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Woz Misquoted About Android Dominating iOS

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the too-not-good-to-be-true dept.

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bonch writes "Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak's quote that Android would dominate over iOS was widely covered by the tech press, but after seeking clarification, Engadget reports that Wozniak was misquoted by Dutch paper De Telegraaf. 'Almost every app that I have is better on the iPhone,' says Woz, claiming that he would never say that Android was better than iOS. 'I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination. But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy.' Woz has an Engadget account and has posted further comments to the linked article."

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News at 11 (4, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277704)

Steve Wozniak may or may not have been saying Android or any other os would or would not dominate IOS or other OSES in any potential platform that has been and will be invented in future. This may, or may not be a news broadcast.

Up next (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34277780)

Bill Gates says Steam on Mac could take off, XBox 360 still pwns.

Re:News at 11 (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277808)

As long as we're talking about Mobile... did Windows Phone 7 [bnet.com] kill Dell's mobile division? [informationweek.com]

Re:News at 11 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34277840)

The title of the linked article is "Dell Mobile Is Gone, a Victim of Incompetence".

So, no, it didn't. It was killed by incompetence. As per the article. That you fucking linked to.

Re:News at 11 (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277856)

Clearly the problem is they pay people who fail to perform 8 million dollars. I would be willing to fail at that job for 3 million dollars.

Re:News at 11 (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278432)

Heck, for two million, I'll even fail to show up for work! Top that!

Re:News at 11 (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278508)

For 500k I won't even get out of bed!

Re:News at 11 (1)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278800)

For 250k I'll drink all night and be waking up, still slightly drunk, as the company is shutting it's doors for the evening.

Re:News at 11 (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278830)

For 150K less than him I'll shit on your doorstep. For only 100K less than him I'll shit on someone else's.

Re:News at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278654)

Well, MS is pretty incompetent. So i wouldn't rule them out entirely.

Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34277732)

This is proven daily by Microsoft.

In fact, I suspect that could be applied to an incredible number of consumer products and politicians.

Re:Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (4, Informative)

zonker (1158) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277976)

Indeed. BTW, this Slashdot story misquotes Woz too. He did say that Android would likely dominate. What he was misquoted about was the quality of Android vs. iOS. He said he prefers iOS apps over Android apps but he thinks Android as an OS will likely dominate over time.

Re:Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278530)

we may have to subpoena <i>de Telegraaf</i> to find out what he actually said.

Re:Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278206)

Starbucks, GM, AT&T + Verizon, etc, etc. Majority share != quality products.

Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277742)

The Woz has realized what he said might reduce the price of his apple stock, he is now retracting that statement.

Too bad since I don't have a Mac nor want to pay $99 just to play "Does Mr Jobs Like your App?" I cannot even try to develop for iOS.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (4, Interesting)

mikestew (1483105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277858)

AAPL was up about $8 this morning before Engadget posted the correction. Dutch commenters on Engadget have equated the Dutch paper doing the quoting with the UK's The Sun or The National Enquirer in the US.

Me, I just remember the numerous times I've been interviewed or quoted by publications, or read a report about something that I witnessed. Almost without fail I'll be misquoted at some point (usually not horribly, but it's certainly not exactly what I said), and the report of what I witnessed gets something wrong. So I'm more willing to believe that a paper with a less-than-stellar reputation got it wrong rather than spin off into some conspiracy theory.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277878)

That was supposed to be a joke, I highly doubt anyone who trades stocks even notices what The Woz says.

AAPL's current price is yet another sign the stock market makes no damn sense.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1)

mikestew (1483105) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278012)

Sorry, I spent far too many minutes than were healthy skimming through the Engadget comments shortly before heading over to /.. Some of those folks weren't kidding when saying similar things. But, yes, it is Engadget after all.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (5, Interesting)

getNewNickName (980625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278198)

Apple trades at around 20 times its earnings, similar to Google and Oracle which are both market leaders as well. Nothing out of the ordinary here. What doesn't seem to make sense is why a company like Amazon trades at 60 times its earnings. Is its growth potential 3 times greater than Apple?

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (2, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278540)

Amazon is still recouping it's costs. It's not as profitable as it can be. That said 60 times is still fairly speculative.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (5, Informative)

hkz (1266066) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278182)

I'm Dutch and I concur. Comparing De Telegraaf to The Sun feels about right. I won't comment about this incident, but De Telegraaf is not known for being nonpartisan and rigorous, to put it nicely.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278784)

Don't be such an ass. You've *NEVER* been interviewed because you are nobody. What you need to do is get out of your basement.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (2, Insightful)

rve (4436) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278824)

Dutch commenters on Engadget have equated the Dutch paper doing the quoting with the UK's The Sun or The National Enquirer in the US.

Then where are the titties [wikipedia.org] ???

It would be more accurate to compare the telegraaf to Fox News: one ultra conservative 800 lb gorilla in a jungle of moderate or liberal silk monkeys.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (3, Insightful)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278000)

You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.

Sure, you could try the same trick on Android, but even though there are more Android phones sold now, Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent. App Store coders like me certainly won't miss the competition, anyway, so yeah, stick to your plan of not developing for the iOS. That's the best advice I can give you.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278014)

Who said I was doing any of this for the love of money? I do have a day job.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1, Interesting)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278178)

Who said I was doing any of this for the love of money? I do have a day job.

You would not need that job if you were making money playing your cards right, while enjoying dong what you do. Not sure if you actually have checked or just are basing yourself off all the /. noise, but Apple rarely rejects apps. The few that get rejected love to make a lot of noise.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278660)

Making money while enjoying dong is illegal in most states.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (3, Insightful)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278144)

And a lot of people have turned $1 into millions of dollars with a lottery ticket, but that doesn't mean people who buy lottery tickets aren't morons.. While there are success stories, the economics for the average developer may not be quite so bright, as this article [blogs.com] suggests. It may not be dead on and things have probably changed somewhat with iAds, but it probably isn't a good choice by itself.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278882)

That article makes some good points (e.g., focus on the easy money first), but it's also pretty obviously twisting numbers to fit a pre-conceived notion. For instance, the author has no problem simply picking out numbers to claim that development costs for an iPhone app is over 11 times as expensive as an equivalent WAP or mobile web site. At very least, I'd want to ask a couple of people who'd done similar work because that's a pretty huge disparity.

I've yet to see anything even resembling a good analysis of app risk/reward. After not having good detailed numbers on the iPhone app market, another huge problem is that despite all the complaints, Apple lets in way too many worthless apps -- "me too" apps, especially, as well as apps that just don't do anything particularly useful. (I still see ads for jobs like "help us develop a crappy medical equipment ad as an iPhone app.") I don't care that some amateur developer spent too long figuring out how to make the fiftieth fart app and didn't make money off of it, and so far every story I've read about people not making much money has been along those lines. I am very curious about developers who make solid apps that have some sort of noticeable, worthwhile and unique quality to them, and how they end up doing.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (4, Informative)

Tharsman (1364603) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278154)

You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.

Sure, you could try the same trick on Android, but even though there are more Android phones sold now, Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent. App Store coders like me certainly won't miss the competition, anyway, so yeah, stick to your plan of not developing for the iOS. That's the best advice I can give you.

Don't forget about the headaches that come with programming for the platform. Angry Birds developers also have come out to say, in many words and with a lot of cact, [rovio.com] what a headache it is to develop for the fragmented hardware platform.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278260)

Got that right I am perfectly happy to code for iOS and sell on the app store.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278358)

Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent.

Moreover, Apple's App Store accounts for 100% of the portable media player application store bucks spent. Google has been slow to open Android Market to devices that aren't telephones, such as Android-based media players, leaving iPod touch as the only portable media player with a well-known application store.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (5, Insightful)

Draek (916851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278378)

You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.

Far less than the number of people who have turned the price of a Windows license and a MSDN subscription into a shit ton of cash, I assure you. After all, corporations pay a lot better than hipsters.

Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278274)

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
i understand your blind rage towards apple but you are wrong. developing for ios is free. $99 is to get your app listed in the app store or to load the app on to a real device. please continue to complain though instead of learning the facts.

I also love that slashdot mods the parent as "informative" despite being completely wrong...

While they're fighting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34277766)

Symbian is sitting comfortably on his throne [zdnet.com]
 

Re:While they're fighting (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277794)

And losing marketshare everyday.

Re:While they're fighting (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277796)

I think you mean, "Symbian is sitting uncomfortably on his steadily-shrinking throne because he's been unable to really compete with everyone else".

Re:While they're fighting (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277844)

and like most royalty, it's ugly, inbred, useless and long past it's time.

Re:While they're fighting (1, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278052)

And yet has gone down from over 60% to barely over 40% in only around 2 years.

Re:While they're fighting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278694)

On phones that they literally have to give away for free.

Re:While they're fighting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278302)

I read that as "Sybian" sitting comfortably on his throne. Makes sense, except for the "comfortable" part.

Re:While they're fighting (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278382)

Symbian is sitting comfortably on his throne [zdnet.com]

Symbian may be king in Europe but not so much in North America, which represents a market with far more people-per-language.

Throne? (1)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277828)

Isn't that a synonym for crapper? Where Symbian's market share seems to be headed?

Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless site (-1, Flamebait)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277842)

This just in: Slashdot has become a way to drive perhaps hundreds of thousands of hits to any site, no matter how banal or useless, merely by posting something on the front page.

How many times has there been a post about some neat bit of science or technology where instead of linking us to the information directly, we get a link to a poor writeup on a third-rate PR web site, possibly without an actual link to anything more relevant? Is Slashdot completely staffed by people on the SEO take these days?

Fuck this shit. From now on, nobody should EVER CLICK ON A STORY LINK. I know the old joke about not RTFA here, but we should be mindful and deliberate about not reading articles. Instead, plug the relevant terms from the Slashdot link into Google or some other ad-infested piece of shit search engine and make some other fucker 1/1000th of a penny.

Slashdot has jumped the fucking shark. If I wanted to read Engadget (or PRWeb, or whatever other shite site drives "impressions")I would just go to Engadget.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (2, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277902)

Who actually reads Slashdot for the articles?

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277916)

I only look at the dirty pictures.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34277938)

I come here for the trolls.... I'm not joking.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277964)

Fark or sites like it have far better trolls.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277980)

Not me any more!

I am no longer going to just blindly click on whatever Slashdot links to. If it sounds interesting I will google or wikipedia for it.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (3, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277990)

"instead of linking us to the information directly, we get a link to a poor writeup on a third-rate PR web site, possibly without an actual link to anything more relevant?"

So Engadget is the third-rate PR web site in this case? I hate to burst your bubble, but Engadget gets 4x the visitors that slashdot does, 2 million vs 500k, [compete.com] so really we're the third-rate website

Also slashdot stories are user submitted, so it only makes sense that their would be links to stories written by writers that (hopefully) do research.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278074)

Fan boi ass kisser. Get a fucking life. By the way, how firm a grip does Steve Jobs like when you masturbate him?

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278870)

I don't know. I don't masturbate Steve Jobs. However your mom sucks me off SOOOO GOOD every day.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278172)

Being more popular than /. doesn't make engadget not a third-rate site.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278346)

If engadget is third-rate, then slashdot is fourth at best.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278930)

Slashdot doesn't even get a rate newfag.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (4, Insightful)

wintermute000 (928348) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278448)

from the comments, most engadget readers (and I'm one but I digress) are pro-sumers at best and often sound like high schoolers fighting over whose gadget is coolest. You don't seem to get any actual techs or engineers (at least those of us there are smart enough to keep our mouth shut since the SNR is so darned high) unlike here where you can (sometimes) get engaged in interesting discussions on the real technical specifics.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (5, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278502)

This is so true. A comment here has no credibility in and of itself but there WILL be serious physicists posting on a physics story here. The same with any other scientific, technical, or engineering article.

There is plenty of hyperbole posted. When I read a hyperbole headline a glance at the comments will usually reveal how and why the article/summary isn't what it seemed within 5-10 lines.

Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278822)

Traffic does not make a site first rate, in my book. Engadget is a shitty site filled with useless advertainment. So what if more people click on it per day.

Popular Science has a bigger circulation than the American Physical Society journal. That does not make Popular Science "better" although it is certainly more profitable.

Quantity != Quality (0, Flamebait)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277866)

This is one thing I can agree with Jobs on:

But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy.

Thus, Windows.

Re:Quantity != Quality (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277892)

Don't you hate it when you think W-O-Z and it comes out J-O-B-S?

Re:Quantity != Quality (1, Troll)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277918)

I don't know, I consider having the vendor insist on controlling what I do to be pretty crappy.

Re:Quantity != Quality (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278092)

You mean like the biggest wireless carriers do with every phone even if it's Android?

Re:Quantity != Quality (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278270)

Oh even the handset vendors. Motorola sure likes to keep handsets locked down. And only the G1 and Nexus One allowed root access without finding local exploits.

Re:Quantity != Quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278698)

Er, wrong. To root the G1 you had to downgrade to an ancient firmware version, exploit the terminal to enable ADB/telnetd, remount /system writable, create the su binary (technically it already existed in memory because of the way Busybox works), elevate the shell, and finally rewrite the recovery partition with a non-update-signature-verifying recovery image. I guess the last step was optional if you only wanted a superuser apk on the stock firmware.

Re:Quantity != Quality (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278728)

Err, I'm referring to the ADK1 I guess, whatever version Google sold directly. I just dodged the whole mess and bought an N900.

Re:Quantity != Quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278836)

Ah yeah, I almost forgot about that phone. I still remember it costing almost $500 after fees. What a difference 2 years makes... ha.

Sorry Woz (-1, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34277900)

Android isn't crappy and if you were honest you wouldn't say that it is.

Re:Sorry Woz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278002)

Happy Droid X owner here, just wanted to add that crappiness is largely subjective and the different mobile OSes all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278108)

He actually didn't.

If you re-read TFS, he just said that popularity doesn't imply quality, and he thinks the iPhone is better.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278148)

If you re-read TFS, he just said that popularity doesn't imply quality, and he thinks the iPhone is better.

Or TFA:

[android] can get greater marketshare and still be crappy

Listen I own android and openmoko phones. I am developing for both. A guy I works with develops for iOS and was impressed with the simplicity of the code written for android. Woz's implication about android is unfair. Its a shame because he otherwise has a reputation as a guy who will say it as it is.

Re:Sorry Woz (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278282)

Your coworker is talking about the programming environment. Similarly, JRE and Microsoft Windows programmers think their environments are also awesome (in Windows' case, it actually is, kinda)... but the users of both think it's crap.

In my opinion, as someone who hasn't owned a single Apple device, but who has a Nexus One with stock firmware and a G1 with Cyanogen 6.0... the quality of the Android marketplace absolutely fucking sucks. Even the top 1% of apps are so simple that they can hardly be called applications. I don't know if iOS is any better... but I can't imagine it's actually worse.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278360)

Part of the problem is that apps are often used as stand-ins for websites.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278380)

Oh, for crying out loud. It can have greater marketshare and still be crappy. It was a point about quantity versus quality, and he said it with Windows in mind.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278484)

Its a shame because he otherwise has a reputation as a guy who will say it as it is.

I see what you did there with 'otherwise'.

Re:Sorry Woz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278110)

Android isn't crappy, just every realisation of it is.

Re:Sorry Woz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278262)

Nexus One is leaps and bounds ahead of the iPhone in my book. You gain features and battery life at the expense of shiny animations. Pity Google wasn't interested in selling models and just wanted to use it to stimulate non-shitty hardware running Android.

Re:Sorry Woz (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278354)

It says right in the summary, in a direct quote from Woz, that he wasn't putting down Android. He simply said that something can have greater marketshare and still be crappy. Don't act like such a reactionary fanboy.

Common Hater mistake (0, Troll)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278016)

Apple Haters "re-crafting" information in order to try and shed negative light on Apple? You don't say!

Re:Common Hater mistake (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278158)

I'd reply to you but I don't own a Mac and also don't want to pay the fee Apple charges to allow people to comment on articles related to them.

Re:Common Hater mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278310)

haha you certainly love the cock!

Re:Common Hater mistake (1, Troll)

Draek (916851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278412)

Just like Apple fanboys "re-crafting" information in order to try and make it as if Wozniak said Android was crap, you mean?

The zealots on both sides are pretty goddamned dishonest, as are zealots everywhere. Don't just put the blame only on one side, or you'll look like you belong to the opposite camp.

Ha (4, Insightful)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278176)

"I'm not trying to put Android down, but... it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy."

Re:Ha (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278872)

Did he say anything else the first time he was quoted? It's true, he NEVER said that Android was or ever would be better, just that it would become dominant.

Windows is dominant in PC OS market share, but is it better than OS X? For me personally, yes (just like Android is much better than iOS for my taste), but it's definitely not a question that can be answered objectively.

Same thing here - Wozzy admits that openness and variety will always trump a closed off controlled system, but is still of the opinion that the closed, controlled system is better. How was it a misquote?

translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278284)

Jobs called me and said if I want to keep my stock options I better change stories.

I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278342)

First off, he said iOS was better than Android right now, but that Android would win out.

Where did he say that Android was better now? He never did. This clarification story is clarifying that he didn't say Android today was better.

Obviously, the media was being a jackass again.

Do people really care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278396)

I don't own a phone because someone else says so. I buy the phone that I like.

Re:Do people really care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278494)

An AC who says something smart. I think I'm in love.

Hmm... when two ACs copulate, is that when trolls are born?

Re:Do people really care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278564)

If that's the case, from where did the first ACs appear? Descendants of Iluvatar? Melkor maybe?

One way to clear this up (1)

meerling (1487879) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278468)

If the original reporter has the recording of the interview, he could prove his point. Or use it to make an apology for mistranscribing something.

Re:One way to clear this up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278742)

Look, Woz was misquoted. Give it up, get a life, get out of your mom's basement.

Re:One way to clear this up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278808)

If the original reporter has the recording of the interview, he could prove his point. Or use it to make an apology for mistranscribing something.

The reporter could do that. Suppose the quote was correct; in that case by releasing the audio clip the Woz is made out as making a giant ass of himself for a world-wide audience. Chances are that particular reporter won't be doing a lot of high-level interviews anymore in the future. For this same reason, not a lot of TV/radio reporters will keep going on about a subject the interviewee is very hard trying to avoid, max 2 follow-ups but then they switch to the next subject, answer or not. Some of that is time pressure as the effective way of avoiding to answer is just talk 2-3 minutes about something else. After follow-up #2 it's 6-9 minutes further into the interview so you force them to move on.

What he really said was that the Iphone would (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278526)

become an Android, possibly the T-1000. But he's pretty sure that time travel thing won't happen.

Apple vs. Android. (4, Interesting)

crhylove (205956) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278544)

Is exactly the same battle as Apple vs. Microsoft a decade ago. And Apple will lose again for the same reasons: Inflated price, locked platform, and developer exclusion. Woz sees the obvious. Jobs apparently does not.

Re:Apple vs. Android. (5, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278758)

Is exactly the same battle as Apple vs. Microsoft a decade ago. And Apple will lose again for the same reasons: Inflated price, locked platform, and developer exclusion. Woz sees the obvious. Jobs apparently does not.

Is Apple losing? Apple's in a really great spot - they're raking in cash. So is Microsoft, except that Apple is moving far less units than Dell, HP, Acer and other hardware manufacturers, so their actual costs per sale is lower and margins are higher.

They also only have 2 iPhone models out that's outselling individual Android phones out there. The only reason Android phones are "winning" is the sheer number of models of Android phones out there. They also rake in close to 50% of mobile industry profits, despite only having anywhere from 1-2% total mobile marketshare. All the other bigger companies (LG, Samsung, Nokia, RIM) are scrapping over the remaining half, despite accounting for over 90% of units shipped.

Yeah, Apple is losing. Apple's not participating in the race to the bottom, instead letting Dell, HP, Acer, HTC, Samsung, LG, Nokia compete against each other driving their margins and profits down.

Apple in 10 years? Well, I don't know. Just like I don't know where Microsoft willb e in 10 years. Or what Android will be in 10 years. Hell, in the past 10 years, we saw the rise and fall of PalmOS, and the rise and fall of Windows Mobile. Symbian's a bit longer lived. Android and iOS may not even exist in the next 5 years.

Re:Apple vs. Android. (3, Funny)

Jartan (219704) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278840)

Apple's mistake the first time around was sacrificing software sales to spur high margin hardware sales. That was a huge mistake because as Microsoft proved the real money was in the software. This time though the opponent is giving away their software for free and there's no way iOS can beat that for market share. Even if Apple did open iOS to other phones it wouldn't help. The whole locked platform/developer exclusion is just pure idiocy though. That part isn't making them any money at all.

Misquoted sure-but lots seem jealous of Android (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278700)

He was misquoted I'm sure and I doubt he intended to say that Android was better in anyway- if people took it at that. However I think those who are saying things like android is crap are failing to see the light. "Crap" is subjective. What is crap to you may be gold to others. I want a FREE phone for instance- not one locked into Apple's toyland. A locked down POS that becomes obsolete overnight sucks. iOS is that POS. And you say it works, but not to my parents, not to the average consumer. They can't handle the change. If it has to change it should be gradual and more frequent like with Ubuntu. Android actually works for them. The average consumer can't get Apple's products to work despite the markets success in certain niche areas. Yea- young people pick it up. Sometimes. Have you ever tried teaching an old person to use an iPod? It doesn't happen. Even 20 year olds have trouble. I can't tell you how many people I've seen throw away the iPod for a simple audio player or even a regular cell phone which was by all means NOT simple because certain features like 'USB mass storage' having to be enabled and not known to the user and screens that worked no better (even if they had better (despite still being proprietary) user interfaces). Yea. Simple people. Apple complicates things and that isn't good for users. They may be hip and cool, but in the real world it doesn't work. Apple can make money- but that doesn't mean it works. Just like Microsoft Windows fails miserably too. Comparisons being made Android works great and Apple has nothing on it that make me or any other sane user switch who actually looks into the product. Kids are Apple's market who fail to see beyond the box's artwork and folks with money who too don't seem to care enough because well- they'll just buy another if it doesn't work out. That's about where and why Apple has got it made. If it wasn't for that Apple wouldn't have made the money it's made. Money is made by selling to the masses not niche markets. Somehow Apple did a damm good job of monopolising certain very big niche markets though. Which in retrospect where the entire market (audio players are 'youth' product).

Re:Misquoted sure-but lots seem jealous of Android (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34278902)

I've excreted turds with more impressive composure.

Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278788)

Who cares, really, whether a phone is running Android or iOS or Symbian or Wee-Go or whatever embedded OS?

The underlying OS is irrelevant.

It's the user interface that counts. That and only that. The underlying OS just has to be good enough, that's all. That's what made Windows win over other OSes. And that's what's making iOS so popular at the moment in the phone world.

Most people don't care which OS it's really running. They care what you can do with it, and how easy this can be done. That's it, and that's all about it.

In case of phones the underlying hardware even doesn't matter much any more, except maybe for the screen (integral to the user interface of course). Current phones are mainly using ARM based processors, but for the end user it could have been anything. It could have been an Intel or AMD as far as they are concerned. Oh well they'd complain about battery life probably. And for the rest buyers tend to look at stuff like built-in bluetooth, GPS, camera - those parts "are there" or "are not there", no-one knows or really cares about the maker of those parts, as long as it works.

And as soon as a phone builder comes out with a phone that looks at least as good as an iPhone, that has a user interface that is more responsive and easier to use, then they may eat the iPhone's lunch. And that's got nothing to do with which OS they're running from the user's pov. We geeks know that it will be Android due to its open source nature, but there may be other candidates out there as well.

And Apple had better be careful not to get too arrogant. They're now on top of the game, but the mobile phone market is moving way faster than the personal computer market. On average people buy a new phone every six months (and no I don't make up that number, it's widely reported in the newspapers and other sources), and they expect to find interesting new models by then, while a personal computer or laptop is replaced only every three years or so, and even then buyers are mainly looking at hardware specs over software features.

Re:Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (1)

overtly_demure (1024363) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278890)

On average people buy a new phone every six months

I sincerely hope that's not true. That would be unconscionably wasteful. And for what? Incremental improvements in one frivolous function or other? Or do they just not last more than six months? It sounds a bit dubious, given that the contract periods are typically at least a year long.

Re:Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (3, Interesting)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 3 years ago | (#34278924)

You're from US?

Welcome to the free world - over here (Hong Kong) we have plans, usually no contracts. Discounts on phones (for those who opt for it) are given in the form of pre-payment and discount later on your monthly bills.

Phones and plans are not much related. Sim cards are freely exchangeable, and you can switch easily between carriers (it takes only a few days to port over your number).

And yes Hong Kong people are known to buy, on average, a new phone every six months. Crazy I agree, but that's the reality. After all, you don't want to be seen with the previous generation iPhone, do you?

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