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Wii 2 Unlikely For 2011, Maybe In 2012

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the still-a-few-more-old-franchises-to-resurrect dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "As discussed on Slashdot earlier this year, the lack of a next-generation Wii may be hurting Nintendo. That doesn't seem to concern the company's US chief, Reggie Fils-Aime, who said this week that a Wii 2 might not appear until 2012. He wants to sell a few million more consoles before a successor is launched. So, no Wii 2 for 2010 or 2011 — meanwhile, the PS3 and Xbox consoles get motion control support and other content enhancements. What does that mean for the success of Nintendo's gaming console business? Has the innovator been out-innovated due to a sluggish product roadmap?"

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One Word (0)

corychristison (951993) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280314)

Has the innovator been out-innovated due to a sluggish product roadmap?

Yes.

Re:One Word (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280362)

Ok. Great. Now, how about a few more words, because the one doesn't really help much.

Re:One Word (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280868)

the Wii was cool but the problem is that it's processing power is the slowest of the bunch. i've read that MS had to gimp Kinect a little because it requires a lot of CPU power. Nintendo is going to have come up with something else or put some processing power in their next console.

Re:One Word (1)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281020)

The original Kinect did its processing in hardware, IIRC. I believe that they cut that out due to the cost of it all. Check out the Open Kinect group on Google Groups; there's a good bit of information to be found, and more in the IRC chatroom.

Re:One Word (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281400)

how about a few more words

Red
Climb
Prestige
Speaker
Picture

Re:One Word (1, Insightful)

EdZ (755139) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280472)

No. The Wii's motion controls were evolutionary, not revolutionary. There was no innovation in the first place, just good marketing. Same with the ipod: not the first portable mp3 player by a long stretch, but the first with widespread marketing of the SHINY NEW THING.

Revolution (5, Interesting)

ranulf (182665) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280510)

The Wii's motion controls were evolutionary, not revolutionary.

Nintendo obviously believed the motion controls were revolutionary - the Wii codename was revolution. Look inside the battery compartment of the Wiimote and you'll still see the code RVL-003.

In any case, it did revolutionise gaming input in a tangible way and brought a whole new demographic into gaming as a result.

Re:Revolution (3, Insightful)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280596)

Nintendo obviously believed the motion controls were revolutionary - the Wii codename was revolution. Look inside the battery compartment of the Wiimote and you'll still see the code RVL-003.

In any case, it did revolutionise gaming input in a tangible way and brought a whole new demographic into gaming as a result.

In the collective Slashdot mind, once you get used to something, it never was revolutionary.

For example, Wii's controllers aren't revolutionary, we had those for a long time (where??).

Another example: iPhone was never revolutionary, we always had a lot of multitouch phones with a full browser, easy to install apps, and features that even mere mortals can figure out (which ones??).

It's best to ignore the echo chamber, they never learn.

Re:Revolution (2, Interesting)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280930)

"It's best to ignore the echo chamber, they never learn."

It's not that the Wii was a revolution it was that most people got it for Wii sports and Wii fit. The original NES pad was more simple then the Wii mote.

The Wii has had a profitable run, but a profitable run does not mean bad things are not happening to the gaming market, the lack of games on the Wii due to not having competitive hardware power hurt its gaming library for cross platform games. Nintendo may have been profitable, but in the eyes of true gamers many of us vacated to the Xbox 360 and PS3 since once again The Wii ended up being like the gamecube, except this time the games over all are crappier and of lower quality then in the gamecube with the exception of Galaxy 1+2 era.

All of Nintendo's properties this era have been disappointing, from Metroid Other M, to Twilight princess. You can feel Nintendo is losing it's Mojo for anyone who has been playing the last 20+ years of gaming.

Gaming is about the games, not the hardware, and we have yet to see whether Wii "market expansion" means there are more gamers for developers to make money off of or if they just end up playing Wii sports / Wii fit and ignore most everything else.

Re:Revolution (3, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280974)

iPhone was never revolutionary, we always had a lot of multitouch phones with a full browser, easy to install apps, and features that even mere mortals can figure out (which ones??).

Aside from the multitouch phone, that describes pretty much any Nokia smartphone in the last 5 years.

Full browser: they included Opera, then switched to a WebKit-based browser a bit before the iPhone was released (you realise that the work to make WebKit run in something with as little memory as an iPhone was done by Nokia, right?).

Easy to install apps? Sure, just copy it across and hit install. Can be accomplished via bluetooth (select the file, hit 'send to device' on your computer - no wires), by copying it to an SD card, or by copying it via the supplied USB cable. No iTunes store, but no harder than installing an app on Windows.

Features that mere mortals can figure out? Kind of vague, but syncing the address book and calendar is a one-click operation (via bluetooth, no cable required, unlike the iPhone) from my Mac, and apparently it's similarly simple under Windows. Calling and SMS are pretty simple to use. The music player is a single button away, and integrates with the FM radio if you get bored with your own music. Note taking is pretty easy too.

Multitouch was new, although Apple's gesture interface had been demonstrated almost a decade earlier by in academia and even in TED talks by the people who actually invented it. Capacitive touch screens were not invented by Apple, and they weren't cheap enough to use in a phone until around the time of the iPhone launch, so they'd probably have shown up soon without the iPhone.

That's not to say that the iPhone isn't a good implementation (largely a good implementation of other people's ideas, but you can't have everything), but calling it revolutionary is pure fanboyism.

Re:Revolution (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281148)

are you seriously this retarded or are you trying to be a confusing troll?
 
I didn't even read your whole post because you sound like such a fucking idiot from the first two sentences.
 
He isn't a fanboy, but you are definitely a narcissistic dumbass.

Re:Revolution (1)

lidocaineus (661282) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281226)

Multitouch new? I suggest you look at where Apple got multitouch to begin with.

Re:Revolution (4, Insightful)

John Betonschaar (178617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281702)

Aside from the multitouch phone, that describes pretty much any Nokia smartphone in the last 5 years.

Wait, are you using Nokia as an example of 'great smartphones we had before the iPhone was released'? Nokia, of all cellphone manufacturs?? You mean NOKIA, which is now struggling to stay relevant because they didn't have a single real touchscreen smartphone worth a dime until the N900 came along? Nokia, who only introduced their first decent touchscreen phone less than two years ago?

That's hilarious... I've owned at least 6 Nokia phones over the last 10 year, and if there is ANY phone brand that has missed the smartphone boat completely, it's Nokia. Their dumbphones and feature phones are great and I loved them, but please, if Nokia is what you first think of when someone takes the first iPhone as the benchmark for all later smartphones, you either don't know Nokia, or you don't know the iPhone. The last Nokia I bought was a 5800, which is only 1 or 1.5 years old, and while it was a pretty decent phone for calling and texting, it can't hold a candle to even the first generation iPhone. The browser was near-unusable (slow, buggy, didn't render many sites properly), the touchscreen was pretty unresponsive (resistive) and there were almost no applications available that used the touchscreen properly (which wasn't surprising because it was the first S60r5 phone, which was the first symbian version to even support touchscreens in the first place).

I have to concur with the PP, people get used to revolutionary products so fast they assume there was nothing revolutionary about it in the first place. The iPhone is a good example, but there are many more.

Re:Revolution (4, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281132)

For example, Wii's controllers aren't revolutionary, we had those for a long time (where??).

Arcades. The Wii was a direct outgrowth of similar devices in arcades.

Another example: iPhone was never revolutionary, we always had a lot of multitouch phones with a full browser, easy to install apps, and features that even mere mortals can figure out (which ones??).

Huh? Who said we had multitouch phones? All you have to do is add that to your list to suddenly exclude all other phones, while at the same time implying that none of these other phones have the other characteristics you have on your list. Apple did not invent smartphones.

Re:Revolution (1)

nomorecwrd (1193329) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281568)

mmm
I agree with you in the controllers. We had all the tech, but no one glued it together the way Nintendo did.

On the other hand GP was talking about the iPod, not the iPhone. Today almost everywhere people talk about iPod as a generic term referring to mp3 players. Truth is, the iPod came out years after consumer - portable - mp3 players where popular. That's good Marketing!

Re:Revolution (1)

John Betonschaar (178617) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281750)

Wasn't the 1st gen iPod also the first MP3 player with a HDD, the first player that could store GB's of music, and the first player that had a graphical LCD with a graphical user interface?

Not trying to troll or start a flamewar, I just can't remember there was anything remotely like the first iPod when it was brand new.

Re:Revolution (1, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280812)

When Wii was released /. and other forums said "The Wii will fail. Nobody wants gimmicky motion controls or a measly 480p resolution. The Wii will end-up in 2nd place just like the Gamecube, while Sony or microsoft take the top spot." - So I consider it revolutionary if only because Nintendo (and some fanboys) was the only 1 who believed it would succeed. Everyone else thought motion control was a dumb idea.

As for the Wii Part 2: I think if Nintendo released it now, they run the risk that it could end-up like the N64... a flop after a major success. They are wise to keep the WII past its normal five-year-span, just as they did with the NES.

Besides if they released it now, what would be customers motives to buy it? Just to jump from 480p to 1080p? Not very convincing.

Re:One Word (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280490)

Why would they bother? Microsoft and Sony are skipping a new generation of consol in favor of adding motion control to existing systems. Even with a year's delay,Nintendo will beat Microsoft and Sony to the next generation console. They still have good motion control and can draw from the Wii as well as Kinect for a new generation. Nintendo is in excellent shape.

What Wii, GBC, and PSP-3000 have in common (-1, Flamebait)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280684)

Even with a year's delay,Nintendo will beat Microsoft and Sony to the next generation console.

No, Microsoft and Sony beat Nintendo to the next-generation console while Nintendo released an updated GameCube. Wii is to GameCube as Game Boy Color is to Game Boy or PSP-3000 is to PSP-1000: much the same hardware with higher clock speed, more RAM, and some new I/O.

Re:What Wii, GBC, and PSP-3000 have in common (1)

Uranium-238 (1586465) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280850)

I distinctly remember the GBC having better hardware than the GB but maybe I'm mistake. In anycase the "next-gen" nintendo console will be released when it makes sense to release it, and then Microsoft and Sony will have to bring something new out, whether its just more exppansions for the PS3/360. I have always been a Nintendo fan and I think they're doing more than fine, even if it is 2 years until the next console they release. On a side note I bought my Wii not for the cutting edge graphics (ha-ha) or the amazing games, but for the virtual console and amazing backwards compatability that at least Sony completely missed out.

GB and GBC compared (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280932)

I distinctly remember the GBC having better hardware than the GB but maybe I'm mistake.

Not really:

  • GB: 4.2 MHz 8080-family CPU, 8 KiB RAM, 8 KiB VRAM, 2 non-overlapping planes and 40 8x16-pixel sprites with 4 grays per tile, fixed-function DMA unit.
  • GBC: 8.4 MHz 8080-family CPU, 32 KiB RAM, 16 KiB VRAM, nearly identical display model with color palette with 4 colors per tile, more general DMA unit.

That's evolutionary, not revolutionary. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the jump from GBC to GBA, which was arguably bigger than the jump from NES to Super NES?

I have always been a Nintendo fan

Nintendo lost me when it rejected Bob's Game, sued anyone and everyone in the DS flash card business, and released Wii Menu 4.2 and 4.3, rather than copying Microsoft's XNA Creators Club like Apple did.

One word? How about one character? (2, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280612)

Had they called their current console "Wi" instead of "Wii" they could have just tacked that single 'i' for the 2.0 version instead of adding an entire '2' and thus rising the length of the console's name to 4 characters.
Just think of the money they could have saved in marketing by saving all that ink, commercial time, reusing old characters and such.
Not to mention all that accumulated saving down the road with Wii3 (Wiii) and Wii4 (WiW).

They must be kicking themselves in the ass right now for being so shortsighted.

Re:One word? How about one character? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280762)

wiw?

wow!

btw... wiv.

Re:One Word (5, Insightful)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280614)

I disagree.

As far as Move goes, I don't see that as out-innovating the Wii. From my point of view, the PS3 is several years more advanced than the Wii (in both the base hardware and the motion control hardware), they've had years more of research to benefit from (both their own research and what others in the industry and academia have researched and demonstrated), they have the benefit several years of sitting back and learning from the Wii's mistakes and shortcomings, and with all of that benefit they've managed to brute force a solutions that is only slightly more capable than the Wii, and looks stupid and inelegant in the process.

As far as Kinect goes, I have a lot of respect for what they've done there. Rather than just tracking the position of some sex-toy-looking orbs, it actually analyzes the scene to extract skeletal structure information from the players movement. It's quite technologically advanced. Very impressive in the way it operates and the capabilities it provides. Yet the one thing that REALLY bugs me about it is that it is a purely controller-less design. Being able to play controller-less is pretty cool, but a lot of games will suffer or be impractical without buttons to press. Using an existing controller 2-handed kind of defeats the purpose of Kinect's advanced capabilities, the existing 360 controllers aren't conducive to single-hand use, and releasing a future add-on-controller-for-the-add-on-kinect is just completely out of the question.

So no, I don't really feel that the Wii has been out-innovated much. Move is pretty pathetic and uninspired considering how much later it came than the Wii, and Kinect is really impressive and innovative in ways but has a fatal flaw. I think it will take until the next generation before someone truly outdoes the Wii (when they can combine the Kinect's sensor technology with the Wii/Move controller system)

Re:One Word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281284)

The XBOX 360 has a single handed controller. It's existed for quite a long time now, and it's an official Microsoft accessory. It's rarely used for anything except the Scene it! games, but that could change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Button_Controller#Big_Button_Pad

Re:One Word (1)

Eraesr (1629799) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280668)

Analysts are looking as far ahead as 2014 for XBox Kinnect [eurogamer.net] . Sony has also said that there's 10 years of life in PS3 [fastcompany.com] . So if Nintendo comes with a new concept that is as groundbreaking as Wii (in terms of tech and/or marketing) in 2012 then they sure as hell haven't been outpaced by either Microsoft or Sony.

One Word and it's NO... (2, Insightful)

beh (4759) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280836)

There have been 'improvements' on what Nintendo did - but I wouldn't really call yet another motion sensor an 'innovation'. (Think how many MSFT 'innovations' you just yawned at, as they were things that existed elsewhere long ago).

Nintendo innovated the console market by bringing those controllers.

It was Sony/Microsoft who jumped on it later - to claw back marketshare lost to Nintendo.

In much the same way - in the phone world, the iPhone was the innovation. There is virtually no new phone that doesn't just try and piggy back on the path paved by the iPhone. Even if there are Android phones that have more CPU power, cheaper, ... They weren't the innovators. Someone else (at Apple) had the big idea on how to revolutionize the market, all the others came years later - then touting other features.

Take it - the fact that Android was multitasking before the iPhone wasn't as much of an 'innovation', as the iPhone itself was to any phone preceeding it.

The über-powerful PS3 or XBox 360 primarily introduced newer hardware - something that was expected to happen - everyone does it.

The Wii brought something new, something unexpected to the market - hence THEY were the innovators, and even if they aren't on the forefront now - those that are are 'optimisers' at best, but not innovators, not pioneers, not people trying something NEW.

Re:One Word (1)

Predathar (658076) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280844)

I think you meant to say, "Oui".

Re:One Word (1)

Shanrak (1037504) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280952)

More than one word: Not really. Sony is busy working on a slightly better version of what the Wii came out with years ago, and Microsoft's Kinect (although it has some pretty cool applications outside of gaming) is targeting a demographic that the Wii has pretty much saturated over the past few years. In the mean time, Nintendo has quietly brought out a 3D hand-held that does not require special glasses to play on.

The way I see it, Nintendo is just hedging their bets on being the first to heavily embrace the 3D market, I would not be surprised if the Wii 2 came out with 3D support at all, and once again, Sony and Microsoft will have to play catchup (assuming 3D takes off).

Re:One Word (4, Insightful)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280964)

Has the innovator been out-innovated due to a sluggish product roadmap?

Counterpoint:

No.

Nintendo pretty much has a different market segment of casual gamers. Younger kids who are into the franchise (Pokemon, Mario, etc. and other exclusives are all over the elementary schools... never heard anyone there ever mention Halo or even Final Fantasy). Kids don't care about system specs... hell, they won't even watch TV if it's not a cartoon, so I surmise they actually expect the cartoony "8-bit look" as a sign that a game is actually "for them".

Finally, the hardcore gamers will have a Wii anyway just for the heck of it.

Nintendo can milk this cow, the Wii teat, for a while longer. Then once publishers actually start releasing interesting games for the PS3 and Kinect motion controls, they can come out with the next big thing out of cycle.

I surmise it would be some kind of augmented reality thing, so they can sell more cheap widgets with each game, that the kids will bring to school and lose and have to be replaced.

Dead economy (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280316)

means no new consoles. Duh. When things pick up THEN I'd expect a new console.

Re:Dead economy (3, Funny)

Seriousity (1441391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280520)

Ya, at this rate it won't be released until Dec 20. 2012, and we'll only get one day to play it.

But that, my brother, will be one glorious day.

Re:Dead economy (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280644)

means no new consoles. Duh. When things pick up THEN I'd expect a new console.

I suspect they have also more up their sleeves than just 'better motion controllers' and 'better resolution'.
If it was just "Wii2" it would be out by now.

frist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280326)

frist

Understandable (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280334)

The Wii only started losing steam this past year, and they still sell boatloads of them every month. Granted, it's a much smaller boat than it was before, but they are still moving units. Even though the current generation of consoles are starting to directly impact [livingwithanerd.com] the potential complexity of games, they still have a bit of life left in them...Wii included. Here's to hoping that Nintendo focuses more on the hardware this time. Don't get me wrong, there have been some amazing games released for the Wii (Muramasa: The Demon Blade being one of the better ones), but I'd like to see more emphasis on gaming prowess rather than a focus on the "general" market.

Not that I expect that to happen; Nintendo is a business, after all...

Re:Understandable (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280664)

But you can now buy them in COLORS!!!!!!!

My old nasty White wii is going to be replaced with a REd wii...

Oh buy all new red controllers, and new accessories to match!

Re:Understandable (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281110)

I know people that are going to buy the black one once they get their ponus to match their xbox 360 and ps3

Real Soon Now (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280360)

That's what they really meant to say. Or actually, "I know the Wii was interesting but now out-of-date, but don't lose your loyalty to Nintendo."

Re:Real Soon Now (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280370)

All of the consoles are out of date, from a hardware perspective...each new multiplatform game that gets released just makes the console-PC divide more stark.

Re:Real Soon Now (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280940)

It's the nature of the console market to be outdated the day they are released.
They require parts that are relatively reliable and mass-produced and need a stable hardware spec well before the release date.
OTOH, when I buy a game for X360, I'm pretty sure it'll work without problems on my X360. Not so much of a certainty when buying a PC game.

Re:Real Soon Now (0)

Jarnin (925269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280610)

Out of date? The Wii was considered "low-tech" compared to all other consoles on the market when it came out in 2009. The real innovation was the controller. But seriously, why would Nintento want to come out with a Wii successor so soon? Since when is 3 years between consoles considered a generation?

1985: NES
1991: SNES
1996: N64
2002: GameCube
2009: Wii

So with an average span of 6 years between generations, why are they changing it up to 3 years?

Re:Real Soon Now (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280696)

I have NO idea how you got modded insightful.

The Wii was released in 2006, not 2009 [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Real Soon Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280806)

And his Gamecube date is a year late too.

Re:Real Soon Now (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280852)

I gave him a pass on that, just in case he's in Europe. For North America though, correct, it's a year off.

Re:Real Soon Now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280718)

The Wii was considered "low-tech" compared to all other consoles on the market when it came out in 2009.

Uhhh..you've turned your 6 upside down.

In what country? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280872)

2009: Wii

In what country? Wii didn't come out in Hong Kong and China until 2009, but it was out three years earlier in most of the western industrialized world. I couldn't tell from your Homepage or Journal because you haven't provided any. I just checked your posting history, and comments such as this [slashdot.org] , this [slashdot.org] , and this [slashdot.org] that you're at least familiar with the U.S. market.

I suspect he may be misleading the public (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280384)

Nintendo has been raking in a metric buttload of cash off of the Wii.

Remember the fact that the Wii *hardware* made a profit from day 1, while the PS3 and the 360 sold at a loss for many many years.

What have they been doing with all that cash? R&D of course. Do you actually think Nintendo is just sitting around on their hands? They are not stupid.

In all likelihood they are just laughing their butts off at Sony and Microsoft pushing over themselves playing catch-up, meanwhile sitting on some revolutionary new console that will be surprise announced in the summer to come out next Xmas.

Re:I suspect he may be misleading the public (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280424)

They already surprise-announced a revolutionary new console*, it's the 3DS. They won't want to split their marketing efforts between two new machines at once. The Wii's more likely to be in line for a soft relaunch with a lot of Motionplus titles and a big push on online support, not a replacement.

*For sufficiently small values of revolutionary.

Re:I suspect he may be misleading the public (2, Interesting)

jappleng (1805148) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280528)

What was it? The R&D department for the Wii was about 5-7 people and their system was based off old technology slapped on a Gamecube. I'm not dismissing the success of the Wii, but perhaps their R&D is not for hardware, but for marketing. The casual gamer is a goldmine, that's what makes Nintendo so successful.

Re:I suspect he may be misleading the public (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280830)

I was under the impression that their reasons for sticking with the older hardware had nothing to do with keeping the price down, but rather a way to keep things more familiar for developers. Since they were going to have to be learning an entirely new control scheme, Nintendo didn't want devs to have to deal with complex new hardware as well ("hardware" independent of the control mechanisms, obviously.) Now that developers (kind of) have a handle on the motion controls, Nintendo can give them more powerful innards to work with.

Standard "this is only my opinion, I have no basis for any of it" boilerplate applies.

Re:I suspect he may be misleading the public (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280886)

i'm sure that money and the prospect of massive bonuses had nothing to do with it. the execs are like starfleet officers, everything is done for the good of the federation

Re:I suspect he may be misleading the public (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281096)

I can't tell if you are serious or sarcastic, but for the record:

Iwata makes $770K ($2.1M with possible bonuses). Miyamoto earns under $700K ($1.4M with possible bonuses). The other 4 top guys earn around $500K ($1.2M to $1.6M with bonuses). Those incomes are tiny, both when compared to other companies in their industry, and considering the billions in profit the company makes ($2.43 billion last year, $2.99 billion the year before, and those are actual profits, not just revenue).

Informal poll. (2, Funny)

Luke727 (547923) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280390)

Motion gaming sucks. Mod up if you agree, down if you disagree.

Re:Informal poll. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280542)

how do you mod +1 true?

Re:Informal poll. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280778)

AC wrote:

how do you mod +1 true?

First you have to log in.

Then, as far as I can tell from the FAQ [slashdot.org] , max your karma to Excellent and keep it near the cap for a year. After that are some steps that I don't understand; I've never had mod points despite sitting at the cap for years. Once you have mod points, use "Insightful".

Re:Informal poll. (1)

pieisgood (841871) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281334)

Sorry, I was on the school network and forgot to login. At the time it was easier to post AC. Since I am replying I can't mod anymore but I guess the comment would have made more sense/been funnier had I posted using my account.

I've been here for a few years and I get mod points just about every week. They also gave the option to disable ads, which is cool. There is something about modding "+1 insightful" on /. though.... from my perspective it usually means "I agree with you".

blah blah blah... good post though, at least SOMEONE cares about AC.

Re:Informal poll. (1)

hort_wort (1401963) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280822)

I'm still wanting direct thought control. It'd be worth the long initial training session to sit back and nom cheetos while gaming. Who games to develop hand/eye coordination anyway?

The easter eggs would be really fun. They could have your character stop and take a long swig of a drink if you think about being thirsty and such.

Re:Informal poll. (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281060)

No fair! You biased the result with humour!

Has the innovator been out-innovated...? (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280392)

Has the innovator been out-innovated due to a sluggish product roadmap?

Erm, that depends. If "out-innovated" means "finally caught up to with motion-control designs" (albeit ones that either look stupid or probably require much bigger rooms, like the PS2 EyeToy used to) then yes. If "out-innovated" keeps its old definition of "now have a smaller share of original features that they implemented first and are seen as lacking because of it" then I wouldn't be so sure.

wii 2? (2, Funny)

mug funky (910186) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280408)

nintendo should go roman and call it the wiiii

Re:wii 2? (4, Funny)

jappleng (1805148) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280536)

Or they should go retro and call it the WiiNES. Anyone want to play with my WiiNES?

Re:wii 2? (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281598)

Or just double the bit width and call it Wii64...

Re:wii 2? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280670)

nintendo should go roman and call it the wiiii

Surely Wiv. Actually, that's UK Sarf East mongspeak for "with", so it's thematically consistent with "wii".

I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (2, Funny)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280432)

Unless they can come up with something very new, and very original, and something that's a lot better than just an incremental improvement to their current system, I don't think they are going to be a serious competitor in the industry after the next generation of consoles has run its course.

What makes it even worse is that Nintendo is probably going to have to depend heavily on backward compatibility in their next generation console, which limits the directions they can take with it.

This, I think, is it for them. I think they might be down and out for the count.

I remember when Atari was king of the consoles with the 2600... but they didn't innovate quickly enough as competitors came out either.

Re:I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (1)

Shirakawasuna (1253648) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280482)

Except that Nintendo is raking in large fields of cash. It's arguably the most successful console of this generation, even though it disappoints a lot of gamers.

Re:I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (5, Informative)

Chaotic222 (1114981) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280884)

It's not arguably the most successful console this generation. It flat out is the most successful console this generation by any reasonable metric. The Wii has practically sold more units than the PS3 and 360 combined. It dominates software sales, too. And unlike the PS3 and 360, the Wii was selling for a profit from day 1, meaning Nintendo has been making money off it from day 1. The only console that could reasonably compete with it in terms of "success" would be the DS. Nintendo is in an amazing position right now.

Re:I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281210)

Nintendo doesn't HAVE a 7th generation console, they have TWO 6th gen's, but one of them didn't come out until 2006...(we're still awaiting an actual 7th gen console from them... I hear, perhaps in 2012...)

I have no idea why people insist that identifying which "Generation" a console is allocated to is based strictly upon the approximate date of the release of the device. It's a meaningless concept. In the REST of the computing world, generations are identified by successive and marked improvements in hardware and software development. The Wii represents NEITHER of these things. It was produced in the mid-2000's, using hardware from the late-90's... *yawn*... But because it cost about half of what ACTUAL 7th gen consoles did at release, boatloads of ppl who don't know their technological head from their arsehole bought one thinking "yay, I got a 7th gen console for $129!"... If Intel or AMD brought a new processor to market that wasn't a substantial improvement over its predecessor, and then marketted it as being the "next generation"... people would scoff and keep buying the existing chips. Unfortunately, the millions of "Walmart Shoppers" that propped up Nintendo's last console would probably also rush out and buy those chips en masse as well...

So, if Nintendo releases a "Wii 2" in the next couple of years, it will, in all liklihood be based on hardware that was considered "new" in 2008, and it will finally have a machine worthy of comparison with the 360 / PS/3, as a TRUE 7th gen console... of course, that'll only be 6+ years after the rest of the world got their 7th gens up and running, but at least it will almost certainly arrive before actual 8th gen consoles start cropping up..

In summary, Nintendo, on it's second attempt, has the best, (and possibly best-selling, although there have been a freakin ton of PS/2's sold), SIXTH generation console, but it took them until 2006 to bring to it market.

-AC

Re:I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281546)

So, Nintendo releases a 6th gen console against two 7th gen consoles (and one with a 1-year head-start) and kicks the crap out of them. Isn't that sadder for Sony and M$ than just considering it part of the 7th gen?

Re:I don't expect Nintendo to recover.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281656)

Apparently you missed the whole part wrt all the "Wallmart Shopper" retards who bought a 6th gen console that was deceivingly marketted as a 7th-gen at a deeply discounted price-point and who were too techno-illiterate to even know they were being had...

Ya Wii sold a massive number of fraudulently marketted pieces of crap... mostly to people who wouldn't know 7th gen tech from 3rd gen tech if you drew them a map and probably afforded it by cashing in the empties from out behind the trailer... THAT STILL doesn't make the Wii a true 7th gen console, never has, never will.

Uhhh (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281186)

A coupla things come to mind here. First, this infographic shows [1up.com] as of May, the Wii is monstrously successful. It's been profitable from day one. Nintendo did just release their first six-month net loss in seven years and are predicting falling revenues as Wii sales stall but they've been stockpiling cash for years. So while they do have an issue to address there I think they've got a handle on it.

Second, and more importantly, mobile gaming is where the industry is heading. And guess who has a commanding lead in that market space? That's right, Nintendo. They sell more mobile/handheld gaming devices than anybody else in the world. The only current competition they even have is Apple as more and more people want to play games on their iPhones and to a lesser extent the Android platform (but while that benefits Google it doesn't make them so much of a direct competitor to Nintendo as Apple is). Yes, I've played around with a PSP and think they're okay but the market is not going for them and Sony has no clue what the mobile market wants.

Anyway, does Nintendo need to not rest on its laurels and drop the price of the Wii or take some kind of action to reinvigorate the product line? Yes. Will they? Most likely. Will it work? Probably...but no way to be certain.

And do they need to get a more capable game console on the market soon? I think so. But I also think it's BS that they're not planning on that already. The Wii was available to purchase in the US exactly 4 years ago today. The GameCube 5 yrs before that. The Nintendo 64 was 5 yrs before that. The SNES was a little over 5 yrs before that.

I'd be surprised if there's not a Wii 2 or whatever by the 2011 Christmas shopping season. But even if there's not, I'd be hard pressed to say Nintendo's down for the count. They've been around longer than any other game company. And they're surprisingly well managed.

This is Trolling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280456)

But shouldn't we be trying to raise the bar on the games that get made before we start making even more new consoles?

How many decent game releases did 2011 see? Not very many. But hey! We've got motion capture for the Xbox now!

We don't need more innovation in gaming. We need game developers that actually care about making good games, like we had in the old days. Problem is, awful games can still sell well with the general public, so the extra effort isn't worth it.

Re:This is Trolling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280486)

How many decent game releases did 2011 see? Not very many.

Yea, 2011 was a terrible year for games, I don't remember a single decent game coming out. Especially compared to 2010, which was a great fucking year for games.

Another week ... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280460)

... another rumor of Nintendo's impending collapse. Just because the two main competitors - neither of whom have matched the Wii sales numbers with their latest consoles - have released motion controls, is not enough to claim that Nintendo will be gone next week. Neither the PS3 nor the XBox 360 controls have been out long enough to have any sense of how often they will be implemented in upcoming games.

Limited markets... (3, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280474)

Right now the Kinect is $200 and the PS3 Motion is $100 plus $70/controller according to Amazon. So just to add motion control to the 360, you have to shell out what you would for a new Wii. You can get a Wii used from Gamestop with a decent warranty for $120. And browsing the Kinect games, they look like the same stuff available on the Wii: some Sonic knock-offs, the EA exercise stuff, Deca Sports... Unless the Kinect and Motion can put out some must-have titles, people who don't already own a 360 or PS3 will likely opt for the Wii.

Re:Limited markets... (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280554)

My Wii sits unused (hardy har har) while I occasionally use my 360. The Wii turned out to be a gimmick. Odds are Kinect will be the same, and it will sell few games, and we'll be over motion detection for another couple generations.

I keep hoping someone will come up with a cheap eyetap so we can get into reality overlay gaming. I want more motivation to go outside. I'm imagining some kind of multiplayer wizard battle game, that's something you could meaningfully do without endangering people.

Re:Limited markets... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280568)

We don't own any consoles, but am looking to get our first for Christmas. I was thinking about the Wii+WiiFit since I thought it more family friendly. I was however concerned whether I'd regret being limited to more family friendly titles once the kids were in bed.

However after seeing the Kinect, I'm now changing my mind towards 360+Kinect. Any cost difference doesn't bother me that much, however if my choice requires me to extend my living room, the cost of doing that may worry me more... :)

Re:Limited markets... (2, Interesting)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280998)

Aren't you more likely to need to extend the living room if you go with the Kinect? The optimal distance from the sensor is 6' for single player, 8' for two player (and that's not including the space you need to leave around yourself so you don't bump into things). I think that will be the single biggest issue with Kinect - the technology seems great and there is definitely potential there if it works as promises, but particularly here in Europe, just having the physical space to play is a problem.

Re:Limited markets... (2, Informative)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280746)

Kinnect is a $150 ... not the two hundred as you claim. And you can always pick one up used from ebay if you like. And I'm guessing the majority of Kinnect purchasers already own the XBox. That said, having recently played the Kinnect I will say that I was underwhelmed. I found the lag to be bothersome and the games I played were forgettable. The voice navigation just sucked often requiring us to pick up the controller to actually do what we wanted to do. I will say it was a blast watching the kids play it. They loved it so it may turn out to be a a fun family thing down the line but for now, I'm sticking to Rock Band for my group activities.

This most disturbing thing about the Kinnect is the data mining potential as noted by a MS exec [engadget.com] . Seriously ... if I had one, I would keep it unplugged when I wasn't playing a game.

Re:Limited markets... (3, Informative)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280958)

I just looked up the price on Amazon. According to them, the only Kinect hardware I see is Kinect Sensor with Kinect Adventures [amazon.com] for $197. Pardon my ignorance if that's more than retail. I really don't know.

Re:Limited markets... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281438)

Yeah, that's from a 3rd party seller on amazon. Amazon itself is out of stock, so they don't show their price. The MSRP is actually $149.99, and that's what the major retailers (Amazon, Target, Best Buy, Walmart, etc) have been selling it for (with some of them offering occasional discounts below that price) when they actually have them in stock.

Re:Limited markets... (5, Insightful)

cbope (130292) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280880)

Exactly. I'd say it's more of a case of the competitors closing a gap on the Wii, while the Wii is still significantly cheaper than either.

Plus you have to consider that since every single Wii ever sold has motion control out of the box, every single game can be developed with motion control as a standard feature. For the PS3 and Xbox... developers have to consider developing games for consoles that may or MAY NOT have motion control capabilities. Remember folks, this is an EXTRA COST option on PS3 and Xbox... it means you can't take it for granted that motion control is available. As a developer you have to support both non-motion control and motion control controller interfaces for your games on those platforms.

From a dev point of view I'd much rather develop for the Wii than to have to take this into account. For the Xbox and PS3, the early adopters have already bought the "upgrades"... where does the growth then come from now that the honeymoon is over? I'd be interested to see the installed-base numbers of consoles vs. motion control devices sold separately. Probably not a pretty picture.

Re:Limited markets... (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281364)

Read the article. All WII has going for it is the motion control. NO HD. No content playback system. Yesterday's technology. Xbox and PS3 are in position to over-take the WII because they've added the motion control. Over-time the prices will drop. But if you are talking about investing in a gaming console which would you rather put your money?

Nintendo is catching up (3, Insightful)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280500)

The Wii's game catalogue will look a whole lot better now that both the 360 and PS3 have their very own shovelware minigame motion system platform to lower the overall quality of their software releases.

It isn't just innovation but value for money too (1)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280592)

It isn't just innovation but value for money too

Here in the UK the Wii is poor value for money.

There is a small selection of games (compared to PS3 & xbox 360) and generally poorer quality than other console versions. Also it appears less Wii games make it to budget then other consoles too.

We own a Wii and only my son plays it now because the only decent games for it are the LEGO series.

Expensive controllers too:
PS3 motion controller = £30
Wii motionplus & wiimote = £50

I've gone back to playing games on my PC - we are planning to sell our Wii and buy a different console which will give us more choice and a wider range of games.

Nintendo (5, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280608)

Nintendo has been in business for a lot longer than almost any company you can name (1889!) and have seen off some enormous rivals several times (Sega, Atari, etc.).

Nintendo make profit on almost everything they release.

Nintendo make big releases every now and again, stringing them on with life support in the form of games that turn out to become famous in their own right.

When Nintendo do plop down a new console it's invariably innovative and top-of-its-game (not necessarily the best hardware, but definitely better in gaming terms).

Nintendo is an inventor. They toil away in their little sheds for years in complete secrecy until one day they walk out, plop something into a business person's hands and blow everyone away. Then while the market are still reeling from that, they just wander quietly back into their shed and aren't seen for another few years when they rinse and repeat.

Precisely BECAUSE they aren't saying "Oh, no, our competitors have something new, we have to copy it in our own way and get back into the game" is why they are able to do what they do. They don't really care about Kinect, or anything else - they have money enough to last a decade, and that gives them a decade to make something even more spectacular without having to worry about the day-to-day running of the businesses. Wiis are still being sold but they have enough to go back into their shed and devote the next few years to R&D and playtesting which the other rivals *cannot*. They will have their own ideas, which might work (Wii) or might flop (VirtualBoy) but will be away from the conventional elements of the time that are competing in the market. And when they deliver their next invention, people will give them millions and, because of using their brains and not just throwing expensive hardware at a problem, they will invariably make profit on every unit sold.

It's also true that they decide what they want in the next, say, Mario game. They decide what they want to be able to do. Then they build a console around that, not the other way around.

You can try to make Nintendo look foolish and show how "you know better" if you want, but invariably you will end up with egg on your face. Nintendo know their market better than anyone - they almost single-handedly invented it. Leave them be. The "Wii 2" (which it will almost certainly NEVER be named) will be to the Wii what the Wii was to the Gamecube, or the Gamecube to the N64, or the N64 to the SNES, or the SNES to the NES, or the equivalent trail in the handheld markets. It will take years to arrive - you'll have just about forgotten about your Wii and Nintendo will be absent from the market for a year or so - and then it'll blow your socks off. After a few months people will complain that it doesn't do X or Y or that it's "outdated" or "underpowered" while Nintendo will have another decade's research money under their belt and be working on the next one.

Nintendo know what they are doing. Sod Wii 2. I want whatever the next stage is - which will be more advanced gameplay-wise than anything on the market in the next few years.

Re:Nintendo (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281180)

It's really hard to make out what you're saying with Nintendo's cock lodged so deep in your throat.

Re:Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281658)

gamecube was a flop, a misserable horrid flop, they had to release something inovative in this last race, also for those who are unaware the next xbox is slated for end of 2011 begining of 2012 and will inveriable overheat.

Nintendo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280622)

haven't care about the Wii for a long time now. Wii's lack of game has not hurt Nintendo at all, since about everybody has a Wii even if they don't really play with it and Nintendo actually never losed money on hardware unlike MS or Sony. They are focused on NDS wich has been their lil' personal money cow for the last years, making up for any Wii's failure, that's why they are far more interested on releasing the 3DS next year than a Wii succesor.

Uh, what? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280662)

It's still the best selling console of 2010 worldwide. Last week put it between the xbox 360 and PS3 in sales. I'd love to be failing this well. Yes, we know it lacks power and the oomph of the motion controller is not that big anymore. But there's no xbox 720, PS4 or whatever announced yet either. Nintendo don't want to show their hand so early that Microsoft and Sony can copy it for their launches. Either they have to wait for another console rematch, or they have to play for a "helf-generation" console that surpasses the xbox and ps3, not just is on par with them. And I don't think Nintendo is ready to fight for the performance crown.

Re:Uh, what? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280816)

When anyone announces their next-generation console, the scramble is on. Interesting that no one seems interested yet.

Re:Uh, what? (1)

rwv (1636355) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281098)

When anyone announces their next-generation console, the scramble is on.

Historically it has been a 7-year cycle. The Wii came out in 2006. That places the Wii 2 (Electric Bugaloo) somewhere in 2013.

I still play my Wii, though I'm a casual gamer who generally avoids one-player games. Right now Kirby's Epic Yarn is getting a small bit of my attention. I'm caught between thinking it's a fun, simple game and the realization that it was designed for 8-year-olds (note: I'm 28). In any case, it's enjoyable. That's all video games need to achieve... if people have a good time playing them, then mission accomplished.

Re:Uh, what? (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281634)

I really don't care what age a game was designed for. If it's fun, it's fun. If it has a good mechanic and control scheme and lets me skip any cutscenes that piss on my mind, it's a good game. Better crap graphics than crap input. I want my framerate, but other than that, for some games the graphics on the Atari VCS are overkill.

Wii Wii? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280730)

The name produced sniggers world-wide when introduced, why buck the trend - the next version of the Wii should be the 'Wii Wii' !

Waiting for the technology to catch up. (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 3 years ago | (#34280752)

Nintendo have been making boatloads of money with the Wii while Microsoft and Sony barely break even right now. Microsoft have not recouped the expenses, they are just breaking even. Its a long time before they have a profit gain from the whole escapade.

The problem for Nintendo is that much of the interesting stuff arent ready yet like real 3D instead of those 1950s glasses we have rediscovered. Real time rendering are also not availiable yet. Sensory feedback is very hard and expensive if you go beyond buzzing and rumbling.

The best they can accomplish is a hardware upgrade and better accuracy of the controller unless they come up with something really new. I suspect they want to upgrade out of cycle with regards to both Microsoft and Sony and take them with their pants down especially if they just do a hardware upgrade. The current release forecast of 2012 makes me wonder if they have something new and exciting in store after all. Sadly i cant imagine what it could ever be, but then again i could never in my life imagine the Wii Controller or the huge marketshare of the Wii.

#1, #2 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34280982)

Surely, the successor to the Wii would be called the Poo.

not surprising (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281170)

Anyone who's been a gamer for a while should know that Nintendo has always been like this; they HATE developing new consoles. They have to be dragged kicking and screaming by their competitors. I think it's an outgrowth of their two consoles that pretty much monopolized the market for several years, the NES and the Game Boy, which were great for them; didn't have to budget R&D, just had to sit back and collect the licensing fees. In fact, I forget which console it was (this was back a few years), but I remember seeing actual Nintendo advertisements before one of their consoles coming out claiming that for this new console they had focused on gameplay, and it would be around for years, and pleading with gamers not to focus on graphics or power. It was one of the strangest ads I've ever seen.

I'm more worried about 360 and PS3 (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281206)

The five-year-rule is a long-standing tradition for console generations going back to the Atari days (even through several recessions and the console "collapse" of 1982). Both the 360 and PS3 are starting to show their age at this point (especially the 360, which doesn't even have a blu-ray drive), with no new console generation on the horizon. The 360 is now 5 years old and the PS3 is 4, and neither has even announced a new console generation. I'm tired of my console dropping further and further behind PC's, while all MS and Sony want to do is release lame Wii knockoff controllers. I'm tired of consoles that aren't powerful enough to handle MMO's, require multiple disc swaps to support the latest games, and slow to a crawl with modern high res textures.

Screw Nintendo, and screw Move and Kinect. Give me a new console generation!

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34281340)

Is anyone honestly looking forward to a "wii 2"?
Unless they plan on ditching the annoying motion controls and make and static controller (or at least make it an option), I'm not interested.
I'm more excited for the 3DS myself, keeping my fingers crossed that the layton, wright crossover gets an English translation.

Doubt it (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#34281422)

I honestly think that the Wii is just fine. Its targeted at casual gamers, whereas 360 seems to be the young gamer crowd and PS3 seems to be the more hardcore gamers. By giving the Wii time on the market they're just going to build up an immense game library. I do think Kinect may throw a wrench in nintendo's machine though. The kinect is the first peripheral I've ever seen that has made game-o-phobes interested in playing. My girlfriends mother for example, was given a wii. She got frustrated when she kept losing track of where the cursor was pointed in the main menu (relatively trivial for us tech folks, downright frustrating and off-putting for some others). So it sat there. However she's looking at getting a Kinect/360 bundle now because "I don't have to worry about figuring out how to use a stupid controller, I think I can figure out where my body is." It kind of opened my eyes a little about the potential Kinect has. I just hope it doesn't turn into another Sega-CD/32x sort of device. Anyways, tangent aside, I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere. They've survived all of their other competitors, even when they've had more powerful technology. They've got more wisdom than MS and Sony combined at running successful gaming platforms (unless you count Basic!).
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