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A Single Re-Tweet Lands Chinese Woman in Labor Camp

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the more-than-2-days-per-char dept.

Censorship 273

lee1 writes "A woman in China has been sentenced to a year of 're-education' in a labor camp for the crime of 'disrupting social order' after retweeting a joke on Twitter (which is entirely banned in China, but popular nonetheless). Cheng Jianping had repeated a Twitter comment suggesting that nationalist protesters smash Japan's pavilion at the Shanghai Expo, adding the words 'Charge, angry youth.' At the time, China and Japan were feuding over a group of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea, and groups of young Chinese had been demonstrating against Japan, smashing Japanese products; the tweet amounted to gentle chiding of the protesters. Ms. Cheng may also have been targeted because she is a human rights activist: she had signed petitions calling for the release of China's jailed Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo. She has been detained in the past for several other 'crimes,' including criticizing China's Communist Party."

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asdf (-1, Redundant)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272110)

Twitter Kills!

Re:asdf (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272738)

Soon America will be like this, if we don't start electing politicians who remove, rather than add laws.

Should apply to anyone using Twitter (5, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272146)

Anyone using Twitter should be sentenced to a year of 're-education' in a labour camp.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272172)

If you can't say that in MORE than 160 characters I fear you too may have been infected by this demon!

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272492)

In a post with 102 characters. Seriously, how can you even make that comment without having at the enough characters in your own post to back it up?! Depressing.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272702)

Sounds like somebody needs to be sent away for year to a humor-sensification camp...

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1, Informative)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272218)

I'm pretty sure Bill Gates doesn't need Re-Education, nor does Stephen Hawking, and they both have twitter feeds.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (3, Funny)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272320)

You definitely need re-education, specifically regarding sarcasm.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272424)

I just don't get the "Twitter is for idiot jokes". Part of my brain must be missing.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272608)

Yea, anytime you don't get a "[Blank] is for idiots", it's probably because you're an idiot.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272816)

I just don't get the "Twitter is for idiot jokes". Part of my brain must be missing.

That's okay; here's help: Twitter For Dummies [amazon.com] .

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

PatPending (953482) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273014)

Oh, ha ha, I was just being, you know, sarcastic. Here, try this [youtube.com] instead.

Re:Should apply to anyone using Twitter (1)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272540)


Hawking's is only legit if you pipe the tweets through MacinTalk.

Kudos for unbiased reporting (-1, Troll)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272168)

The political right hates China because they see them as a threat to American national security interests, so Slashdot posts a story about "OMG they accessed all our traffic for 18 minutes, they're trying to get intelligence secrets". The left hates China because of their disgusting intolerance of any human rights, so Slashdot posts a story about someone being jailed for a Twitter post. See, fair and balanced! Who says this is a left-leaning website?

Re:Kudos for unbiased reporting (-1, Flamebait)

jcr (53032) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272246)

The left hates China because of their disgusting intolerance of any human rights,

Since when has the left cared about human rights? Those douchebags still praise Mao, for crying out loud.

-jcr

Re:Kudos for unbiased reporting (0, Flamebait)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272306)

... ahhh, I bet that tastes nice and soothing ... I nice warm mug of strawman cider ... you're gonna sleep like a baby tonight.

Re:Kudos for unbiased reporting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272330)

They care about human rights so long as money and violent media are not concerned.

Re:Kudos for unbiased reporting (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272726)

Correction: the financial human right they disagree with is "people have the right to make a profit off of the financial loss of other, to the point of causing significant suffering/death."

Re:Kudos for unbiased reporting (-1, Troll)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272334)

Indeed, who does say this is a left-leaning website? If submissions tend to be left-leaning and comments tend to be left leaning, that might indicate most users here are left-leaning. The question then is not "Why is slashdot left-leaning" but "Why aren't there more right-leaning people coming to slashdot?"

Too few fat men crying into a camera about how the parts of the constitution they like are being ignored while the parts they don't like aren't being changed?

hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272174)

hate speech is not protected in the USA either. plus she was inciting racial unrest by targeting a specific group AND trying to get people to kill them. the KKK were arrested/imprisoned in the US. why didnt anyone whine about that ? ohh..because in this instance communist china is eevil.

 

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (5, Informative)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272194)

No, she was imprisoned for making fun of the people actually causing racial unrest...

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (3, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272822)

She was imprisoned because she is a human rights activist, the joke regarding the anti-Japan demonstrators was only a pretense. The PSC (the Politburo; the Standing Committee of the Communist Party) couldn't care less about a joke that makes fun of people they hate anyway.

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272324)

No, the KKK were arrested for ACTING upon incitement toward violence.
The KKK are allowed to march and yell in public, openly, as is any group like that, so long as they obtain
a parade permit, WHICH THEY CAN, in the US.

But if you break the law, like, oh, I dunno, KILL PEOPLE, commit arson, violate labor laws, intimidate employers...
such as what got the Klansmen in question in the parent post put in prison...
in China, you'd be the government. In the US, you're arrested.

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272434)

Which ammendment is the "Parade Permit Required to Exercise Free Expression"?

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (2, Informative)

Manos_Of_Fate (1092793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272572)

No, it's just required to hold a parade, which disrupts traffic and commerce in the area for a short time. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your freedom of speech that don't disrupt anyone, and don't require a permit.

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (1)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273038)

No, it's just required to hold a parade, which disrupts traffic and commerce in the area for a short time. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your freedom of speech that don't disrupt anyone, and don't require a permit.

As long as you stay in the Free Speech zone, of course.

Re:hate speech is NOT protected anywhere. (4, Insightful)

NiteShaed (315799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272470)

the KKK were arrested/imprisoned in the US. why didnt anyone whine about that ?

Possibly because it didn't happen? Klan members were arrested and imprisoned for crimes they commited (murder among them), but they still exist today and hold public rallies and events without being imprisoned for speaking.
You seem to be confusing hate-speech with hate-crimes. Going up on a stage and saying that "group X is a bunch of subhuman degenerates" is certainly hateful, but you have the right to do it. Going on stage and saying "group X is a bunch of subhuman degenerates" while beating a member of group-X with a club is a hate crime, and will carry different penalties than just beating someone with a club would normally.

Public service annoucement (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272188)

If you are a political activist in any country (not just China), don't post things publicly that are unrelated to your cause. Don't post things electronically that are or could be considered illegal, or be used as blackmail material. Remember that you are not representing yourself anymore, you are representing your cause. Everything you say and do will be put under a microscope, and the internet never forgets and never forgives mistakes.

Now that that's out of the way: China, you suck.

Re:Public service annoucement (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272226)

Yes, be very afraid, you might get caught.

Re:Public service annoucement (2, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272850)

Which just goes back to basic politics: The strongest win.

Re:Public service annoucement (-1, Troll)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272498)

Well, she shouldn't have posted something illegal. I have no remorse for her.

Re:Public service annoucement (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272818)

So maybe I should start posting up links kiddie porn on my twitter account (I have never looked for it before, but I am pretty sure google knows where to find it). Oh wait, that is illegal you say? Too bad. If you have remorse for a person who knowingly posted illegal content on her twitter account, I expect the same kind of sympathy

Re:Public service annoucement (4, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272994)

In a dictatorship, anything can be illegal at the whims of those who rule.

Re:Public service annoucement (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272690)

So you feel that political activism and a personal online life are mutually exclusive?

Re:Public service annoucement (3, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272790)

So you feel that political activism and a personal online life are mutually exclusive?

Yes, actually.

Re:Public service annoucement (1)

zrbyte (1666979) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272800)

... you are not representing yourself anymore, you are representing your cause...

That could easily have come from Gandhi himself. I wish I had mod points for you.

Athletes get fined for things like this (0, Offtopic)

Mike323 (1943148) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272200)

Really. Well I guess its not like in the U.S. where a sports athlete will be fined at least 20 grand for posting nothing out of the ordinary. AKA Terrel Owens, Randy Moss

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (1)

MichaelKristopeit194 (1942470) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272260)

20 grand is probably more than a chinese laborer earns in a year

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (2, Informative)

Manos_Of_Fate (1092793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272612)

20 grand is probably more than a chinese laborer earns in their entire lives

FTFY

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (2, Insightful)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272316)

Or the UK, where you get arrested for suggesting you might blow up an airport on Twitter.

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272404)

I think the fundamental difference between that and this is that she is put in a labour camp for it - what happened to that UK Citizen? One night spent in a cell, if that?

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (3, Insightful)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272534)

That's a difference in degree, not kind; not a fundamental difference, but surely much less unpleasant to undergo.

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (0, Troll)

Mike323 (1943148) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272348)

Oh and there was a case on another social media site that a girl was charged for commenting about a trial she was going to jury for.

Re:Athletes get fined for things like this (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272364)

Really. Well I guess its not like in the U.S. where a sports athlete will be fined at least 20 grand for posting nothing out of the ordinary. AKA Terrel Owens, Randy Moss

The fact of the matter is - if you have money in a bank account, and some spare change, you are better off than the majority of China, and most of the rest of the world.

awaiting the equivalency idiots (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272220)

you know, the snide comments "well, its almost just as bad/ the same/ worse in the usa/ uk/ western nation"

no

it actually isn't

when you confuse hyperbole and reality, you are no longer commenting intelligently, you are merely broadcasting your ignorance

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (2, Insightful)

doesnothingwell (945891) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272410)

Its not that bad yet, but you can't see trends then. Don't feel bad a lot of people don't see that "for your pretection" bus heading for them until it smashes them flat.

The Chinese are just one upping the west and I can see the west about to catch up. Have you ever heard of court ordered sensitivity training?

Where the hell else would I broadcast my ignorance than Slashdot. Now get off my lawn.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (4, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272428)

Except, I don't think most of the people making such statements are *really* idiots who don't get the obvious differences. I think (well, hope at least!) it's a matter of trying to caution/wake up people that nations like the United States are headed down a path that leads there, ultimately, if we don't stop and look at where we're going!

Just this morning, I heard a couple of radio DJs doing their show, and despite their repeated insistence on taking a "libertarian outlook on things" in the past? These guys were obviously defending the full body scanners and pat-down searches at our airports! Their opinion, basically, was one of, "Come on! Someone having a grainy picture of your genitals is no big deal! I'd rather they see that than someone getting a bomb on my airline flight!", coupled with, "Like the TSA says... If you don't like it, just don't fly!"

That mentality is EXACTLY what gets us ever closer to Chinese style government and censorship, people!

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (4, Insightful)

tekrat (242117) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272582)

EXACTLY!!! How is that American citizens can be treated with less regard than a captured member of the Taliban? How is it that a sexual assault is now necessary and endorsed in order to board a plane? And just try boarding a plane without the sexual assault and you're likely to be shot at, imprisoned, put on a no-fly list, and your life will be essentially ruined by the government, forever, all because you're trying to retain your rights and dignity.

And people want to talk about how bad China is because it makes them feel superior and that they somehow have it better here. Well, in many cases you do not. Elsewhere, you're likely to recieve better healthcare, you're likely to recieve a better education and you're likely to live in country with more equal footing between you and your boss.

And the country won't be entirely run by corporations focused only on greed. Please, tell me how much better off you are here in the Paranoid USA.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272694)

"despite their repeated insistence on taking a "libertarian outlook on things" in the past? These guys were obviously defending the full body scanners and pat-down searches at our airports! Their opinion, basically, was one of, "Come on! Someone having a grainy picture of your genitals is no big deal! I'd rather they see that than someone getting a bomb on my airline flight!", coupled with, "Like the TSA says... If you don't like it, just don't fly!""

Sounds like typical libertarianism to me. Libertarians are fine with absolutely anything as long as you lower their taxes. You could be Satan himself branding the Mark of the Beast on people's foreheads and they'd be the first ones in line if that's what it took to get an extra deduction or something.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (5, Insightful)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272460)

Sir (or ma'am), I truly wish I had mod points.

In America, you can say whatever the hell you want about the government -- even if it is slanderous, false, crazy, whatever -- and unless you are directly threatening to kill somebody, you can get away with it. That is NOTHING like a totalitarian government. If the Obama administration was really like China, Fox News would have been squashed a long time ago, and media types like Beck and Limbaugh would be quickly losing weight in a rock quarry somewhere.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34273070)

Sir (or ma'am), I truly wish I had mod points.

In America, you can say whatever the hell you want about the government -- even if it is slanderous, false, crazy, whatever -- and unless you are directly threatening to kill somebody, you can get away with it. That is NOTHING like a totalitarian government. If the Obama administration was really like China, MSNBC\b> would have been squashed a long time ago, and media types like Matthews and Oberman would be quickly losing weight in a rock quarry somewhere.

There I fixed that for you.

And what exactly are you doing... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272482)

when you confuse hyperbole and reality, you are no longer commenting intelligently, you are merely broadcasting your ignorance

...when you go and put your cart in front of your horse?
Or when you jump the gun?

Could it perchance be that you have failed to hold your horses, and that by bootstrapping your own argument in anticipation of hatched chickens you are actually tilting at windmills and thus producing a tempest in a teapot?

Re:And what exactly are you doing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272560)

> Could it perchance be that you have failed to hold your horses, and that by bootstrapping your own argument in anticipation of hatched chickens you are actually tilting at windmills and thus producing a tempest in a teapot?

Since you asked, no. The idiots the poster is referring to should be pre-empted and reminded that they are idiots.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272512)

Stop me if you've heard this one...

A man walks into a bar and tells the bar tender

God might speak to the world through a burning Bush

and gets three years in jail [nypress.com] .

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (2, Interesting)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272732)

Consider this hypothetical:

Someone really pissed at the TSA for their current screening techniques sends a satirical letter, thank-you card or email to Pistole saying:

"Thank you so much for doing exactly what I want. You have been a great help for my cause in showing the American people what it's like to live in a Police state when they are in an airport and what my Muslim brothers have to deal with everyday.

Yours,

Osama Bin Laden."

Just what do you think would happen?

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272776)

Done. Let's wait and see.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (5, Insightful)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272734)

Look at the Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prisoner_population_rate_UN_HDR_2007_2008.PNG [wikipedia.org]

The U.S. just has a different spin on "freedom". Did you catch the video of the TSA assaulting the 3-year-old and the father standing helplessly while it happened for fear of being arrested? Do you suppose in China they watch videos of Americans being waterboarded, or stories about U.K. police gunning innocent people down in the subway?

There's no shortage of ugly propaganda on both sides. Don't think China is so bad, and don't think the U.S. is so good. It's all somewhere in the middle, on both sides.

Re:awaiting the equivalency idiots (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273086)

It's all somewhere in the middle, on both sides.

hammer(Nail::head), sir! Combine this with the fact that black and white logic is oh-so-attractive, and you have yourself the root cause of many failures of public discourse.

America, $%&* YEAH! (0)

Throlde (1924874) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272232)

And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I can Tweet!

We in the West are so much more... oh wait (2, Informative)

Myji Humoz (1535565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272242)

What would happen if someone tweeted a "joke" about a bomb threat in the EU or the USA?

Oh that's right, they get a visit by their friendly neighborhood police officers. http://boingboing.net/2010/11/13/twitter-users-re-twe.html

This is probably front page news because we clearly all hate China, and Twitter is involved. In full seriousness, relying on the humor of law enforcement/secret police to keep you out of trouble is a bad bet. Relying on that sense of humor when seemingly inciting violence against a nation with whom ties are already strained is an even worse bet. Is this seriously anything new or surprising?

Please move... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272314)

to China. I will pay for it.

Re:We in the West are so much more... oh wait (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272352)

Except the person in question didn't even write the tweet. It was a retweet that mocked a bunch of protesters. She was targeted because her tiny comment didn't serve the purposes of the CCP.

And your link shows what happens when the law in the US and UK try to pull that shit. People don't cow down quietly, they mock the government loudly for their stupidity (also, the UK has fucked up laws.)

This is probably front page news because we clearly all hate China
Now now, don't go stuffing words in the mouth of all Slashdotters.

Re:We in the West are so much more... oh wait (5, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272382)

Its one thing to post a joke bomb threat and have the cops show up. Possibly give you some misdemeanor.

Its another thing to post a joke and have the cops pick you up and put you in a labour camp.

Re:We in the West are so much more... oh wait (-1, Troll)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272636)

Its another thing to post a joke and have the cops pick you up and put you in a labour camp.

It's called "community service" here.

No, no, no... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272552)

What would happen if someone tweeted a "joke" about a bomb threat in the EU or the USA?

The woman is a "human rights activist" who was "detained in the past for several other 'crimes,' including criticising China's Communist Party".

Clearly, in order to make an accurate comaprison, you would have to replace "someone" in your argument with say... Julian Assange.

Re:We in the West are so much more... oh wait (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272748)

So in your mind, originating a threat via twitter is the same as re-tweeting a joke about protesters? Clearly they are identical situations.

It is also identical where the threatener received a fine versus getting locked up for a year of hard labor.

Yup, identical situation.

Re:We in the West are so much more... oh wait (1)

Myji Humoz (1535565) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273072)

My point is that this is hardly front page news, as events like this happen all the time in China. They have a much different threshold for punishment than we have in the US or in the EU.

However, making jokes about threats of ANY kind is a bad idea. It doesn't matter if it is a tweet, a retweet, a blog post, a text message, a letter, etc. In this day an age, it doesn't matter where you are. Threats against the government or against entities the government cares about is a Bad Idea(tm).

Of course, many prefer to interpret my point as equating the two incidents, or otherwise as justifying either punishment.

Wow,.... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272278)

I really am glad
1) not to be chinese
2) not living in china
3) not stupid enough to talk bad shit against my gov.

ok, so 2 out of 3 aint that bad i guess.

{Yawn} (4, Insightful)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272292)

Who cares about the human cost as long as we can continue to get cheap electronics, right?

Re:{Yawn} (1)

Joehonkie (665142) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272462)

I *do* like cheap electronics!

Re:{Yawn} (2, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272510)

So what type of device are you posting on, and where do you think it and/or the majority of its components are made?

Re:{Yawn} (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272580)

An embargo would relegate them to many more decades of sustenance farming.

Re:{Yawn} (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273102)

the U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2006, non-US citizens and institutions held 44% of federal debt held by the public. About 66% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries, in particular the central banks of Japan and China. In May 2009, the US owed China $772 billion.

Are you advocating something or just whining? (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272760)

I get a little tired of the bitching about China's human rights problems not because they aren't problems, but because people seem to just like to bitch rather than suggest what might be done. See the US can't just make China play nice and respect human rights that movie about Team America: World Police was a comedy/satire, not a documentary, if the puppets didn't give that away. The US can't just police China.

Now, the US could of course do things like refuse to trade or embargo China. Ok, ignoring any consequences to the US itself, what makes you think that would work? What evidence is there that wold do any good? It has been tried time and time again and never seems to improve conditions in countries, only make them worse. That isn't to say it cannot be a useful tool for security related issues, but it doesn't seem to do anything good human rights related.

In fact a rather strong argument can be made that the only way China will get better at human rights is if their own citizens demand it. They will have to force the change internally. Like with most things in human nature, people have to want to change before you can help them change. You can then also argue the best thing that the US can do for that is to keep as much free and open trade as possible. With free trade comes free information. though the Central Committee might not like it, they can't just cut off the flow of information, it would hurt business.

Free trade with China is producing dramatic increases in the standard of living for many people, and has actually improved the human rights situation from what it was. It is far, FAR from good but it is a hell of a lot better than when the great leap "forward" happened.

There's a strong argument that the best thing we can do is just to trade freely and make all our information and culture available. If you've a different suggestion then let's hear it as well as the defense for it, but please less with the hand-wringing.

Re:Are you advocating something or just whining? (1)

mibe (1778804) | more than 3 years ago | (#34273058)

Mod parent up. The Chinese people know how to have a revolution, the rest of us can't (shouldn't?) do it for them if they don't want it.

anonymize. sheesh. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272294)

Anonymity exists for a reason. Not using it if you want to post messages not liked by a repressive government is idiotic.

Re:anonymize. sheesh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272686)

"Anonymity" does not exist in a communist country in complete control of your ISP. Got an IP address? Got an on-line account that requires registration (e.g., Twitter)? And anything you "submit" online is monitored; so you're fucked!

Such repression is a sign of weakness (2, Interesting)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272336)

Paradoxically, the Chinese leadership's need to quell
even the slightest expression of dissent, or the slightest expression of
free-thinkng, simply telegraphs the inherent weakness and illegitimacy
of their system of government. If the government is truly legitimate, is
truly based on the consent of the people, then it does not require such
measures. The most legitimate form of government is that which requires
the least repression of individual expression and will while still being able
to function in a stable manner.

 

Re:Such repression is a sign of weakness (2, Interesting)

tekrat (242117) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272442)

You mean... like the TSA here in America?

Wow, let's do this in the USA! (2, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272356)

She has been detained in the past for several other 'crimes,' including criticising China's Communist Party.

So in the USA the Republicans would be locked up for criticizing the Democrats, and the Democrats would be locked up for criticizing the Republicans. With almost everybody locked up, who could work as prison guards? I guess this could be solved with some H-1B visas.

Re:Wow, let's do this in the USA! (1)

Manos_Of_Fate (1092793) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272638)

So in the USA the Republicans would be locked up for criticizing the Democrats, and the Democrats would be locked up for criticizing the Republicans.

Go on...

Re:Wow, let's do this in the USA! (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272766)

As long as you put all your new prisons along the beaches - I don't think Canada would mind holding down the fort till you all get out of jail.

Re:Wow, let's do this in the USA! (2, Insightful)

morethanapapercert (749527) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272788)

I am intrigued by your proposal and wish to subscribe to your newsletter...

Re:Wow, let's do this in the USA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272988)

the libertarians would be happy to fulfill that role. :-)

China is the abusive boyfriend of the G8+5. (5, Insightful)

Aussenseiter (1241842) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272378)

Its populace is in a frightening situation, where speaking out against the regime is often a criminal activity. Its economy feeds off itself and other countries, and is reflected strongly to foreign markets, but the smoke-and-mirrors reality draws many comparisons to Cold War Russia, specifically its unsustainable growth and complete disregard for things like environment and human safety. Its foreign policy is bullheaded and unrepentant - and they get away with it, because the rest of the world admonishes it with one hand and spoon-feeds it with the other.

Stories like this are perfect for Western media (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272446)

Firstly, it's all in a foreign language, so you don't need to be too accurate with the facts and you can carefully translate things to sound very evil. Hmm, what sounds nice and Orwellian? Ah, "re-education labor camp".

Secondly, the girl is quite pretty. It's much worse when something happens to a girl who could be seen on your favourite TV show!

Finally, we all like Twitter don't we? Let's sit back, crack our knuckles and have a good, long relaxing stretch with smug looks on our faces as we think about how great it is that we can post whatever we like on Twitter, as if we can.

Everything you read in the news is accurate, you are happy in your Western home, the booger monsters are all in nasty foreign countries oppressing brown/yellow people, drink Coca-Cola.

Still better than... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272494)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/18/pakistan.blasphemy/index.html?hpt=C1

"This month a Pakistani court sentenced Isham's mother, 45 year old Asia Bibi, to death, not because killed, injured or stole, but simply because she said something."

"The town cleric, Qari Muhammad Salim, reported the incident to police who arrested Bibi. After nearly 15 months in prison came her conviction and the death sentence."

USA's best friends, China and Pakistan. Awesome.

What was the joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272522)

Seriously, no mention in the "free press" of the joke?

Wow, know not to do that in China (1)

Chris23 (1943144) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272524)

I don't have a Twitter account, but when I go to China I'll make sure that won't be the time I decide to become popular and make one. "Re-education" no thanks.

Coming soon to America (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272570)

With all of the new surveillance requirements of our friendly government and the alphabet soup laws and treaties pushed on us by the **AA, we are not far behind China in this.

Remember to put "Twitter" in every headline (4, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272576)

Because "Being an anti-government activist lands Chinese woman in labour camp" isn't nearly exciting enough.

It's not all bad.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272606)

...they let you keep the piece of brain that they take out.

But (5, Interesting)

Korveck (1145695) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272620)

If the government don't lock up disruptive individuals who cause public unrest. The harmony in the country will be gone, and the whole economy will tank. Personal freedom is a small price to pay for a thriving economy. Look at the US and Europe now. Their freedom of expression mires them in endless internal silly arguments while not solving any pressing problem.

This is actually a popular view in China and the party actively promotes it. Our increasingly frustrating politics make it more and more believable.

Good for her!! (1)

firefly42 (1942362) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272622)

More power to her! She should be able to tweet, write or say whatever she wants.

Regardless of what china does... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34272754)

It won't be as bad as inventing 2 wars against harmless countries countries from the other side of the world, with intention of creating boogiemen and plundering whatever can be carried.

Or overthrowing many south american countries' constitutional governments in the 70s to indebt them, causing around 100k deaths.

Or funding Israel, which also does its fair share of genocide on a daily basis, pretending they have a right to do so (and throwing lawsuits and smear campaigns at anyone who barely questions them)

I have no idea what china does, or doesn't do... But i'm pretty sure it's not as bad as what the US does on a regular basis.

Stories like this make me glad I live here (1)

BC_R3 (1942996) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272772)

Living in a free country you forget that things like this can happen. While it is true that if an American did what she did, they would be penalized. It is also good to know that the penalty should meet the crime and you would not be sent to labour camp. It's amazing and scary that a company that corrupt still is on the verge of becoming a global power house.

Do those camps even work? (1)

Rimbo (139781) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272914)

Serious question here. Do people assigned to these re-education camps actually come out thinking that oh, they had it all wrong, and they'll be on the right path once again? Because I have a hard time believing, after nearly 40 years of dealing with people, that this is the result. If anything, I'd believe they come out even more convinced than ever that whatever got them in trouble was right, but more cautious about expressing it.

I'm talking about what happens in real life, not what happens in Orwell's absurd fantasies.

A Single Re-Tweet Lands Chinese Woman in Labor.. (1)

roguegramma (982660) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272944)

.. Camp. Maybe it was twins.

Why is crime in scare-quotes? (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34272980)

She has been detained in the past for several other 'crimes,' including criticising China's Communist Party.

If this is against criminal law in China, then this is a crime, not a 'crime'. Something being criminal doesn't mean it harms people in any meaningful way. I'm glad it's just China with this kind of thing.

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