opinion, who else's would it be?

Seems like it's not just your opinion. In fact, judging by the replies it seems like the only person who doesn't share your opinion is Mr VC...

Re:Idiots (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270820)

They are optimal for anything that doesn't require heavy typing or heavy use of system resources.

Old Tech (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270874)

Maybe all I want is a book and movie player, so I can catchup on old entertainment in my hotel room? Or surf the net? Or stream the radio at work?

My main beef is the magazine calling this "innovative".
The laptop which converts to a tablet is nothing new.

Re:Old Tech (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271680)

The innovation is the way it converts to a tablet, not the conversion itself. Rather than the whoe screen swiveling on a single point where it attaches to the body, it's held in a frame, and swiveled vertically.

It looks to be a bit more reliable and sturdy than the single swivel that's been done before.

Re:Idiots (3, Interesting)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271462)

If you were thinking about buying either a netbook or a tablet

Then you are an idiot, because tablets are suboptimal for all kinds of use except as book/movie players.

I'd say that netbooks/notebooks/laptops are suboptimal for all kinds of use that don't have you sitting at a desk/table/chair-type setup.

Re:Idiots (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271652)

There was a time before iPad when the majority of tablets came with a digitizer for pen input. Obviously this hindered mass adoption, but the is made tablets perfect for note taking and drawing. Currently the iPad and similar touch only tablets are suitable for content consumption, while there is a whole other class of tablets out there meant for content creation.

Hopefully the stylus will find its way back to join touch.

Entirely new! (3, Funny)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270778)

To all those thinking this doesn't sound new, and that we've had swivel laptop/tablets for a decade or more, you have to realise, this swivels on a different plane. A DIFFERENT PLANE.

Re: Different Plane! (3, Funny)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270810)

Don't tell the TSA!

Re:Entirely new! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270840)

Re:Entirely new! (0, Troll)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271272)

Different kind of animal. HP uses a real CPU instead of a toy.

Re:Entirely new! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34273358)

The HP also breaks if you look at it wrong, wherein you'll be directed to some Indian customer support person who only knows how to read off of a prefab list of problems, charge your credit card several hundreds of dollars and never actually fix anything.

Re:Entirely new! (1)

Wolvenhaven (1521217) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271556)

I had the tx2000z for close to 3 years(mobo burned out last month) and it was an awesome machine once you got ubuntu configured on it right. It came with vista and that lasted long enough to download an iso and burn it. Unless they've made significant changes to the tablet control software, it's still going to suck, even having to compile the touchscreen module and update the input devices on every kernel release in ubuntu, it was still better than the windows offering.

Re:Entirely new! (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270844)

About damn time, too! I'm sick and tired of having to make sure I book all my travel on Airbus damn it! I want Boeing support!

Re:Entirely new! (2, Interesting)

vjg (1393311) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270860)

De Plane! De Plane! I have seen ads for this before and have yet to figure out how it's significantly different from my 4 year-old Fujitsu LifeBook. Oh, wait, it's not as expandable or capable as my LifeBook.

Re:Entirely new! (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271046)

Actually there was a convertible from the 90's that used essentially the same mechanism although it didn't carry the outer frame around to the front/top of the screen. I can't remember who made it though.

Re:Entirely new! (3, Informative)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271254)

It's linked in the article.

Vadem Clio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadem_Clio [wikipedia.org]

Re:Entirely new! (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271570)

No that's not it. The one I remember was older and a real PC made by one of the major manufacturers of the day.

Re:Entirely new! (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272256)

The Vadem Clio was available from 3 different manufacturers --- you're possibly remembering it as the Sharp TriPad.

Or, you might be thinking of the earlier ThinkPad 360PE which had a similar hinge design.

William

Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (3, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270834)

Really, they lost me at "full Windows 7". As an OS, the interface is complete crap for use on a tablet. So this is a small netbook that converts into a barely usable tablet. No thanks.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270948)

I wonder... could you run Android in a virtual machine for use as a tablet and Windows 7 or Ubuntu for when you're using it as a laptop? Trying to combine the two form factors is always going to be tricky, given how unwieldy either UI is going to be when using it in the opposite mode. Unless someone comes out with a way to easily switch between the different UI styles as well as the hardware styles I think this is a non-starter.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271366)

There are already touchscreen netbooks, so some people have already been working to get Ubuntu working on them [ubuntuforums.org] . I think they've tackled a lot of the driver problems, but I imagine that any new hardware like this is going to have its own set of driver issues to tackle (and no manufacturer support). As for Android in a virtual machine, I think you'd just have to run the Android emulator in Eclipse?

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271460)

I wonder... could you run Android in a virtual machine for use as a tablet ...

Technically it's just a weird Linux distro. A proper VM would certainly be a step up from what's included in the Android SDK.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271072)

Really, they lost me at "full Windows 7". As an OS, the interface is complete crap for use on a tablet. So this is a small netbook that converts into a barely usable tablet. No thanks.

Yeah because everybody wants it to have a Linux kernel that runs absolutely nothing worth while to the average customer. GTFO!

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271184)

I thought everyone agreed that average customer = Web, email, instant messaging, music, maybe movies.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272116)

Android sales disagree. You said Linux, right?

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271404)

This is exactly what I want in a tablet. This is the biggest turnoff for me with the iPad, being chained to iOS.

What's important is that a proper interface is running on the device. That was the biggest problem with tablets from 5-8 years ago. They were running straight Windows XP which made for a clumsy experience. But on the other hand, the OS made those tablets quite useful and a viable alternative to a laptop.

What's important is that a fluid experience is offered when you're using the device as a tablet. The complexity of the OS shouldn't get in the way of the experience. That's what Apple does well. But it's nice to have that extra depth available when I need it.

Those early PC tablets were generally panned in the media. The same "experts" soiling themselves over the iPad failed to see the potential in those forerunners. Granted, display and touchscreen technology wasn't where it is today. And both Microsoft and those hardware companies, Sony and others, totally missed the boat on providing a proper user experience. But they haven't gotten any credit for breaking ground with tablets.

The problem now seems to be that PC-makers seem to be afraid of committing to a real tablet and instead are offering these odd half-breed devices. I guess Dell and others feel they're absolved of the expense and effort of designing a proper GUI is they basically market laptops with tablet-style gimmickry. Either that or they're going to sit around waiting for Google to develop a direct knockoff of iOS for tablets. All this means we'll likely never see a proper full-featured tablet.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271470)

Durr....

Here's a thought: Try using it.

Everyone who never has ... bitches about the UI, which is funny as *hell* considering that getting into network settings on an iPad requires selecting a text-line ... just as it would in the windows start menu.

One has to wonder what touch-capable device you have ever used...if any...to claim "interface" as a fault.

Do try again, though. It should be quite entertaining.

Re:Windows 7 is not a Tablet OS (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272602)

What's so crappy about it as a mobile OS?

Sure, out of the box it's not perfect. But it's easily customizable (as in, built-in settings) to make it better: larger icons, fonts, etc. (as a proportion of the screen) and the like. At the resolution this netbook runs, it should be quite usable.

In all actuality, Win7 can be customized to work almost identically to how the Maemo 4 UI works. That's a win for me, personally - the Maemo 4 UI is (IMO) one of the quickest usable UIs I've used for a mobile.

Apple Sales? (5, Funny)

BC_R3 (1942996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270852)

This release will probably hurt both iPad and MacBook sales drastically. Better operating system and the ability to function as both a laptop and a tablet will appeal to a large group people.

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270876)

Want to place a wager on that? I bet this is the last we ever hear about this (not so new) laptablet. Android and the iPad will eat this shit alive.

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

BC_R3 (1942996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271036)

Would you also like me to bet on Linux coming back?

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271304)

What does that even mean?

Wait, was your original post POE?

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271308)

What do you mean coming back?
It has better than 50% of the server room, runs on most smartphones sold, dell still sells their limited selection of linux machines.

Re:Apple Sales? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272012)

The funny part about Linux running Android is that the userland runs almost entirely in a JVM.

Re:Apple Sales? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271096)

Android, sure. iPad? I think not.

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271256)

... iPad? I think not.

That's because you're an AC on Slashdot, and live in a strange bubble world where iPods were "lame".

Re:Apple Sales? (1)

digitallife (805599) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271970)

Only a computer geek who has no grasp of what the larger demographic wants would think this. The fact is that the iPad is selling well (4th quarter projections of 15-20 million) because a huge amount of people, who obviously aren't you, really like to use it.

Re:Apple Sales? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34273162)

because a huge amount of people will buy any piece of shit chunk of plastic emblazoned with an Apple logo without any regard, knowledge or comprehension of it's function, capability, capacity or usefullness, simply because Uncle Steve tells them they have to have it

FTFY

-AC

Soon I will be proven right... (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270878)

The tablet fad will end with small convertible laptops (or "netvertibles" as they're called now).

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (4, Informative)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270974)

You're wrong. Tablets will get thinner and lighter, and you'll dock them with keyboards (wirelessly) and larger monitors when you need to. Fewer and fewer people will see the need to buy a desktop or laptop computer.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (4, Interesting)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271130)

You're wrong. Tablets will get thinner and lighter, and you'll dock them with keyboards (wirelessly) and larger monitors when you need to. Fewer and fewer people will see the need to buy a desktop or laptop computer.

That's my prediction too... the laptop is dead, long live the laptop.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (4, Interesting)

Graff (532189) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271294)

Tablets will get thinner and lighter, and you'll dock them with keyboards (wirelessly) and larger monitors when you need to.

Basically how people are using the iPad right now. The combination of the iPad + bluetooth keyboards and dock connectors makes it a close replacement for a desktop system for most people.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271348)

Yep. It's the beginning, although I think it will take a few cheaper android tablets to really get this started -- tablets need to cost less than netbooks to replace them, and they will, in time.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271480)

And they'll all be locked down.

Welcome to the world of Trusted Computing!

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271702)

Yep, because the people that make free open software have their heads up their arses over what most people want from their computing devices. And they certainly seem to lack broad vision about where this is all going in terms of user interaction.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272282)

It's irrelevant, since the device makers will be the ones to close it. Android is OSS, but that doesn't mean it's open on the devices themselves.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271736)

Arg, I really should have qualified that, there is some great open source software of course.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (2, Insightful)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273290)

Bingo. If I look at my home computing needs, my iPad basically does everything I need with a dock for a full keyboard. If I didn't need to fire up Netbeans every once in a while and dive into code, it would a replacement for my work computer as well. I have a Mac Mini hooked up to the TV mainly as a media center to watch iTunes movies and shows.

Re:Soon I will be proven right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271682)

(or "netvertibles" as they're called now).

oh sweet jesus. what an obnoxious buzzword. About as lame as 'SmartBook' (what's so 'smart' about it that sets it apart from other netbooks?)

even worse than the iPad (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 3 years ago | (#34270902)

though it doesn't do the tablet bit as well as an iPad

Worse than the iPad? So we can expect a terrible keyboard, terrible text selection, rotation issues, and buggy input controls? Where do I sign up?

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34270980)

How is this different from an ASUS Eeepc T91 or T91 MT?

Can it run Linux? (4, Interesting)

russlar (1122455) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271180)

I'm dead serious about that. If it will run something I can install KDE onto, I'm sold.

Re:Can it run Linux? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271266)

I'm dead serious about that. If it will run something I can install KDE onto, I'm sold.

Of course it can. It's a computer.

Re:Can it run Linux? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271708)

What I want to know if it can run Linux, and then switch to Android in tablet mode. (Or, for me, Windows, and then switch to Android mode, since all my software is Win-centric).

Re:Can it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272354)

since all my software is Win-centric).

*points to door*

Get out.

I'll wait for a 7 inch (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271316)

I know that all the "people in the know" say we all only want a 10inch and bigger tablet, but not me. Part of my daily work has me dealing with the iPad and other tablets. I can say that i just dont enjoy the larger formfactor of the iPad. Sure, it is better for web browsing, I will certainly admit that, but I just hate to carry it around.
For me, I want something about the size of the playbook from RIM. It will still fit in my suit coat pocket or nicely in a hand bag if you are a lady. It's perfect size for reading a book or even a manual. Now, pair that up with say Wi-Fi direct and Bluetooth 4.0 with advanced secure simple pairing for fast document sharing with other tablets and I think you have a good product.
It should also be able to accept stylus input. This is a MUST for me and I think most in the business word.
Imagine how much nicer it would be to sit in that meeting when you can lean back in the chair holding your hand size tablet and making notes as you would on paper.

For me though, the whole problem is the lack of easy sharing of information. I should be able to "flick" my document towards yours and that should be enough. Maybe enter in a 4 digit code, but not more. Until Documents can easily be passed from machine to machine, it will still be a no go. Let's see. It's still interesting times.

Re:I'll wait for a 7 inch (2, Interesting)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271358)

Galaxy Tab? Comes pretty close

Re:I'll wait for a 7 inch (1)

nyctopterus (717502) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271540)

I agree with a lot of that, except the stylus for writing. I can write faster on an iPad than I can with a stylus on glass (or even on paper, if I'm honest). I was hoping the iPad would come in a 7" model.

Totally agree about the sharing. Physical location is something developers have been ignoring for far too long. I frequently email people documents, even though they're in the same damn room! It's ridiculous.

Tablet Linux distro, libraries for multi-touch? (1)

lullabud (679893) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271322)

Is there a distro of Linux that is designed specifically for multi-touch tablet interfacing?

One of the greatest points of the iOS devices is that their apps are designed for multi-touch input from the ground up. It would be great to see this idea put onto Linux... multi-touch interfaces built on the same libraries as the keyboard/mouse interfacing apps.

I guess the underlying questions are are there any GUIs that are being developed for linux with multi-touch for the primary input? And are there any libraries that developers can use to port their interfaces to be primarily multi-touch?

Since you can boot Android on iOS devices, and there are alternative hardwares like this, it seems like something that would quickly gain a large following. Without something like that I fear that the open alternatives to iOS will drag on and on in half-baked form, never successfully challenging the consistent experience you get on iOS.

Re:Tablet Linux distro, libraries for multi-touch? (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271576)

Without something like that I fear that the open alternatives to iOS will drag on and on in half-baked form, never successfully challenging the consistent experience you get on iOS.

Well, there's MeeGo. The biggest thing is making sure that X11 can register and report multitouch events to applications, support for which is coming up rapidly. Of course, multitouch is a patent minefield with Apple patenting certain gestures (!).

Nothing in Android will be of value since it's all Android-specific interfaces.

short attention span (0, Flamebait)

serbanp (139486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271338)

""It's rare that Dell breaks new ground in terms of design [...]"

Really? Despite Apple's noise around its hardware, the only truly innovative design happening in the mobile computing in the last couple of years was the Dell's Adamo. Too bad it didn't take off; I guess that everybody was holding their breath for the overrated ipad so they missed Adamo's launch.

It's the SHIMMER of tablets and laptops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271352)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/61320/saturday-night-live-shimmer-floor-wax

It's a (too-thick) tablet! No, it's a (too-small) laptop! IT'S BOTH, badly!

Wow, what an innovative design! (1)

kurokame (1764228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271384)

It's like someone decided to knock off the convertible tablets which have been around for ages now, but had Bloody Stupid Johnson do the hinge design!

History, know it. Other than another data point on the size-weight-features continuum, this device brings nothing new to the table.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer#Timeline_of_tablet_PC_history

Good try, though it's been done before (1)

countSudoku() (1047544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271408)

Still, sometimes when we try and straddle a fence, we end up falling and hopefully not crushing our genitals against the fence...

Trying to be two less than stellar devices might make one really shitty one. It's Windows; fail.

Hybrid (3, Informative)

highspl (523486) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271498)

It's a hybrid. When the battery runs down, its gas engine kicks in.

Go to glasses (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271534)

I love this struggle to become smaller, lighter, more powerful, and we argue over whether or not it will meet everyone's needs. There is no one product that will do it for everyone....yes, even the iPad.

What about those glasses that can project the monitor image onto the lens while you walk down a busy street and get run over. Would be cool someday to see a touch version of those glasses with people walking while poking themselves in the eyes.

Others hate the iPad for use outdoors while they sit at the beach reading a book (ok, that's a commercial). Still others think they are cooler than everyone else when they whip out their iPad and start flipping aimlessly through web pages that are all bookmarked.

Seriously, there are some people where this type of computer will be perfect and others that see no value in it. To each his/her own.

Interesting, but not with Windows. (3, Interesting)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#34271640)

I can see this as a potential win if you really need a keyboard for some things, but would want the tablet factor for others. This might have been on my wish list last year before I purchased an acer mini-laptop (11.6" Timeline), save for the weak processor.

I'm torn, as the specks make it look pretty weak for running full Win7, and experience tells me that the touch interface with Windows is going to be a real bear. Still, the dock and ease of having a keyboard for "work" or slate for couch surfing might be nice.

I guess it will come down to the software, which is where it will ultimately fail. What makes the iPad/Android Tablets so useful is the finger-centric UI. It's what I hated about the older windows phones (which were built for a stylus and very difficult to manipulate with a fat finger).

ipad is for queers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34271870)

iPad is gay as fuck, I say wait for the playbook by blackberry, puts the ipad to shame in terms of.....everything

Re:ipad is for queers (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272258)

Yes, wait a year for some vapourware product that will be 10x better. You could do that for everything you buy. Hell, I'm waiting for a flying car or a jetpack, but I'll have a car while I wait.

Or get something now which does what you want. Something proven and with software. After all, what use is a computer without software?

The iPad wouldn't have been a success if Apple had used a different OS to the iPhone. Keeping it similar meant loads of apps and a relatively easy recompile and tweaks to make an existing app take advantage of the iPad's extra facilities.

Is this well-built? (1)

rs1n (1867908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272032)

One of the problems I often have with electronics whose parts swivel (in particular LCDs) is that over time, the electrical components that have to be wired through the point of swiveling often wears out too fast. I wonder how durable such a machine would be -- hopefully they are as sturdy as an IBM (not Lenovo) Thinkpad.

I'm not a Dell fan... (2, Funny)

_0rm_ (1638559) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272656)

But that thing looks sexier than the iPad. First company to make a full sized laptop version has me sold. Bonus points if the hardware is Linux friendly.

Comment addendum (1)

_0rm_ (1638559) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272710)

As a programmer, something like this would be perfect for working on the go. However, the specs really don't seem like they will fulfill the needs I have (I do alot of work with OpenGL).

Clio (1)

Max Night (1221500) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273366)

"It’s smoother and quicker than the only similar system I’ve tried, a Vadem Clio smart netbook from 1999." Still have one of them. But it wasn't a netbook by any stretch. It was a slammin CE tablet.
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